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    Mute Chopstix
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    Oct 31st 2013, 10:51 AM

    Fairplay to Assad for doing the right thing and avoiding a serious escalation to this war.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:44 AM

    Fair play to the Americans and Russian for making him.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:46 AM

    America will still find a reason to invade Syria has loads of natural resources

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:06 PM

    its not about resources its about banking. Oil is traded on the world market in dollars. So if ireland wants to buy oil then they must use dollars to purchase it from what ever country. Two countries have wanted to change this. In 2000 Iraq want to sell oil in Euro’s. The UN said that they were allowed to do this. In 2002 Iraq was invaded by the US and UK because of WMD’s that were never found. After the invasion Iraq reverted to selling Oil in Dollars. Saddam was never tried and excuted by the US.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/10/30/iraq.un.euro.reut/

    Lybia wanted to sell oil for gold and not dollars. He introduced the GOLD DINAR. The intention was for all African countries to use the gold dinar to sell oil. So instead of Dollars they recieve gold. The US and the UK bombed Lybia and similar to Iraq Gaddafi was ‘killed’ by the US and Uk supported rebels. Lybian Oil is still sold in Dollars. Syria and Iran were supporters of the gold dinar.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/apr/21/libya-muammar-gaddafi

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:14 PM

    So it’s oil and Rothschild !

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:21 PM

    Its about the Petro Dollar. US has huge debt but because oil is traded in dollars then it keeps the currency strong.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:30 PM

    Well said diarmuid …..

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:35 PM

    Nice one Diarmuid. That’s interesting stuff. Never saw that angle to it.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:50 PM

    Ah no Diarmuid, no, it was about bringing freedom and democracy, Bush and Blair, two upstanding members of the human species just couldn’t sleep knowing that Gaddafi and Saddam were being big meanies. Come on now ;-)

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    Oct 31st 2013, 2:07 PM

    Diarmuid, it’s Libya not lybia!

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    Oct 31st 2013, 2:25 PM

    Declan
    That’s the only mistake he made in that post if he was wrong on anything else I’m certain and sure you would of pointed it out …… Glad you agree !!

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    Oct 31st 2013, 2:27 PM

    My apologies!

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    Oct 31st 2013, 3:37 PM

    Very good and balanced comments. You forgot one point though . Not only were Syria and Iran trying to distance themselves from the petro dollar similar to Iraq and Libya , they were also planning a gas pipeline from Iran through southern Iraq to the mediteranean sea. I enclose a short film from Noam Chomsky , for me a true American hero and patriot who has a great insight into what is happening to the USA today.
    http://www.zcommunications.org/noam-chomsky-us-a-top-terrorist-state-by-noam-chomsky
    Also I know what you mean by Vietnam, I lived and worked there, and was totally shocked at how hundreds of thousands of people are still suffering today from the effects of agent orange. Also a short documentary from Martin Sheen. Vietnam hollucast.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWcxmZxeUZU

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:48 AM

    I don’t think UK, US or Irish media are telling all the facts on the war in Syria. Assad is made out to be a criminal and dictator. From looking at other media sources he has not committed the war crimes the west say he had. For the most part the militants in Syria are not Syrian, they are from Saudi Arabia. Also the theory that its a war of religion Sunni vs Shia. Assad is a Shia Arab (Alawite) His wife is a Sunni Arab. From Wikipedia “In Syria Sunni Arabs account for 59–60% of the population, most Kurds (9%) and Turkomen (3%)are Sunni, while 13% are Shia (Alawite, Twelvers, and Ismailis combined), 10% Christian”. There are many inter marriages so why would they figfight against each other.

    http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-refugees-sunni-shia-marriage-908/

    This article is very good and researched and full of facts. these people fled to Lebanon because of the rebels, who are armed with foreign weapons (Israel and US). Lebanon has looked after these people very well and they want to return to Syria. Lebanon population is 35% christian and 65% muslim. Most people think that all muslim countries do not have any christians. this is not the case,

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:06 PM

    I’m sorry, but if RT is your source then you might as well be quoting Fox. They are a state broadcaster which relies on the Russian government for survival and is a mouthpiece for the Putin regime. The same regime who is allied to Syria and has a vested interest in keeping Assad in power. Nothing they say can be taken as credible just like Fox.

    In reality Assad is indeed a war criminal. His army’s heavy-handed approach to putting down protests caused the civil war in the first place and the use of chemical weapons against rebel strongholds in Damascus just serves to highlight this.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:20 PM

    If RT is such a bad source of new then explain why the following stories are not being broadcast in the US or the UK. I’ve included links to the United Nations to back up the Cuba story and Palestinian story. I’ve also used reuters to back up the poland story and Euronews to back the US “stop watching us” story. From what i see RT news is telling alot of truth. None of these stories appear on the BBC website. The guardian have reported stories in the past but the UK goverment have wanted to “censor” the paper because they are a threat to national security.

    Poland asks European court to hide CIA secret torture prison case from public
    http://rt.com/news/poland-cia-prison-european-court-991/
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/10/30/uk-poland-cia-prisons-idUKBRE99T17820131030

    UN, Palestinians criticize Israel’s new housing announcement
    http://rt.com/news/un-palestinians-israeli-settlement-992/
    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=46378&Cr=palestin&Cr1=

    ‘Stop watching us!’ Americans rally against surveillance state
    http://rt.com/in-vision/stop-watching-us-washington/
    http://www.euronews.com/2013/10/27/stop-watching-us-anti-mass-surveillance-rally-in-washington/

    http://rt.com/news/un-vote-cuba-embargo-940/
    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=46371&Cr=general+assembly&Cr1=
    Record number of nations oppose US embargo of Cuba in UN vote

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:26 PM

    My previous detailed reply post was deleted (censored) please look at RT stories and then look at official sites. 188 UN countries have opposed US sanctions on Cuba for the last 57 years. two countries supported it. Its headlines on the UN website. Also look up the story on Poland and the CIA.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:33 PM

    Sorry my post is up there now.

    Jason, just reading your post again you say “In reality Assad is indeed a war criminal. His army’s heavy-handed approach to putting down protests caused the civil war in the first place and the use of chemical weapons against rebel strongholds in Damascus just serves to highlight this.” Where is your proof on the cemical weapons. The UN report which is available on the UN site doesn’t lay the blame on Assad or the rebels. It merely confirms the chemical weapons have been used. Which is why the us said “Assad PROBABLY used chemical wweapons” there is no proof. Also the 1500 deaths number the US used is false. Its more like 300. There is no proof to say the rebels did it or Assad did it.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 1:10 PM

    @Diarmuid
    Presumably by “other media outlets” you’re referring to SANA and/or RT as your original source of information about Syria. The problem is that both are state propaganda outlets. Are you aware that Syria ranked 176th out of 179 in the most recent press freedom index? http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html

    Whilst you’re at it you could also read the Human Rights Watch Syria report which details war crimes perpetrated by all sides in this conflict – Assad is indeed a war criminal http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/syria

    Unfortunately all sides in a war engage in extensive propaganda – just because you hear something that differs to the western narrative doesn’t necessarily mean it is correct. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

    There may well be an initial element of truth in much of what you hear from the likes of RT but be left in no doubt that it has undergone extensive embellishment prior to being sanctioned for release by the Russian government.

    Re: Damascus gas attacks, the UN were precluded from apportioning blame thanks to a Russian veto (why would they do that again if the thought the rebels were to blame?) but if you read the UN report in full the available evidence convincingly points towards Assad, as any reasonable person would have to conclude.

    “For the most part the militants in Syria are not Syrian, they are from Saudi Arabia”. Where is your evidence to back up this claim? Most neutral observers to this conflict have estimated that foreign fighters make up at most 20-25% of those fighting against Assad.

    Having said all that, the destruction of chemical weapons is indeed a step forward albeit one that was forced. Let’s hope that some form of peace will come to this land soon and the ordinary Syrian people will be given the opportunity to determine their own future in free and open elections – the first since the early 1970′s.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 1:35 PM

    Mattoid
    CNN BBC RTE
    Are all propaganda mouthpieces

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    Oct 31st 2013, 1:56 PM

    That’s quite a good post. I agree with you that the truth lies somewhere in between. I am always looking for facts.

    I don’t believe the western propaganda. If Europe are the US are to believe what is said in the media then we should destroy all Muslims in the middle east because they are all bad. This is not the case and I don’t for a second believe what the BBC, CNN, FOX are all saying. The also said that Saddam had WMD’s which was lies. We also told of the militants in Afghanistan who were bad. Then the Libyan government is bad and now Syrians are bad.

    Can you answer me this why are the US/NATO are attacking Al Qaeda is Pakistan and Afghanistan? Why are they supporting Al Qaeda in Syria? I though Al Qaeda is the enemy. There is more to the Syria story that we are being told and I for one don’t believe the US or NATO.

    We need the truth as to what’s going on in these places. Assad is coming under attack from militants because he came down hard on protestors. When Russia, Israel, Brazil, USA, Portugal, Spain, UK and Italy come down hard on protestors what happens. Why does NATO not come to their aid of the protestors there because of banking crisis and corrupt politicians. Should Syria support democracy so that they can end up bankrupt like the US and Europe. Governments having to make valuable state assets public so they can pay banking debt. The rich getting richer the poor getting poorer.

    Are the ‘allegations’ of Assad any worse than what the US are doing with their drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Speaking of chemical weapons why has the US walked away from the ill and dying people in Vietnam because of their use of agent orange. It’s a story never reported in the US and UK.

    Why does the US and NATO not threaten South Africa or Zimbabwe for genocide and corruption. Why did it not help the people of Cambodia rather than support its dictator. There is more to this story than Assad being a war criminal.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 2:06 PM

    Apologies i forgot to add an important piece. Quoted from the Telegraph

    “Western hopes of building a moderate Syrian opposition to President Bashar al-Assad have been set back after the Islamist militias that dominate the rebel movement said they were “going it alone” and intended to establish a sharia state.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10335138/Syrian-opposition-splits-after-Islamists-push-for-sharia-state.html

    I thought the US and the UK were against countires using Sharia Law. There are more questions than answers inrelationt to the US/NATO and Syria.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 4:26 PM

    @Chopstix
    You’re right to a point in that they all have an editorial slant, but all still retain editorial independence from government, and that is the big difference.

    For all its faults (and there are many) we are lucky enough to have a reasonably free press in the western world. Look at the rankings in the Press Freedom Index of 179 countries I referred to above – Ireland 15th, UK 29th, US 32nd, compared to Russia 148th, Iran 174th and Syria 176th. That speaks volumes and should tell you all you need to know.

    When was the last time you heard RT openly criticising the Putin Government? Answer – never.
    When was the last time you heard SANA openly criticising Assad? Answer – never.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 4:44 PM

    @Diarmuid
    Yours is also quite a good post and raises some pertinent questions about which human rights violations the west is prepared to overlook and which it is prepared to intervene in (although I can’t see how you can possibly equate the treatment of protesters in most of the countries you listed with the murderous treatment meted out to them in Syria). I agree the ‘west’ for want of a better word generally (but not always) only intervenes when its own interests are potentially at stake, but in the real world that’s not really overly surprising either although it does smack of hypocrisy.

    I’m not sure which western media outlets you’ve been watching or listening to, but I’ve yet to hear one claiming that all Muslims are bad – far from it. I also don’t believe they knowingly published untruths about WMD in Iraq – they only published the line they were being fed by government at the time and were very quick to question it when the situation unravelled and it was becoming less likely.

    Neither do I think you’ll find many western governments promoting a fundamentalist Islamic state in Syria which imposes Sharia law on the people. Most are simply pushing for democratic elections, wherever that takes the Syrian people – don’t you think they deserve that?

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:05 AM

    Now the USA will launch an attack they have disarmed Syria of its most deadly weapon they only attacked Iraq after the UN clearly told them Iraq had no WMD …..watch this space .

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:23 AM

    Chemical weapons aren’t that deadly to an army that is expecting their use. All western soldiers have NBC training and equipment to combat chemical weapons can be quickly distributed if needed. It is the fact that they indiscriminately kill and are impossible to control once deployed that is the problem.

    Besides, any intervention in Syria would likely be a repeat of Libya where only air and naval forces are involved. Against that chemical weapons are about as useful as bows and arrows.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:57 PM

    As I said Jason watch this space

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:09 AM

    On rule for the rich, one for the poor;
    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/11/us/u-s-chemical-weapons/

    Capitalist Democracy Works!

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:16 AM

    Not one bit surprised, one rule for the Americans and the west and another for everyone else!

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:20 AM

    Pat, how exactly is Russia included in “the west”? They are in no way aligned with the US and, as that article states, have 5 times the amount of chemical weapons in storage that the US has.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:28 AM

    Let’s not forget Jason it was the Russians who spearheaded the destruction of syria’s chemical weapons but I note you don’t mention chemical weapons held by the US or Isreal

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:36 AM

    Chopstix, it wasn’t as if the Russians did it out of the kindness of their hearts. The only reason they did it was to keep their only Middle-Eastern ally left in power.

    As for the US, they are in the process of dismantling them. However if your main rival in the world has 5 times your stockpile and is dragging their feet then wouldn’t you be a bit hesitant to fully destroy yours?

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:51 AM

    Chop, educate yourself on where the USA and Russia are in dismantling their chemical weapons stockpile.
    They have been both doing it for years.
    It’s been a long slow process.
    Btw, Assad didn’t do it out of the kindness of his heart.
    You are seriously naive about all this.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:57 AM

    Declan
    Anybody who has read you’re posts regarding Syria is very well aware of the fact you are extremely disappointed there wasn’t an escalation in this war
    Shame on You

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    Oct 31st 2013, 1:09 PM

    Chop, that is not true.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 1:10 PM

    George, I never denied that the US has chemical weapons.
    You need to educate yourself as well.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 1:16 PM

    Chop, have you not noticed that the Americans have been a part of the effort to get both sides to sit down and talk to bring a end to this conflict?
    Are you that ignorant?
    Shame on you!!

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    Oct 31st 2013, 2:09 PM

    Chop, in years to come just remember that you supported Assad.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 2:39 PM

    Declan are you for real, If the US had their way they’d already be in Syria bombing the hell out of the people. for the cause of democracy!!! Russia stood in their way and told them they weren’t allowed to get involved in Syria. Syria is a sovereign state and the US not allowed to interfere.

    500,000 people have died in Iraq since the US got involved there. If the US had to of left them alone and not invaded none of this would of happened. How many WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION did they find? You seem to want the same to happen to Syria. 100,000 have died, the US are currently arming the rebels prolonging the war.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 2:48 PM

    Declan
    Anyone who read my posts would know that I never supported Assad I supported a peaceful end to the conflict & a proper inspection and investagation into the chemical attack and I also stated if Assad was found guilty he should be dealt with accordingly

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    Oct 31st 2013, 2:51 PM

    Diarmuid
    Declan is well aware that the rebels are a proxy army supported by the west he chooses to argue the opposite because he wants war & mayhem either that or he is a troll or both

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:43 AM

    Fully expecting some traditional Journal.ie madness in this comment section. We’ve already got one “fair play to Assad”.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 12:39 PM

    They are now toothless in the eyes of the UN. Invasion is now only around the corner. Watch this space.

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    Oct 31st 2013, 11:14 AM

    Have they though ! ?

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