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The courtroom where the Nuremberg trials took place. Alexander Rüsche/PA Images

New documentary reveals secrets about a Swiss doctor dubbed 'one of the worst Nazi figures'

SS doctor August Hirt tortured and mutilated jews in France.

A NEW DOCUMENTARY about the scale of Nazi medical experiments has reopened old wounds in France as one of the country’s leading universities investigates whether its stores still contain the remains of some Jewish victims.

Dr Michel Cymes, the star of a French television medical advice programme, believes that the remains of some of the 86 Jews tortured and mutilated by SS doctor August Hirt may still be in the anatomy collection of the University of Strasbourg.

He first raised the theory in his 2015 bestseller, Hippocrates in Hell, and repeated the claim in a new film of the same name shown on French TV this week.

The documentary, which trended on Twitter after it was broadcast, raised awkward questions about how part of the “Jewish skeleton collection” Hirt assembled at the university during the war may have survived in its stores.

The remains of Jews on which Hirt tested mustard gas at the Natzweiler-Struthof concentration camp near the Alastian city were supposed to have been buried after it was liberated in 1944.

But after Cymes’ claims, the university is now conducting an inquiry using outside experts into the contents of 20 boxes found in its collection which bear Hirt’s name.

‘One of worst Nazi figures’

The Swiss-born anatomist was “one of the worst Nazi figures”, according to Dr Raphael Toledano, a specialist on Nazi medical experiments.

He was convinced that the Jewish race was on the point of extinction and wanted to study the skulls of “Judeo-Bolsheviks”.

Cymes, both of whose Polish-born grandfathers perished at Auschwitz, said he had little idea how extensive Nazi medical experiments had been until he started his own investigation.

“I knew about doctors like Josef Mengele and Carl Clauberg and I thought they were two or three others like that, but then I discovered how vast the phenomenon was,” he told AFP.

His eyes were opened when he began looking in detail at the Nuremberg trials of 23 doctors which began in 1946, and in particular a postwar account of the Nazis’ activities by the French naval physician, Francois Bayle.

His now almost forgotten book was a “mine of information”, Cymes said. “He noted down everything he heard, it’s encyclopaedic, an enormous piece of work”.

When he came to write his own book Cymes said he tried to use his medical knowledge to “describe what the victims would have felt so that people would realise the suffering of these (human) guinea pigs”.

Ethics turned upside down

Nearly 70% of German doctors were members of the Nazi party, according to Cymes’ documentary.

From 1933 onwards when Hitler came to power, medical ethics “were turned upside down”, Cymes said. “The individual was nothing, the people was everything.”

The small number of doctors tried for war crimes at Nuremberg either worked in concentration camps or used prisoners for medical experiments of “unspeakable cruelty”, said Telford Taylor, the prosecutor at the trials.

Others took part in the “Aktion T4″ programme to “eliminate people were considered to carry hereditary illnesses”, said Sorbonne historian Johann Chapoutot, who reckons that between 70,000 and 200,000 died in the push between 1941 and 1945.

In the film, Cymes used testimony from experts such as Evelyne Shuster, of the University of Pennsylvania, and the surgeon and historian Yves Ternon from the University of Montpellier to show the scale of the cruelty and slaughter.

He concentrated on the atrocities committed by Karl Gebhardt, the personal physician of SS chief Heinrich Himmler, and his assistant Dr Herta Oberheuser.

But he also noted how the head of the “Aktion T4″ programme, Viktor Brack, wanted to sterilise all Jews using X-rays, which he thought “be good value for money”, writing to Himmler that it could be “carried out on several thousand subjects in a very short time”.

While Sigmund Rascher, the SS doctor at the Dachau camp near Munich, tested how the body stood up to the cold and a lack of oxygen.

Cymes said that the documentary and the investigation into Hirt will not be the end of his inquiries.

“The subject is very personal for me and even though it is psychologically hard maybe I will continue digging for other films,” he said.

© – AFP 2018

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:15 PM

    Immediate response.
    When Joe soap needs , nowhere to be seen.
    FFG need removal now.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:18 PM

    @Davy: And what makes you so certain it would be different under any other party? The system is broken.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:33 PM

    @Davy: you are obviously Sinn Fein if they get in god help Ireland

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:51 PM

    @cora galloway: How can SF be any worse than what we have now?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:24 PM

    @Davy: your proof backing up that statement, or is it baseless rhetoric? Everyone is dismissive of the guards until they need them. It was a public order concern. People need to get over it.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:26 PM

    @Alfred Bastafield: how can they be any better! They want to spend on everything, to build houses etc Where’s the money coming from…no better than trump politics

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:36 PM

    @Iano C: Unfortunately for over one hundred years we’ve never had the chance to see what it would be like under any other party. The time has come to see if getting rid of the corrupt government can actually bring change

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:37 PM

    @Alfred Bastafield: Will you vote for SF on the basis that they won’t be worse than FF/FG

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:53 PM

    @Johnny K: There’s plenty of money, if you look in the right places.

    How about a windfall tax on the profiteering of the banks and the energy companies for a start?

    Then build some houses.

    Then there is the money saved from paying all those private landlords – including all those foreign owned corporations – when people move into those newly build homes.

    And that cascades.

    How ’bout that for a start?

    But FFGL wont want to do anything to interfere with the obscene profits made by any of those business concerns.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:26 PM

    @Iano C: Suggestion?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:26 PM

    @Thomas Reddy: SF won’t last 6 months. It’s so easy to criticise when you’re the opposition. Look at their record in the north. Exact same down here in the south

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:46 PM

    @Alfred Bastafield: things can always be worse.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:49 PM

    @Alan Scott: You do realise that Westminster controls the purse strings for the North, so it’s nothing like down here in the South.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:50 PM

    @Alan Scott: exactly.they won’t last a term,when they get in all of the tds will go in looking for everything that they promised for the last 20 years with no comprise….Mary Lou will realise in a very short time that it’s not possible and then they will one by one(when they don’t get everything)leave the party to be a independent.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:02 PM

    @The Bolt: SF stood beside those who threatened and killed members of the Gardaí. We have a person in Mary Lou who has intimidated the press for bad courage of SF. You have members who proudly say up the RA. The only people who vote for SF are those who refuse to get up and get a job knowing full well SF will throw the cash at unplanned pregnancies.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:07 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Where are you going to get all these builders to build those houses? They’ll come from the private sector meaning less private housing and more social housing, swapping one problem for another. In all likelihood, less houses would be delivered at a much greater cost. SF could take on the planning issues but this is unlikely given their record on county councils. You may save rent but those houses aren’t cheap and the maintenance costs are astronomical on social housing.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 10:54 PM

    @Mike Carson: The interim report had already revealed that more than 200,000 calls were cancelled between January 2019 and October 2020, the period covered by a Garda review of the matter into more than 2,000 Domestic Violence/Sexual Assault calls (DVSA) which appeared to have been cancelled for “invalid” reasons.
    Major difference of Garda response when Joe(esphine) Soap is making EMERGENCY calls to them.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 12:00 AM

    @cora galloway: FF and fg seem to want them to get in they’re certainly showing how hopeless they are at dealing with the countrys most serious problems,if they do get in it’ll be because those in power did little about dealing with it and people voted for them because they had been pushed too far waiting on these idiots to take real action and declare a housing emergency,stop wasting public funds in non essential areas,housing and health needs serious resources and helping the vulnerable and disabled if people seen more was being done maybe they’d have more faith in those gombeans,basic common sense decisions not basic for those though,no wonder rte wasted money they knew little or nothing comes of it if it came out,ever

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    Aug 17th 2023, 7:31 AM

    @Alan Scott: How can SF be any worse than what we have now? They should be given a chance, 4 years. If they dont improve anything thats them done.
    What if they did much better than the rubbish leaders we have now?
    Also nothing wrong being a SF supporter

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    Aug 17th 2023, 7:35 AM

    @John Terry: You just proved you know nothing about Sinn Fein. They wont leave to become independents.
    They are a strong political party, no one will walk away

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    Aug 17th 2023, 9:47 AM

    @Alan Scott: 2 things Alan. 1, you can shove your righteousness where the sun doesn’t shine. We’ve been abused for so long by FFG that we have to move on.

    2, SF got 33% in the latest polls, far and away the most popular party. We have full employment. What are you rambling about you nimrod.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 12:01 PM

    @Mike Carson: The issue here is the glaring absence of Gardaí when people were being mugged on the streets. Suddenly there are all hands on deck?

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    Aug 17th 2023, 3:54 PM

    @Mike Carson: The sheer number of 999 calls recorded as not being responded to last year as was widely reported. Meanwhile a paultry 40 calls about queues at atms gets a rapid response. The invisible nature of gardai on the streets day or night with criminal activity allegedly going on with gardai in close proximity. The process of policing by consent doesn’t work and the system is severely damaged if not totally collapsed

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:18 PM

    How many bankers were convicted of using ‘their’ banks as personal ATM’s?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:26 PM

    @Ciaran Sherry: exactly and we are still paying for it

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:44 PM

    @and the hit’s just keep coming:
    Still didn’t make this right.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 10:30 PM

    @Ciaran Sherry: none. Quinn not a bank, but a fall guy pal.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 8:51 AM

    @Ciaran Sherry: none since that didn’t happen

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:17 PM

    AGSI have absolutely no authority to stop anyone legally withdrawing money from their own account at an atm …..if people were over withdrawing money that they hadn’t got in their account that’s an issue between the bank and the customer…….it looked like a policed state last night….and im saying that after serving the state in uniform for over 30 years…..cash in transit escorts that used to be escorted by the defence forces and AGSI stopped years ago because it was a civil matter for the banks to look after their own security….not the state

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:40 PM

    @and the hit’s just keep coming: AGSI – Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors. Do you mean AGS – An Garda Siochana?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:59 PM

    @and the hit’s just keep coming: for someone that claims to have been in the security industry for 30 years you are very confused and mis informed. Guards respond to call out as some of the que were getting out of control and people were in fear so the Guards done their job no were does it say that they stopped people with drawing money. Secondly reasons for withdrawal of Guards & army from cash in transit was bank refused to fund/contribute to the cost and plus additional in house security measures.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 8:28 PM

    @Paul C: sorry yes i only spotted my mistake

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    Aug 16th 2023, 8:38 PM

    @Larry O Reilly: well Larry the defence forces were only part of the escort under a section that covers aid to civil power …ie to protect the AGS escorting the money who were unarmed….the security of the money was a garda issue and financial contribution twords the cost of cash in transit was between the Bank and AGS not the defence forces as they were operating only to protect the gards….and you will find they actually closed off access to many atm Dispensers stopping people leagely accessing their own money….not once did i mentioned anything about them dealing with public order issues in the queue… they are fully within the law dealing with that …but not within the law stopping anyone from accessing an atm

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:05 PM

    @and the hit’s just keep coming: they have every right to stop people taking money that isn’t theirs.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:10 PM

    @and the hit’s just keep coming:who are AGS. Guards didn’t stop the dispensing of money they were there for crowd control and in addition to this the majority of people that with drew money did so under false pretenses as they had no monies in their account so with drawing it is illegal not there money

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:18 PM

    If the Gardai are not on the streets SF are complaining, if the Gardai are on the street SF are complaining

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:36 PM

    @Peter Byrne: amazing, Social democrat, kicks off the first paragraph, labour Aodhán O’Riordan, says the phrase ” unnerving” that’s quoted in the headline,
    Next Fianna Fáil justice spokesperson weighs in, and finally Sinn Féin are last…and you Zero in on Sinn Féin…
    That’s called rent free mate

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:46 PM

    @Peter Byrne: There’s a big difference between the Guards being on the street to protect the people and the Guards being on the street to stop the people going about their own business.

    No Guard could have known if any law was being broken.

    And – by all accounts – no law was being broken. If anyone had happened to withdraw more money than they had in their account then that is a civil matter, a matter between them and their bank.

    The Guards had no lawful reason to act as they did.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:53 PM

    @Peter Byrne: That’s a skewed perception of what the Gardai were doing, they weren’t “on the streets” patrolling. They were on the streets preventing access to ATMs without any legal authority.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:13 PM

    Why wouldn’t they, people were only there because they though they could get more money than was in their accounts
    ie stealing

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:18 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: It was the unintentional provision of an overdraft by BOI, not “stealing” by BOI customers.

    All the money will have to be repaid and anyone that thought otherwise was at best optimistic and at worst downright naive.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:26 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: You can’t steal from yourself. The banks have all the details. It’s just an unauthorized overdraft. Gardai should not have been involved

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:31 PM

    @Patrick MC Dermott: so why were they taking money out? They thought it was free, or too thick to know it was going to be like an overdraft

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:41 PM

    @Johnny K: How do you know how much money anyone was withdrawing?

    And how do the Guards know?
    Or how much you have in you account?

    Furthermore, it is none of their business.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:42 PM

    @Johnny K:
    You beat me to it Johnny, very very few people who were there thought they would have to pay it back.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:48 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: Gardai have no authority to deny access to ATMs unless maybe someone was vandalizing it or stealing it with their JCB, more strange and baffling to me is how lots of Gardai were suddenly available to protect the interests of the bank, there never seems to be any available tp patrol our streets.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:53 PM

    @Johnny K: Why do you think it is OK for organs of the State – particularly the policing service – to break the law?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:14 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: what were all the muppets withdrawing money for, they thought it was “free” otherwise why go into overdraft?. If the guards were not there and a fight broke out to get to the top of the Q, people would be slating the guards

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:29 PM

    @Michael Burke: how were they protecting the interests of the bank ?? Ultimately the muppets withdrawing the “free” money were going to be caught in overdrafts through withdrawal records…

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:47 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: I’m very very very not paying it back. I already owe them 10k since 2013, 600 extra won’t hurt. Stinger

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:55 PM

    @Johnny K: What people were withdrawing money for is none of your business.
    Or mine.

    Or the Guards.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:57 PM

    @Johnny K:

    “how were they protecting the interests of the bank ?? Ultimately the muppets withdrawing the “free” money were going to be caught in overdrafts through withdrawal records…”

    Then you agree people withdrawing money were not break the law.

    But the Guards DID prevent them going about their own business.

    Which is not lawful.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:13 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: it is when they thought they could get it out for “free”

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:42 PM

    @Johnny K: “it is when they thought they could get it out for “free” ”

    How do you know what they thought? What are you, the thought police?

    And no, it still isn’t unlawful even if they thought is was free. That is a private matter between them and their banking institution.

    It was the Guards that broke the law, not any person trying to withdraw money.

    So, why do you defend lawbreaking by the very institution responsible for protecting the law, and us?

    The Guards in this country have a long history of breaking the law, resulting in gross abuses of the people. Going back to handing over kids to “religious” institutions, for the benefit of those institutions, and much since.

    We can never again allow the Guards to overstep their authority.

    There needs to be an enquiry. To find out how this could have been allowed to happen, to hold those responsible accountable and to make sure this never happens again.

    This is a very serious matter.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:57 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Oh shut up Honey Badger. You’re only making relevant points when talking about US politics because you’re paid to do so. Your rant on the police here betrays your rant on US republican ideologies which is pro police. But tonight is different. I wonder why!!

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    Aug 16th 2023, 8:24 PM

    @Kevin Collins: don’t kid yourself. The only reason the majority were withdrawing was because they thought it was free money.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:18 PM

    @Johnny K: The stupid clowns
    thought they were hoodwinking the banks. They must feel very foolish today

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:43 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: you talk some drivel to be fair! The guards broke the law !! The muppets tried yo take out what they thought was free money. The report was since updated with 40 calls to guards about issues with crowds at the ATM’s. Was it the bank or the guards that you have an issue with in general ? You need a hug?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 10:36 PM

    @P.J. Nolan: There was no mention from either the BOI,or the garda that this was to be viewed as stealing,the bank ar treating it as an overdraft issue and are not even applying the standard Interest.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:40 PM

    So if you want to visit Dublin and to feel safe then all you have to do is dress up as an ATM machine and be escorted around Dublin by the Guards

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:44 PM

    @Paul Maguire: another stupid comment..a couple of isolated incidents and the usual mob are out making it sound worse.it’s a city of over a million people.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:18 PM

    @John Terry: Isolated incidents. Clearly defending FFG comes above truth in your priorities.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:52 PM

    @Go on Leo, go ahead and try enforced payment durin: defending fg.?…I thought we were talking about something else.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 9:51 AM

    @John Terry: Don’t worry about it. You’re clearly easily confused.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:39 PM

    “In a statement last night, a garda spokesperson also said that they wanted to “remind people of their personal responsibility in carrying out their personal banking”.”

    Would this be the same organisation that had questions to answer regarding multiple accounts for their Training Center?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:23 PM

    Do you know what’s even more unnerving, the out of control crime and violence in Ireland and the worst judicial legal system in the Western world. That’s unnerving

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:42 PM

    @The ghost of Ireland’s past: total nonsense.out of control violence and worst judicial system in the western world.you’ve obviously never been abroad.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:21 PM

    @John Terry: Name another country in Europe with a worse judicial system? name another country in Europe where someone a violent thug can have 100 suspended sentences and be free to walk the streets? Or indeed name another country in Europe where a murderer can walk free after 7 years?

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    Aug 17th 2023, 7:18 AM

    @The ghost of Ireland’s past: I’d love to know the name of this murderer who walked free after 7 years? Or are you just talking out of your Bob Dole as usual?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:19 PM

    Tourists being beaten within an inch of their lives in places like Temple Bar…No Guards…people naively/desperately withdrawing money from ATM’s…Guards there in force! Bravo!

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:24 PM

    @damien leen: “people naively/desperately withdrawing money”……more like muppets thinking they were getting free money !

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:04 PM

    @Johnny K: Actually, it more like the Guards breaking the law.

    How can that be OK with you?

    The front-line institution responsible for law and order breaking the law?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:27 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: muppets thinking they were getting free money caused this shambles!

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:32 PM

    @Johnny K: If you mean the Guards breaking the law is a shambles – once again – in that organisation, then there needs to be an inquiry to find out how that happened.

    It is simply unacceptable that the Guards overstep their authority.
    We are NOT russia.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:59 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: An inquiry to find out why muppets thought they could get free money from the ATM ? Glad we agree! Unfortunately the guards were called as the money muppets thought they could get free money!

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:18 PM

    Ridiculous use of garda resources. Even if someone was trying to take out more money then their account had, how would the garda know and they certainly couldn’t validate against their bank balance.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:33 PM

    @Stephen Murray: ridiculous people thinking they were getting free money. If they stayed at home, none of that nonsense would have happened

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:39 PM

    @Johnny K: exactly….it’s always someone else’s fault in this country.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:56 PM

    @Johnny K: So, you’re OK with the guards breaking the law?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:16 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: where did I day that ?? The muppets taking money, they thought was free is what caused the hole farce on the streets! Gimps

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:01 PM

    @Johnny K: How do you know that “The muppets taking money, they thought was free”?

    You do not know, you cannot know what anyone was doing.

    And neither can the Guards.

    And it is none of your business what money I might have withdrawn last night.
    Nor is it my business what money you might have wanted to withdraw last night.

    That is between you and you bank.

    And it is certainly no business of the Guards.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:18 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: what were lots of people in the Q for last night? Simple, they thought they were withdrawing “free” money !! Plain and simple. If fights broke out with people in the Q trying to get to the ATM, and no guards there, you’d be whinging to Joe Duffy, Where’s the guards! I’m sure the guards didn’t want to be there either!!

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:45 PM

    @Johnny K: IT DOES NOT MATTER what reason people were withdrawing money from their accounts.

    IT IS NO BUSINESS OF THE GUARDS.

    The Guards acted unlawfully.

    The people did not.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:51 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: shout a little louder there hun :-)

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    Aug 16th 2023, 11:33 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: could you quote that law?

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    Aug 17th 2023, 8:11 AM

    @Stephen Murray: yet you support using gardai to protect the creeps reading vile material to children in libraries

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:04 PM

    It’s a pity Gardai not out in force manning our out of control cities

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:04 PM

    Lol so gardai there to protect the bank’s money.

    Gardai nowhere to be found when residents are being beaten and abused on the streets.

    We are just fertliser for the rich, nothing more. Yet we vote for this.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:28 PM

    What about privacy between customer and bank, ffg really belive citizens have no rights

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:32 PM

    @Robert Halvey: what? What’s privacy and ffg got to do with it. It was an IT screw up

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:05 PM

    Wonder was tubridy in the queue

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:12 PM

    It makes me feel safer to have the hunky Gardai around the ATMs.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:48 PM

    @NudeNunsWithBigGuns:
    Even when they are preventing you from going about your own lawful business?

    This is nothing short of a disgrace.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:21 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: yawn

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:03 PM

    @Johnny K: Why do you believe it is OK for the Guards to operate without any lawful authority, Johnny?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:22 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: why do you think it’s OK for people to think they can withdraw free money,when they knew there was an error?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 7:49 PM

    @Johnny K: Let me phrase that the right way for you Johnny.

    Why do you think it was not OK for people to conduct their lawful business?

    And why do you think it was OK for the Guards to act unlawfully?

    The Guards should be an institution that is above reproach. Yet, once again, we see them acting unlawfully.

    This cannot be allowed to go unanswered.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:54 PM

    @ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: so is it the guards that you have a general problem with? Cause the issue was with the muppets thinking they were withdrawing free money plus the 40 calls to the guards reporting issues!!

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    Aug 16th 2023, 10:55 PM

    @Johnny K: what he is trying to say is the people who where trying to access the atm that did have there own money and were moved on.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:15 PM

    When people think there is free money, a scramble breaks out, then fights followed by robbing the people who got the free money,
    I can’t see a big issue with what was done.
    There is too much social media pile-in on by people who pile-in on everything to do with policing, politics, etc.
    Wait until we have SF running the country backwards, then see who complains.
    No many !

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:17 PM

    Reminds me of the time the Gardai were deployed to mind the water meters by the disastrous Enda Kenny.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 8:59 PM

    I am so amused by people remarking that the Gardaì are never to be seen when somebody is being mugged on the street, having their car or whatever property stolen yet they were able to man the ATMs. There is one difference. The Gardaì can’t be aware of when a mugging or whatever takes place and we certainly can’t all expect to have a member of the Gardaì personally escort each of the 5 million plus of us around every day in case we are a victim of crime.

    The irrational and illogical nature to the comments sections on this website are a poor reflection of our people.

    When did the level of discord descend into the gutter?

    These comments sections are so predictable and very much based on the populist and nonsensical babble that spreads so wildly around social media platforms and comments sections online.

    I don’t claim that our policing in Ireland is perfect. Nor do I feel our health system, banks, educational institutions, government etc are perfect. Far from it. There is no reasonable discord whatsoever regarding the same. Just waffle from people who unquestionably repeat the populist soundbites. Childish name calling, trolling and everything seen in layman terms without much critical thinking at all.

    Where has the intelligent and respectful conversation gone?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:19 PM

    @Sun Rise: you got it

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:52 PM

    @Sun Rise: well said !

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    Aug 16th 2023, 11:11 PM

    @Sun Rise: intelligent respectful conversation. Where is the intelligence instatement on how Garda might know an offence is taking place, try the 200,000 emergency calls cancelled between Jan19-Oct 20.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 11:11 PM

    @Sun Rise: Totally in agreement with your views.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 11:16 PM

    @M Bowe: I do recall a prank call to emergency services some days back regarding a missing child and an inflatable.
    I admit I have not read the article on the calls not responded to within the time frame you are referring to but I would also be interested to know the amount of prank calls received during that same time frame referred to.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 10:23 AM

    @Sun Rise: I agree with you on the content of the comments section here generally speaking. It’s getting worse by the day with the Trumpers trumping. But don’t mistake decorum for decency old chum.. authorities have used it as a shield throughout history, not least in the ‘church’. Plenty of people on here avoid ‘foul’ language but come out with highly insulting, sweeping statements about decent folk. The substance is more important than the tone.

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    Mute Sergej Simonov
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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:59 PM

    Withdraw as much as possible, send card to the bank with letter that you closed your account. Full stop.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:44 PM

    Dole scroungers stealing more “free” money…hardly shocking!

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    Aug 17th 2023, 1:10 AM

    @Paul: You mean the banks of course..They had no problem in scrounging the taxpayers money when they brought the country to its knees. The same banks had no qualms in writing off the money owed by Politicians including the scroungers Haughty and Fitzgerald. Now they were scroungers of the highest order..They had no problem with getting free money.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:41 PM

    Beautiful to see most rich expensive country in EU , stealing from ATM …that means a looooootttttt.
    Meaning at least some thing wrong at the official GDP not the people.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:45 PM

    @ibrahim Sudane: plenty of high paying work in this country and opportunities….trouble is like last night demonstrated people want it handed to them.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 12:25 PM

    The first political party to reduce TD salaries will waltz in.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:06 PM

    Bring back Enda Kenny : we need the army protecting banks….

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:26 PM

    @Mike Finnegan: Along with Kenny’s imaginary friends the banks property will be secure. Wonder what Kenny’s two pint man thinks of the price increase..Good job the water charges he supported didn’t come through…Jesus he won’t be able to afford a drink of water not to mind a pint.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:01 PM

    I can’t believe people really thought the money was free. Most (not all) of them were there with ill intent.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 12:18 PM

    I went along earlier to check my balance. I didn’t withdraw any money – no need to accuse people of imaginary crimes.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 11:06 PM

    Why were Garda vehicles completely obstructing ATMs?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 10:21 PM

    Are we actually supposed to believe that people rang the police because queues of people were withdrawing money?!! Absolute nonsense.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 11:04 PM

    It doesn’t explain why Garda vehicles were positioned right up against ATM machines to block entry to same.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:20 PM

    Should’ve had the Army there foopin thieves.. is all they are anyway the dopes that did it will be broke next month and i meam dopes

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    Aug 17th 2023, 12:46 AM

    The gardai overstepped their remit…this is the future of the civil service…as it was its past and its current present…

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    Aug 17th 2023, 1:58 AM

    Fact check please, did Gardai close off access to ATM. If any shred of journalism exists how is this not a bigger story?

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:27 PM

    Is there even a Garda in that picture?

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    Aug 17th 2023, 12:20 PM

    @kevin rock: Hard to tell when they’re all wearing pyjamas!

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    Aug 17th 2023, 12:22 AM

    Bit like when the banks took the public’s money didn’t take long either

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    Aug 16th 2023, 8:30 PM

    I have it from a reliable source it was the lodge in tuckey street cork who ordered the irish cops to man the ATMS…

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    Aug 16th 2023, 8:08 PM

    @john Terry: Dude, just stop. You seem like more of a douche with every comment. Nobody here is taking you seriously so just save your energy.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:42 PM

    Maybe it’s a BoI sick jk to piddle cash on us without having to pay rental charges

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    Aug 16th 2023, 5:47 PM

    @Hindenpeter 2.0:
    Try that in English

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    Aug 17th 2023, 1:06 AM

    40 calls from BOI employees?

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    Aug 17th 2023, 12:04 PM

    @Colin Byrne: It’s hard to imagine that they all work after 8 pm, all the same.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 6:13 PM

    Northern bank,

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    Aug 17th 2023, 4:22 AM

    Lots of our new ‘doctors and engineers’ were very quick to avail of the ‘free’ money. Shows clearly their lower IQ.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 9:29 PM

    You named all the political spokespersons bar Sinn Féin’s. There must be an election on the way.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 11:37 PM

    So what, I just want to know were Roj and John John are.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 10:40 PM

    Run of the bank simulation – pass.

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    Aug 16th 2023, 10:03 PM

    App still ropey, spent a few shillings yday but nothin showing up yet.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 8:18 AM

    Is it not logical? Unusual activity was being reported- higher volumes of people using ATMs. It’s not just the regular atm user there, the free money chancers joined the queue and surely it’s logical that the opportunistic thief or mugger would also turn up? Therefore this is an obvious cause of concern so the Gardai to show presence. At least this might deter a few muggings and pick pockets while people were distracted (stealing their own money from themselves with the inevitable consequences of having to pay it back in some form…. )??

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    Aug 17th 2023, 11:55 AM

    If brought to court because you refuse to pay the money back then just deny you got money. Bank will rely on the same computer system that caused the problem in the first place.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 3:20 PM

    When the Banks assets are threatened or backup for an eviction is needed the Gardai swarm in. Nowhere to be seen when people are brutally assaulted on the streets of our capital.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 7:56 PM

    i rushed an ATM at 4am this monring, but it stood its ground, didnt budge.
    It was a brave ATM.
    Took no guff.
    When i put in my wrong PIN, it told me off. Telling me “incorrect PIN” and then started marking threats of “two more trys left”.
    I left with my tail between my legs. Last time i will try and rush an ATM on my own.

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    Aug 17th 2023, 6:16 PM

    Sunrise,totally right in what you said,the rest are wasters,couldn’t work a day in their live

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    Aug 17th 2023, 1:20 PM

    They’ll have to pay it back. The silly Billy’s.

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