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Sasko Lazarov

Why aren't unused army barracks used to provide shelter for the homeless?

The Minister for Defence told the Dáil that many vacant units are in a “very poor state of repair”.

ARMY BARRACKS ARE not considered for use to provide shelter for the homeless in many cases because they are in a “very poor state of repair” according to Minister for Defence Paul Kehoe.

Kehoe was responding last month to a parliamentary question from Dublin Fingal TD Clare Daly.

His comments came a day before a record number of rough sleepers on the streets of Dublin were reported by the Dublin Regional Homeless Executive (DRHE).

The Wexford TD told Daly that his department was committed to “providing whatever assistance possible” to support the government’s overall strategy at tackling the problem of homelessness.

He said that his department was engaging with local authorities in relation to the handing over of property “that is no longer required for military purposes or housing”.

Kehoe said that, since 2014, part of St Bricin’s military installation had been made available to Dublin City Council to be used as emergency accommodation.

This area provides space for 27 beds.

However, there are a number of issues with using unused barracks en masse as emergency accommodation.

Kehoe said: “It should be noted that particular issues arise in relation to providing accommodation to civilians within an operational military barracks, foremost amongst them being security.

Furthermore, many vacant former housing units on barracks premises are in very poor state of repair. Their condition is inconsistent with the standard that would be required for living accommodation and a significant investment in both cost and time would be required in order to make them habitable and compliant with current health and safety legislation.

Read: ‘Extremely worrying’: A record high of 184 people are now sleeping rough in Dublin

Read: ‘Perhaps that wasn’t the question’: Taoiseach may have misunderstood homelessness question

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:20 AM

    A healthy aspect of the US is that people, ordinary people, still have the courage to speak truth to power.

    Sadly, an IRS audit will soon be on the way, with a litany of checks by the Immigration and other services.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:39 AM

    @Paul Laing: …so not very healthy then.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:46 AM

    @Cormac Ó Braonáin: healthy that people still stand up to to a nasty government. Unhealthy that they pay the price of their principles.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:53 PM

    @Paul Laing: the treatment of this woman shows the way in which social media will dominate affairs for some time to come. The same would have happened to Obama if he was in power now. Only a shame that Clinton didn’t dine out here.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 2:41 PM

    @Paul Laing: Whether or not you like her politics, it’s discrimination based on her political beliefs which is illegal.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 4:18 PM

    @Nigel Norris: Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US supreme court recently ruled that discrimination on moral or religious grounds is ok, but of course, once someone from the alt-right is affected, you lot scream about discrimination, whereas if someone is truly discriminated against on grounds of their race, sexuality, or gender, you stay silent

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    Jun 24th 2018, 4:57 PM

    @Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: I’m not a Trump supporter, nor am I alt right. This wasn’t a decision based on morals or religion, it was based on her political affiliations.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 5:09 PM

    @Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: ‘discrimation….is ok’…. that’s a lie.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 5:11 PM

    @Paul Laing: speak true to a social media explosion which will speak true to huge publicity which will speak true to huge profits. Excellent marketing by restaurant.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 6:56 PM

    @Nigel Norris: the owner found her political beliefs to be immoral making it a moral issues

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:21 AM

    The restaurant should have taken her order and then brought something completely different to the table.
    When Sarah complained that it wasn’t what she had asked for, then the restaurant should have just lied, claimed it was what she asked for and blamed Hilary and Obama.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:41 AM

    @alphanautica: lies and fake food :)

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:23 AM

    @alphanautica: And then offer thoughts and prayers………..

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:03 PM

    @Paul Furey: Warm condolences

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:37 AM

    The restaurant are out of order there. I know they have the right not to serve them but refusing to do so because she works for someone the owner dislikes is a bit OTT.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:58 AM

    @John A. Dixon: it was about far more than who her employer is.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:22 AM

    @John A. Dixon: would you say it’s on par with refusing to bake someone a wedding cake because you disagree with their sexuality? (Bare in mind this is now supported by law) I think this is in the same vein, in the u.s.a you may now refuse service for moral/religious grounds. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:52 PM

    @David Edwards: the Supreme Court recently decided that the state agency was guilty of bias against religion and invalidated its action. It did not hold to a wider principle that retailers are allowed to discriminate against customers. That will be decided on another day.

    Refusing service because you detest the attitude and values of a high profile public person who may cause dissension and risk is perfectly acceptable.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 4:33 PM

    @David Edwards: great comment.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 4:40 PM

    @David Edwards: As a gay person, i totally agree with u. Appalling to refuse anyone based on politics, sexuality or social leaning.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 6:01 PM

    @John A. Dixon: why?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 6:59 PM

    @Paul Whitehead: funnily enough it was an LGBT member of staff that raised the issue with the owner.

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    Jun 25th 2018, 11:03 AM

    @John A. Dixon: Eh…. like the bakery that refused to make a cake for the gay couple and all the republicans jumped on board defending that business owners right to refuse service because of their own beliefs. I fail to see the difference in this case. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:28 AM

    Publicity stunt disguised as taking a moral stance.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:16 AM

    @Peter Denham: the decision was too prompt to have been a considered strategy.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:33 AM

    @Paul Laing: Not sure, it’s trendy now for businesses to court controversy etc. Could easily have spotted the opportunity on a whim.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:52 AM

    @Peter Denham: probably not. It looks like an instinctive revulsion against an odious personality.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:04 PM

    @Peter Denham: These right wing clowns can’t understand why people don’t like torturing children. The blank mindless idiocy of them.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:55 PM

    @Sean O’Nilbud:

    Torturing? Do explain.
    2014 under the Obama admin…Gets interesting at 12:10mins
    https://www.pbs.org/video/trafficked-in-america-pppgmt/

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:58 PM

    @Paul Laing: but always make sure to tweet your instinctive reaction afterwards.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:34 PM

    @Native: of course,it’s all Obama’s fault! If only he wasn’t President…oh,wait a minute…

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    Jun 24th 2018, 7:18 PM

    @Peter Denham: Or very unprofessional, will lose customers because of it.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:21 AM

    Good for the restaurant, This SS style of government should not be tolerated or condoned by right-thinking people.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:37 AM

    @Dot Com: wow.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:56 PM

    @Dot Com: Utter nonsense go crawl back under your rock

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    Jun 24th 2018, 6:35 PM

    @Robert Preston: Very original comment, Or did you get help from an adult with it.

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    Jun 25th 2018, 10:34 AM

    @Dot Com: if it was an ss style government there would not be any lgbt protestors to worry about now,would there ?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:26 AM

    If this was a restaurant in Ireland we would have just given out about her behind her back – the cheek of your one coming in here – and then gone out and been all nice and pie – bejaysus and begorrah mam soft day thank our Heavenly Father I hope the food is to your liking have you been out the West Of Ireland oh you’d love it out there bejaysus and begorrah oh you haven’t got a raincoat you can have mine I wasn’t using it anyway – and then back inside – the absolute neck on your one coming in here like Lady Godiva and then she says give me your raincoat will you it’s no wonder she got to where she is with that attitude!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:32 AM

    @Sean: ouch. Too true.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:07 PM

    @Sean: What a fascinating insight into your family.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:09 PM

    @Sean: is that not the English gran in the comedy sketches …. f¥€king liberties …

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    Jun 25th 2018, 7:49 AM

    @Sean: My God.. you are light years behind the times! You must be a’quiet man fan’? With that language….LOL

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:53 AM

    I’m trying to understand this… liberals refuse service to a conservative and she politely goes, offering to pay for the food she never received. Conservatives refuse service to liberals and it has to go through government via law suits, outrageous fines, and all the way to the Supreme Court. And the right is extreme?!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:56 AM

    @Dj: Susan Sanders was not refused service because she is conservative.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:11 AM

    @Dj: there is an element of hypocrisy alright but a huge difference here is she is part of an administration that actively create laws against people. People buying a cake for a personal celebration have no power to enact laws. Sanders saying she is polite and respectful is just a lie as we have all seen how she talks to journalists.
    I think the restaurant are in the wrong all the same. She is effectively doing her job as she is meant to

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:34 AM

    @Dj: Now now,if you’re going to give a one eyed view pretending not to understand any nuance,at least don’t leave out the bit where she “politely” used an official White House social media account to attack the restaurant for their stance,and maybe even try and come up with an excuse why that’s not a huge abuse of her power.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:40 AM

    @Dj: You don’t understand the difference between being a worker and propagandist for a proto-fascist regime and simply being gay?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:55 AM

    @Dj: you don’t like liberals, it seems.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:07 PM

    @Paul Laing: I love everyone Tony.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:13 PM

    @Dj: evidently not, David Q.

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    Jun 25th 2018, 7:51 AM

    @Dj She didn’t pay for the food…The American tax payer did, She must fell as big a clown as trump!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:35 AM

    I think this is a disgusting thing to do. Restaurants should not be allowed to refuse to serve people because you don’t agree with them.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:43 AM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: A guy appears on the news and talks about how great paedophilia is.He then walks into your business,should you have the right to refuse to serve him?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:53 AM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: controversial and nasty people can quickly spoil the vibe in a Restaurant.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:53 AM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: it’s a tricky 1. I would be on the side of the Christian bakers who were targeted by the gay couple. It’s the owners business and they can do as they well please which if they’re ok with it then they will lose out on business. It should be a free world! Government’s around the world more and more tell their citizens how to live their lives. Take this country for example we take instructions from government be it guidelines fines or taxes but yet they can’t run squat themselves, look at every department nothing but ineptitude. People should be let do what they want provided there’s no pollution corruption or assault of any kind going on.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:54 AM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: If you were a fundamentalist christian homophobic baker and two guys came into your shop and ordered a wedding cake………

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:39 AM

    @Larry Doyle
    Depends if they drove several hundred miles, passing multiple bakeries that would have baked their cake with no problem, only they drove to that particular bakery looking for offence & outrage, It says more about the gay couple.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:44 AM

    @Native: How many bakeries are people allowed to pass before they lose the right not to be discriminated against? “I refused to serve this man because he’s black,but in my defence your honour,he walked past 3 other establishments that would cater to his needs before entering mine”. Oh right,case dismissed.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:53 AM

    @Michael Hennessy: lol, you love using pedophila in your comments. Strange!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:07 PM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: He obviously hit a nerve with you.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:25 PM

    @Michael Hennessy:
    They set out and singled out this particular baker because of his religious views, that’s discrimination, it’s as plain as day what they were doing bu they got a taste of their own medicine.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/christian-baker-who-refused-to-make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple-wins-us-supreme-court-case-36977909.html

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:32 PM

    @Native: So refusing somebody’s business because they’re gay is not discrimination,but asking a Catholic to make you a cake when you are gay is? That’s some incredible logic there buddy.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:42 PM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: Simple question Naoimh that you know you can’t answer without being a massive hypocrite.Point proved.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:19 AM

    Love it..

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:22 AM

    @The Viking: It’s great to see the fascist and racist Trump regime being called out like this.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:01 AM

    You don’t have to be a supporter of the Trump administration, and to be fair very few are, to see the problems with what the restaurant did on this occasion. It was discrimination, pure and simple. If the victim of the discrimination was black or Irish, or gay or Jewish, the outrage would be off the radar. But because of who was involved a lot of people will just shrug their shoulders or even applaud the action, without realising the danger inherent in such a response. It is another step on the path to fascism.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:10 AM

    @Garry Coll: but the point is that it was not any of the ifs that you referred to.

    An especially nasty person, a mouth piece for Trump’s inhumane policies of separating children from parents, a highly controversial and divisive person, was politely asked to leave a restaurant.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:18 AM

    @Garry Coll: Refusing to serve a person who uses her government office to defend child abuse,lies to the American people 10 times a day and has tried to undermine the judiciary,freedom of the press and law enforcement is not “another step on the road to facism”. She is the fascist and people should never stop highlighting that.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:21 AM

    @Michael Hennessy: that is well and nobly said.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:58 AM

    @Michael Hennessy: Despite what you may wish, she is in fact the representative of democracy, the representative of the free vote of the American people and the President that they elected. He might not be your choice, probably wouldn’t have been my own had there been a viable alternative, but that is the reality. To discriminate against her in the way the restaurant did is to reject democracy, and the only people to benefit when democracy is undermined are the fascists.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:39 PM

    @Garry Coll: You’ve completely ignored the points I’ve made and the fact she wasn’t refused service because of who she works for.She was refused service because she’s trampling all over democracy and is a disgusting person but you’re arguing that because she works for Donald Trump,she’s immune from any of the consequences of her actions and saying that’s the way to stop the rise of facism? Do you realise how ridiculous that logic is?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 4:56 PM

    @Paul Laing: What about a warmonger like Obama/Clinton. There is an incredible amount of intolerance shown towards republicans. They won the election get over it.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 8:57 PM

    @Michael Hennessy: I think your comment makes my point. You seem to think that discrimination is only applicable to the causes with which you agree, while if it happens to people you don’t like, well just tough shit. I disagree, if we want to live in a world of equality and equal opportunity then it is with those that we dislike as well as those that we favour. The action of the restaurant was wrong, and plays into the hands of the people for whom civic unrest is their ambition, otherwise known as fascists.

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    Jun 25th 2018, 11:36 AM

    @Garry Coll: Yeah Ok Garry,you’re right.Of course the way to combat facism is to show actual fascists that their behaviour has no consequences and if history has taught us anything it’s that once they see that they’ll tone down their fascist actions.I look forward to the world giving in to facism in order to stop it’s rise and I’m amazed we don’t use that tactic in more situations. You want to stop your partner cheating on you? Then you need to show him/her that there’s no consequences for their action. Your neighbour keeps blocking your driveway? Say nothing and he’ll stop eventually and you’ll stop the rise of facism. Genius!!!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:17 AM

    We don’t like to serve your nasty type here.

    Sarah Sanders is not part of a minority and the Restaurant was entitled to 86 her. It was not discriminatory.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:24 AM

    @Paul Laing: she was asked to leave basically for her political views. That’s discrimination.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:28 AM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: And everybody knows Sarah thinks that type of discrimination should be reserved for gay people who want to have a cake made.

    By the way,defending the use of child abuse as a deterrent to immigration is not a “political view”,it’s an abhorrent view that disgusts any decent person no matter what their politics are.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:29 AM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: neither in the State of Virginian or elsewhere I are political views or nasty actions a legal category of discrimination.

    I don’t think that the restaurant should have declined to serve but the restaurant owner was legally and politically free to take the decision. It was a brave, principled and effective form of protest.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:30 AM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: wrong, she was asked to leave because she is serving the US population a daily web of propaganda and lies. Why should she expect the restaurant’s service?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:45 AM

    @Michael Hennessy: nobody has ever been asked to leave because they wanted a cake made or to eat a cake off a menu l, just if they requested a type of political thing the outlet did not provide.

    she WASN’t asking for a trump cake , a political or a right wing cake with a political or topping with a message on it. She was there to eat the same as everybody else with the same menu as everybody else! . She was discriminated against only because of who she worked for not because of what she asked to be made specially for her! Total discrimination in this case

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:52 AM

    @Greg Kelly: a restaurant depends on an affable and pleasant environment, a positive vibe of people enjoying a social night out. Having the likes of the odious Susan Sanders in such a public place will on,y spoil the vibe and potentially irritate decent and fair minded customers who don’t support nasty behavior by their government. There is the danger of rows breaking out. Health and Safety wise, decisively removing the source of discord and the spoiler of the atmosphere is the sensible hospitality approach.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:55 AM

    @Greg Kelly: Being gay is not a political statement Greg,nor is wanting to celebrate your marriage and it’s weird that you think it is but Sarah Sanders was not asked to leave because she works for the American government.She was asked to leave because her actions disgust the owners.Do you think one of Trumps secret service men would be refused service,or the White House cook or janitor? No they wouldn’t so if you think it’s discrimination,fine but let’s not mix up the issue here.Sarah Sanders is a horrible human being in her own right.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:01 AM

    @Paul Laing:
    Standing up to a nasty government is standing in front of a Commie tank in Tienanmen square, This is nothing but discrimination based on her political view and who she works for. dance around it all you like, It’s discrimination.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:06 AM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: no it isn’t. Point me to the law stating this please.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:18 AM

    @Native: it is not legally recognized duscrimination under the Laws of Virginia. The restaurant owner was entitled to refuse service. Sarah Sanders is not a member of a minority group.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:51 AM

    @Michael Hennessy: child abuse!? Wow lovely language to stir up emotion.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:13 PM

    @Paul Laing: it was very deliberately discriminatory and self promoting. But tough titty , she deserved it.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:52 PM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: You don’t think separating kids from their parents,many of whom are coming from political persecution and abject poverty is abuse? Glad I didn’t grow up in your house!!!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:08 PM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: by your logic every disagreement of opinion is discrimination

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:47 PM

    @Naoimh Ó Murchadha: But refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple, or refusing to let trans women use the ladies is not discrimination, is it? You should check your hypocrisy

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:50 PM

    @Greg Blake: Yeah, not all discrimination is illegal or wrong.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:39 AM

    100% publicity stunt and look how good it worked!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:12 AM

    @Nigel: Me thinks another resignation is on the cards soon… Revolving door…

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:24 AM

    Sarah Sanders felt it was unethical to refuse to serve her.She expressed her disgust at this unethical behaviour by tweeting about it,thereby breaking the ethics code put in place for official White House social media accounts.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:33 PM

    @Michael Hennessy: I’m not sure the White House is or has ever been big on ethics

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:12 AM

    Sarah Sanders looking to be treated with respect at a restaurant. Fair enough. But she needs to respect herself first and quit making excuses for the Reality TV president who has no respect for people, law, tradition, children or his office. Respect, indeed.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:25 AM

    @Martello Mulligan: yes, resale to is earned. Disrespect is also earned and Sarah Sanders more than earned her disrespect and contempt.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:26 AM

    Respect has to be earned and disrespect has been earned in this case.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:26 PM

    Why was my comment taken down, does the Journal not allow any criticism of the Clintons?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 4:43 PM

    @Edward Smith: of course it does. There’s criticism of them posted on practically every article irrespective of the the topic.

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    Jun 25th 2018, 7:55 AM

    @EillieEs: Don’t tell me you’re comparing the clintons with that lunatic trump??

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    Jun 25th 2018, 10:49 AM

    @Edward Smith: What has this article got to do with the Clintons??

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:31 PM

    People forget to understand that the Press Secretary does not give his/her thoughts or opinions on what the President or executive branch says or does. Their job must be completely neutral and only convey to the press the Presidents and/or the executive branch’s views and reasonings behind the actions. Sanders is basically communicating these views to the press.

    So much for the “tolerant liberal” crap…

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:41 PM

    @Dumb as a Rock Mika: except that Sarah Sanders is not neutral . She is a passionate advocate for Trump’s policies and went totally overboard in her advocacy for the forcible separation of children and family, a policy which even Trump had to retrench from.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:51 PM

    @Paul Laing: We simply don’t know if that is the case. It might be but again we don’t know. Sarah cannot give a personal opinion on any executive action.

    She gives the Presidents View. If she comes across as extremely passionate in that view, we must assume that passion reflects the Presidents passion.

    The Press Secretary is not a position for a discussion of that persons passions or interests. Next time you hear Sarah talk about a Trump policy, imagine that to be Trump. Because that’s what her job is.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:59 PM

    @Dumb as a Rock Mika: So you’re saying when she says things she knows to be lies,racist,bigoted,dangerous to society and democracy etc. “She’s just following orders”. I’m sure I’ve seen that excuse used before,can’t remember where though.Maybe you can help?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:02 PM

    @Paul Laing: Oh grow up . Since when do Restaurants make moral judgement on people . Just another intolerant liberal
    This may be perceived as non toxic 10/10

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:11 PM

    @Dumb as a Rock Mika: Agree completely she is doing her job. Think the restaurant is wrong myself but Sanders described herself as polite and respectful which no mater your leanings is an outright lie. It can be seen that she treats the press with contempt and very poor manners. People can justify her job but not how she approaches it.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:13 PM

    @Michael Hennessy: That’s exactly what I’m saying, Michael. The role of a press secretary is not to give their opinions and views about anything. That is the same whether it’s the US press secretary or the press secretary for a private organization.

    Their job is to convey to the press, and thereby to the public, the views of the administration or organization on a matter. You might not like what the role entails but that’s what it entails.

    The interesting thing is that when this administration ends, Sarah will be viewed as one of the most qualified and sought after press secretaries in the world, even by organizations who completely disagree with Trumps policies. The reason being is that she conveys the beliefs and reasonings of the people making decisions. Her agreement or disagreement is completely irrelevant.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:27 PM

    @Kal Ipers: I would say her treatment of the press reflects perfectly the views of Trump regarding the press. And dealing with the media everyday could possibly lead to having contempt for them.

    But I’m fine with that. The media is supposed to take an adversarial and antagonistic view of what they hear from these people, whether government or private organizations.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:30 PM

    @Dumb as a Rock Mika: Yep,I’m sure Goebels would have said the same after the war,it’s what all the officers in the Hague said.Her views might be irrelevant in the context that if she doesn’t say these things they’ll find somebody else to,but it doesn’t excuse the fact that her being the public face of those views and policies makes her complicit. She might be just following orders but she made a choice to defend the indefensible and consistently lie to the American public.This makes her a horrible human being and history will rightly remember her as such. I’ll say it again,she wasn’t refused service because of Trumps actions,she was refused because of her own actions which are abhorrent,whether she’s just following orders or not.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:56 AM

    ….. and now the backlash from Trump and Co. I hope that restaurant has filed all its tax returns correctly and its employee paperwork is in order.
    Standing up to bullies is the only way to get through to them.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:37 AM

    @Gerry Caden: are you suggesting the Trump regime is petty enough to use its power to punish those who disagree with it?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:36 AM

    I hope that restaurant is brought to its knees and shut down.that is pathetic behaviour.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:35 AM

    @Seriously stunned: you misspelled “appropriate behaviour”

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    Jun 24th 2018, 6:07 PM

    @David Edwards: do you really think that someone should be refused service because of the job they do.youre a sad person if you do.

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    Jun 25th 2018, 5:05 AM

    @Seriously stunned: do you really think a private business shouldn’t have the right to refuse service?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:23 PM

    Her reason for not serving is pathetic.. is she aware that for almost 8 years Obama refused to let transgender people serve in the arm forces and only allowed it in the last weeks of his two terms?. In doing so he was just being mischievous and making trouble for Trump..

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:27 PM

    @Stephen Duffy: he was blocked by republicans.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 5:01 PM

    @Paul A Whelan: not so.. there were times Obama had control of both houses and didn’t need Republican backing.

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    Jun 25th 2018, 10:53 AM
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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:46 AM

    Sarah should be asked to leave the planet

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:25 AM

    Great to see the people that voted him in or did t go out to vote finally fighting back ,

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:45 AM

    The business owner has the right to refuse service to whoever she likes, for whatever reason.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 3:22 PM

    @Daniel Donovan: So you would be OK with them refusing to serve black people?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 3:22 PM

    @Daniel Donovan: So you would be OK with them refusing to serve black people?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 3:29 PM

    @Edward Smith: I wouldn’t agree with it but if the restaurant is privately owned they have the right to refuse you their service. In saying that, I feel the business would lose a lot of custom as a result.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 3:30 PM

    @Edward Smith: Or black people refusing to serve a white person.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:49 AM

    You see this is the proper way to treat these people who keep that bozo trump were he is time to stand by your views

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:29 PM

    The risen and b o brien are no where to be seen. Would love to know if they agree with this stance by the Restaurant owner

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:19 AM

    The irony is that it was Sarah Sanders who draw public attention to this matter.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:25 AM

    Private business, fair enough, can do what they like. Cue the people cheering this while admonishing bakers for not making gay wedding cakes. HYPOCRITES!!!!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:31 AM

    @Sean O Neill: i’ve never heard of a gay wedding cake. I know that some people are gay but I did not think that objects could be gay. Amazing.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:34 AM

    @Paul Laing: Well, the more you know…

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:38 AM

    @neilo: Who’s Jack? Is he single?? ;-)

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:40 AM

    @Paul Laing: Well if hospital buildings can have religions then why not?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:41 AM

    @Sean O Neill: definitely single

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:41 AM

    @Sean O Neill: have you any more stuff like that? You are hilarious. More, more.

    You remind me of a gay Trump.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:42 AM

    @Michael Hennessy: indeed.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:43 AM

    @Sean O Neill: she WASN’t asking for a trump cake , a political or a right wing cake with a political or topping with a message on it. She was there to eat the same as everybody else with the same menu! . She was discriminated against only because of who she worked for not because of what she asked to be made specially for her! Total discrimination in this case

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:44 AM

    @Paul Laing: Have you met a gay trump?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:48 AM

    @Greg Kelly: aw!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:53 AM

    @Sean O Neill: A person doesn’t have a choice about being gay. That’s why refusing service on that basis is discriminatory. Sarah Sanders chooses to work for Trump and back up his lies and inhumane policies. This isn’t discrimination unless you think being gay is a choice as well.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:55 AM

    @neilo: What’s with the (((triple parentheses)))? Am I Jewish or something?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:55 AM

    @Sean O Neill: I think that Trump may be homosexually inclined.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:58 AM

    @Fred O’Connor: Yes but we have a wide selection of bakeries to choose from. Don’t wanna make the cake? Fine, I’ll take my money elsewhere. Simple.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:00 AM

    @Paul Laing: chuckle chuckle a gay wedding cake sounds like a new Hargreaves book Mr Gay Wedding Cake and his pal Quentin Crisps

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:08 AM

    @neilo: Cool thanks.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:12 AM

    @Greg Kelly: A right wing cake with a political topping sounds lovely Greg.Stick me down for 2.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:12 AM

    @Gaz Barclay Dunnes: that’s excellent! Thanks.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:14 AM

    @Sean O Neill: Like all those black people in America. “Your establishment is white only? Well I’ll take my business elsewhere,good day to you sir”

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:31 AM

    @Michael Hennessy: It’s different if the entire society is structured in such a way (it’s not btw) Why do you think it’s okay for the government to take people away, at gun point, for not making a cake?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:40 AM

    @Sean O Neill: I don’t think guns have any place in a non violent dispute about human rights Sean and I dont defend peoples actions just because they’re on my side of the argument,but nice deflection all the same.Refusing to serve somebody because they’re black is no different to refusing to serve somebody because they’re gay,whether the government supports your stance or not.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:48 AM

    @Michael Hennessy: It’s not a deflection. It’s obviously unethical to discriminate against or refuse to serve people based on arbitrary characteristics, no disagreement there. However, if you want the state to enforce it, that’s a different matter entirely. It shouldn’t be illegal to be an asshòle.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:47 PM

    @Sean O Neill: Its not illegal to be an a##hole,it’s illegal to discriminate against somebody because of race or sexuality. You don’t think it should be illegal to refuse to serve somebody because they’re black?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 2:39 PM

    @Michael Hennessy: No I don’t. If someone wants to run a business like that and get a reputation for being a dick, thereby hurting their business, I say let them. I think we should have universal laws and not specials laws, just for minorities.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 9:36 PM

    @Sean O Neill: minorities are the ones needing protection, including from people like from you.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:31 AM

    How can you call someone a “class act” when they are the mouth piece and a supporter of the Orleans newest fascist regime?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:32 AM

    @2thFairy: not sure how Orleans got in my post. Pity we can’t do quick edits when we’ve posted.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:37 AM

    @2thFairy: its a pity you can’t type something worth editing.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:35 AM

    The shame. A woman, forcibly separated from her dinner.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:49 AM

    @John Condon: that really does put it in real context.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 3:58 PM

    I don’t agree with you so I won’t serve you – complete opposite of democracy

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    Jun 24th 2018, 5:11 PM

    @Benny: or democracy at its best

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:49 AM

    Weren’t these the same people celebrating service being denied to gay people for no reason! Can’t exactly complain when someone exercises their ‘right’ to refuse service now can you. Hypocrites! What’s good for the goose etc and all that!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:00 AM

    @David McDermott: There are hypocrites on both sides, remember that.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:26 AM

    @Sean O Neill: I don’t agree with her being refused service but seeing as they’ve no problem denying service to gay people they can’t actually expect that they are the only people who get the right to discriminate.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 3:21 PM

    I wouldn’t even care, but what really bothers me is that the same people who think that this is okay are the ones who think that a Christian bakery should be punished for refusing to bake a gay wedding cake. Either you think that the owners of a business should be able to refuse service to whoever they want, or that that they shouldn’t be allowed to discriminate. Anything else or in between is just pure hypocrisy.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 6:03 PM

    @A Curious Mind: Then two wrongs dont make a right . You cant have it both ways.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 9:34 PM

    @A Curious Mind: it is not all or no one. There are good reasons and there are bad reasons.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:25 PM

    I’m not sure if the correct response to this situation is:

    ‪A. Womp womp‬
    ‪B. Thoughts and prayers‬
    ‪C. I really don’t care, do u‬?
    ‪D. All of the above.‬

    ‪I’m gonna go with D.‬

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:37 AM

    To “Sander” will become an expression for declining public hospitality service to controversial and obnoxious person whose presence could be offensive to other customers.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:13 AM

    This American despot is attempting to claw his way to unassailable power, and S.S. is his GOP mouthpiece – as clear a threat to democracy, using her notoriety to bring bigot hatred down on this restaurant.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:40 PM

    Was the boycott not invented in Ireland?

    Read an article the other day about younger people working in the Trump administration not getting any because prospective partners run a mile when they hear who they work for. The guy is absolutely toxic.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:45 PM

    @Crom Cruach: yes, the term “Boycott” was first used by James Daly of the Connaught Telegraph Newspaper during the Land agitation who with the local Parish Priest organized the ostracisation of Captain Boycott. The expression “Boycott” was used repeatedly by the PP in mobilizing a complete and effective embargo on Boycott’s Estate.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:31 AM

    The seem to like their mexican restaraunts.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:06 PM

    When this sort of thing happened in Germany during the 1930′s brown shirt Nazi supporters would arrive, smash the place up and give the owner a good hiding. We don’t hear of this happening so far in America, but it is heading that way.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:22 PM

    @Chris Kirk: Trump and his ilk are an aberration. Fascism is a threat in many places but the US has an inbuilt resistance to fascism because of individualism.

    We see the daily opposition to Trump and his outlook. Trump is too divisive. He fractures, disunites, causes dissension and stirs up bad stuff. That has a short sell by date.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:26 PM

    @Chris Kirk: people need to stand up to and challenge this this version of social nationalist socialism. S S is a a prefect representation of the school yard bully.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 12:28 PM

    @Paul Laing: well said

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    Jun 24th 2018, 5:38 PM

    Well done to the restaurant

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:35 AM

    Sarah was Sandered.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 1:44 PM

    @Paul Laing: Michael Lang it’s nice to have you back but for the love of god try posting everything in one comment.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 9:33 PM

    @Peter Denham: I have been called 5 different names. Why are you not able to mute me? You sound a little obsessional.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 11:47 PM

    @Paul Laing: Quite enjoy some of your posts. Just annoying when you post a bunch of after thoughts all over the place.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 7:21 PM

    Should have treated her like royalty… then asked her to leave. BTW – is she not breaking the ethics code she purports to support by tweeting about it???

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    Jun 24th 2018, 10:58 AM

    Fight these lying fascist GOP clowns everywhere you find them…well done to that restaurant…S.S. is an unashamed apologist for trump

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    Jun 24th 2018, 6:01 PM

    Restaurant is within its rights to refuse anybody they feel are not suitable patrons. She would put everyone off !

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    Jun 24th 2018, 4:53 PM

    Love it!

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    Jun 24th 2018, 6:01 PM

    Silly stunt for this Restaurant . Imagine if Saunders was black or one of her party were would they refuse them service NO they would not .
    I wish the journals snowflakes o meter would disappear Not likely to to be percieved as Toxic 00/10

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    Jun 24th 2018, 9:31 PM

    @Robert Preston: I don’t think that it was snowing. It is summer.

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    Jun 25th 2018, 4:34 AM

    What advice would Sarah have for the Pope when he wants to dine in Dublin?

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    Jun 24th 2018, 7:13 PM

    Detroit

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    Jun 25th 2018, 8:01 AM

    Ah, so liberal!

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    Jun 25th 2018, 2:08 AM

    Hypocrisy and “tolerance” on display.

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    Jun 24th 2018, 7:25 PM

    sarah is a loud mouth mouth republican

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    Jun 14th 2019, 12:22 AM

    Professional liar seeks employment. Can deflect and bully in equal measure. Can possibly use truth if deemed necessary. Compliant and integrity free.

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