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THE WEEKEND’S RED C opinion poll for the Sunday Business Post reversed a recent trend of increasing support for the two government parties.
Both Fine Gael and Labour dropped two points each to 25 and 8 per cent respectively, a setback when both parties were just starting to believe that the public were coming back to them after a succession of bad polls last year.
Despite ongoing rumours of an early election it’s now increasingly likely, if not certain, that the coalition will hold out as long as it can and hope the poll numbers improve as the economy does.
But why the sudden and somewhat unexpected drop in support, and what about the state of the other parties? Here’s our take….
It wasn’t Siterserv
The poll numbers come at the end of a bad week for the coalition when the Siterserv controversy was blown wide open. Most voters won’t appreciate the nuances of the story or, as one minister put it to us yesterday, the view in coalition circles that “government has done nothing wrong here”.
Two former Fine Gael colleagues, Alan Dukes and Michael Noonan, at the centre of the Siteserv controversy Photocall Ireland
Photocall Ireland
The problem is that there is an undeniable whiff of rottenness about the whole matter. The McNulty debacle last year was an obscure Seanad by-election, but for many it stank of cronyism. This Siterserv story stinks. We’re not sure of what yet, but voters can certainly detect that something isn’t quite right about it, and that’s the problem.
However, as damaging as this may prove for Labour and particularly Fine Gael, this poll was taken between Monday and Wednesday of last week, when the Siteserv controversy was just starting to enter the public consciousness. It’s unlikely that it had such an effect as to knock two points off each of the government parties.
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But it might have been mortgages
One minister we spoke to yesterday suggested that the coalition’s failure to act on the issue of distressed mortgage holders was the main reason for the drop in support. There are proposals in the works and an announcement is expected in the coming weeks.
But Fianna Fáíl spent a number of weeks hammering the government over its failure to do anything for standard variable mortgage rate holders. It’s arguably done more for those in distress by extracting a promise from AIB to cut rates in the coming months. The government will have to deliver something similar with its long-awaited announcement.
Not that it helped Fianna Fáil
All the cute babies in the world won't help Micheál Martin. Sam Boal / Photocall Ireland
Sam Boal / Photocall Ireland / Photocall Ireland
Micheál Martin’s troops may have their internal difficulties but there is no denying that Fianna Fáil have had some considerable wins when it’s come to embarrassing and shaming this government, like the medical cards and garda malpratice controversies last year. So far this year, Michael McGrath has done sterling work on the mortgages issue, but there has been no poll dividend for the party, which saw a jump of just one point to 19 per cent in the latest poll.
At the party’s Ard Fheis over the weekend, Fianna Fáil figures staunchly maintained that the party is not actually on 19 per cent and that come the election it will capture more than 20 per cent of the vote. The problem is that mediocre poll ratings do little for morale and ensure that the awkward squad – the likes of Eamon Ó Cuív and John McGuinness – will continue to air their concerns about the party’s direction.
Sinn Féin returns to form
By contrast, the other main opposition party has restored most of the support it lost over the Paudie McGahon controversy earlier this year. Having fallen sharply to 17 per cent in the March Red C poll, Sinn Féin has jumped five points to 22 per cent this time around. The fallout from Mary Lou McDonald being criticised by an internal Dáil committee over her naming of politicians in the Ansbacher dosser does not appear to have harmed the party one bit.
Sam Boal / Photocall Ireland
Sam Boal / Photocall Ireland / Photocall Ireland
Independents and others are still going strong
Independent TDs believe their support will fall off as the election nears and people consolidate around the existing political parties. Though the independents and others category dropped two points this time around, it is still on a significant 26 per cent.
With Renua only just emerging and the Anti-Austerity Alliance becoming a growing political force, it will be interesting to see to what extent voters start to coalesce around these new movements in the months ahead, or whether they opt for one of the four main parties.
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You can’t brand an entire party because of what a small number of people did. There are a lot of new people who had nothing to do with the recession in the party and the FF councillors are a very different crowd to the TD’S.
Sorry Shane, if you join the mafia you join to change it into st Vincent DePaul. Equally when you join FF you join to get a chance to stick your snout in the trough.
The Irish are ok with corruption. Voting for the Bertie’s the Brian’s and the Michael’s means core values haven’t changed in FF and FG are no different i.e. Lowry Tipperary. It makes the people who vote for them equally corrupt or just dumb.
A large number of the people who’s names are on the register have been forced to emigrate so if you take the number who live here and who voted the turnout would be higher.
Per annum but I know people who moved abroad a decade ago who still get a polling card at their parents house. Then there are others (small number) with multiple cards at different addresses
John Sherlock thanks for pointing that out about the large number on the electorate who have emigrated who could not vote had not actually thought of that and actually that is another scandal that our people forced to emigrate no longer have any say in who is elected
I don’t know why people voted for him. I have a relation who knows him and he told me Ming never finished school and has been on the dole his whole life doing anything but smoking pot and now where sending him to Europe. That’s a joke.
If thats true then he probably has more in common than most of the electorate, At least hes spent some time on the dole. Most of our TDs come from a political dynasty and list their profession as public representative since they left school.
That is just about the most stupid, inane, ridiculous statement to be posted today. I have a friend that knows a guy too… And he used to smoke pot!! Typical stupefied answer from someone who probably reads glossy mags at the weekend and thinks they’re all true stories as well..
More working class people like Ming needed on politics , we’ve always had too many of the ivory tower variety who don’t know how the other half lives . Well done to Ming overcoming the prejudice and sneering of the elites
Eamon Ryan !! I dont think he knows his arse from his elbow!! He was interviewed on Euronews about 2 years and painted a picture far from the truth! Actually, nowhere near the truth! He has as much political clout as Kenneth Egan!
Its crazy to think there are hundreds of thousands of people all over the country hoping Eamonn Ryan doesnt get elected…..on environmental grounds…his tireless backing of big business in the form of giant international utility wind developers despite all the independent scientific evidence showing its minimal effect on CO2 reduction and its devestating effect on the landscape and environment has shown him up to be foolish in the extreme and an idealogicalb puppet for fat cat developers..
I sincerely hope Hayes gets the seat; not because I support him or his Party but because he’s an open book – a blueshirt true and true and that gets my respect! But the Ryan boyo hunts with the hare and chases with the hounds – no respect!
Well done to all anti-austerity independent candidates who won seats in the councils with no funding, no backing from major parties, no massive PR machines.. People who slogged it out knocking on people’s doors in all weathers 6 days a week in small teams of dedicated people on a mission to show the Irish electorate that there was an alternative to the major political parties out there who could represent them in local governments across the country. Here in Kildare we in the CAWHT campaign told our Labour councillors – “axe the tax or watch your vote collapse”. Unlike Labour, we kept our promises and this election saw Labour decimated in the council and we won our representatives the seats they deserve through hard work and pure people power. To any and all people who gave up their evenings and weekends to be a part of any of these campaigns – well done, you should be proud of your achievement.
Interesting that Mary Lou qualifies Boylan as ‘the real deal’. Obviously she regards the rest of Sinn Fein as being fakers of some sort. Refreshingly honest of her.
Id say your a bitter bitter man this morning, SF most popular party on the island of Ireland by vote share, as well as a likely MEP representing all 4 regions in Ireland. The reaction of trolls like yourself makes it all the more sweeter for the rest of us!
Johngahan – You are in awful form ? Something seismic must have happened over the weekend that has you now inventing things that people haven’t said at all !
Where’s your other Blueshirt Gobaloon Richard Rodgers ?
Has he gone on an awful tear altogether ?
Tell him that we miss him , will you ?
We’v 350,000 public servants , New Zealand have 125 , 000 , population is the same for both NZ and us and Canada has 228,000 for population of 35 million , so what’s going on ?
The country doing so well in making a change through the power of the vote.Then you have the people of south Kerry voting in the Healy reas,and they wonder why their are the bud of jokes?
Fully agree james r. Ming can ask them to stop moving house every 3 months to strasbourg and give us the 100 mil that costs to reduce ou r debt to eu/german banks. Time for a straight talker in brussells who messed up the euro, banking regulation etc. Brussels is a sleepy cosy place and packed with highly paid useless people, systems, and policies…just look at the mess europe is in. Time for no nonsense straight talking and ming is the man to do it….hopefully rte/tv3 will actually let us know what goes on there for a change….
So the fool ming is happy to dress up for Europe but hasn’t the same respect for our own Dàil !! Good riddance to him we wont have to listen to his foolish rants again!
I’ll be sad when all this live blogging is over, it gave me an excuse to babble on about politics and even stay up passed the death, on dare I say it, a school night. I’m not normally one to follow politics so closely but I found this blog coupled with the excellent radio and TV coverage addictive. Well done to all at the Journal.ie!
Well done Ming!! No more butter vouchers ….. cannabis plants all the way from Europe now ….Medical cards who needs medical cards …. When cannabis cures all ails ….less work for customs and gardai …what fools we are ….
Excellent graphics from Clare Byrne. Best yet explanation of how the Proportional Representation Voting System works. Send a final disk to each school in the country, the kids will see immediately how it works without a long-winded complicated verbal explanation.
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