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THE PROTECTION OF Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013 has passed the final Dáil vote.
The bill was voted on by TDs following a day of intense debate on the 165 amendments tabled on the bill. It passed a final Dáil vote this evening by 127 votes to 31 and received both cross-party support and cross-party opposition.
The landmark legislation will permit abortion in Ireland in limited circumstances. Only one party was allowed a free vote on the bill, Fianna Fáil, while other parties voted in support of the bill.
The TDs within those parties under the whip system who voted against bill will find themselves expelled from the parliamentary party this evening.
During the first Dáil vote on the bill before it went to committee stage, four Fine Gael TDs and one Sinn Féin TD voted against it, and were expelled from their respective parliamentary parties.
Tonight, all eyes were on Fine Gael Junior Minister Lucinda Creighton, to see whether she would vote against her party’s whip and find herself expelled from the party.
As it happened she voted against the Government well before the final overall vote. This happened during a vote on amendment 56 – immediately losing Creighton her place in the Fine Gael parliamentary party, and ultimately will take her job as Minister of State for European Affairs. She said later that she was “deeply disappointed” to have to vote against her party but that she felt aspects of the bill were based on “flawed logic”. She also voted against the Bill in the final vote.
Now that the bill has been approved by the Dáil, it will go to the Seanad for debate, beginning tomorrow.
Additional reporting by Susan Daly and Michelle Hennessy
Good. More competition, more choice = better savings for those who have a mortgage and those who are seeking one
@Nowa Huta: How about they open up the mortgage market so we can get mortgages from other EU countries (which offer rates around the 0.5% mark). Single market my a$$
@Brian Henoll:
What is stopping banks from other EU countries coming here?
There’s absolutely no reason why the post office should.go into high street banking while the high street owes us 60 billion. The credit union in my town tried to move into mainstreet banking (they literally moved to main street at the hight of the crises) and got caught for hundreds of thousands in loans while they were pretending to be bankers. The upshot is that you can’t get a small loan from them anymore. I repeat myself. The actual main street bankers owe us 60 billion. We need it back.
@Louis Jacob:
Many of those high street banks are struggling to stay afloat in an increasingly competitive environment, with their bloated cost base, and some with massive exposure still in UK market and uncertainties of Brexit, plus other disruptive challenges coming down the track, for example Cryptocurrency innovation.
Our State still owns large chunks of equity in some HSBs which they’re hoping to sell off ASAP and recover some of that €60 bn you refer to.
Expanding services offered by fine state-owned network of Post Offices, particularly mortgages, might offer only chance of recovery of some more over long-term.
@Rory J Leonard: My local post office is stocked with O Driscolls and Mccarthys. Very few degrees there, maybe a few arts degrees. They should not be allowed near finances. Yera if you’re into that kind of thing you might be alright. Maybe the gardi could involed. The credit union in my town got involved in some dark forces.
@Louis Jacob: I hate to harp on but if you need a grand in my town now you go to a money lender who charges you 36%. All the while the eejits who work in the credit union walk around town in designer clothes
@Louis Jacob: the credit Union is a different kettle of fish. That was, in part, a stitch up by McCreavy and co. The banking sector did not like that CU held up so much of cash floating around in a friendly society set up. (They hate, for example,that in Quebec banks are sidelined CUs, as people their won’t use banks for day to day stuff). So they began a process of dragging them into their banking world. This included changing products on offer, including mortgages and commercial loans. Also dragging them into credit bureau rules. Anything to put a partition between CU and their local base. The upshot was CU money and the now increased CU debt became part of their rotten system.
@Greg Blake: So (and I’m really not being adversarial) what is the good in dragging the PO away from their base? People depend on them for a certain service. Aso sure as shot power corrupts.
@Louis Jacob: power certainly corrupts, as we have seen in the banks
@Louis Jacob: watch the price of a stamp jump to 1.50 to shore up losses when bust hits
@Louis Jacob: watch the price of a stamp jump to 1.50 to shore up losses when bust hitsr
@Quentin Moriarty: 1.50…not quite in the same league as the bank bail out.
Can’t say I’ve any more faith in An Post management than I do in any other semi State.
Irish borrowers won’t enjoy Continental interest rates until they have Continental style “Lose your house if you don’t pay your mortgage rules”
@Goban Saor: their screwing their staff pension rights their a filthy company a complete sham I’d have nothing to do with them sher their phone network is another complete scam if your unfortunate enough to sign up for that with hidden charges.
Also I can send a parcel anywhere in Ireland with the local postal store up to a huge 30 kilos I think it is for €12 Euros and the post office would be about triple that probably even more.
The postal store I’m on about actually have the tender for delivering the An Post mail through Ireland. It just goes to show how scammy they are the top boys must be milking it good ohh. How can the Postal Store make a profit on a 12 Euro parcel anywhere in Ireland and in An Post it would be triple the price or more work than one out?
I’m gonna be honest here. My life has been destroyed ( and I mean destroyed) by creditors. It’s the the reason I can’t sleep. Remind me. What would be the benefit in this?
@Louis Jacob: Everybody is a slave when you owe money. The only thing you should borrow for is a home and no more than 15 year mortgage.
Save for things you need. Don’t buy new cars unless you have it in cash or are genuinely loaded.
Most people who have debt are in denial that they are broke. If you owe money folks you are broke.
@Louis Jacob: don’t know what benefits are in it for you Louis, or for me, I won’t be signing into any mortgages in future. But, I think more choice can only help young couples going that way. Also if it helps to keep an post alive, that’s a good thing, with all this faceless banking taking hold.
@Greg Blake: The post office is good as it is. Every time these guys try to move up they leave a vacute behind.
@Louis Jacob: The post office is good as it is. Every time these guys try to move up they leave a vacume behind.
@Niallers: you’re absolutely right, doesn’t matter what you earn, just spend less that what you earn and save some and you won’t have money worries. Most of the stuff people borrow for is stuff they should save up for instead – cars, furniture, tv’s, holidays, Christmas, we need to cop on and keep on to our hard-earned money instead of trying to keep up with the Jones.
This reads as a very naive article. So An Post is seeking a partner with whom it will enter the mortgage market and sets out its requirements of such a partner…. yet, what does An Post bring to the partnership:
1)Mortgage lending experience – Nil
2)Suitably experienced staff – unlikely
3)Suitable Business Premises – No
4)Funding capability – weak. If you had a billion would you lend it to a start up mortgage lender with no experience?!
So An Post itself is anything but an attractive mortgage lending partner.
I would point out that there are several mortgage operators open for business. It’s not easy to get a mortgage, nor should it be. Central Bank rules also constrain lenders. Based on our boom bust experienced heightened regulation is for the better.
An Post? No thank you!
@Niall: Correct. It would be a friends only service
@Louis Jacob: One article in the Journal and you both have the business model sorted?
@Niall: You must work for a bank and are afraid of the completion, maybe they might actually offer proper interest rates and you will lose customers hand over fist lol.
A sure way to know a recession is coming is when everyone wants a slice of the ponzi scheme.
You will witness the collapse of An Post who are now drunk on their profits and success .
Crazy idea
@Quentin Moriarty: Amen. You can use the credit union as proof.
@Louis Jacob: Or the banks as we have seen.
They see opportunity to make money because we are at our peak again. It’ll be hard for them to get a steady foot on a sinking ship.
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