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Rick Osentoski

Shock in Monaghan as Bose closure sees 140 jobs axed

The company had been manufacturing audio systems in Monaghan since 1978, but will wind down and cease operations in April.

Updated 6.25pm 

HEADPHONE GIANT BOSE is to cease operations at its plant in Carrickmacross — with the loss of 140 jobs.

The company has been manufacturing audio systems in Monaghan since 1978 but will wind down and cease operations in April.

The firm says it will be “consolidating its wholly-owned manufacturing operations, closing its facilities in Columbia, South Carolina, and Carrickmacross, Ireland, to streamline the company’s global supply chain”.

Bose employs around 10,500 people and has sales of $3.3 billion.

Carrickmacross provides final assembly for select home theatre systems and radios for the European market, as well as some remanufacturing for the region. Operations will transfer to Bose facilities in Malaysia and Mexico.

Bryan Fontaine, Bose executive vice president of global operations and corporate development engineering, said the move came to keep pace with demand from customers and resellers.

“But these are still difficult decisions because they impact our very capable teams in South Carolina and Ireland. We thank all of them for their dedication, and we thank the communities of Columbia and Carrickmacross for their years of support.”

Siptu representatives will meet with management to discuss its plans, the union said in a statement this evening, following the announcement.

Organiser Jim McVeigh said the “devastating” news came “as a complete bolt out of the blue”.

Workers have been given tomorrow off but the meeting has been arranged for Monday. Siptu hopes it can salvage the jobs. Politicians from the area are also rallying to help the workforce, the majority of whom live in the locality.

‘Shock’

Local Fine Gael TD Sean Conlan said the announcement came as “a shock to everybody” in the area with no prior notification that it was happening.

“I’ve been in touch with the Minister for Jobs, Richard Bruton, and have asked him to put together a coordinated effort with the IDA to immediately address this situation,” he told TheJournal.ie this evening.

“We now need an alternative employer in the south Monaghan area. Bose was here for nearly 40 years in the county.”

Midlands North West Sinn Féin MEP Matt Carthy, who is from the town, said he is “devastated” at the news.

“I know many of the 140 full time Bose staff personally and I am absolutely devastated to hear of the planned closure of this manufacturing plant in Carrickmacross. The plant is a well established local employer and the announcement today will cause widespread disbelief.

“Today’s announcement is not just a harsh blow to the staff and their families but to the wider community and local economy, which will be severely impacted by the closure of the plant.

“Unfortunately, this area has been ignored by too long by successive Governments. Monaghan has only has two visits by the IDA in the past 5 years and many will remember that Bose was the last significant employer attracted to this region by the IDA in the late 70s.”

- additional reporting from Hugh O’Connell 

First published 5.35pm 

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    Mute T Beckett
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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:15 PM

    Does anybody know what time Amnesty Ireland are protesting outside the British embassy at?

    …..Oh yeah silly me, it’s only certain countries/issues they protest about.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:05 PM

    It was used for torture and should be described as such.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:48 PM

    I would rather spend a week in the RUC ‘torture’ station than one hour in the IRA interregation centre. At least you would leave the RUC station alive, if you left the IRA interregation you would probably end up in an unmarked grave in a shallow bog or beach aka the ‘disappeared’ aka murdered and dumped.

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    Mute Antrim
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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:25 PM

    Very true. The RUC never left people by the roadside with 2 bullets in their head after days or interrogation/torture.

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    Mute Jamie McCormack
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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:32 PM

    The RUC shot kids dead.

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    Mute Antrim
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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:34 PM

    Yes they did

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:44 PM

    Yes the RUC did that, but hey the IRA blew some kids up and made others orphans..but that’s in the past, lets move on etc etc (If i were a murdering s(um bag I’d want to leave all that in the past too).

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:57 PM

    So we’re holding the British security forces and the revolutionary IRA to the same moral and ethical standards?

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:17 PM

    No the IRA were 10 times worse. The world knows it. RUC did shoot and kill innocent people but given the madness it was unavoidable.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:26 PM

    The RUC and BA and loyalist death squads killed youngsters deliberately, by pointing their the weapons at them and pulling the trigger. When did the IRA ever do that?

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:48 PM

    R u for real u thick ignoramus u r an uneducated ill informed numpty just look at some of the declassified documents released by the British government about false flag missions carried out by the British secret services in northern Ireland killing people with the intention of blaming the nationalist so the rest of the world would sympathise with england while they British army ran riot over the people of ireland just like Israel is doing to palistine

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:30 PM

    That is bull and you know it!

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:48 PM

    Antrim, the RUC & BA never interrogated someone & then killed them. They had their proxies to do that for them, the UVF, UFF, RHC, PAF etc. That way they could look all squeaky clean but still do their dirty business. I am sick of the pious BS on this subject. Read Brigadier Frank Kitson’s book Low Intensity Operations(1971) or better again Gangs & Counter Gangs 1960 you will see when it come to terrorism the British wrote the book. Literally in this case. There’s none so blind as they say.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:44 AM

    The IRA were still worse, my mind won’t be changed on that. I’ll tell you something else too and you can choose to believe it or not. If the troubles hadn’t happened I’d happily live in a peaceful United Ireland, the existence of the IRA has made me want to reject it until my dying breath. Counter productive violence for 30 years is all it was.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:00 AM

    As James Connelly said, partition will create a carnival of reaction. Let’s face it, reactionary is Unionisms middle name. You are not the first and won’t be the last unionist whose mind won’t be changed. I respect your point of view but I have a question. Do you think that the young Catholic men between 68-72 who went from placard to stone to gun were not reacting to counter productive violence too? A carnival of reaction and it continues.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:07 AM

    I think they stirred up a hornets nest during that time and we never recovered for 30 years. When the conflict was civil unrest it could have been resolved and was being resolved, republicans upped the ante unfortunately and made it into a shooting war. It was all for a United Ireland too and not civil rights.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:08 AM

    Cool heads by republicans back then and we might have been living in a single country today in perfect peace. It’s never going to happen now.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:41 AM

    Unionism is a dying breed. We’re happy to play the long game.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:43 AM

    Cool heads? The place was ready to explode with anger and that is what happened. It was the authorities who were the irresponsible agent then. The genie was out and instead of reason we had such irresponsible ‘moderate’ politicians who acted like Smith in Rhodesia howling ‘no surrender’ at every opportunity. Whitehall was no different bringing events like the Falls Rd curfew that radicalised the few left in doubt. The aim of a united Ireland was to secure civil rights indefinitely not another agenda. Very bad things happened but to lay it all at the door of a small group of inexperienced angry men is to miss the point entirely. As I have said before, kick a dog often enough and it will eventually it will bite back.
    I don’t wish to ignore you reply if any but it’s bed time so no offence meant. Good night.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:56 AM

    Well I’m just telling you how the actions of republicans have shaped my political thinking. Counter productive as they tried to bomb and shoot people into accepting a United Ireland. It’s a grave shame too because I love this island as a whole and it’s people.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:57 AM

    PS you are laying the blame for everything at our feet.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 2:39 AM

    If a United Ireland had been won by force we would have been marching for civil rights ourselves, can you imagine a state run by the IRA with a republican police force and judiciary etc, it doesn’t bear thinking about. At least if a United Ireland happens in future it’ll be by a democratic vote and not by the barrel of a gun.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 3:08 AM

    At least Antrim and Ten Major are discussing and giving some perspective on their points of view which is fair enough. I think, if we are fair to both sides, that both communities suffered terribly during the troubles and it was bad people on both sides that afflicted pain and misery on what they perceived to be their own people and “the enemy” when in reality this conflict was designed and created by people who were never hurt by it. It’s time to turn a corner. Ireland is great. It could be greater if both communities worked together and left the people with little minds in the past. Lets celebrate and share our achievements together. We should use one of our many small islands to banish the nostalgists so they can fight among themselves.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 10:23 AM

    You really are ignorant aren’t you you really believe what you say which is very frightening your that gullible the ruc british army and secert service along with loyalists killed thousand under the banner of war just like the serbians did and Israel is doing now wake up if the ira killed every loyalists in northern Ireland it still wouldn’t equal r get near the amount of innocent men women and children murdered and raped and torture done in the name of the crown in ireland

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 10:26 AM

    Read your own comment again and put British army and queen in instead of ira and Republican and you have how england ruled every country they took over you know your ancestors were murdering rapists and hated everywhere they went!

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 11:28 AM

    @Antrim your mind will Never Never Never be changed …. Even the Brits thought Paisley was Schizophrenic

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:48 PM

    Sure you boys believe that the IRA were completely justified and killed or hurt no civilians and that every action they carried out was on a legitimate target. You are completely brainwashed, im just happy that the majority of this island aren’t sucked in by SF propaganda.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:51 PM

    Yes Thomas it’ll never change and the reason it’ll never change is republican aggression. Surely you don’t expect us just to roll over in the face of violence and intimidation!! What kind of future would that give us?

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 3:39 PM

    “Sure you boys believe that the IRA were completely justified and killed or hurt no civilians and that every action they carried out was on a legitimate target. ”

    No we don’t – But bearing in mind, this is one of your previous comments: “RUC did shoot and kill innocent people but given the madness it was unavoidable.”

    You’re excusing the RUC of their actions, because of the political and social climate. It wasn’t unavoidable. The RUC’s attacks on civilians and collusion with loyalist paramilitaries was very much avoidable. If they had of remained a neutral policing service, things would have been a lot different.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 4:05 PM

    I was referring to incidents when they were being pelted with stones and petrol bombs, they fired in self defence and somebody gets struck down, whether they were rioting or not they were still listed as a civilian. A rioter in my opinion is a combatant regardless if they are affiliated with a group or not, throwing petrol bombs etc is attempted murder.

    If it was the RUC’s intention to murder innocent people why was their final figure of people they killed only 53? A small figure for 30 years of activity.

    In the same time the IRA killed 1800 people. Over 30 times as many people.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 4:28 PM

    Even the ROI looked on the IRA as a terrorist group that was illegal. They never looked on the RUC as such, I wonder why.

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    Mar 10th 2015, 9:10 AM

    As a Dublin child I vividly remember being escorted out of Belfast by the RUC in July 69 as the policeman said to my father “I’m sorry , but we can’t protect you. ” a couple of days later images of Burntallot Bridge (hope I spelt it right) were in every news paper & on every TV …Ordinary people protesting while getting baton charged & beaten to the ground by the RUC,,,,, Some Protection .

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:40 PM

    Plenty of RUC lads WERE paramilitaries.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:32 PM

    Damn sure they were. It amazes me to read some of the comments here. RUC UDA UVF UFF B-specials UDR etc. All intertwined.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:28 AM

    Yes, all paramilitaries were beyond contempt.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:19 PM

    Just in case anybody is under any illusions.

    Garret Fitzgerald and his FG/Lab pals were spineless cowards who allowed this to go on.

    And this is why the same media that exists today describe anyone who has a problem with torture, discrimination, etc as “nationalists” or “provos”.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:25 PM

    The Provo fight back against British injustice will in time become to the majority of people a just and worthwhile fight. The north was used as a military playground for the British security forces. It’s people were expendable, no matter what their religion or persuasion. Some are still too blind to see it.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:11 PM

    Another Hell-Hole removed by the GFA-

    The people always win in the end-

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:36 PM

    If that were true we would have a united Ireland would be not? No, the British tactic of putting it on the long finger until the Irish people became apathetic to the cause has worked a treat.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:52 PM

    Who do you think the brits are Ray- let them remove all their barracks here first -[ most of them are down ]-and sort out other problems that came from their hundreds of years of occupation-then they can go in Peace-

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:24 PM

    Dreamland stuff Michael, a united Ireland aint happening.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:32 PM

    Barracks are only down because the paramilitaries have left the stage, there’s no need for them now. The security apparatus always matched the threat. Republicans think they won a victory because the barracks are gone, they took them down as a result of the conflict ending. Same way the IRA handed in their weapons. Would be silly to be paying for 1970′s style security when there’s no sizeable threat.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:58 PM

    It was wrote in the GFA Antrim in 1998-
    - the same as we were told by the media that articles 2&3 were removed-but they are still in the Irish constitution-
    the media is still telling us about the big bad dissident threat to try to stop the last brit barracks being pulled down-but i am glad that you -[ Antrim ]- take the Sinn Fein position that we are in a Peace Process and all such barracks should be removed-

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:01 PM

    Articles 2 and 3 were altered, not removed. Nobody ever said they were removed.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:03 PM

    Yes all barracks should be removed apart from the ones housing soldiers who are based in NI. Those units aren’t on operational deployment, they live in the barracks. If the IRA ever start up again then all past apparatus should be rebuilt to match the threat against the country.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:19 PM

    The media said they were removed- it took them years to work out the truth-

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:22 PM

    They were amended, that’s the only way I ever heard it worded. The claim to NI was removed.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:55 PM

    @michaelhenry Written, not wrote. Can’t take anything you wroted after that seriouslie

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:12 PM

    Thousands of paramilitaries or innocent suspected paramilitaries one would assume…

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:47 PM

    It’s funny how all that ended when the paramilitaries left the stage.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:54 PM

    Ah yes, the ol “We only committed war crimes and crimes against humanity while there was a threat” line.

    No wonder the loyalists love the Israeli flag so much..

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:58 PM

    Well it’s the truth isn’t it. The RUC behaved impeccably compared to the paramilitaries. The IRA were criticised by amnesty international for human rights abuses.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:18 PM

    The RUC were murdering the people they were supposed to be protecting. Oh sorry it was a Protestant state for a Protestant people. Croppies lie down. Well guess what? The croppy boy decided to fight back.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:20 PM

    Protecting people who were throwing stones at them, yeah right. The croppie killed more of his own people than the RUC, some fightback alright.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:24 PM

    Not at all. The sectarian police aren’t murdering the croppy’s kids anymore. They have equal rights now. They are thriving, generally. Our victory is the laughter of our children. And the Orangeman isn’t allowed march where he likes anymore, another plus.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:26 PM

    Are the people murdered by the IRA thriving or are they dead?

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:45 PM

    The IRA also murdered people they were supposed to be protecting.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:25 PM

    Oh yeah Antrim, cause the good old RUC are better than that, just like the British army!! Bunch of corrupt thugs, torture was the least of it! Every day they betrayed they community because even though they were sworn to protect the community fairly, we all know the truth! Orange Thugs in uniform is what they are!

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:37 PM

    How many people did the British Army/loyalist kill on Dublin/Monaghan?

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:40 AM

    The UVF killed over 30 that day I think. Not sure of exact figure.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:29 AM

    SF/PIRA and their loyalist equivalents are a blight on this island

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:55 AM

    Big difference between Ireland and Palestine.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 9:38 AM

    Hear hear

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:22 PM

    Ireland’s equivalent of Guantanamo bay.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 11:50 AM

    Britain’s equivalent to Guantanamo bay in Ireland !

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:20 PM

    Looks like the way the east German stazi did things. What a depressing place to even have to work let alone be incarcerated in.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:55 PM

    The RUC, they wore a uniform by day & a balaclava by night? under instructions from thatcher to not give Catholics equal rights in case the Asians rebelled

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:10 PM

    Did the Catholic members of the RUC follow that order too :)

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:30 PM

    @Antrim, jews worked for hitler too under duress !! & most Catholics would have signed up as prods just to get work

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:34 PM

    @Antrim , key word duress :)

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:35 PM

    There were plenty of Catholics who signed up as nothing other than Catholics. Even the special branch has Catholic members. Don’t try and rewrite history here mate.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:01 PM

    History! Written for Brits by Brits with a biased view on how things happened such as the saying Gos history is wrote by the victor so your speaking in ignorance

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:19 PM

    I know what I lived through mate and I know who the real terrorists were. Paramilitaries murdered 3000 people, security forces murdered about 350.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:34 PM

    Yer security forces were paramilitarys , you definitely live in a bubble, what about the countless slaves sent off as indentured servants , ye have been murdering my race for nearly a thousand years ! If you want to start with statistics

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:56 PM

    @Antrim. At least 93% of ruc were protestants. 7% hardly constitutes plenty of Catholics

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 10:57 PM

    A bit like Irish history? Green, glossy and nonsense.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:06 PM

    @Antrim. I also know what I lived through. British snipers pointing guns at us as we walked to school, stepping over soldiers at the bottom of garden path, dragged from bed in the middle of night so that house could be trashed by army. Not being able to tell people my name. Living in fear every time parents left the house – our only crime being nominally Catholic. But I understand it’s a circular argument. Brits behaved in such a way because of IRA, IRA reformed because of behaviour of brits.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:35 PM

    Too right Anne. The British army behaved like a terrorist organisation in nationalist areas. Oppression breads resistance. What did they expect?

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:20 AM

    @Michael…. you “race” will be lucky to survive another 50 years, as a majority in this Island!

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:49 AM

    Anne Marie every hardship you experienced was visited upon us too by those you deem freedom fighters, a bunch of terrorists is all they were but sure you go on ahead and be an apologist for them.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:55 AM

    Michael I am your race so how was I murdering you for 1000 years lol

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 2:07 AM

    @Kustin. Haha have you been checked for anything recently? You might be mentally insane.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:32 PM

    If I wanted to build a prisoner of war camp the blueprint would be perfect. Loyal British queen loving savages.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:28 PM

    The door swung both ways. plenty of ruc lads were killed by paramilitaries.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:46 PM

    My only direct experience of the troubles was watching 3 ruc officers getting shot to death in Newry on my 10th birthday. The ra lads threw a grenade in that didn’t go off and all hell broke loose. Horrible memory.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:47 PM

    That’s the thing the door didn’t swing both ways the ruc operated under the guise of the law

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:48 PM

    They shouldn’t be there in the first place

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:02 PM

    Charles what incident was that? The only mass killing of RUC officers in Newry during the conflict that I’m aware of was in 1985, when a mortar attack on the station killed nine and injured 32.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:04 PM

    Do more research then. July 26th 1986. It was a Saturday. I was taken to toymaster by my dad. It happened in a pedestrian zone. Three ra heads dressed as butchers.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:10 PM

    I think your spoofing. No such incident occurred.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:10 PM

    I think you’re an idiot for even suggesting that.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:15 PM

    Here you go Jamie. Amazing what a basic Google search can find.

    http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/17202

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 8:16 PM

    My apologies, you are correct. They were shot at close range whilst sitting in their armoured car.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:00 PM

    Deaths during the Troubles: IRA win with 60%; Loyalist Paras 30%; RUC 10%. Vile RUC. Freedom fighting (baby killing) IRA.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:12 AM

    And the non-combatants(civilians) killed as a percentages by the various groupings?
    Civilian Deaths as Percentage of Deaths by this Agency:
    Security Forces : 54.4 per cent
    Republicans: 35.6 per cent
    Loyalists: 87.2 per cent
    When it came to civilian deaths the British and their undercover death squads seemed to make a point of targeting them.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:52 AM

    That’s 60% of 350 though

    The IRA is 35% of 1800

    What figure is highest? Don’t take a genius to work it out.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:32 PM

    Bias… “OVER TWO DECADES, thousands of paramilitaries were held and questioned at Castlereagh RUC barracks in Belfast.” No not just paramilitaries but innocent Catholics as back then any Catholic would do and many who were working as in the police and army were very friendly with Unionist paramilitaries as Chief Inspector Stalker proved.
    You think all this talk about U.S. torture was new but the U.S. military learned it from the British army and they were doing the same stuff in the North as well as in other countries in the world. What is new?

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:12 PM

    Crazy but not 1 eill be brought to justice as usual they murdered irish people for generations and were told it was ok thats just how it was imagine if it was happening to the jews we would never hear the end of it!

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:33 PM

    The RUC shot dead 53 people in 24 yrs . 22 of them where civilians. The IRA murder 320 RUC officers and injure 9000 . The RUC and the security forces had soo many restrictions put upon them that the weapon they carry was to be use for nothing more then self defence of themselfs and the public . The figures speak for themselfs . 22 civilians in 24 yrs . It’s not even 1 civilian a yr .

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 11:38 PM

    How many murders were carried out by RUC men who by night were UVF and UFF men? Stop being so naive Tommy, it’s tiresome.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:50 AM

    Correct Tommy

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 10:56 AM

    8 children murdered by the RUC in non riot circumstances? Is that what you call restrictions? All but one victim of rubber and plastic bullets were catholic Tommy. Most victims were shot at close range with bullets to the head and upper body. If that’s restrictions, I’d wonder how they’d have behaved with the gloves off.
    The RUC were nothing but an orange police force to protect the facist orange state. Thank god they were disbanded and at least now we have a more impartial police force.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 1:53 PM

    How many children were murdered by the IRA in non riot situations? Was that OK in your eyes?

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:03 PM

    Past past past move on

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:38 AM

    Last Post it’s Lest we Forget when it’s one conflict & it’s the past, move on for other conflicts closer in time & geography. How come?

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 7:51 PM

    I wonder if we will see the closure of the places where innocent people were tortured and beaten to death by paramilitaries, (and then dumped ), at least most of them are alive (after being inside that place) and some prospering very well unlike victims of some of the paramilitaries victims.

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    Jan 2nd 2015, 9:13 PM

    You want to see the closure of sheds and bogs?

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 12:14 AM

    @ Jamie…..it would be a a start, throw in the places where the kangaroo courts were held, before being taken on that long lonely terrifying one way trip! As well as the places where the “lovely” Lynn Murphy held court!

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 6:24 PM

    People continually try and make it out that it was the IRA that only killed people and that it was the bad old IRA who started everything. Loyalist paramilitaries murdered over 800 innocent civilians during the troubles and that’s not including those killed by the RUC and British Army. The majority of the people killed by the IRA where security forces. Maybe we should start focusing on the truth for those 800 plus innocent people killed by Loyalists or maybe grow a set and call the British Government out on the collusion involved in The Dublin/Monaghan bombings.

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    Jan 3rd 2015, 6:46 PM

    It wasn’t just the IRA but they killed and injured the most and did it against the Democratic wishes of the people.

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