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AFGHANISTAN IS CONSIDERING bringing back stoning for adultery according to Human Rights Watch and the justice ministry, possibly restoring a punishment in force during the Taliban’s brutal regime.
The penalty for married adulterers, along with flogging for unmarried offenders, appears in a draft revision of the country’s penal code being considered by the ministry of justice.
Ashraf Azimi, the head of ministry’s criminal law department, confirmed to AFP that stoning to death is included in the draft.
The draft provisions state that the “implementation of stoning shall take place in public in a predetermined location”.
If the “adulterer or adulteress is unmarried”, the sentence shall be “whipping 100 lashes”.
“It is absolutely shocking that 12 years after the fall of the Taliban government, the Karzai administration might bring back stoning as a punishment,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch.
“President (Hamid) Karzai needs to demonstrate at least a basic commitment to human rights and reject this proposal out of hand.”
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Afghan President Hamid Karzai speaks yesterday during the last day of the national consultative council. Pic: AP Photo/Rahmat Gul.
In Afghanistan, an extremely conservative Muslim country, extramarital sex and sex before marriage are taboo and can lead to bloody conflicts between families.
HRW pointed out that $16 billion in aid promised to Afghanistan last year was tied to progress on human rights issues.
“Donors need to make clear that international support to Afghanistan’s government is not a blank cheque,” Adams said.
Azimi told AFP the new law was less than halfway finished.
“The ministry of justice along with other Afghan judicial organs are working on a law to punish those who commit adultery, robbery and alcohol-drinking according to Islamic sharia law,” he said.
In July last year, a 21-year-old woman was stoned to death in a militant-controlled village just 60 kilometres north of Kabul, sparking international condemnation.
F.Y.I The americans supported the mujahideen during that period. the taliban only came into being post soviet departure. mujahideen warlords controlled major sections of the primary highways ripping off truck drivers and their cargo. Mullah Omar was a religious student, I.e. a Taliban. He grouped together with other students (Taliban) and over thrown the local warlord to free up local highways. Eventually the province and then the country. There beinginings were righteous.
you started well damien but then you just went mental with this highway craic !!!! and i what way was their beginings righteous ??? they started as they finished !!!!
Under Sharia a woman who claims to have been raped needs to have 4 men to act as witnesses.
“A 15-year-old girl who faced 100 lashes in the Maldives after she was raped by her step-father has had the sentence overturned following an international campaign.”
Daisy I take every media report about any Middle East country with a pinch if salt a lot of it is a American propaganda or by news papers or tv channels which are under Jewish control.
they’re already dragging their asses into the 21st century, they’re coming to our shores, then again we have stepped backed in time over the past 5-6 years, they’ve came at the right time. Collapse
I’ve seen it online too, and it is so cruel. Al qaeda engage in the practice, as they also carry out brutal public executions. Very disturbing viewing.
I spent a lot of time in Jeddah during the early 60′s and the hand and head removals used to take place after Friday prayers but we Kuffars were not allowed anywhere near. They had plenty of real slaves [as opposed to the attention seekers in London] and I believe that continues to this day.
Seen those videos too. Shocking stuff. People like that and their stupid religion and laws have no place in this world.
America needs to invade again and use proper weapons GUNS to kill the men. Stoning woman for adultery.
Backward cretins.
Can think of 7 Scrotes from Coolock who recently made headlines that I wouldn’t mind a little bit of stone throwing practice with… #RocksNotFreeLegalAid
Capital/corporal punishments would work out so much better in civilised countries with stricter legal systems but the catch 22 is that to progress to one of these civilised countries one must dispose of such criminal proceedings. I’d love to see them back for certain crimes!
Its amusing,
We condemn these people, but yet 82% of Irish people believe in a faith which advises that rapists must marry the women they rape.
“If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:28-29″
Oh and if the women doesn’t scream enough when being raped then men in the city she’;s in can stone her
“If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn’t cry out loud enough, then “the men of the city shall stone her to death.” 22:23-24″
How can you condemn a country for backward laws if you believe in a organization (catholic faith) who see the above words as the words of your god, if these parts of the bible are unsuitable or no longer apply then they should be removed by the church.
Carcu,
I don’t know how many people have bibles….but I bet the VAST majority of the 82% who claim to be catholic on the census have never read the book cover to cover.
Regardless, if people don’t believe in it then don’t support an organization that preach its contents as the word the god you say you believe in.
Com on, you can’t seriously claim the bible is not exactly encouraged by Rome?
- You realise what is up in every single alter in this country right?
- You realise what priests read from right?
I’ll give you a clue, its a big thick book with the old and new testament,
Andrea, I’d actually imagine most catholics aren’t actually aware of such parts of the bible. After all the priests don’t actively read them out at mass and the vast majority haven’t read the book cover to cover.,
But you can’t argue with the fact that its included in the bible, if its uncomfortable for the faithful or its backwards and outdated it should very much be removed.
Until then it remains in the book and remains part of gods words to man………..twisted, backwards sickening words that they are,.
Martin, you are actually making my point for me. I do go to Mass, I have read the Bible and you’re right, priests today don’t read those parts anymore. Why? Because they are outdated, barbaric and irrelevant in a modern society.
Your are in a minority Andrea if you regularly go to mass and read the bible as only around 20% of the 82% Catholics from the census go to mass regularly.
Given you are an exception and sorry to drag things off topic somehow , but can I ask, do you believe in you are eating jesus when you take communion? otherwise known as transubstantiation?
Andrea you’re kind of making another unintentional argument here about the catholic church’s beliefs about contraception, gay marriage etc not belonging in modern society by virtue of the fact that the catholic church doesn’t support them. Martins point above is ludicrous but lets not for a second argue that the catholic church is in any way “relevant” in a modern society. Lets not forget they’re also responsible for the greatest cover up of child abuse in the modern world.
I’m definitely not getting drawn into a religious debate here because it would be pointless. My beliefs are my own, they’re clearly not yours and that is perfectly acceptable.
spot on Ted,
Also lets not forget that one of the main reasons why laws like this can be pushed through in countrys like Afghanistan is they don’t see women as equal.
Lets not forget that the catholic church is very much guilty of this also, they certainly don’t see women as equal to men both inside and outside of their organization
Ted, I know what you are saying but the huge difference with the CC is that gay people or people using condoms etc won’t be stoned to death or punished in any way just because they do something the church don’t “allow”.
Also, the rules of the church are really only for people who actually practice their religion and even then most are ignored today. But this article is saying that these laws are going to be forced upon everyone in the country. Hardly the same thing really.
I think you’ll find the Catholic church does not support either of the two things you have said. You can’t quote the same old testament as if it’s the law of the church when it clearly isnt
Martin what’s it got to do with you what I believe? I don’t go out and rape women, then ask their fathers for 50 shekels. It SHOULD be a concern to you when you hear story after story of that happen, then by all means you question my faith, but until such a time mind your own business, hold your own thoughts and concern yourself with what is actually happening in the world,which is what the story is reporting.
Well – on one hand you can say that the Old Testament is irrelevant, but on the other hand it’s the part of the bible used as justification for discrimination against homosexuality. There are no references to homosexuality in the NT.
Can’t have it both ways..
I believe Martins point is that much of the material in Old Testament is just pure savagery and would have being supported by Jesus of Nazareth during his time.
This item is about the barbaric practice of stoning, which along with other primitive punishments, is being practised right now. It is not about some ancient and long abandoned items mentioned in the Bible which few if any non-clerics have ever read or heard of other than in their school ‘CATECHISM’ books.
Sharia Law as practised across most of the Moslem world is barbaric and there is no justification for it in a modern society.
So after years of war, many Afgan civilians killed, droned and billions of dollars wasted we conclude that the current regime supported by the US is implementing sames laws as were the Taliban … great progress!
As far as I know the Afghans or even the Talibans never attacked US, infact they were quite close buddies with CIA during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, ironically so are the Saudis whose citizens were actually involved in 9/11 but why harm them while they accept worthless dollar for oil.
An ISI officer once said that to have Americans your enemy is dangerous but to have them your friend is fatal.
Do we as a nation give any sort of foreign aid or development investment to Afghanistan does anyone know?
If we do we should just cut it off. Money makes the world go round (unfortunately) and if their funding is cut off from the international community I am sure they may “rethink” their penal code!
Believe it or not guys but Martin is 100% right about the bible you just can’t cherry pick all the nice bits and ignore all the horrible stuff and that’s what he is trying to say ! I honestly find it hard to comprehend why people go to a catholic mass and just blindly accept what the priest is saying surely if your going to believe in a god you should at least do some research otherwise we just look like morons blindly following because it’s the irish thing to do ! Some comments I’ve read seem to think the Catholic Church are more important than the bible but it’s actually the other way around and they interpret the way it suits them ! C,mon guys lets all use our brains here and not be sheep those days are gone ! ..
Can any person reading this item remember ever seeing a Bible during their years in Catholic schools? Or anywhere else for that matter. Taking the Oath in court does not count.
About once every 3 or 4 months I get a visit from 2 very nice elderly Jehovah’s Witnesses ladies. I haven’t the heart to run them from the door, so we chat for a few minutes and they go on their way. The last time they were here I told them I didn’t have a bible, and they popped one through the door a few weeks later.
I must ask them if they can track down revelations for me too, that’s a great read.
It’s funny that someone who calls on people to do research did absolutely none himself. The RCC is not a bible literalist church (i.e. every single word is not meant to be taken literally …so no, the world wasn’t created in 7 days).
The RCC believes in both the Bible and Tradition…so many of its beliefs are not in the bible, which is why many Christian bible Literalist don’t even consider Catholics as Christians…
Once had an apartment above that of a Mormon couple who were allowed into the building on condition of not bothering the rest of us in the house.They were in their dotage, not young and purty, and really nice but they could not passing me a copy of the Book which had been buried by Moroni, I never got to read it and remain unsaved to this very day.
Karl, of course we can ignore the “horrible bits”. People evolve and times change. Doctors used to treat depression with electric shock therapy and partial lobotomies. The brightest minds on earth used to think the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth etc. It doesn’t mean that we should disregard everything from that era just because some of it is irrelevant now. The Bible is from a time when acts of barbarity and cruelty were the norm. No priest today even talks about those passages because they have absolutely zero relevance in a modern civilised society.
Hey, it’s not all bad! – Deuteronomy 23:15,16:
“If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them.”
Perhaps more people should follow this nowerdays – Deuteronomy 24:14:
“Do not take advantage of a hired worker who is poor and needy, whether that worker is a fellow Israelite or a foreigner residing in one of your towns. 15 Pay them their wages each day before sunset, because they are poor and are counting on it. Otherwise they may cry to the Lord against you, and you will be guilty of sin.”
We had a lovely catholic family bible with beautiful renaissance paintings as illustrations. Was never read, and we were (unusually for the times) not mass goers, but we had a bible. I used to live the paintings.
The problem is that Islam is trying desperately to “outdo” the Jewish and Christian traditions. They take the laws of Abraham seriously – as the Jews and Christians are supposed to.
Of course (for the most part) Jews and Christians have moved on, Islam is 600 years behind the other two in terms of its evolution and maturity (what was Christianity up to 600 years ago?)..
The moderate Muslims pick and choose their bits of the Koran to follow the same way Jews and Christians pick and choose bits of the Torah and the NT.
It’s the ones who insist upon taking it literally who are the problem. And by the looks of things – those in power are literalists.. Or they’re psychopaths using the book as justification for sadistic forms of torture..
What societies are civilised?
Irish society, where you are jailed for not paying your tv licences, whilst those who crippled the state live in their fine houses?
American society, where millions live in forgotten poverty, most of whom are Hispanic and Latin American?
Where people aren’t stoned to death for adultery and pre marital sex would be a decent start I suppose. Civilised is a subjective word I suppose and people living in poverty seems more civilised than people being stoned to death in public but perhaps the difference isn’t so clear for some people.
There are no comparisons in the context between Ireland/America and Afghanistan, but as you said, a civilised society is subjective, which is what I was highlighting
Where are all the liberal Islamic apologists? Quite on this one? Come out and tell us what a peaceful loving religion Islam is and that we stop being racist and let go of our concerns with Europe becoming a haven for Islamic emigration.
you are a idiot no one claims any religion is all good or bad i think most people you consider “islamic apologists” are merely trying to convey this to you,that islam isnt inherently cruel or evil and where it is its because people distort its message and use it for their own purposes just like they do with christianity but your mind is far too simple to comprehend a world view thats not black and white,and no im not a liberal and im not a islamic apologist i just have no issue with the religon that being said i dont want it in my own country nor do i condone this disgusting behaviour !!
Bottom line is, if you follow the catholic church and believe in the words of the bible as the words of your god then you don’t have any right to lecture anybody or any country on whats right or wrong.
For the record, I think allowing such a punishment in Afghanistan or for the matter any country is seriously backward and should never be allowed, but then you’ll find like the nonsense in the catholic faith it has a religious basis.
For all their faults, and I am not a fan, the catholic church does not recommend stoning, whipping for adultery. Your comments Martin, are over the top.
Ironic Martin, with a name surname like Bishop, no? :)
I know where you’re coming from Martin, but the bible also preaches tolerance, respect and compassion too. If you’re going to include the bad stuff, balance it with the good.
I think you may be running off the old testament, I’m not sure though as theology is not my string point as I’m atheist.
This is a disgraceful comment. The Catholic Church does not endorse stoning as an appropriate punishment for any offence. If you read scripture correctly, i.e. recognising the context of the times in which it was written and the cultural norms influencing the authors, you cannot use the Bible to justify stoning or any other unnecessarily violent practices.
Your entire comment is rubbish. To compare Catholics and the taleban, Canon law and sharia is taking religious relativity a light year too far. Stop being disingenuous. They cannot be compared by anyone but the most virulent catholic church haters. Stoning women to death for adultery is not done and has never been done by the catholic church. Hangings gays, and cutting the throats of apostates and bkashphemers is not done by ANY religon bar one! So cut the s**t!
Martin, think you are heavily into references from The Old Testament of The Bible. That’s the pr-Christian half, I think you’ll find.
Like all such texts it is very easy to quote out of context which is precisely what militant Islam does with the Quran. Afghanistan is fiercely tribal and always has been. Taliban is a convenient identifier for the “bad” guys but is very often simply lazy journalism. It ain’t that simple. It is simple in as much as whoever is responsible in it it for power/control/wealth. Nothing religious about it; that’s just an easy smoke-screen. No, I’m not a fervent supporter of any religion.
The cultural norms influencing the authors?? Was the big man upstairs not influencing it for the most part? Surely he could have recommended some cross cultural, universal good deeds, ya know like NOT endorse slavery, thought crime or infinite torture for finite “sins”. Ooooh, maybe recommend a punishment for raping children who were entrusted into their care.
Obviously I’m against all religions that, including the barbarically backwards Islam, but giving your own one a green light because it’s not (quite) as ridiculous as another is laughable.
@Joseph, the old testament is the prechristian half!!?? Thats classic! Try not to display your ignorance so blatantly. What bits are we gonna ignore from the old testament? Adam and Eve and original sin? The introduction of death to the world? The ten commandments? Or are we ignoring jesus (the jew) when he said he arrived to reinforce the “old covenant”? Please do try to tell a baptist christian that 4/5 of their book is pre-christian! I’d watch that argument!
Silly people who make excuses for the horrors in their holy book by claiming it needs to be read in context drive me mad. If you find your book immoral, don’t sacrifice your humanity by defending it, take a step back and drop it. Useless text anyway.
Are you saying the bible is the word of ‘man’ and not that of ‘god’. Seems odd that an omnipresent., infallible, super, all knowing entity would experience so many changes if opinion over such a short time period.
Religion poisons “everything”?
What? Music? You find Handel’s Messiah ‘poisonous’?
What about the Statue Of David? The Last Supper? The Sistine Chapel?
Even if God is fiction, that sentiment above is the most preposterous idiotic thing I’ve read in a while.
Why are people leaving comments such as ‘uncivilised’? This law may be cruel and wrong, but there is no such thing as being ‘civilised’ – it’s a state of mind.
English people thought Irish people were ‘uncivilised’ in the 19thC as there few tables clothes in the homes of the poor
Martin shows moral relativism at its worst. All beliefs are equal, no one is more civilized than another.
Stoning women (and it’ll be women) to death is barbaric and uncivilized. It’s just plain wrong (not ‘wrong’). Its wrong regardless of your culture and your traditions; it was wrong 2000 years ago, it’s wrong now, and it’ll be wrong in 2000 years.
Democracy and religion then not to work so well together. Democracy and philosophical education providing the skills to liberal criticism on the other hand ~
Meanwhile the west continues to advance scientifically and socially. Seriously the US should just pull out now, all that money, deaths, troop surges, drone strikes etc. In the end where the result is Afghanistan reverts back to the dark ages Serious problem in the Muslim world in general as the primitive religious practices are keeping them in a poverty trap.
Imagine no religion..Just imagine,
no stonings, no beheadings, no homophobia, no 100 lashes ,no ostrichistation , no hijabs, no uneducated girls, no land wars (oil is god i no),no spitting at children on their way to school, no more fireing guns in the air, no more forced circumscissions male or female, no more car bombs or suicide bombers, no more arrange marriages,dietary requirements, presumed imagined virgins or versions of hell anything in the name of their god!! Would it make it any better or Will hate always find a way? id love to think that when it comes down to it right Will always triumph but sadly i fear im wrong on this one.
I always considered it hilarious when my schoolfriends trooped along to tell their innermost secrets to some some gombeen, celibate bogman in a confessional. As for transubstantiation….do me a favour!
De-evolutionised animals, they dont deserve the right to be mixing with modern western society, with extreme views, and punishments like this, I prefer to live in a world where religion is a choice and freedom is a right!
Yes simple. That’s why it would be so easy to eradicate all crime. 1 sentence, death. Boom. Solved. Parking fine? Nah, should have known better, death.
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