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Welcome to Budget Day on TheJournal.ie.
We brought you the 2015 announcements from Michael Noonan and Brendan Howlin, and now we are breaking down what their measures will mean for YOU – and your pocket.
Leave your thoughts in the comments section, tweet at us (@thejournal_ie) or mail us on tips@thejournal.ie.
It’s grey and a little bit wet in Dublin this morning. Hopefully that’s not some pathetic fallacy for what’s to come today.
But it seems the rest of the country is faring a little better.
It’s Sinéad O’Carroll here, taking you through the first, easy steps. If you want to get in touch with me, you’ll find me on Twitter @SineadOCarroll or by mail at sinead@thejournal.ie.
Send us your thoughts and concerns about the day ahead – or your musings about what Noonan and Howlin should do at 2.30pm.
We’re firing up the liveblog early this morning to keep you on top of everything we know so far about Budget 2015 (including the colour of Michael Noonan’s tie).
And, don’t worry, we won’t abandon you early. We’ll be here all day to guide you through the announcements, and what impact they will have on your wage packet, benefits and outgoings.
Finance Minister Michael Noonan has already been spotted – sporting a purple/pink tie, speech in hand – outside Government Buildings this morning.
Is that purple or pink?
No decision yet though on Brendan Howlin’s choice.
Dept. PER IRL / TwitterWe'll be 'all tied up' with #Budget15 today in @IRLDeptPER! Stick with us for tweets during the day. pic.twitter.com/g2wQxiGwxZ
— Dept of Public Expenditure NDP Delivery & Reform (@IRLDeptPER) October 14, 2014
Right, that’s enough silliness for the moment. Let’s get down to the real stuff.
Much of Budget 2015 has been revealed through timely and orchestrated government leaks so here’s what we know what will (probably) happen today:
In the comments section, Mark Miller asks:
Is it too soon to change the hash tag “As it happens” to “Sh*t happens”?
I’ll give it some thought, Mark.
We’ve already heard from Brendan Howlin today, with the Public Expenditure and Reform Minister (essentially, the Dad of the government who gives out the pocket money) praising the people of Ireland for their ‘incredible effort’ at austerity.
Government has to govern in accordance with the will of the people as well and after seven years of the harshest difficulty people want to see the horizon, they want to see the shape of a better Ireland and that’s what we have to begin today to plan out.
Emer from DailyEdge.ie just sent this our way to exclamations of, “Well, isn’t this Celtic Tiger Baby?”
The new, very fancy, TWO STOREY Nespresso store is opening in Dublin today. Yes, on Budget Day!
Emer writes:
While the date might be coincidental, the temptation to point to the store as an excuse for “NO RECESSION HERE” and “RECESSION? WHAT RECESSION?” quips is irresistible.
Don’t let Michael Noonan see it before 2.30pm. Or the IMF. Or the Troika. Or the Germans. Jesus, lads.
The books are ready. Yikes.
Dept. PER IRL / TwitterYou saw the cover, now check out the book. The Comprehensive Expenditure Report 2015 - 2017 @IRLDeptPER #Budget15 pic.twitter.com/KBZDw30hne
— Dept of Public Expenditure NDP Delivery & Reform (@IRLDeptPER) October 14, 2014
Reader Theresa Kavanagh Connell isn’t worried though. In the comments section, she writes:
I’m really looking forward to this budget. Good things are beginning to happen again. Workers will be rewarded for their hard work/sacrifices over the last few years.
To prove there won’t be as much austerity this year, MerrionStreet.ie (the government’s news service) made a snazzy video of Noonan and Howlin this morning. Here’s what the pair had to say.
Key words: ‘give something back’ and ‘turning point’
Are you a budget boffin?
Prove it! Our reporter Paul Hosford has put together this quiz about budgets from bygone eras. How much can you remember? I’ll give you clue for one of the answers.
There’s always one.
TheJournal Politics / TwitterA lone protestor outside Leinster House this morning #budget15 pic.twitter.com/Y9xt0TAq2h
— TheJournal Politics (@TJ_Politics) October 14, 2014
This guy was spotted by our Political Editor Hugh O’Connell on Kildare Street this morning. We presume he won’t be on his own for long.
Our Morning Office Debate/Argument today was about whether ‘Budget Day’ should even exist.
So, we turned it into the poll and asked: Should we scrap ‘Budget Day’?
Here are your responses so far.
Something from Hugh O’Connell:
Speaking to reporters at Leinster House this morning, Sinn Féin’s Gerry Adams says his party would get rid of property tax and water changes and put money in people’s pockets.
He added: “The fact is people cannot pay these charges and we’re facing into Christmas.”
Meanwhile, Sinn Féin’s deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald has been as robust as ever, saying:
There has been a lot made of this end to austerity. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating, as they say. Let’s see what the government come forward with today.
The Taoiseach arriving for today’s pre-Budget Cabinet briefing in Leinster House.
Just a reminder of today’s schedule:
2.30pm Michael Noonan’s Budget 2015 speech starts
3.10pm Brendan Howlin’s Budget 2015 speech starts
The Irish Times has just published an exclusive story, claiming that Budget 2015 will include a surprise €5 increase in child benefit.
There were no further details given by sources so we’re not sure what exactly this will mean for family incomes.
Currently, child benefit rates are €130 per month for each child under the age of 18. The rates were cut by between €10 and €20 in Budget 2013.
TheJournal Politics / TwitterIrish Times reporting that €5 could be added to child benefit in a #Budget15 surprise http://t.co/eQCgWuxkgq
— TheJournal Politics (@TJ_Politics) October 14, 2014
Our Political Editor has been asking around about that breaking child benefit story (that there will be a surprise €5 increase). He reports:
Cabinet source tells me that a fiver on child benefit is a possibility. Nothing confirmed at this stage.
Reader Catherine Sims isn’t impressed. She says:
5 euro Increase in child benefit ? Well it’s going to take more than five euro to buy my vote at the next election .
Brian Dowling has just been talking to Seán O’Rourke on RTÉ Radio One about the planned measures – and everything that’s leaked so far.
He says one thing that has been kept quiet – until now – is a fourth rate of USC.
Colette Browne / TwitterRTE's Brian Dowling seems to have found out details of #budget15 sooner than government backbenchers.
— Colette Browne (@colettebrowne) October 14, 2014
As predicted, the Leinster House protester hasn’t been left alone for long.
Another reaction to the child benefit speculation…
With the hard work over them, the lads and ladies over at the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform are having the craic and are considering day-to-night outfits.
#WearingTheGreenJersey
Dept. PER IRL / TwitterDecisions, decisions...#Budget15 here in @IRLDeptPER pic.twitter.com/0ZdvbysbEI
— Dept of Public Expenditure NDP Delivery & Reform (@IRLDeptPER) October 14, 2014
The front page of today’s late edition of The Herald has some more revelations about what to expect come 2.30pm.
Under the headline Payback Time, it predicts the €5 increase in child benefit and a 25% Christmas bonus on pensions.
The 40c hike on cigarettes would mean that a pack will cost €10.
Time for another refresher about what we know so far?
1. The introduction of a fourth rate of USC for the highest earners, plus an increase in the bands to help low- and middle-income earners
2. A €5 increase to child benefit, bringing the payment to €135 per child per month
3. A 40c increase on packets of cigarettes, bringing them close to a €10 price tag
4. A 25% Christmas bonus for pensioners
5. A reduction of 1% to the 41% tax bracket
6. More people will receive €100 payment to help with new water charges (including long-term unemployed, pensioners and those on Fuel Allowance)
7. Tax relief on water bills of up to €100 a year
8. No change to alcohol prices.
9. A substantial decrease in the private pension levy
10. Major spending in education, social housing and health
11. A closing of the controversial ‘Double Irish’ loophole
Well, it’s getting interesting down on Kildare Street.
Here’s more from those pizza protesters.
TheJournal Politics / TwitterPizza has arrived at Leinster House #budget15 pic.twitter.com/U7T0M4N8qu
— TheJournal Politics (@TJ_Politics) October 14, 2014
It looks like they don’t need to swear their cheese off though, indications are that the 9% VAT for the tourism industry will be maintained.
As you have seen from the reports below, there is now an expectation that the Christmas Bonus will be returned (in part) to pensioners. The 25% payment will come in at around €40 or €50.
That’s enough for at least 10 Selection Boxes.
Ahead of today’s budget announcements, water charges have been the most controversial and anger-inducing move the government has made.
It sparked tens of thousands of people to protest in Dublin on Saturday and led this Cork man to a planned 12-day hunger strike.
Gary Coleman started the protest outside Cork City Hall yesterday evening and plans to continue it to raise awareness for an anti-water charges protest in the city on 25 October.
We’re hearing more from Leinster House about that fourth rate of USC. It is expected to be 8% on earners above €70,000.
TheJournal Politics / TwitterLots of speculation about the new fourth rate of USC. Expected to be 8 per cent on earners above €70k but could be above €100k #Budget15
— TheJournal Politics (@TJ_Politics) October 14, 2014
Our annual game of Budget Bingo has just gone LIVE.
Download your cards here and let us know when you’ve beat out the competition and are celebrating with corner-flag dances in the office.
The staff manning the Public Expenditure Department’s Twitter are still playing with Dad’s ties.
Dept. PER IRL / TwitterJames Connolly modelling one possible choice in @IRLDeptPER #Budget15 pic.twitter.com/AUmxNmAJHX
— Dept of Public Expenditure NDP Delivery & Reform (@IRLDeptPER) October 14, 2014
Need a break from the Budget? Why not sit back and, er, enjoy the first trailer for The Guarantee. Yes, that’s a film based on THAT night in Leinster House.
How many infamous faces and voices do you recognise?
Independent TD Mattie McGrath hasn’t missed an opportunity to take a swipe at both ministers and the media today over the column inches that have been filled with Budget leaks in recent days.
But, somehow, he managed to praise Phil Hogan at the same time.
In a statement issued this afternoon, he said:
“I find it very disturbing that we are in a now in position where the leaking of confidential Budget information is treated as the norm and without consequence.
In 1995 when Phil Hogan was Minister of State at Finance and inadvertently leaked confidential budget data he resigned immediately, which was an honourable thing to do regardless of his more recent performances.
Read more from the Tipperary man on TheJournal.ie shortly.
Our reporter Aoife Barry has taken a deeper look at the important decision facing Brendan Howlin today. Purple, pink, blue, yellow or red?
Hi there folks - TheJournal.ie editor Susan Daly taking over the liveblog now as we get closer to the announcement from Messrs. Noonan and Howlin at 2.30pm.
From our Political Editor Hugh O’Connell in Leinster House comes the good news that there will be a “modest increase” in the Living Alone Allowance for older people.
And from old to young….
Some tweeters have been coming up with their own suggestions for improving the country’s coffers.
What do you think of this one?
David Hollywood / TwitterContraception to be reduced in price by 20% to reduce annual childrens allowance payouts #Budget15
— David (@dw00dz) October 14, 2014
Or this one, from the same guy. He should think of charging consultancy fees, no?
David Hollywood / Twitter5% tax on people that stop walking suddenly on a busy street #Budget15
— David (@dw00dz) October 14, 2014
And more from our man taking the temperature in the halls of Leinster House, Hugh O’Connell:
Speaking to a few government backbenchers around Leinster House and it’s fair to say there’s a very different mood amongst them to this time last year.
Labour in particular are buoyed by the plans to increase child benefit by €5 and partially restore the Christmas Bonus.
“We can go and face people on the doors now,” one Labour senator says, adding that Tánaiste Joan Burton has “really put her stamp” on this Budget.
One final go to make ‘the Burton Bounce’ a thing?
Two Shades of Purple:
Dept of Finance IRL / TwitterMinister Noonan and Minister Howlin at Budget 2015 photocall #Budget15 pic.twitter.com/AQe87fQy5G
— Department of Finance (@IRLDeptFinance) October 14, 2014
Even as the Dáil chamber begins to fill up:
Some people are getting fierce excited. Too excited, perhaps:
Bit of business to get out of the way in Dáil first: the announcement of the two new TDs for Dublin South West and Roscommon-Leitrim, Socialist Paul Murphy and independent Michael Fitzmaurice.
Fitzmaurice got a handshake and a laugh from Gerry Adams:
And a huge laugh from the assembled members when Paul Murphy shook hands with Tánaiste Joan Burton, whose Labour party took a huge nosedive in the constituency this time around (compared to 2011 election):
And here comes Finance Minister Michael Noonan with his Budget statement:
He gets in with a first pop at the Opposition, for saying the Government would “fail” in its bid to get the country back on track.
He’s missing this as a soundtrack:
“This government will not return to the boom and bust model,” says Noonan.
A few heartfelt ‘hear, hears’.
“The sacrifices of the Irish public” likely to be a repeated phrase in this speech to recognise that we’re not out of the woods, and that many people – as Noonan says – will not feel recovery while they are still out of a job, or seeing a hole in their pocket, or feeling the departure of a loved one through economic migration.
JOBS: Noonan estimates there will be 80,000 more employed by the end of this year than there were two and a half years ago. Two million at work in 2016, he reckons. He wants to see unemployment reduced to 10%.
GROWTH: 3.7% of GDP for 2014 forecast – well inside what they expected last year, he says. GDP growth of 4.7% forecast for 2014.
Real GDP of 3.6% in 2015 forecast originally – he says he’s revising that to 3.9% for 2015. “Solid and steady economic growth” is what we want.
DEBT: Net debt forecast 91% for 2014 (under 111% forecast previously). BUT we’re still way worse off than many in the EU so we can’t let that reduction to its own devices.
This is Noonan’s way of setting the scene for today’s Budget measures.
He is targeting a deficit of 2.7% (ahead of the recommended target of 2.9%) for Budget 2015, so we can… get ahead of ourselves?
CORPORATION TAX REFORM:
This is the bit exercising the Financial Times, Barack Obama and most of the EU. Ireland’s foreign direct investment attractions.
A “Road Map to secure Ireland’s place as a destination for the best and most successful companies in the world” being announced.
The rate of corporation tax – 12.5% – will REMAIN. “It never has been and NEVER WILL BE up for discussion”.
Improvements to measures and funding
Three-year tax relief for start-ups to be extended.
A ‘Knowledge Development Box’ – along the lines of patent box (we will bring you more on this on TheJournal.ie later – is being introduced. It is an intellectual property offering to attract future MNCs to Ireland.
And now onto the DOUBLE IRISH
It will be ABOLISHED by changing residency rules, from Jan 2015 for new companies – phased out for those already here:
Dept of Finance IRL / TwitterMN: End of Double Irish: change company tax residence rules - all companies incorporated in Ire auto tax resident in Ire #Budget15
— Department of Finance (@IRLDeptFinance) October 14, 2014
FARMING and AGRI-FOOD: It’s our largest indigenous sector and employs 170,000 people so we should look after it, yes?
The Agri-Taxation Review has brought this up:
There will be no milk quotas from 2015 but we need more land available – to improve long-term lesing of land, tax-exempt threshold increased to 50%; longer leases; CAT relief for active farmers; raising 40-year-age limit; extending CG measures; removing stamp duty on ag leases over 5 years; extending farm restructuring support.
There will also be help for farmers who have to seek income from another job to supplement their income from agriculture, along with changes to VAT registration for farmers.
Bloodstock sector will be helped with €6m over 3 years to horse racing and greyhound industry.
Micro-breweries are a big success for Ireland in recent years, so they will get more excise relief production capacity with the ceiling raise from 20k to 30k hectolitres.
Marine sector will also get a tax review like that which the agri sector got last year (leading to the measures he announced today).
Oil exploration is one area being looked at – that has been an area of controversy again in recent years.
Jesus, Michael Noonan, that’s a dreadful cough you have there.
Heather Humphreys perks up at mention of the film credits system.
There may be an increase next year to the eligible expenditure cap of €50m in this area – but he won’t look at that until next year’s Budget.
Travel and tourism
Big pat on the back for the government on tourist increases – Noonan says that the 9% VAT rate on tourism-related activities has been “a great success” and that there are 23,000 more people employed in the sector since mid-2011.
The 9% VAT rate WILL BE RETAINED.
But he warns the tourism sector to make sure the relief is passed on to the consumers. IE, beware the rip-off culture that might be springing back up.
And here’s an even bigger warning: “If prices begin to rise”, he’ll think of taking away that 9% rate. So now.
That 9% VAT rate was helped with the Pension Levy, which was continued last year.
He’s ENDING the 0.6% pension levy at the end of 2014.
The additional 0.15% levy for 2014/15 will expire at the end of 2015.
PROPERTY: The market is in shite, says Noonan. Sorry “not currently meeting the needs of our citizens”. In private, social and rental market. And he’s not wrong.
Supply is the issue, claims Noonan, and the State can’t meet either the private or social housing needs of the public. But neither can they use taxpayers’ money to prop up construction companies for the sake of it, he says.
PROPERTY: Brendan Howlin will speak about social housing.
He is keeping the Home Renovation Incentive – extending it to RENTAL properties whose owners pay income tax.
He is removing the 80% windfall tax on disposal or development of land which has been in the planning system since October 2009. This comes in next January 1.
He will remove the Capital Gains Tax relief by end of 2014 on purchase of property – it’s “no longer needed”, he says.
The CGT of 33% rate will now apply to property market.
First-time buyers get a refund on DIRT on savings used to purchase homes (up to 20%) up until the end of 2017. This comes in TONIGHT.
Noonan is vowing that tax incentives for developers will not be the priority to allow people who want to actually live in the houses/apartments they buy, to do so.
WATER CHARGES: Income tax relief on the standard rate will be available up to a maximum of €500 per household.
Noonan reckons this works out at about €100 back to households every year on what they are paying on water charges.
Cue heckles from the benches.
“Without interruption, please” says Ceann Comhairle.
SMEs: Loans are the issue – and cash flow – so the Strategic Banking Corporation of Ireland - will be formally launched at end of October. The Permanent TSB will start lending to SMEs again.
The Seed Capital scheme is coming back in the next few months too.
Foreign Earnings Deduction to be extended to SMEs operating an export business to a larger range of countries, and apparently there will be “an integrated export finance strategy in 2015″.
INCOME TAX CHANGES:
Let’s reiterate some of those main points on income tax and levies:
So, how will we pay for these breaks, incentives and reductions?
Well…
The price of cigarettes goes up by that predicted bump of 40 cent - it will now cost a tenner for a pack of 20.
No change to alcohol levies.
No change to tax on motor tax, VRT, diesel or petrol.
20 cent extra on 25g of roll-your-own tobacco.
Big smile from Michael Noonan.
So in brief:
The total raised will be €167 million.
Michael Noonan loves his Soundings anthology - cites Robert Frost’s A Road “Less Travelled By” on how his government has tackled the Budgets since 2011.
Now it’s the turn of Public Expenditure Minister Brendan Howlin.
We have to spend €50 billion in 2015 and this is an increase of €429 million on 2014 estimates. The good news though: He doesn’t think it will necessitate cuts this coming year.
CAPITAL SPENDING There will be an increase to €3.5 billion (an increase of €210 million) in 2015. This will also increase in 2016 and 2017, he vows.
JOBS: There will be a Low-Pay Commission established next year to look at how people are gaining, keeping or need help in gaining work at that end of the employment scale.
SOCIAL HOUSING:
This is an area of huge concern to people – and there will be €2.2 billion put into social housing provision for the next three years:
€1.5bn coming from the Exchequer
€300m from the PPPs (Public Private Partnerships) into social housing units by 2017
€400m from an “off-balance sheet financial vehicle” from next year – this will be given to approved housing bodies to use to increase supply
Over €800m for 2015 for the housing sector – Howlin says this is the first major investment in improving the situation since 2009.
Will provide additional 2,500 units in 2015 and 6,700 extra in total by 2017.
(There are 56,000 households waiting for social housing at last count, so it’s something – but will it make a huge dent in the supply issue?)
The sale of the Bord Gáis Energy business will provide some financing for the €400m of public investment Howlin says will be made available.
Sorry for bit of delay there folks – we’ve had to get a few more hamsters on our servers.
As we were saying, homelessness gets €10 million more than expected with €55.5 million in total on tackling the issue next year.
Remember our Homeless Ireland 2014 series from last month?
JOBS (AGAIN): The JobPath initiative is continuing to help long-term unemployed back into work – that sees €12m for 2015.
There will be €450 allocated to the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation.
There will be 6,000 places on the wage subsidy scheme, JobsPlus (doubles the number this year).
Science Foundation Ireland and Enterprise Ireland are allocated €260m for R&D next year.
CHILD BENEFIT will increase €5 a child from January 1.
SOCIAL PROTECTION: Joan Burton is getting €19.4 billion to give out in 2015 – there will be no cuts to schemes.
In fact, there will be a new back to work family dividend introduced to allow families to hold on to qualified child increases for 12 months after getting back to work (reduced by 50% in the second year).
Oh, and we forgot, and extra €5 increase to Child Benefit in 2016. Maybe. He’ll see.
SOCIAL PROTECTION:
And, as we predicted earlier, the Living Alone Allowance increase will be €9 a week – going to 180,000 older people from 1 January next.
Much halloooing around Howlin’s statement on Irish Water. We already heard Michael Noonan speak of tax relief of around €100 per household on their water bill – Howlin says allowances for others in the water subsidy will extend to those who get the fuel allowance every year.
HEALTH: Leo Varadkar will be looking at €13.1bn being processed through his department – a major initiative is to increase woefully-needed staff numbers so that mental health services can be improved, especially at primary care level.
EDUCATION: €8.3 billion earmarked here.
There will be 1,700 new full-time posts available in the sector with no increase to class size.
GARDAI: The recruitment of gardai restarted this autumn, and this will continue as €2.2bn goes to the justice sector.
However, will the new numbers be even enough to replace the number of gardai retiring, never mind increase the current number on the streets?
ARTS, HERITAGE, GAELTACHT: €212m
DEFENCE: €885m – the Naval Service vessel renewal is part of the plan here
CHILDREN: €975m
Brendan Howlin had no sooner taken his seat than these opportunists had gotten the Twitter Machine in motion:
Fianna Fáil’s Michael McGrath has been first to make his feelings known about Budget 2015.
He insisted Noonan and Howlin were taking the wrong course of action (‘the road more travelled,’ we suppose).
What’s this? Michael McGrath is happy that Michael Noonan has “stood over” the corporation tax rate of 12.5%.
But then says that all the other stuff (eg, closing the ‘Double Irish’ loophole) is a mistake and will put off multinationals coming here.
Michael Noonan’s Budget 2015 speech in a word cloud:
Seán Fleming of Fianna Fáil is also getting a run at the floor.
He’s pointing out that the recovery is not being felt by people in all sorts of sectors – he is focusing on a caring, sharing, social justice-oriented society.
The water charges will “cancel out any of the sweeteners announced by the Government” and that most people will not be better off next year, he says.
“The Government is borrowing money to give it away here today.” He’s implying that the FG-Labour coalition are looking towards the votes they will need in a general election within the next two years.
How will social welfare rates and benefits look after today’s announcement.
We have a handy rundown here>
Also, what in the name of God is a ‘knowledge box’?
Great explainer from our business expert Peter Bodkin, for your perusal:
Your comments on the liveblog today has shown some diversity.
Ronan is happy:
Eamonn is wary of giveaways this close to a general election:
The most controversial charges and levies of the past year are understandably grating on Shane:
Seafra has had a good think about the implications of the income tax and pension/USC levies:
And JMaireMc who wants us to look at ourselves, as a wider society:
Seán Fleming is still speaking and makes a point that makes the Dáil go very, very quiet: that there is no mention of suicide prevention in the funding announced in Budget 2015.
There was indeed mention of additional resources for access to mental health services at primary care level – but is this enough? What do you think?
Was there anything else you would have liked to have heard mentioned in Budget 2015 that wasn’t?
Protestors have been gathering outside Leinster House.
Our reporter down there, Órla Ryan, is down there, speaking to some of them.
Órla Ryan / TwitterUnsurprisingly, water charges are the main theme of protests outside Dáil. #Budget15 pic.twitter.com/KfIf42vHd2
— Órla Ryan (@orlaryan) October 14, 2014
Willie O’Dea is not getting to speak for Fianna Fáil so he’s made a big effort with the alliteration for this tweet…
Willie O'Dea / TwitterA strange mixture of the mediocre, the mundane and the minuscule #budget15
— Willie O'Dea (@willieodeaLIVE) October 14, 2014
Did we bring you Enda Kenny’s Budget 2015 message?
He concedes that recovery is something many of us have still to feel in our everyday life.
What do you think?
Fianna Fáil leader stood up for a moment before Sinn Féin’s Pearse Doherty took the floor.
Martin says that there is not one minister and not one junior minister still remaining in the Dáil chamber to hear Opposition responses to the Budget. He has never seen this before and thinks it stinks of disrespect from the Government.
In fairness, Enda Kenny is there. He’s not a minister but he is the Taoiseach.
Meanwhile, outside…
TheJournal Politics / TwitterLucinda Creighton going on RTÈ. Thinks this budget is more of the same old auction politics #budget15 pic.twitter.com/PImxwppkUo
— TheJournal Politics (@TJ_Politics) October 14, 2014
Pearse Doherty is really disgusted at Enda Kenny, who he says keeps chatting all through his speech.
Doherty feels the Government should have gotten rid of the water charges, and that the recovery is “for the few, not the many”.
He says there is no “State-led” stimulus and that the employment crisis is not being met with speedy, decisive solutions.
He is claiming that USC and tax changes will not help low-paid workers – because any gains will be cancelled out by water charges.
BREAKING.
Austerity as we know it is over.
Michael Noonan, Finance Minister, speaking to TheJournal.ie‘s Hugh O’Connell right now.
Far from being neutral, says Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald, this Budget is a disaster for the ‘coping classes’.
She points out that there are cuts coming into play in 2015, that were outlined last year, and these are the ‘hidden cuts’.
Here’s an interesting nugget shared with Hugh O’Connell at Leinster House:
“What’s the catch? Is there a catch?” asks a nervous enough Fine Gael TD who is worried about potential undiscovered landmines for the government in the Budget documentation.
From TheJournal.ie columnist and talented cartoonist, Donal O’Keeffe:
Donal O'Keeffe / Twitter@BiddyEarly I for one am glad that Michael Noonan has finally implemented my Knowledge Development Box going forward. pic.twitter.com/yIFn1voRJ4
— Donal O’Keeffe (@Donal_OKeeffe) October 14, 2014
From Social Minister Joan Burton at the Social Protection press briefing:
This is a fair budget. Families, older people, and low and middle-income workers will benefit Businesses will remain competitive … We will not do anything to imperil the recovery. The Government will continue to do what is right for Irish families. There will be no return to the recklessness of the past.
Our reporter Órla Ryan says that Burton explained the €5 hike in child benefit as something that would be “universal”.
(Er, only if you have a child, Minister.)
Burton also said that some €198 million more will be spent in the department next year, including €66 million in “support measures” for people struggling to pay water charges.
However, this particular support won’t apply to the short-term unemployed as Burton said they usually “get back to work quickly”.
Órla Ryan / TwitterHere's how the Government plans to help people pay water charges. #Budget15 pic.twitter.com/prgLTiFOAf
— Órla Ryan (@orlaryan) October 14, 2014
BREAKING: Mary Lou McDonald has been ordered to leave the Dáil chamber for arguing with Ceann Comhairle Seán Barrett.
He asked her to address the chair, as per Dáil procedure, and not across the floor to the Government.
She looked incredulous asking him if that was why he had interrupted her. When she went on to accuse him of making a biased intervention, Barrett stood up and told her to leave the chamber.
And so she’s out – and we are on to the Technical Group.
This won’t be the last you’ll hear of this, we imagine…
Hugh O’Connell has grabbed Finance Minister Michael Noonan for a special interview at Leinster House.
See the full interview here>
Well, you know, austerity as we know it is over, but you always have to cautious and prudent about the future. Certainly the policies I will follow will all be geared to ensure that austerity is over.
In the Dáil, independent TD Catherine Murphy and PBP’s Joan Collins have been speaking and are disappointed for the masses who continue to struggle with the after-effects of austerity.
And new Roscommon-South Leitrim TD Michael Fitzmaurice is making his debut speech as part of the Technical group. He’s bringing the rural perspective – and the specific challenges of living in rural Ireland – to the announcement:
PBP’s Richard Boyd-Barrett is not buying the Santa Claus suggestion of this Budget. He says that the more the Government appears to be giving, the more it is taking away.
The impact of the water tax is the problem here, again.
Oh dear.
James Reilly stuck headphones in his ear as Richard Boyd Barrett’s speech reached its impassioned and rather loud peak.
Those headphones could be for an Irish translation of speeches, or to his iPhone, sitting on the desk in front. We’re not sure why James Reilly would be using them at that particular point…
Let’s hope he’s listening to Thomas Pringle TD, independent TD.
He’s not impressed by the social housing measures.
Now it’s time for Paul Murphy to make his maiden speech, after his election last Saturday to Dublin South West.
He’s speaking for the Anti-Austerity Alliance.
And here he was earlier in the day. Fair to say he was absolutely delighted to be at his first day of work in Leinster House?
“People power will defeat these charges,” says Seamus Healy of the WUAG of the water charges.
Mick Wallace now talking about a “cartel” of a few people (developers, Mick?) controlling the rental property in Ireland, particularly Dublin.
Live from the Health briefing where Órla Ryan was speaking to Minister Leo Varadkar:
Health Minister Leo Varadkar has said that while there will be an “uplift” of €765 million in his department next year, one has to take into account the €500 million+ deficit in 2014.
The cycle of cuts in health has come to an end. The budget is challenging,but its targets are achievable.
Junior Minister Kathleen Lynch welcomed the €35 million ring-fenced for mental health services in 2015. She said that the department will develop forensic mental health community teams that will be incorporated into new mental health hospital.
It will also focus on eating disorders, which lead to highest death rate of all the conditions related to mental health.
Varadkar said he couldn’t guarantee that there wouldn’t be a health spend overrun this time next year, but said that the Government would be monitoring how hospitals spend their money more carefully.
Funding of €25 million will be set aside for delayed discharges to improve timelines in hospitals and community services.
There will be no change in the relief given to people who buy health insurance.
When asked about the possible introduction of ‘fat tax’ or tax on sugary foods, Varadkar noted that the department had put in a proposal of it last year but the Department of Finance had “lots of issues” with it.
He said both departments are working through these problems – such as whether or not it’s legal and what the experience has been in other European countries.
Independent TD Shane Ross is feeling like today’s announcement is a “big lie” because it shrouds the levies on water and “other things”. He welcomes the Pension Levy removal but that he feels that talk about GDP and growth mean nothing to the majority of people and that the Government is doing nothing novel or radical to change people’s lives.
Here he is, with the seconds of his speech ticking down:
Clare Daly, independent TD, “Ye really haven’t got a clue”.
She calls the Budget an “insult” and that they haven’t redressed the savage cuts that went before.
Maureen O’Sullivan, independent TD, asks: “Who is better off today?”
She speaks of the housing crisis in her central Dublin constituency and how the crisis was allows to escalate. She feels that the public-private partnerships have so far not delivered for citizens, and why are measures not being implemented IMMEDIATELY rather than a few months down the line to tackle rezoning.
As for the homelessness extra funding of €10m? It doesn’t solve the crisis of housing separately those who are in the throes of addiction, and those who are recovering.
And rent control? Where is that? (Good question, Maureen.)
Independent Finian McGrath speaks of those who are “left behind” and talks about the water charges protest last Saturday.
There were at least 80,000 on the streets.
While the Dáil is taking a short break, analysis is heating up outside the chamber.
And more than that, a furious Mary Lou McDonald is outside in the most literal sense. From our Political Editor, Hugh O’Connell:
She is NOT happy. She’s been told she won’t be allowed back in Dáil chamber for the rest of the night, meaning she can’t vote.
If you don’t know what that’s about, read this story>
Classic inclusion of a nurse married to a garda in the Government’s case study:
Simon Coveney / TwitterImpacts of budget tax decisions on take home income: pic.twitter.com/6n4R5spUpX
— Simon Coveney (@simoncoveney) October 14, 2014
Up close:
Noted by that naughty David McCullagh of RTÉ:
David McCullagh / Twitter@psneeze @simoncoveney They met in Coppers.
— David McCullagh (@mcculld) October 14, 2014
Joe Higgins, Socialist TD, is currently speaking in the resumed Dáil proceedings where various sections of the Budget are being put to what amounts to committee/discussion stage.
The hike of 40c on cigarettes is being discussed and it’s worth listening to (click into our livestream above) for the debate on whether this is a measure to save people, or to raise revenue.
LOVE/HATE reference in #Budget15. Finian McGrath calls the hike in cigarette price as the ‘Nidge tax’ because it “plays into the hands of the criminal”.
Looks like Labour and Fine Gael are on the same page on this Budget:
TheJournal Politics / TwitterJoan Burton sitting on the Dàil chamber steps beside Enda Kenny #budget15 pic.twitter.com/PVt5nGxnvV
— TheJournal Politics (@TJ_Politics) October 14, 2014
The first debate of the night is over – regarding the extra tax on cigarettes and they are currently voting on it. In most cases, the vote will be carried on measures in this Budget but we will keep you informed if there is any upset…
By the way, this isn’t the only liveblog on site this evening – if you’re interested in the Germany-Ireland game, our pals at TheScore.ie are hopping off the keyboard over here>
And in case you were wondering, the tobacco increases have been passed:
Tá 122: Níl 22
We’re onto a debate about that rebate on DIRT for first-time buyers who are using savings to buy a home (up to 20% of the price of the home).
From the press conference this evening with Department of Finance, Órla Ryan reports:
Órla Ryan / TwitterNoting the tax cuts etc, Howlin said the Irish govt doesn't live by the old naval maxim 'keep flogging til morale improves'. #Budget15
— Órla Ryan (@orlaryan) October 14, 2014
Michael Noonan said that the Budget focused on the two groups of people he feels were most affected by the recession:
1. Those who lost jobs
2. Those who emigrated
Noonan said that measures introduced today would be “mirrored” next year.
He added that the reduction in income tax from 41% and 40%, along with changes to USC, were aimed at helping the “squeezed middle” and lower earners.
However, when asked about the future of USC, he said:
Any tax system that collects €5 billion a year is hard to shift out of a tax code.
That line got a lot of laughs. Go figure…
What of the abolition of the ‘Double Irish’?
We explained it here.
This evening, Órla Ryan reports, Noonan said that he thinks that more companies will move their intellectual property here because it would be taxed at a lower rate than 12.5%, which would continue to apply at the manufacturing end.
Meanwhile, we’re not sure about the tone of the Department of Public Expenditure’s Twitter account today. (Read here)
What do you think?
In case you were wondering about how your pay will change after today’s Budget, we have a breakdown of different pay grades across single, coupled up, with children and on social benefits here.
As always with Budget announcements, little details eke their way out for hours and days after the publication.
Here’s one which is, of course, positive…
TheJournal.ie / TwitterWomen aged 65 to 69 will now be eligible for free breast cancer screenings under new health policy in today's Budget http://t.co/Q3HvvGuagG
— TheJournal.ie (@thejournal_ie) October 14, 2014
…but it does make you wonder how this hasn’t been available to this age group until now, doesn’t it?
Also, keep an eye out on TheJournal.ie in the morning on the shortfall in promised funding for mental health – and how that is a huge issue for our suicide prevention targets.
Even the Opposition is winding down on this ‘neutral’ (Michael Noonan’s word) Budget 2015, but the debate is still ongoing on Twitter.
The USC, cigarette tax hike, child benefit increase, Christmas bonus part-reintroduction – and Michael Noonan’s frog-in-throat intonation have dominated Twitter trends.
Although we appreciate this man’s attempt to sum up the whole of #Budget15 in one tweet:
We couldn’t have said it better ourselves, Pat.
Enda Kenny is on the Nine O’ Clock News on RTE One now.
He says:
This is not a bonanza Budget, this is not a blank-cheque Budget. This is the start of a tax reform programme over 3 years.
Taoiseach Kenny also denies that the water tax rebate is a response to Saturday’s protests and “the election of Paul Murphy.”
No, not at all.
Okay, so got this?
Earhole of the Budget 2015 liveblog just blown off by a roar from TheScore.ie desk…
TheScore.ie Football / TwitterUnbelievable scenes as Ireland equalise in the last minute against Germany! http://t.co/iL6WutE8ws
— The42.ie Football (@football_ie) October 14, 2014
In, ahem, other news, the Dáil has adjourned until 10.30am tomorrow to discuss more of Budget 2015.
Meanwhile, Enda Kenny thanks Stephen Donnelly TD for saying Budget is “politically strong.”
(Donnelly also said it was “economically weak.”)
Shane Ross / TwitterAngela Merkel wrote the Budget this afternoon but we stuffed her in the game this evening . Sweet revenge .
— Shane Ross (@Ross_Shane1) October 14, 2014
And Mary Mitchell-O’Connor is also feeling light-hearted after Budget Day, clearly.
Re. the plinth-climbing car today:
We’re going to wrap it up now for the evening – thanks for being with us for the last 12 hours.
Keep checking in with us on TheJournal.ie this evening for more on Budget 2015, including our readers’ panel on how it affected them.
Tomorrow morning, we’ll be looking at some of the things that this Budget has not touched (the rental market controls, anyone?); the areas that may well fall short (health and mental health services); what else the Government has promised and analysis of that claim today:
Have we really left austerity behind?
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The guy who got groomed by his school teacher is the ideal candidate for Merkel and our EU overlords.
@Big Lee: That was a good one
@Big Lee: what an in depth observation.
The other side of that is that Le Pen, being anti EU, is the ideal candidate for Putin and his expansionist notions
@Tony Canning: Le Pen won’t allow Merkel and her buddies continue to groom France and it’s people for violation. Macron will sit in Angela’s lap while she does it.
@Big Lee: Le Pen is the candidate for Le Pen only. She craves the position and the hunger for power is etched on her face. In the, according to the polls, extremely unlikely event that she wins, she will quickly do a Trump when faced with the impossibility of doing what she promised, and the rest of us will be up shit creek . . .
@Big Lee: Once again we know what this points at. You think this about one issue and it’s not.
@Big Lee: What about the guy that sexually assaulted numerous women and speed on underagec girls in their dressing room running the free world?
@Big Lee: It could be said of Le Pen. Failed twice in marriage, failed 6 times to become a French MP and previously failed to become President and looks like failing again.
Let’s give him the excuse that they use on the people when further eroding their rights through surveillance, ‘if you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to fear’.
Maybe this blaming the Russians is just a case of sporting excuses, getting them in before he fails in case the French people abandon him en masse. (Had to get that in).
Seriously if you are reading this and have a vote tomorrow then veuillez considérer vos voisins et cousins de la Méditerranée qui sont subjugués par l’euro, libérez-les, votez Le Pen. Je vous remercie.
@Big Lee:
Or on bended knee, after all he has a thing for pensioners..https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_BuD2EXcAQLVcq.jpg
@Revolting Peasant: Oui, d’accord.
@Mick Jordan:
Yes as opposed to the Rothschild banker who had 50,000 euro at such a young age to get out of his job contract, was part of the despised Hollande government, and at only 39 and in the space of less than a yr, tops the polls, if they are to be believed, while all the EU bankers, polticians and liar media, cheerlead and support him. And you sneer at Le Pen against all this corruption and banker boots stomping down on the ordinary people as they get their man into power, while siding with him yourself, yeah right
Something rotten in the state of France.
CNN said “he is defying the mainstream”
……….he is the frigging mainstream
Macron – the ultimate insider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6H0cjIN4gw
@Atlantean Irish: So you have a problem with him being smart!!! If he had €50,000 then he earned it by being intelligent enough to land a job that paid that type of money. Who was hired directly by the Hollande government to become one of France’s youngest ministers because they were able to recognise talent. And had the get up and go to create his own party and standing in his very first election looks likely to become the President of France. Against a woman who has been involved in politics her entire adult life but has continuously failed at it. Who inherited a party from her father who likewise continuously failed in his political ambitions.
@Mick Jordan:
Nobody earns that kind of money when you are just starting out in your new job, unless you are an establishment puppet being groomed to do their bidding in govt at a later date, which reports say is exactly what happened, he went straight into the high civil service and began doing deals for the bankers, he was their man in govt position.
“the get up and go” LOL that is naive. An Irish person who has seen how we have been at the mercy of corruption both national and international and how we are paying an austerity debt we do not owe to the same people who Macron is the lapdog for, should know better.
@Mick Jordan:
Le Pen’s actually did succeed, especially when you consider they had the whole establishment, banker system and media against them, did Msr Le Pen not reach the 2nd stage of a Presidential election, is that not an achievement despite the whole media being against you, same with Marine Le Pen in this election.
You seem to ignore the fact of the multicultural social engineering that has gone on for the past 2 decades and how anyone against it has been osctracised, vilified and been threatened with fines or jail, so even against that they actually were a success, whereas all the OpenBorders Extremists have had the luxury of the state being on their side and the media, yet could never get past a certain % of the vote, now that is real failure.
@Atlantean Irish: I would suggest talking to some stock traders in London or Frankfurt. Some have earned millions in their first year on the job. As for international banking wages can be astronomical just as they can be in the IT sector. Clever people can earn huge money very quickly. And like any other businesses, governments Headhunt those they deem to have what they need. And as for get up a go, then you discount those like Richard Branson, Elon Musk, Bill Gates,Mark Zuckerberg etc, self made Billionaires. They had the get up and go to make it.
@Atlantean Irish: Second is not winning no matter how you frame it. Losing is losing. 6 times she ran for the French Parliament and 6 times she Failed. She ran for President in 2012 and Failed. Failure after failure after failure. See a trend here.
@Big Lee: What about the radio DJ?
@Mick Jordan: By your estimation all the 1916 hero’s are losers too. Nigel Farage has done nothing but lose. I think you haven’t got very long-term view. Le Pen might not win this battle but her mere existence is just another torpedo into the disgusting EU project and she will feel like a winner the day it sinks forever
Is there another surprise in Le Pen being elected ? Have the media turned the people again on insisting Macron ? Power of the media is diminished hugely with the internet. Similarly here in Ireland , Media , FF and FG after near 100 years are losing their grip with the church included..
@Willy Malone: Yeah that’s why the Irish people voted for a FF / FG government for the first time since the foundation of the State only 12 months ago.
@Grainne Abdulaziz: I think you’ll find FF FG combined vote was lowest in history of state ☺
I predict that trend of diminishing returns to continue as explained above ☺
@Willy Malone:
I think the internet is doing more harm than good to AAA/PBP.
Are AAA/PBP (or whatever you call yourselves ) at 3% at the moment ? I think it is because of your party’s nasty , arrogant and hostile social media campaign against anyone with an opposing view.
You need to change the broken record whining on about FG /FF/LAB , “banksters” and neoliberals .
Even with the dreadful Enda Kenny and Michael Martin calling the shots you are still bouncing around rock bottom with Renua and the Greens
I am glad that your propagandist wing have stopped the cutting and pasting .
@Jimmy jones: You must be a blouse shirt or perhaps a flip flopper agitated by my truthful comment ☺
Seems you and your kind have lost the ability or are loosing that ability to force your elitist ways on the people and as said your very agitated … Poor soul ☺
@Willy Malone: Exactly ……nasty , arrogant and hostile social media
On official record:
Combined voted for FG and FF in last elections for last four decades.
1982 – 84.6%
1982 – 84.4%
1987 – 71.3%
1992 – 63.6%
1997 – 67.2%
2002 – 64%
2007 – 68.9%
2011 – 53.5%
2016 – 49.8%
I think people voted for a party or person they liked or least hated. Nowhere on the ballot paper was there an option for choosing a coalition.
Welcome to the New World Order, a dictatorship run by Vladimir Putin and supported by his Alt-Right cheerleaders. The Far-Right have killed democracy.
@Grainne Abdulaziz: they’ve cracked the art of manipulating it. Killing it could potentially be less damaging.
@Grainne Abdulaziz: CIA/NSA lead the world in this field. No doubt about it.
@Big Lee: So easy to type, as usual – link/evidence? No…
@Grainne Abdulaziz: I’d take putin over sharia any day…
@Big Lee: that’s a fabrication, they have been overun by Russia for more than 15 years. But the projection that the us is stronger in this regard is something the Russians want you to think.in fact your posts and efforts on the subject are an example of this in action.
@Matty kinevan: why have either.? See again this is the type of stuff that is put out . Putin’s not as bad as that extreme Islamic stuff… They are both bad we don’t want or need either.
@Grainne Abdulaziz: Do you have any proof of your allegations that Russia and the Alt-right are behind this?
@Jason Culligan: Jason isn’t real Jason is an example of this ever present consistent diatribe anti democracy anti EU anti anything.
@Grainne Abdulaziz:
Proof, links etc?
@Fank Pulman: mute is a great thing for idiots like him.
@Jason Culligan: releasing emails of only one candidate (the one that isn’t considered far right) is obviously an attempt by someone to influence an election in favour of one candidate. It doesn’t have to be the Russians etc to be an affront to democracy. Everyone has baggage and secrets. If u only learn of the secrets of one candidate of course ur views will be unfairly biased. Either have all secrets of both candidates open for scrutiny or allow candidates to have privacy. U can’t have it one way for one candidate and not or the other.
@Grainne Abdulaziz: Lol, Liberals are the ones protesting democracy on a daily basis
@scoop delivery
Extreme Islam is a ting group in the Muslim world… Putin posses nuclear weapons and an army of hackers…
Putin is far more dangerous
@George Orwell: you are being found out. You are now on a pedestal your subversion is no longer under the radar. People can see you. People will see you. Europe is stronger than you.
@Matty kinevan: get a life you bigot.
@Ossi Fritsche: Oh name calling. Well done. *clap clap clap What next? Are you going to break all my crayons in half?
IT’s amazing how up their own hole some people are about proof when it suits them. If you want to be all academic about things then be consistent. The same people happy to put out their own unverified opinion aren’t so quick to provide links, quotes, proof when asked.
@Grainne Abdulaziz: Really? by the misbehavour and lies of democracies ruling elites this nonsesen about false data mixed with true is a good one I give you. But the devil is in the detail will make good reading seeing what the next French president got up.
@Austin Rock: Matty and Big Lee are Putin trolls, plain and simple. The same ones that flooded the Trump threads with red thumbs during the US election. Putin wants to destabilize the west, plain and simple. The easiest way to do that is to instill populist morons and let them rot from the inside.
@Philip Gerard: Do you even know what a populist is Phil? You’re consistently embarrassing yourself here
@Grainne Abdulaziz:
Austerity and immigration was not done by Putin, but by Western leaders allied to big banking system.
What’s he afraid of if the emails are untrue as he says they are. He’s the media’s pet politician so they were hardly going to publish them and yet he felt he had threaten them with legal action if they did. Makes you wonder.
@John Adams: about what John? It makes you wonder why Russia is actively engaged in tearing Europe apart.
@John Adams: your question makes me wonder about you John.
@John Adams: Silly comment given the timing of this release. There is a ban on French media doing ANY reporting on the election until polls close.
Naive.
@John Adams:
a) he hasn’t threatened them not to publish, the French Commission for Electoral Affairs did.
b) they did so because fake were mixed with the real ones.
c) everyone knew his websites had been hacked a couple of weeks ago, and there would be some kind of last minute leak.
d) I’m French but my grammar, spelling and punctuation in English are correct, unlike yours. Excuse my French.
Constant and ever present misinformation, no breaks no alterations just continual negative posts , comments jibes automated and manual efforts by Russia to control the views they wish to present in any country anywhere on earth. This is the new future and it’s subversive and consistent. Be aware.
@scoop delivery: there’s reds under the beds …
@scoop delivery: Yep, And as I said hundreds times before the West do nothing about it. I have been monitoring these bots since 2004 in Ukraine and Ireland since 2009. Assange opened his face completely. Anyone has any doubt who this “hero” work for? After publishing info on Clinton during US elections (and not just publishing all but 1 by 1 so to change ppl opinion), then saying “US intelligence report on US is a joke” (yet even Trump admitted that was the case and Russia arrested 3 senior FSB officers related to IT after one week of Trump’s briefing by FBI), and now, he said he had info on Macron around 1 month ago, yet he is publishing this info right before the election and mixing with fakes. And yea , the country he works for has huge level of corruption, low level of life ,science, education . There are no privacy at all. Any website could be shut by local judge, and FSB does not need any “super smart” programs to tap into social networks like ANB. They just come and take info they need, and everybody phones monitored without any permission.
@scoop delivery: Ha Ha really funny
@Austin Rock: What funny?
You can already see on this article the streams of paid shills directing the narrative heavily liking and promoting their comments to get to the top of the thread , this is an online war ever present consistent and always on.
@scoop delivery: paid shills? Just like everybody that espouses differing views to your own?
@JJ O Riordan: you are not real jj but good try xxx
@scoop delivery: not real? Explain?
@scoop delivery:and you are a real person!!!! LOL
@scoop delivery: It’s always the case. Consistently happens on most stories.
Macron can tell a tall tales,he is learning this from enda Kenny.
@@mdmak33: how nice , localised for each country . You guys know what you are doing. In the same breathe it’s blantantly obvious.
@scoop delivery: You’re becoming extremely paranoid, Scoop. Careful you don’t overload yourself and suffer some kind of psychotic episode.
Oh, to get back to the days of innocence and decency when all media outlets delivered only the truth and transparency was the norm and there was no left or right or in between, just pure unadulterated facts! Ha hahahahahaha!
Will they leak his plan to reduce public service numbers by 120000 and reduce France public spending by €65 billion……Thatcherisn comes to France finally….
@John003: Erm, this has actually been well known throughout the campaign . . .
@Neil Mcdonough: All the coverage I saw on RTE and the BBC left that little detail of his policy out
@John003: Well, as it is part of his election policies, the French media covered it and that’s what counts no?
@John003: Another Putin shill speaks shyte.
Crooked Emmaunel!
@Big Lee: Biased anonymous coward.
@Big Lee: Enfermez-le! :-)
@Danny Rafferty: He’s a Putin fluffer. Try posting something negative about Russia on these threads. Watch the backlash.
@Big Lee: This right here is a sign that the comments section of the journal is compromised by bots. It is a non-comment lacking in wit or information from a troll, that has accumulated 66 likes. Before the ditching of red thumbs on the journal, those making far right supportive comments were pushed to the top by a barrage of likes and centre or left leaning comments got a barrage of red thumbs pushing them down.
After the thumb system change, centre and left leaning comments were higher in order as they reflected the true view of the Irish majority. Recently though bots have been rewritten to adapt to this change and have seen auto liking of right leaning views, pushing them to the top again.
@Tom Cullen: This was widely seen on Facebook and Twitter in the build up to the US elections.
Do the views of the Irish public change according to software overhauls of The Journal? Or is there strong symptoms of outside interference?
There needs to be better IP observance by the journal. What is the origin IP address of likes and comments made on articles, is there a a relatively rapid liking by a certain string of the same IP addresses on one particular users comments. This is getting serious as it shows, if a small Irish news outlet has resources being used on it, to what extent does this go on for larger international outlets. The Czech Republic noticed this phenomenon and set up a dedicated team to investigate and tackle the spread of this IT sabotage on news outlets in its own country.
@Tom Cullen: It’s the crab people
Yep, maybe it’s Crab people who have a vision and hope for the world that differs to Tom Cullen. Why would anyone think that a small Irish publication, such as this one, would have any influence in the playground of world affairs? If the crab people actually exist I’m sure that they wouldn’t bother their ar&ss with this rag.
@Tom Cullen: Tom where do you buy your tinfoil? (Thanks Alan b)
@Patrick J. O’Rourke: The journal has over 500,000 installs on Google play store and probably not far off the same on Apple store. Any outside interference has potential to influence 1 million people. For one hacker to be dedicated to this task would not take a huge amount of time, but have a massive return of influence. Real warfare is not being fought with bullets anymore, the cyber threat is real and there is one country that does it better than anyone for over a decade now.
@Matty kinevan: You and Big Lee are clearly a trolls with backing of bots, you use a fake Twitter account purely to comment on Journal articles. If you were real or credible you’d use a real account that hasn’t been created in the last month. Nothing more needs to be said on this issue as the above string of comments are transparent enough.
It would seem that the sensible thing for Macron to do is release the originals of the documents he is saying are fake (if such originals exist)
If he has nothing to hide, then it will put much of this to bed without any fuss.
@John Fitzpatrick: The fair thing to do would be for LePen to release all her stuff too, no????
@Philip Gerard: Yeah, it would. In an ideal world are politicians would be transparent about their dealing, but that doesn’t happen.
However, your argument is whataboutery – do you not think Macron should take actions to clears his name, especially if he says some of the leaks are falsified?
@John Fitzpatrick: there is a media blackout before the elections. He’s not allowed to publish anything. That’s why it was done just before midnight so Macron can’t defend himself. Has Russia and Assange written all over it.
Any candidate standing against the far, hard or extreme right can expect to be hacked. The extreme right will not get into power without cheating and so they cheat.
@Tony Daly: The rise of the “right” is due to the failures of the left. You’re taking the Clinton line of, oh it’s everyone else’s fault… Very immature.
@Matty kinevan: And you’re taking the line that the rise of the right is the lefts fault! Pot, kettle?
@Matty kinevan: I’m explaining that the hard right/extreme right hacked Macron’s campaign so as to reduce his decisive and overwhelming lead over Le Pen.
Most Western democracies have not had a real left wing Government in well over the last decade. It is right wing neo liberal economic policies which are at the root of the malaise in Europe.
@Neil Mcdonough: Well who else is to blame? In your world, Europeans have just become super racist all of a sudden haven’t they?
@Tony Daly: Right wing neo liberals… did you really just say that..
@Matty kinevan: What do you know about my world? Comments like that kind of ruin the little credibility you have. Who’s to blame? Well, the journal is hardly the forum to really expand on that, too many simpletons here who blame loony lefty libtards for everything . . .
@Neil Mcdonough: In other words, you have no argument. Just say that then
@Matty kinevan: Great comeback Matty, lacking in substance as usual . . . Just for you: the rise of the far right is mostly down to scared sheep believing the biggest apes who thump their chests the loudest rather than actually trying to live in a complex world that requires thinking. It’s, as Tony said, right wing neo-liberal feral capitalism that has created the mess. It might surprise you, but if it wasn’t Le Pen he was up against, I wouldn’t vote for Macron in a million years . . .
@Neil Mcdonough: The rise of the “right” in Europe is due to the migration crisis and the utter failure of the left wing establishment to deal with it in an honest and efficient manner. Plain and simple. It was predicted many years ago, by many people, that this would occur. This might surprise you, I place myself firmly on the left. My politics are probably pretty much identical to yours. I just don’t have the blind spot that many so called liberals seen to have developed in recent years.
@Tony Daly:
What makes Le Pen extreme? Saying her country France should be kept French? Saying she looks out for the interests of the French people? Defending the people against capitalist bankers and big business who got the left to open the borders to cheap labour. Doesn’t sound very “rightwing” to me nor extreme.
I would be very interested in seeing what is in Le Pen’s and her staff’s emails.
If there was anything incriminating in the documents they would have been released some days ago. In all likelihood, in the absence of anything incriminating, they released them this late to cause questioning and confusion. The cyber ops attack falsely alleging tax evasion by Macron on the day of the debate was traced to alt-right linked accounts in the US and over 200 separate Russian-based French-language twitter accounts. It certainly looks like another coordinated ploy by the international right to smear an opponent and to maximise LePen’s vote share.
@Roland Tormey: a fair assessment.
The far right know that Macron will decisively win on a democratic basis. Therefore, the far right wants to subvert democracy and in that way prevent Macron’s election.
The obvious observation is that Le Pen’s campaign has not been hacked.
@Roland Tormey: Those who wish to mess with elections learned a lot from Comey.
“France will be led by a woman either me or Merkel”
Marine Le Pen
One would wonder if Putin & Co are behind this. Russia has given millions of Euro to the NF in France plus RT and Sputnik news channels ( both news channels are run from the Kremlin) are openly hostile to Macron and supportive of Le Pen. And Moscow has been feeding stories to Wikileaks for years plus all the recent Russian cyber attacks on Sports people. Maybe I should put a few quid with the bookies for the French Intelligence services to say it was Russia behind this.
@Mick Jordan: Of course in Russia there are no elections that deserve the name so there’s little chance of anyone else interfering is there . . . :-)
@Mick Jordan: Of course they are. Closeted, self-loathing homosexual Putin is still fighting the cold war his nation of criminals lost.
@Mick Jordan:
Of course they are. Putin’s objective is to weaken Europe by sowing the seeds of division, doubt and discord, and splinter society in the process.
If he can succeed in tearing apart the EU it would be his wet dream, hence his involvement in Brexit and his tacit support of Le Pen.
Similar tactics already worked in the US – just look how deeply divided they are as a country since Trumpy took office.
I’m amazed that so many people aren’t awake to what’s going on.
@Mick Jordan:
Any proof russia are behind it or that they have given millions to FN?
And if are openly hostile to Macron, then so what, doesn’t that balance out the open hostility of western media to Le Pen, which you seem to have no trouble with?
@Atlantean Irish: The evidence of the money given to FN by Russia is in their accounts that by French law all political parties have to publish. As for proof of Russian hacking were did I claim they did? What I did do was ask if it could have been Russia especially as they have been proven to have interfered in other elections and have been attacking sports people because of Russian cheating being exposed.
When yer explainin yer losin ya little bankster Rothschild pr ick. Go Le Pen Go (attaches clothespeg to nose) keep that little financial frog out of the irish corporate tax pool.
@John O’Driscoll: Yeah John, let’s destroy Europe just to protect the Irish corporate tax pool. Bit contradictory then to rant about a banker, no?
Without France, there is no ‘Europe’ in any sense other than a landmass.
@Neil Mcdonough: in truth Neil Europe has done its bit to destroy us quite a lot lately. Fair’s fair. End of the day if IRL doesn’t look out for Her own interests the Big Beasts hardly will. Which is better, sovereign and indefeasible destines or a PRovinCe once again at the farthest reaches of a nEU Roamin’ Empire, with its hypermilitarising bankster dominated unaccountable and democratically challenged Elites? Well history shows we’ve our own unaccountable Elites here always home-grown or imported so like Le Pen and this latest Bankster Puppet we are caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue as ever, just as with Trump and Hilary. There are no good options there is no solid ground
@John O’Driscoll: You need to stop taking whatever it is you’re taking.
Just look at all these “Irish people” with first time commenting on The Journal(they are Russian Bots in reality) who woke up today and decided to log in and write a comment under this article :)))))).
@Oleksandr Savitskyy: just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean we’re not out to get you Olek…
@John O’Driscoll: You are a well known Putin supporter so you are hardly one to speak.
@Mick Jordan: gosh Mick, evidence?
@John O’Driscoll: That you are a Putin supporter? Just go back through any story that has or involves Russia.
Sounds like they are getting the excuses in early, just in case like.
What I find most telling about this article is the light in which Macron has cast by the media, the ‘centrist’ candidate. The left now deems itself the new Centre, that is the objective truth and therefore the reasonable choice, and anything or anyone else is by implication unreasonable and untrue. No surprise there though.
Well he would say that wouldn’t he but I don’t believe ham hacking is going to overturn a two to one lead in the polls because modern western voters are a tiny bit wiser than that.Voters are suspicious of both sides anyhow.
It’s sad that absolutely any grisly story true or a lie about Le Pen or Trump or any of the far right guys will only harden their supporters ardour in the same fashion as Kim Yong, Hitler, Mao tse tung were untouchable.
“France will be led by a woman either me or Merkel”
Marine Le Pen
@Atlantean Irish: Macron is a big fan of Merkel and her policies and an ex-Rothchild employee?
Being backed by Obama now as well???
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/barack-obama-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-meghan-mccain-speech-fee-400000-wall-street-journal-new-a7707091.html
Again, Russia innovates nothing. All they are good for is hacking emails and bank accounts. A nation of cyber criminals and thugs. The Russians have the manners of pigs. Anyone who’s holidayed where they are or dealt with their tourists in Ireland know it’s true. They have nothing to offer the world except oil and that’s going away soon. Poor, little, closet gay Vladi and his Napoleon complex. Still angry he lost the Cold War so he bombed women and children in Syria to make himself feel relevant and prop up his butcher friend. He won the US election but the French are prepared now.
@Philip Gerard: Ever looked up Vault 7 on the wikipedia website? I just think you hate Russian or are you like the army of paid ones that Monsanto has but with Russians instead??
https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/MDLLetNothingGomotion.pdf
https://usrtk.org/pesticides/mdl-monsanto-glyphosate-cancer-case-key-documents-analysis/
Y at-il une merde dans les fichiers????
I was looking forward to something like this, almost expected at this point.
@David Fülöp: When in a panic blame the opposition or Russia?
What if in a weeks time they were proven not to be false? I can’t see how they can be false if they were stuck on the wayback machine website, if they were hacked from an account that allows this site to keep a copy of them???
This guy has slimebag written all over his face.
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