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Religious education in schools: Two sets of rights in conflict

‘You can discriminate, including favouring one group in particular circumstances, if it is to enable the practice of that religion.”

AS 96% OF Irish primary schools are religious-run, enrolment policies are coming under more and more scrutiny each September. In this three-day special series, TheJournal.ie explores the role religion plays in our classrooms and what’s being done in the sector.

Across the globe, parents begin to worry about the schooling of their children from the moment they are born (and sometimes even before that).

For some mothers and fathers in Ireland, decisions around their children’s education are further complicated by the links between school and religion, the country’s equality and discrimination laws and the Constitution.

As it stands Ireland’s constitutional provisions around admission policies in schools contradict each other.

The Constitution says that a child has the right to attend a State-funded school even if they are opting out of religious instruction. Article 44.2.4 reads:

Legislation providing State aid for schools shall not discriminate between schools under the management of different religious denominations, nor be such as to affect prejudicially the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school.

However, while discrimination in schools is generally prohibited – there is one exemption for denominational schools in the 2000 Equal Status Act.

Section 7.3 (c) states that a school does not discriminate where it admits one child in preference to another, on religious grounds.

This means that schools run under the patronage of religious organisations are entitled to exclude a child of any other religion, if a member of its own faith is looking for a place in that school.

Come September, if there are 30 places in a Catholic school up for grabs and 30 Catholic and five non-religious children are looking to enrol, the school is entitled to choose the 30 Catholic children and reject the other five. (They would not be allowed, however, to reject the five if only 25 Catholic children were looking to enrol).

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So, if a child that is not baptised applies to a school with a religious patronage – that child can be categorised based on not being baptised and will be far further down the list compared to a child that is baptised in the faith of that school.

“You can discriminate,” is the bottom line, according to David Kenny, an assistant professor in law at Trinity College Dublin.

Speaking about the complexity of the issue to TheJournal.ie, he explained that religious institutions have certain entitlements to manage their own affairs however they like.

“At the same time there are also constitutional provisions that relatively clearly say you shouldn’t discriminate against people on religious grounds,” he said.

Even though you shouldn’t discriminate against people on religious grounds –  you can discriminate, including favouring one group in particular circumstances, if it is to enable the practice of that religion.

“Essentially if a discrimination is really necessary, to ensure a particular practise, then it’s allowed and so that sort of balance has resulted in the current situation which is allowing essentially a very broad discrimination on the basis of ethos.”

Bruton’s new bill 

Last month, Education Minister Richard Bruton launched his Admission to Schools Bill, claiming it will ban waiting lists, admission fees and explicit discrimination.

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While certain types of discrimination are addressed among the new measures, the question of categorisation by religion will not be tackled by the Bill.

EQUATE is a children and family rights organisation which works for greater equality in schools. Discussing the proposed legislation, director Michael Barron said:

It is silent on the critical issue of religious discrimination in the admissions policies of most State-funded schools. The so-called ‘baptism barrier’, which allows the vast majority of Irish national schools to discriminate against children based on their religion, is not addressed in this bill.

However, the legislation will require all schools to publish their admissions policies which are to include details of the provisions for pupils who decline to participate in religious instruction.

Kenny said the new Act does not deem the current admission policies as discrimination:

It does not change the Equal Status Act 2000, so the ‘baptism barrier’ will remain intact and schools can continue to discriminate on religious ethos grounds.

April Duff of Education Equality Ireland added, “It doesn’t address religious discrimination in schools.

It makes there be transparency in admissions, but transparent or hidden discrimination isn’t any better.

“The Bill effectively skirts around the edges, in that it would seem it fails to address the most pressing problem in school admissions: discrimination on the grounds of religion in accessing places.”

Direction of the United Nations

Tackling the high rates of religious run schools and the problems of enrolment this creates for non-religious parents has been on the government’s to-do list for quite a while.

Back in 2012 previous Education Minister Ruairi Quinn announced a divestment plan, which requested Catholic institutions (which run 90% of primary schools) to assist in changing patronage and creating greater choice.

The first phase hoped to change the patronage of around 50 schools. However, so far only eights schools have actually been created as part of the divestment process.

This has been met with widespread criticism with director of EQUATE, Michael Barron describing how, “The pace of change in the area of school admissions has been frustratingly slow.”

The UN Human Rights Committee expressed its concerned about Ireland’s slow progress in establishing non-denominational schools, a report on the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights stated:

The committee is concerned… about the slow progress in increasing access to secular education through the establishment of non-denominational schools, divestment of the patronage of schools and the phasing out of integrated religious curricula in schools accommodating minority faith or non-faith children.

However, Kenny explained that the UN is making this assessment based on international human rights standards but that in terms of a domestic situation it doesn’t have a direct bearing in legal terms.

“You can’t rely on those international instruments in a direct way. Though it’s a very important statement –  it’s mostly of political rather than legal use.

If our State can’t come up with any good solutions then we will continue to be in breach of our obligations.

Two sets of conflicting rights 

Kenny also explained that, constitutionally, there are two sets of rights in conflict regarding religion education in schools and that “not everyone’s rights can win”.

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“You have the rights of parents who wish to get their children into primary schools being discriminated against because they aren’t the right religious status. And there are the education institutions and the parents – who are being served by them and getting preferential admission – whose rights are also at play.

If that’s the situation and you have multiple sets of conflicting rights that are in a zero sum clash, then the State and the Oireachtas legislating in that area has very wide discretion to balance those rights.

He added that there would only be a constitutional problem with the legislation if the balance struck was very unreasonable to one party and put “an overwhelming burden on one set of rights”.

Essentially it’s a higher standard than you would normally face if you were trying to challenge a piece of legislation because of the conflicting rights at play.

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Chairperson of Atheist Ireland, Michael Nugent told TheJournal.ie, ”The State will have to recognise its obligations under human rights law and stop discriminating against its own citizens. You can’t have half measures in this, ultimately the laws are going to have to catch up with reality.

The people are no longer in the control of the Catholic Church the way they used to be but the laws are still in place from when the Catholic Church did have control over the people so the State and the laws and the constitution have to catch up with the people and put in place laws that respect everyone’s rights equally.

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Is this constitutionally acceptable?

Ultimately, while Bruton’s Bill has been widely welcomed – it seems it doesn’t do anything to clarify the contradiction that surrounds the religious discrimination in our schools’ admissions policies.

EQUATE has published legal advice stating that there are no constitutional issues in amending Section 7.3 (c) of the Equal Status Act.

However Kenny stated, “If push came to shove and someone challenged it – the likelihood is the courts would say it’s constitutional to have this discrimination.” 

While he warned that “it’s very difficult to say any of these things with certainty”, Kenny concluded that “the current situation probably does pass the test for constitutionality”.

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Read: ‘Like most of my friends, I baptised my children so they could go to school’: The anger of Ireland’s non-religious parents>

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    Mar 5th 2015, 3:22 PM

    Yahoo opened a new office next to the Gibson hotel in the docklands. Dublin seems to be booming again. Good news for the country.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 5:05 PM

    They were actually already in the east point business park, just move across the road really. Verizon are opening a new global procurement centre in East Point, looking to hire 180 people.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 7:48 PM

    Why is this building so low rise? have DCC learned nothing?

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    Mar 5th 2015, 8:16 PM

    I read they’re keeping the office at East Point. The new office block at the Point is to house these 200 new jobs. The company is relocating most of its business to Dublin from London.

    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/item/31957-yahoo-to-create-more-than

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:43 PM

    The first comment no this article was as expected, a negative sniping one, typical of the ‘knocking’ culture in Ireland.

    This one always comes to mind. “The Irish don’t know what they want and are prepared to fight to the death to get it.”

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:56 PM

    I like knockers.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:57 PM

    Me too. But only nice knockers ;)

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:55 PM

    Only a Shinner type dimwit is unhappy with good news. They are a depressing lot.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 11:59 PM

    I’m a Sinn Fein supporter and I welcome this. As we’ve seen recently Sinn Fein are the best of all parties at persuading Americans to part with their money. Is that what we need in Ireland Inc?

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:49 PM

    There was another article about large companies not coming to Dublin due to lack of office space. With Microsoft vacating 3 buildings this could alleviate some of that problem, admittedly the sites are not city centre but do have good connections into town.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 3:01 PM

    They are likely already let out. Not much high quality space like that available.

    What needs to happen is for the offices Cherrywood to get built quicker. It’s 5 minutes further down the M50, directly onto the N11 into town, has two luas stops and it’s not far from nice housing like Foxrock or Dalkey.

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    Mute Scottie Delaney
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    Mar 5th 2015, 7:47 PM

    That site has been bought so hopefully some move towards the end of the year…..also plans for up to three thousand (hopefully reasonably priced) houses!

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    Mar 6th 2015, 2:30 AM

    Hope on scottie! Reasonably priced houses in Ireland? Lol! There is a ton more room for development in Sandyford and Stillorgan business parks, the buildings Microsoft are leaving are large high quality ones, they’ll be let in no time. There is plenty of room left for apartment development in Sandyford too. It really was a great facility they built around the beacon. Lived there for 18 months. Every shop you need on your doorstep, excellent transport, decent quality construction, energy efficient apartments. Pity there wasn’t more built like it at the time. A very sustainable development. There’s shop for that area still though. As with cherry wood. The luas makes all the difference to these places. Great news from Microsoft. Great for the country, a vote of confidence to invest so much.

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    Mar 6th 2015, 6:39 PM

    We can but hope! I work in the area and agree…sandyford has most of what u need but it always feels like a ghost town after office hours up there….a sort of concrete jungle with no atmosphere. Site opposite the south quarter has recently been bought, down from microsofts current place…so plenty of potential for res units there!

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    Mar 5th 2015, 4:40 PM

    Well done Microsoft, IDA and Ireland. A great vote of confidence in the competence of the Irish.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 6:57 PM

    Always good to see job creation. But will multinationals bring decent paying jobs? Will these jobs stop brain drain of Irish graduates?

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:52 PM

    I have enjoyed how the name of Sandyford industrial estate has changed to become more fashionable over the years.
    Is it a innovation park now?

    Decent place for a business though, a proper cluster of companies in the area, excellent transport links, decent public transport and lots of nice houses nearby. Bit dull as a place to live but that’s about the worst of it.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:59 PM

    I wonder how many new jobs and opportunities Enda has to announce and get his picture in until people start thinking that he’s actually doing a very good job?

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:50 PM

    This was announced already, last year.

    If anyone works in the area, things are going to get interesting with this & the redevelopment of the roundabout junction at Leopardstown road/Brewery Road!

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:53 PM

    I thought it was handled well with the Luas bridge. The traffic isn’t as bad as it used to be.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 3:00 PM

    Is it done?
    (I haven’t worked there for a few months)

    The roundabout will be removed and replaced by a box junction.

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    Mar 6th 2015, 2:37 AM

    Not before time Business Cat. They did add a little side road near Bewley, down the back of woodies that brings you to the business Park when coming from the m50 roundabout, that cuts out the need to go down to the leopardstown RA, but last time I was using it frequently people didn’t seem to know about it and we’re using the RA still. It takes a good few mins out of it at peak times tbh.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:55 PM

    Great, more people paying taxes, to fund my welfare benefits!

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:36 PM

    Cool. Seventy five construction jobs per annum for two years. Any chance of a national holiday?

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:47 PM

    Sheik,
    By there very nature construction jobs tend not to be forever, once the building is finished so are the jobs.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:47 PM

    There’s one of those the week after next.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:52 PM

    Sheik has a valid point. This isn’t going to create long term employment in the IT sector.

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    Mute Business Cat
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    Mar 5th 2015, 3:01 PM

    Best not bother then.

    Sorry Microsoft, build your office somewhere else!

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    Mar 5th 2015, 7:24 PM

    Isn’t it better than nothing?

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    Mar 5th 2015, 9:24 PM

    @Sheik Yahbouti,
    Most of those construction jobs will be done by Eastern Europeans, working for a pittance.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 10:03 PM

    This building is horrible. They have cut down lots of the trees that boarder the Leopardstown race course grounds making a nice park-like area thar bit more concrete

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    Mar 6th 2015, 12:39 AM

    Christ… Is there anything yee wont p!ss & moan about!

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    Mute Steve Tracey
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    Mar 6th 2015, 9:18 AM

    Sinead,
    “This building is horrible”
    Ht building they haven’t even dug the foundations yet.

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    Mute Stephen Earle
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    Mar 5th 2015, 5:59 PM

    Well it will have windows i guess ?

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    Mar 5th 2015, 9:32 PM

    That was so bad it was good…

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    Mute Richie Kennedy
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    Mar 5th 2015, 4:26 PM

    This was made public over 6 months ago.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/microsoft-go-ahead-dun-laoghaire-campus-1606576-Aug2014/

    Anyway it’s very good news to see them making a commitment like this!

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    Mute Glen
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    Mar 5th 2015, 2:47 PM

    It’s only going to create temporary employment in the building trade.

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    Mute Larry K
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    Mar 5th 2015, 3:08 PM

    Yes how true, and it is a solid investment in the permanent Jobs already in place.
    So temporary jobs now.
    Job security for those currently at Microsoft.
    And a good signal to other companies that Ireland is a place they choose to invest in.

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    Mute Glen
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    Mar 5th 2015, 3:39 PM

    There jobs were never at risk.
    Microsoft has been here already for years.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 4:59 PM

    Dell was here for years. Also, is there such a thing as a permanent construction job?

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    Mar 5th 2015, 7:51 PM

    Every job in construction is temporary. You can’t build something forever.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 9:04 PM

    Dont tell “Bob” that

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    Mar 5th 2015, 4:13 PM

    Great news. The only pity is to see all these IT companies out on greenfield sites when it would be much better to have them all close together in high rise office buildings.

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    Mar 5th 2015, 3:46 PM

    Every job announcement the FG fan boys start to congratulate themselves,why do you have to type it when you can just reach across the desk and lick each other’s balls .

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    Mar 5th 2015, 7:49 PM

    Epdc-5 was supposed to be the consolidated building for the atrium 12 years. Things quickly grew beyond that plan keeping the atrium in use. Also Google did not coin the work hard play hard tech attitude. Plenty of companies did that here long before Google even existed.

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