@lavbeer: You’ve had this question answered already. Prevention of sexually based crimes begins with educating all members of society about bodily autonomy, consent, what constitutes a sexually based crime, and the life long consequences for victims. The focus must be shifted from the (potential) victim to the (potential) perpetrator. Anyone of us is capable of committing a sexually based crime. That is the simple reality.

@Dog Eat Fog: i want to make this clear. I do want attention. Hence why I wrote the comment. So are you saying we are not some way responsible for the decisions we make? Theirs no preventive measures one could make to avoid any harm happening them. You were Talking about Mark Humphreys, and his accountability for what he was writing? You don’t have double standards do you?

@Philip Brady:

Really?

Mark Humphrys has published material I would think fall into the category of libel, e.g. publishing of defamatory claims and no justification or evidence supporting those claims.

That said, it has no relevance whatsoever in this case. There is no comparison. There are no parallels to be drawn.

Your questions are further only distracting from the topic, and your original ignorant outburst, but sure:
1. We are all responsible for our own actions.
2. Of course there are preventative measures one could take to avoid harm.
3. Yes, I was talking about Mark and his published mountain of complete rubbish.
4. No, I don’t have double standard.

Now, back on topic.

How does that victim blaming working out for you?

@Philip Brady:

Adding to this:

“You were Talking about Mark Humphreys, and his accountability for what he was writing? You don’t have double standards do you?”

Are you suggesting that rape victims in your view are accountable for being raped?

Thin ice, mister. Thin ice.

@Dog Eat Fog: you love bullet points, 1. Rape should not happen.
2.victims are of course victims, and should have justice, someone who is raped is allways the victim. And I am not in any way blaming them.
3. In some cases, questions must be asked weather the victim could have made some decisions that would have prevented an attack.
4. People need to be aware that their are people out there that want to cause harm.

One question though, when is taking a risky decision make one culpable for what happens?  Is my exposing others to risk or extra-ordinary risk unjustified?  At what point?  Does that then take on a % based responsibility?

@Philip Brady:

Thank you for the clarification.

You’re questioning if a rape victim (in retrospect) could’ve done anything differently to prevent the rape from happening.

The answer is – no.

You’re also questioning when, at what point, a rape victim’s actions make them culpable to the rape.

The answer is – never.

Your questions are the very definition of victim blaming.

To be clear – there is never a shared burden between the rapist and the rape victim. Never.

Maybe you’re exploring the subject for academic purposes or whatnot, but I do sincerely hope that you somewhere understand that you’re effectively engaging in victim blaming, regardless of your motives.

@Dog Eat Fog: @Dog Eat Fog: tell me why so many women tend not to get taxis on there own, especially when they are on a night out? Would it be fair to say they are taking precautionary measures? Or maybe they know there’s some kind of risk involved.

@Dog Eat Fog: maybe if she got a taxi with her friends it would have prevented any assault? Are you suggesting women should let their guard Down? And Not be mindful of risks and go with the flow and let the universe take over. If it’s not clear to you, I’m trying to look for answers in preventing rape, not advocating it.

@Philip Brady:

There seems to be a critical piece of information that you’re either not aware of or omitting in your considerations.

According to publicly available statistics (RCNI), in ~91% of all reported cases (which is all we have to go on, not to speculate) the perpetrator is known to the victim and it’s mostly a family member.

The remaining instances are seemingly random, whereof some may take place late at night in dark places.

This is where you’re logic fails.

You seem to think that by subjecting women to limitations in how they lead their lives and by removing parts of their independence, you might solve the problem.

It doesn’t work that way. It achieves nothing. The change needs to take place in society at large and how we deal with rapists – not how we deal with victims.

@Dog Eat Fog: i agree about the person is known to the victim in most cases, that’s a different issue to what I am talking about. removing parts of their independents” how do you suggesting we stop rapist from raping? How do you deal with a frist time rapist? What’s your solution? Tell women to go out and do what ever the hell they want to, with no consequences, that seems far far more dangerous than what I am proposing.

@Philip Brady:

I don’t have a solution. However, I have this thought -

Let’s stop focusing on the victim in solving the issue. It does not help and it distracts from the problem – the rapists.

Exactly how we solve the problem is more than I can tell, while I can say that far too much energy is spent on victim blaming and on what potential victims should or should not do not to become a victim. As the stats clearly tells you, it does not apply and it does not work. The efforts and discussion must go the other direction.

@Dog Eat Fog: i don’t think you’re gritting what I am saying? Why is it that you think a person (before being a victim) could prevent (some) situations from happening? I think it’s very important part of the discussion actually.

@Philip Brady: I’d be happy if you answered that

@Philip Brady:

Excuse me? I neither say nor agree with that a potential victim can prevent crimes against them from happening.

Now…

How do we reduce crime? How do we reduce gun violence? How do we reduce abuse? How do we reduce domestic violence? How do we reduce rape?

Certainly not by telling victims or potential victims to behave differently and to put limitations on how they lead their lives.

We do it by changing society at large and how we deal with perpetrators.

Exactly how that should be done in this case is more than I know, but that’s where I believe the discussion needs to be held.

I don’t believe your insistent focus on the victim and how to change the victim’s behaviour is helping one bit, but rather is quite counterproductive.

@Dog Eat Fog: it seems you don’t want to step out of your comfort zone, I think believe everything is on the table to be discussed and scrutinized. What I am posing is also very topical, concedering what happend hook. So do you think we as people can stop certain outcomes by removing our selfs from certain situation.??

@Philip Brady:

Comfort zone? really?

This was your starting point – victim blaming.
“women and men should be careful who they go back to a hotel room with, and be mindful of the risks!!”

The you questioned victims’ and potential victims’ actions and behaviours – just read up on your own posts.

Now, however, in your last message you say:
“everything is on the table to be discussed and scrutinized”

And yet you insist on putting the focus on the victims, which clearly is a futile effort.

If everything is on the table, then drive the discussion towards what we can do to change our society, and what governing bodies can do to change how we handle rapists.

@Dog Eat Fog: seems you’re trying to steer the Conversation repeatedly, I’ve asked a question many times . Which you have not answered. Are you going to answer the questions?

@Philip Brady:

Si

@Philip Brady:

Sure, which question in particular, of the number of questions you’ve already posed?

@Dog Eat Fog: do you believe we are responsible for our selfs?

@Philip Brady:

I think I answered this already, but anyway -

Of course we are responsible for ourselves and our own actions, assuming we’re talking about adults (parents are responsible for their minor children).

Do you have a point with that question in terms of rape victims and their perpetrators?

@Dog Eat Fog: Right so women and men need to be some what responsible for their safety would I be right in saying that ?

@Philip Brady:

Of course they do.

For instance – Leaving a candle lit in a different room, smoking in bed, running out in traffic, changing lane without indicating, are a few examples of actions that can result in accidents and subsequently various degrees of injury or worse.

If these these type of actions are performed, one could argue that the self-inflicted injury comes with a level of responsibility. One could also argue that the person did not consider their own, and possibly others, safety performing the action or actions in question.

Keywords are – 1) accident, and 2) self-inflicted (while accidents also may affect others).

Does this mean that we also carry a responsibility to safeguard ourselves from other human beings subjecting our persons to criminal harm?

Of course not.

@Dog Eat Fog:

Just to cover one more aspect – it doesn’t belong here, but just to have it said – and that is the “walking into danger” scenario, such as stepping into the middle of an ongoing fight, or picking a fight with someone.

While these are not necessarily accidents, they are self-inflicted, and as such one could argue various levels of own responsibility.

@Thought for Food: You must be new.

@Thought for Food: oh youre new, you’ll need to be aware of the cognitive dissonance that goes on here. It’s fair game to talk about abuse in the church, but not in Islam. You can ask questions, but not allowed question minorities. oppression of women is only acceptable in Islam. You can talk about “rape culture” no problem, but you can not talk about the high percentage of rape across Europe in connection with migrants.

@Philip Brady: People were being raped across Europe long before any “connection with migrants”. It would be super if you would stop trying to deflect that Irish people have been, and are being, sexually assaulted &/or raped by other Irish people.

@Felicity Hensen: you’re also missing my point

@Stephen Coveney:

Did she resign? ?

@Remy: Oh dear! Did Geri get you all worked up this morning? Don’t let these things get to you.Just keep posting about Muslims and blacks.#loveboth

@Stephen Coveney: No oddly enough she wasn’t asked to resign by the Labour party , nor was she removed from the Labour party .
She was however suspended for making anti semitic remarks , but reinstated after 3 months .

@Ollie Mac:

Ahh”Ollie” keep posting you’re self loathing, Anti white pro abortion drivel.
Get that self loathing looked at while you’re at it.

@Ollie Mac: you know what black Irish people are busy doing? Getting stuff done man, socialising, working and not being victims. I know that’s hard for you to swillow, liberals are inadvertently the most racist.

@Philip Brady: Mind don’t you choke on the bull shit .

@Ollie Mac: keep up the patronizing behaviour,

@Philip Brady: I honestly never knew that Ireland enacted laws against the black person..wow…

@TheoWolfe: True , I have no answers , but I’m not going down the Deborah Behan path , lock all men up under curfew . And I sure as hell don’t advocate for Burqas .

@TheoWolfe: ask your female friends about their experiences.

@Maggie OSullivan Graham:

In regard to what Maggie? Are you somehow suggesting all females have been raped? Or perhaps sexually harassed. If so, how are you defining such harassment?