Putin vows to punish killers of Kremlin critic, as opposition condemns "political murder"

‘Under his personal control’…. That just means he’ll wipe the gun clean of finger prints. Putin is s dangerous megalomaniac

To early to speculate over who killed Nemtsov, other than to ask who has most to gain from this foul murder.

Chris. One question. Who has previous for “silencing” critics in Russia?

Not just inside Russia it seems, remember Alexander Litvinenko who was poisoned a few years back in a London cafe/restaurant by agents close to Putin.

Correct Chris. So its not that big of a leap to look to where the orders for this came from. Red Square perhaps?

What would Putin stand to gain from this?

Well, he is minus one strong opposition voice today

One less vocal critic. He was organizing protests against Putin. And Protests can grow to a point you can’t control them anymore. Putin saw what happened with the protests in Prague, Kiev, Budapest and Bucharest. He will not allow any potentially serious opposition to form. So he must kill any protest at birth by removing the leadership.
The fact that Nemtsov managed to stay out of Prison this long must have meant he was squeaky clean and Putin could not make up charges out of thin air. So the only thing left for him to do was have him killed.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens at the rally if it stiill goes ahead.

They are going to try a Funeral March to the Kremlin instead. It won’t be allowed within a mile of it.

This is Priceless. “Russian Authorities are looking into the possibility of tis being an attack by Muslim Extremists”.
Jesus they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel if that is the best they can come up with.

Read the article Neal – Nemtsov was calling for an immediate end to the war in Ukraine and was also preparing a report detailing Russia’s involvement, not to mention the fact that he was one of Putin’s main political opponents.

Putin has 80% approval rating this guy was no direct threat as is being suggested, I cannot say who did but only speculate like the rest of you, however I know little about his business dealings, and the groups he was dealing with.

There are very dangerous people in Russia not just Putin, it is too early to point fingers, although I expect the usual people claiming conspiracy as usual

80% approval according to who?

According to everyone, CNN, Time, Washington Post etc….

Look it up

HGT and they get those figures from Russian (state controlled) media and opinion polls.

All serious commentators and analysists all agree putins approval rating is incredibly high, and has risen since the Ukraine coup.

Forbes etc, none seriously doubt it, but you know better john??? You and some crackpot Fox News shock jocks eh?

Provide a source to support your position, that is reputable and not biased if you can…..

You believe Putin is not massively supported by the people of Russia?

@Mick Jordan,,, you said “HGT and they get those figures from Russian (state controlled) media and opinion polls.”,, my Question is ” as opposed to who,,, feckin RTE

Joe when you have complete control of every media outlet in Russia you can say and print what ever suits your own purpose. If Putin decides he has 80%+ poll ratings then that is what the polls will say. If he says Foreign Agents killed Nemtsov all the Media (TV, Radio and Print) are going to say what he tells them to say irrespective of what the actual facts are.

HGT. Who actually knows what the majority of Russians think of Putin. He may have massive support but on the other hand there could be huge dissent but people are to afraid to voice it. As long as Putin rules with an Iron Fist we will never know. Prime example of what I am talking of was Stalin. Who dared speak out against him when he was alive. If he were still in charge I am sure his popularity rating would be extremely high too because when you are being asked to you support him you knew better than to say No.

&mick

You are an idiot, Putin is Stalin now ruling with iron fist and faking all polls….

And man never landed on the moon eh? And global warming doesn’t exist…..

Support your arguement, provide reliable sources and credible people’s who agree with you

Otherwise you are just a nut with an opinion based on nothing

Nemtsov stood against the war in Ukraine and was due to lead a big pro-democracy rally in Moscow tomorrow.

Correlation does not equal causation

Kennedy was going to move to remove nuclear reactor and weapons from Israel….does that mean Israel killed him…no

This guy was going to lead a rally does that mean that was the reason he was killed…no….maybe but only maybe. What other factors are involved, what is his history, what business dealings did he have, who had notice etc….all these questions need to be asked before reaching conclusions.

Just my opinion of course, but makes sense

HGT. When you have to resort to insults you have already lost the debate.
I see you don’t deny the Russian Government controls all the Russian speaking media in Russia. Nor have you countered any thing I have written. Because you know you can’t.
As for Putin’s Iron Fist. Have you seen any anti Putin protests that are not broken up by the authorities? Have you seen any Russian speaking media that is critical of Putin? How many of Putins opponents have ended up in exile, in Prison, Dead or a mixture of the 3? And you don’t think that is Stalinist!!!

HGT. Here is a question for you. How does a man get shot multiple times within sight of the Kremlin and the Lubyanka the HQ of the FSB, one of the most heavily policed areas in Russia and the assassins being able to get away scot free?
It would be like someone being assassinated outside the J Edgar Hoover building and none of the agents inside responding within seconds and not finding the getaway car until 12 hrs after the incident when the entire area is covered by CCTV.

@Mick,

Putin is extremely popular in Russia, and has enormous popular support, this is a fact. Disputed seemingly by you without anything to support you argument, you don’t like it fair enough, that does not make it untrue. You are arguing with me about an established fact no informed intelligent person does not know, therefore I called you an idiot

Are the press freedoms in Russia perfect, no, they are far from it, but it is not a closed as you paint either, criticism of putin is not forbidden and as closed as you imagine.

However what about press freedoms and standards everywhere else, terrible, media dominated in the US by sources simply spouting government press releases without analysis or critical journalistic checking…..none
Here the same…..just lazy repetition of press releases…..what has happened to the free press of the west, they now seem to be government propaganda outlets without critical analysis. This is not just my opinion, but the considered view of many worried observers of the direction today. Look at the ownership of media empires in the west outside of government owned services, you will see a worrying picture.

Look at the reporting of the Ukraine coup, look at reporting of the manipulations in Ukraine, look at the press just passing on press releases…..its is terrible. Calling their own citizens terrorist? setting the army on there our country? media criticism….none. All after the fact they did the same actions in Kiev themselves before seizing power…..criticism none….analysis none…..weird eh?

Your point about the location of the murder is not great, I would suspect whoever planned it had taken into account simplistic things like camera, and they were in a car, getting away very fast. No mystery there.

Compare that to the crashing of a plane into the pentagon, one of the most secure military installations in the world, with cameras everywhere, all tapes were seized, and none released to the public. Is that ok with you??? does that not stink?

But this dead person had only a small percentage of the vote in Russia. He was more popular with the Western media who are governed by War Mongers like John Mc Cain and western interests trying to prop up the failed $US. The deceased presided in the Russian Government during the time that most of Russia’s resources were stolen from the Russian people. The deceased was part of that mafia like the current owner of a football club in London.

And do you believe the article? Do you have any idea what is happening in the Ukraine? And the corruption of the west there, fir instance, USA vice president joe biden’s son has been elected a director of Ukraine’s biggest gas company..

Hadn’t heard that one Tony, Joe Bidens son ?????

F.F.S. just looked it up…..sticks to high heaven

” Putin is extremely popular in Russia, and has enormous popular support, this is a fact.”
As Avina has al ready said By Who? Polls by state controlled agencies

“Criticism of putin is not forbidden”. Show us Current Russian based media that is Critical of him.

“However what about press freedoms and standards everywhere else, terrible, media dominated in the US by sources simply spouting government press releases without analysis or critical journalistic checking…..none”
By your opinion. Most involved in journalism in the West would disagree with you.

“Look at the reporting of the Ukraine coup”.
What coup? Only Russia and those that support them claim there was a Coup. Everyone else knows that the former Ukrainian President resigned before being impeached by the Parliament on the grounds of criminal activity as stated they could do under the Ukrainian constitution .

“Your point about the location of the murder is not great”
Are you actually serious?. The most heavily guarded and watched location in Russia and the Assassins are able to stop fire multiple aimed shots and not a single Police Officer or FSB agent reacts within seconds to gunfire happening only a few hundred yards away and then drive off without anyone giving chase or being tracked on CCTV!!!

And you believe CNN, Time, Washington Post, The Telegraph, the Sun, the Daily Mail? I suppose you also believe the reasons why the West invaded Iraq? Those western media organisations all print a common story, but is it the truth?? Why have all western media been supporting the MB in Egypt for several years? But now this western subversive activity looks bad because these activists, now popularly known as ISIS are an embarrasment. But the west still wants them to overthrow Assad of Syria so the west can implant a puppet there.

Those who had most to gain from destabilizing Russia: Joe Biden, John McCain, Western Arms dealers like British Aerospace, David Cameron and his right wing cronies, the mafia people like the owner of Chelsea football club who stole billions from the Russian people while Nemtsov was in Government led by the Alcoholic..

You have an active imagination I will give you that. Putin has nothing to gain from this if you look at it logically. The last thing he would want to do is make a martyr of an opposition leader two days before an opposition protest. Putin is many things but not dumb. He wouldn’t risk an escalation of the protest. Have a think about it before kneeling to the ‘Putin is the big bad bogeyman’ rhetoric. We all know where that got us with Saddam, Gaddafi, Bin Laden, etc.

It all stinks to high heaven. You would want to be very brave to be an outspoken critic of Putin in Russia. You’ll end up either in the Gulag or brown bread. Putin is popular in Russia, but it’s nowhere near 80%. We won’t ever know until there is some sort of political freedom and transparency there. Putin tells his people that their army is unstoppable and they love him for it.

@Mick
Had you heard about Joe Bidens Son being placed on the board of Ukraines oil?
Was this widely covered in western media?

Ukrainian president resigned? where did you read that one, he escaped under gunfire, by violent extremists….by people carrying out acts in Kiev, that when occur in the east are now classified as terrorist activities, and the army is shelling and killing people revolting in the same way……the truth is people in the east feel cheated and robbed of their democratic rights and government, and I can see their point.

Double standards? Reported in the west when in Kiev as Democracy demonstrations, and in the east as violent extremists, and terrorists……cant you see any problems with this blatant hypocrisy?

Where is it questioned, where is the analysis where is the exposing of hypocrisy? none just the same old party lines, even when they don’t make sense, press release after press release.

And you gobble it down, fast food junk news

Sure does HGT, it sure does. And Donetsk has been promised/ sold to the Gas company for fracking purposes so the right wing NAZIs and unfortunate teenage Ukranian youths forced into the Ukranian “army” have been sent to Clear the Area”!! Effectively Genocide..

Mark you say Putin has noting to gain. Then why did he have to gain by the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko? What did he have to gain by imprisoning Mikhail Khodorkovsky? What did have to gain by the Murder of Anna Politkovskaya? What does he gain by having Svetlana Davydova charged with Treason?
What have they all in common. They all were and are critical of Putin.
Nemtsov it is claimed by those close to him was about to provide indisputable proof of Russian Military involvement in Ukraine. Something that would be extremely embarrassing to Putin on the international stage> Is Putin is narcissistic and egotistical enough to have him killed to avoid being shown to be the liar and gangster he is to the rest of the world.

What has Joe Bidans son got to do with this assassination? The simple fact that as you say it was widely reported shows that Western Media don’t fear their Governments unlike Russian media.

Just for your interest the car had no plates so cameras would give limited information. I think the bullets and the girl are probably the best sources for now. But as a well known figure it is crazy he was walking around without security. This is mind boggling. The US or British heads of Government do not walk around cities at midnight unattended. Would David Cameron be safe walking around East London at midnight without security?

The march is being allowed.

@mick

Look up the plame affair for US intimidation of speaking against government policy, then the Iraq war, and the lies and corruption that lead to it. Look at the fear inside the media to be critical or speak out. Look at the reaction of the government and what they tried to do in revenge…..it was to make an example to instill fear.

p.s. My point was Bidens son was not widely covered, and I asked you why you think that is?

A white car with no plates speeding through central Moscow after multiple gunshots being fired and not a single police officer or FSB agent reacts to it and are you trying to say that the CCTV could not follow the car through through streets while relaying its position to any Police car in the area. That is stretching credibility to beyond breaking point.

@Mick

Look at Bradley mannings, or snowmen for freedom to criticise the government, look at how the journalists have been treated as a result

Snowden

and you believe the western propaganda? You believe the likes of John MCCain and the war mongers who control Obama? Have you never wondered why these ever truthful western entities have not released any information about the shooting down of the MH17 or whether American Sattelites could have tracked the MH370?? And why did Ukranian air traffic control divert the MH17 300km off its planned route to the War Zone??

If you don’t support him look what happens

And do you realise all western media is controlled by hidden entities? Did you notice the behavour of the BBC during the Scottish referendum?

HGT Bradley Manning and Snowden signed the Offiical Secrets Act. They could criticise the Government all they pleased what was against the law in every country on the planet was what they did by giving state papers to a third party without permission.

The silence regarding the MH370 in the media became deafening once the Ukrainian authorities released their report into the incident (SBU report) , which was so ridiculous that it was then dropped and never mentioned again.

Perfectly normal however, as press released had stopped being supplied to the media, so why bother to write anything, or wonder why?

MH 370 I believe that investigation is still on going. Still trying to deflect the story above. The oldest trick in the book change the narrative away from the story at hand.

If we want to talk anout Bin Laden and Bush, if we go back further, the USA created Al-Queda by first training and supporting the Aufghan rebels in a war by proxy against the USSR… just like the west created ISIS to overthrow Assad of Syria.

The Moscow Times is owned and Run by an anti-Putin billionaire based in New York.

As I said trying to turn the narrative and deflect the story.

@mick

The point was the western media silence about mh17 following the Ukrainian report, and the absense of it being reported…weird eh?

Also the job of the media is to hold gov to account, the U.S. Was breaking laws, and snowden exposed that, you have heard of whistleblowers? And the journalists involved have been intimidated and faced career threats for reporting the story….all of which you think is ok?

Nice free media and respect from west gov…..only when they do as told

No, not true. he was no political threat to Putin because he does not have widedpread support throughout Russia. So he was actually the ideal opposition for Putin. He is probably more of a threat to Putin dead than he ever was while alive. Nemtsov. But I mean no disrespect of Mr Nemtsov. His death is a big loss to Russia!!

It is deeply sad and tragic that this man has been murdered and I sincerely hope whoever is responsible will be caught. RIP.

Again What has the investigation into MH 370 have to do with the story above? Do us all a favour and stop trying to deflect the narrative away from the Murder of one of Putins most vocal Critics.

HGT……Putin controls over 80% of “Independent” Russian media. His Financial backers control his media interests…..Do you seriously believe he has 80% approval. ??? If FG controlled 80% of the Irish media what would you think Kenny’s approval rating would be. ??

And the information he was going to release about Putins war in Ukraine! Putin killed Alexander Litvinenko for less.

The point about MH17 was about western press coverage, which is central to this debate, you
Claim it is great and Russia media is totally controlled.

Points have been made that western press is lacking credibility and simply tows to line of its masters, in gov and corporations, and media empires, to further their goals.

Points have been made showing criticism of Putin, and the Moscow times being owned by big critic, the politician killed being unpopular and more dangerous after assassination than alive.

But you ignore all the point with you fingers in your ears.

@Michael,

The popularity of Putin is not questioned by any source, please provide evidence to support your idea it is false faked or not real.

Not even Fox news denies it is true, but you know better eh?

Again. The Investigation into MH370 is still ongoing and no report has yet been published and until such time as it is your speculation about western media is just that speculation and your own personal opinion.
Now I have not quoted the Moscow Times anywhere in this piece. So I don’t see the relevance as to who owns it or where they live.

If he is so popular and I havent said he is not just questioned where his popularity figures have come from and their possible veracity as they are not done by an independent polling company. We are expected just to accept the figures issued by Kremlin controlled media.

Not even the opposition politicians in russia doubt the figures, and their popularity has decreased since the ukraine situation….

But it is all faked, a massive conspiracy, all false and only you are in the know…..

C’mon Mick I am sure you have lots of very good points and opinions, this “kremlin controlled media” faking all putins popularity figures and fooling the entire world (except you)…….is not one of them

Have I stated the are faked? What I have said and i will quote it for you again.
“Who actually knows what the majority of Russians think of Putin. He may have massive support but on the other hand there could be huge dissent but people are afraid to show it”

But getting back to the assassination.
Can you explain how a man gets shot multiple times in the most heavily patrolled and guarded area of Russia with CCTV all over the place and not a single Police Officer or FSB Officer reacts to Gunfire only a few hundred yards away from both the Kremlin and the Lubyanka two of the most secure buildings in Russia and nether the Police or the FSB can follow on CCTV a White car with no Plates speeding through the streets of central Moscow in the middle of the night and not be able to relay the cars location to the multiple mobile Police and FSB patrols in the area?

Ever hear of a silencer genius?

How do you know one was used? I haven’t seen it said anywhere one was used!!

Apparently Kim Young’un has a 99.9% approval rating in North Korea – do you believe that one too HGT?

Stands to reason Mick, what would you do within close distance of Kremlin.

Alternatively, all police and security services in Moscow to let a murderer / assassinator escape, with an enormous conspiracy etc…

Which seems more likely to you, for what might be a professional hit.

I would honestly expect a silencer was used….I have not seen it reported, but it is obvious to me, and I expect that to be the case:

Avina,

North Korea is a dictatorship.

Russia is not, except in eyes of you and other bitter anti-Russians. Putins support is real and he would win any election, Russians do actually want him to lead russia

HGT then how did police arrive on the scene within minutes after the shooting but when through car had left the area.
You see what I don’t get is according to the Moscow Police spokeswoman this attack was meticulously planned. Which in turn would require a lot of surveillance, choice of weapons, choice of vehicle etc. Now who you may ask has the manpower to surveil the target for weeks, access to a choice of weapons and unmarked vehicles. And know that the target was going to be so close to the Kremlin and Lubyanka that they would need a silencer IF one was used?

Avina Laaf
According to more than a dozen polls, just google it, and the Russian people.

Russia is a democracy in name, yes, but the international community have raised serious (and as yet unanswered) questions about how elections are conducted in Russia, (including the harrassment and assassination of political opponents – Nemtsov is not the first). Is Putin involved? Its too early to say, but there is certainly a pattern emerging with the likely fate of anyone who opposes him – Nemtsov knew this and said he expected to get killed by Putin or his supporters.
Would Putin get elected in a free and fair election? Quite possibly. Does he have 80% approval? I doubt it.

I am not going to split hair with you Avina, he is very very popular.

Mick, if Putin did want him killed, and there is no motive at present, he has always been outspoken and his popularity want a threat.

How would he do it? Have him shot beside Kremlin blah blah…..or organise a accident etc.

You theory is weak in my opinion, his death does nothing to help Putin, quite he opposite.

The alarm was probably raised by the young Ukrainian woman he was with screaming and calling for help, and the car was long gone at that stage. What does not make sense?
I have seen no report saying a silencer was not used

HGT. Look at all of the previous critics of Putin that have either been jailed or killed, Litvinenko: Murdered, Politkovskaya: Murdered, Yushenkhov: Murdered, Starovoitova : Murdered, Shchekochikhin: Murdered, Girenko: Murdered, Klebnikov: Murdered, Kozlov: Murdered, Markelov: Murdered,Estemirova: Murdered, Trepashkin: Imprisoned, Khodorkovsky: Imprisoned,

So HGT, Putin a good guy cause he’s popular? Or not a good guy and his popularity is manipulated by Russia government propaganda? Where do you stand?

What are you on?

No motive HGT? Are you mad??
Nemtsov was just about to blow the lid on the level of Putin’s involvement in Ukraine!

@justin

Are you disagreeing with any point I have made?

If so what is it, and why? Try and combine thought together into a logical progression of thought. Then try and express it in a sentence.

Otherwise shut up. It is not up to me to judge Putin, Russians choose their leader and they want Putin.

Hey Mick, you know what they say about people like HGT, when you’re too cowardly to use your real name you abdicate any right for others to take you seriously. You have to question the motives of people who hide behind anonymous accounts and defend tyrants!

Hi Tony, he was not “the leader” so pointless comparison there buddy. Many opposition leaders in many countries walk around capital cities unprotected.

Wow that is the best you have….pathetic.

Using a real name is the height of stupidity but then I guess that is why you do it. I guess you would the system in China or Saudis where freedom of expression is blocked, and everyone monitored.

Great values pal, can’t make an argument so resort to bull.

At least Mick is intelligent and makes points, that can be respected, even if I don’t agree

Tony I take it your just waiting on the Visa to come through before you move to Moscow as the west is so bad! No, didn’t think so, you like your comfort and freedom too much methinks?

Is Russian media freer than western media? No “hidden entities” at work? Can you guarantee this? No

Apart from the obvious help of him being dead, what is your motivation to defend Putin? Really what is it, cash, good old fashioned mullah? You can’t really believe some of what you say, its just too ridiculous, you must be laughing while typing, you can level with us.

Then why are you so interested in defending him? You must have a motive?

Putin wants old russia back but on his terms. He is power hungary and will do anything to get it. The majority of russian people never have understood dimoracy and that is why they love dictators. Went to russia once hell on earth.

Sorry Your point about the Saudis is lost due to grammatical incongruity. They are also tyrannical undemocratic societies, like Putin’s Russia. And you are a coward who won’t use your name and your implication is that “I can be got” as I don’t hide my identity, which really proves where you come from.

Neil read your history books

Too early

Mick, for a man who laughs at ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ you subscribe to a lot of conspiracy theories yourself. Have you some proof of all your accusations? Or is it ‘its Putin so it must be true’? I’m no major fan of Putin but I try and keep a balanced opinion when confronted with propaganda from both sides. What I do think is self evident though is the encirclement of Russia by NATO military installments; I do not think this is in any way debatable. In 1962 the installment of Russian missiles in Cuba nearly caused a Nuclear War; in theory Russia is in a much more precarious situation at the moment so in some ways Putin has actually been restrained in his dealings with NATO. Again I am no major fan of Putin but he is not the one banging the drums of war.

By NATO military instalments I presume you mean Baltic countries asking to join NATO. What right has Russia to determine the defence treatise sovereign nations sign just because it does not suit Russian interests?

Mark, the question you really need to ask is why so many of Russia’s smaller neighbours look to NATO for protection from Russia instead of looking to Russia for protection from NATO.
What is your opinion on that?

Mark. Has I have said all one has to do is look at the trend of those that have opposed Putin. 12 of them murdered by unknown assassins, 5 that were sent to prison and dozens more living in exile. It doesn’t take a conspiracist to think that is odd. Oppose Putin in Russia and bad things happen to you.

Btw. Mark look at every dictatorship around the world today and through history and you see the same type of trend. Coincidence? Possibly but the odds against would be enormous.

True, the area has counter terrorism monitoring in place, but this happened outside the main walls and there were no crowds, hence no major threats to large groups of people. But anyone can drive a car there and this car had no number plates.

Oligarchs who have stolen resources from Russia are enemies of Putin. Putin is trying to repatriate some of this wealth back to Russia. Unlike western media, Putin is acting in the interest of the ordinary Russian People. I happen to know this because I spend time there and my wife is half Ukranian half Russian. She is anti Putin BTW!!

As I said Nentsov was no Political threat to Putin so Nemtsov was definitely worth more to Putin alive than as a martyr!! RIP.

It’s nothing to do with staying clean. If Putin wanted Nemtsov in prison he would be in prison. Nobody is 100% clean and charges can be fabricated.

Tony:
1) As I said above, Nemtsov was just about to lift the lid on the true extent of Putin’s involvement in Ukraine.
2) Have you any idea of Putin’s estimated personal wealth? Where/from who do you think this all came from??

@avina
1. Where do you get this information? And if true and he was in fear of him knife, don’t you think he would have made arrangements to that if something happened to him the information would be released…obviously ….but of course it is just some half baked conspiracy theory isn’t it.

2.what relevance does that have, most American presidents are incredibly wealthy / neck deep in oil and corporations….just look at Israel PM showing his servants quarters and abusing expenses trying to show he is not super wealthy and a common man…..typical bullshit

HGT according to those close to him he did ask for protection but was refused. Odd that don’t you think. Then he himself said that he was in danger in an interview. He knew he was walking a dangerous line taking on Putin and his inner circle but he easily still prepared to take it for his love of Russia.

HGT
1) It was his own party colleagues that revealed Nemtsov’s planned report:
http://www.novinite.com/articles/166895/Nemtsov+%27Was+Preparing+Report+on+Russia-Ukraine+Standoff%27+-+Opposition
2) Putin is widely believed to be the wealthiest individual on this planet, with assets that far outweigh what his career indicates that he could have legitimately obtained. My point is that this money didn’t come from the cash fairy – it was stolen from ordinary Russians in much the same way that CJH stole from us, albeit in a different league.

If he had this “alleged” evidence he would have left instructions to release it after his death. It is just hersay and speculation, and conspiracy theory. Don’t you think if it was real he would have released it immediately ???

So he is rich according to you, again no evidence just speculation, what about the bush’s what about Israel PM what about Cheney etc etc….being rich isn’t a crime. Look at the new Ukraine PM ….not a poor common man is he?

HGT May be you can answer a Question none of the Pro Putin side on here has being willing to even touch.
How did Putin avoid prosecution for mis-appropriation of city funds in St Petersburg when he was a lowly clerk in the city council. Then get moved from St Petersburg to Moscow to be given a minor job in the Yeltsin administration then get elevated over everyone to become head of the FSB and from there be Yeltsin’s nomination to succeed him. And then go on to win the Election when Yeltsin’s own popularity at the time was a mere 5%?

Deflecting the narrative are you Mick, to use your own words.

But to be honest I know nothing about that, literally nothing.

I am here defending against wild baseless accusations by obviously biased people jumping to conclusions. I’m challenging your logic and posting alternatives that make more sense.

You imply Putin had him killed, I am saying that makes no sense. As he was no threat to Putin, as he was very unpopular and Putin is very popular.

You say Putin would have him shot in that amateur fashion, piling pressure onto himself and causing unnecessary problems, I say that is a silly idea.

You say the media in Russia is completely controlled, I say the media in the west is lazy and corrupt, and have given lots of examples.

I am pro truth, and hate the lies and propaganda on both sides, and would be the first to critisis Putin bush Obama anyone who is lying.

I hate the NSA, I hate the American propaganda and meddling in the Middle East, in Ukraine, in South America, pressuring and installing puppet regimes. And see a strong Russia as a necessary balance to American domination and greed

HGT
World Press Freedom Index 2014 rankings:
Ireland 16th
Russia 148th (out of 180)
Don’t kid yourself.

On the Contrary HGT it is very relevant at the story involves Putin and his Critics because they have asked the same question.

HGT you wrote “I hate the NSA, I hate the American propaganda and meddling in the Middle East, in Ukraine, in South America, pressuring and installing puppet regimes”.
The Why don’t you hate the Russian propaganda machine and Russia’s meddling in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Syria and Iran. What about Russia installing puppet regimes in Belarus, Ukraine, Chechnya. Or is Russia’s actions ok in your book?

Listen guys, let’s focus on important matters!!!!

Cmon Ireland !!! Kick the British asses !!!!!

Good discussion let’s agree to disagree on some points, and hope that whoever is responsible is caught and justice is served.

Mick J
The Kremlin area is not heavily patrolled, it is a tourist area with many shops, bars and restaurants and quiet walks, there is no need for it to be heavily patrolled, the Kremlin itself is a walled enclosure, not open to the public at that hour.

No Avina, his handlers thought he was worth more to them dead than alive. His handler friends, Mc Cain and co..

Putin’s wealth didn’t kill Nimtsov Troll, so it’s irrelevant.

Avina, Troll,

Where is your information from about the world press?
From Tony Blair’s friends at the IMF/World bank?

MGT
I’ve got my Kalashnikov ready, going to shoot a few ducks:)

“No Avina, his handlers thought he was worth more to them dead than alive. His handler friends, Mc Cain and co..”
Any evidence for that Tony?

“Putin’s wealth didn’t kill Nimtsov Troll, so it’s irrelevant.”
Do you have some kind of cognitive issue Tony? I never said that Putin’s wealth killed Nemtsov (in fact I never claimed that Putin killed him at all).
The point (which was made in response to your claim that Putin is acting in the interests of ordinary Russian people) is that Putin has become obscenely wealthy on the backs of those same ordinary Russian people. Any true socialist would find this appalling.

“Avina, Troll,

Where is your information from about the world press?
From Tony Blair’s friends at the IMF/World bank?”

No, it comes from Reporters Without Borders, an apolitical and well-respected international group.

ps. what is your definition of a “troll”???

@Avina,

Russia is no longer a communist country, it is now capitalist. Putins leadership has without doubt done a lot of good for Russia, after the shameful yeltsin years when the country was plundered.
I dont agree with everything he has done, but I am not Russian and don’t live there, but the people who do clearly support him, and life the renewed pride he has built, and the stabilisation he has brought.

On a scale of crazy scary leaders, he would be far far behind the likes of George W Bush or Benjamin Netanyahu

@Tony,

I wouldn’t agree Avina is a troll, to be fair I have debated with her before. I certainly think she is very biased and has set views, but that is ok, I can respect that and agree to disagree.