Aleppo didn’t “fall” Larry, it was retaken/liberated by government forces and allies.

When FG introduce Water Charges again in some other guise and FF sign off on them , the whole political spectrum will change significantly…

“killed by a madman”

Jihadist, Larry. Don’t shy away. Especially when highlighting the venue of the murders in Switzerland.

Politics is broken in this country. FF and FG climbing over themselves to be centre at election time, then when they get in, its gross mismamagement as either of them are absolutely clueless at running the country.

Seems the problem for the MSM and the Establishment isn’t so much the hallowing out of the middle class, austerity, homelessness and the concentration of all the fruits of economic growth on the 1% – but rather the effects that this obscenity might have on the way people vote!

We really should have started voting for “populists” and “extremists” decades ago…..

There are a couple of reasons why the Far Right hasnt taken off in Ireland:

- Many Irish people associate the term “rightwing” with social-conservatism in general, including the dark days of sexual-repression that included bans on divorce, condoms, homosexuality and the suppression of racy magazines. The support of some nationalist politicians like Geert Wilders for LGBT rights shows the concept of “Left-Right” may be outdated as a blanket definition of every political party or politician.

- Anti immigration candidates have been subject to violence and death threats by a well organised Far Left movement. This was most noticeable in the anti-Pegida riots last year which were a disgraceful attack on freedom of assembly and free speech.

- The Irish media are broadly “liberal” in either the classical free market or Leftist sense. The free market argues for open borders, while the Left argues for freedom of movement for reasons of multiculturalism. The growing concentration of media ownership helps limit debate in the MSM.

However…

That does not mean we are necessarily set for a return to the discredited “Two and a half party system”. I dont think we are a very ideological people. A recent poll finds only around 10% don’t believe in God, compared to around 40% in the UK. The RCC still controls nearly all the schools, but RCC teaching on moral issues is increasingly rejected. There is a growth of the Hard Left in the cities – yet FG also did badly in rural Ireland which is more conservative. One similarity with the US electorate is a growing education-divide, with the down-and-out rejecting the Establishment. In the US it was possible to do this within the existing party system through primaries. Ireland does not have primaries, meaning you can only buck the system by voting for Independents or new parties. But Irish voters have always distrusted new parties because of the influence of the Civil War, and so mostly turn to Independents instead. Meanwhile the Labour vote has largely gone to the Hard Left parties or leftwing Independents.

I would be quite happy for the “New Politics” to continue. A slower passage of legislation makes it harder to rubber stamp ill considered and possibly unconstitutional legislation.

Thankfully we don’t have to worry about those eejits in Identity Crisis Ireland or whatever that two-person party Justin Barrett tried to put together recently, in this country. I think I got more votes than Identity Crisis Ireland and I wasn’t even running in the election.

I think only about 20 clowns showed up at that Pegida event in Dublin city centre as well so the far-right is non-existent in Ireland, that won’t change ever.

I doubt if there is anything can be done with the Irish, they are a very thick race. I had hoped the EU would introduce good government in line with the treaty wordings, but they have failed to enforce their own directives like the SEA Directive and they allowed the Green minority to dictate. The EU failed to heed warning that their renewable energy policy was flawed. They also failed to heed warnings from UNECE on the Aarhus Convention. So there is no hope of Ireland bettering its government and no hope of the EU bettering Ireland. All we have is all the wrongs things. We need to decide on a model of government and go for it, I would go for Iceland or Switzerland, and get out of the EU fast . But, that is not on offer now, so all we can do is stay at home on election day, don’t vote.

FF and FG are centre right parties and enjoy much support although that support is slightly declining. There is no far right in Ireland and I fail to see how a far right could hope realistically gain real and prolonged traction in Ireland.

The left wing is splintered and is still protest in its nature, not assertive of coherent and pragmatic philosophy.

That leaves the centre right in position for a long time to come.

What is wrong with the ongoing shift to the left and Independents?

Look at where FG and FF have gotten us in recent decades especially.

A minority govt. at least means it is not able to do much to worsen an already fractured society. I honestly do not see why there is any desire to keep things the way they are anymore, in fact I think there is a long term shift and the election showed that to a limited extent.

People who want the ‘Centre’(FF AND FG are predominantly rightwing parties, not Centrist) to hold are those who support the status quo.

Why are all these head the balls on this tread? Telling us about their miserable lives in America

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