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Calls for new law to 'call child pornography what it is' - child abuse

“It’s time to get tough with these people.”

TWO MEMBERS OF the Oireachtas are leading a call for a new bill against sexual offences to change all references to “child pornography” to “child abuse material.”

Yesterday’s announcement of the 2014 Sexual Offences Bill includes offences against organising, producing, arranging, possessing and distributing “child pornography.”

Those strengthened legal measures – and others targeting trafficking and child grooming – have been widely welcomed.

However, there have been calls today for Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald to change the language of the statute to acknowledge the seriousness of images and videos featuring child sexual abuse.

“We have to call it what it is – child abuse,” Labour TD Ciara Conway told TheJournal.ie.

It’s time for us to get tough with these people.
The word ‘pornography’ has certain connotations and might give the impression that there are willing participants.
These children do not have a choice in this.

Independent Senator Jillian van Turnhout has also appealed to Fitzgerald to ensure that the new law reflects the absence of consent and “horrific” nature of child pornography.

The International Police Organisation INTERPOL has stopped using the term “child pornography” for these reasons.

Instead, the group refers to the offence as “child sexual abuse material”, “documented child sexual abuse”, “child sexual exploitive material”, “child abuse images,” or “depicted child sexual abuse.”

Pornography is a term used for adults engaging in consensual sexual acts distributed (mostly) legally to the generally public for their sexual pleasure.
Child abuse images are not.
They involve children who cannot and would not consent and who are victims of a crime.
The child abuse images are documented evidence of a crime in progress – a child being sexually abused.

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    Mute Celtic Eagle
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 7:01 AM

    Ireland should be neutral in foreign conflicts. It would be sad if we lost that reputation.

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    Mute Con Cussed
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 8:39 AM

    @Celtic Eagle: This is rich coming from a ring wing person such as you! Isn’t the Eagle a Nazi symbol ? In other aspects, the eagles represents honesty, truth, majesty, strength, courage, wisdom, power and freedom – not seen any of that coming from your comments in the Journal.

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    Mute motojack
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 9:42 AM

    @Con Cussed: ah jaysus. “I dont like your comment so I’m going to call you fascist.” Listen to yourself.

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    Mute Con Cussed
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 10:07 AM

    @motojack: You should read his comments about Ukraine, LGBTQ+ and other things.

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    Mute GaMran
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 10:51 AM

    @Con Cussed: none of those make him a fascist. He simply has a different view,one which somand gets literally playground bullied in the comment section. Also, his comments were about neutrality this time not the lgbtq etc.

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    Mute GaMran
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 10:56 AM

    @GaMran: I don’t agree with him on a lot but I listen to them. Also do you always agree with a person on every subject? I met people who are left supporters and sick of the gender politics,emigration etc. Still vote against the right because the other 1000 ideology they held is leftist. Gotta stop putting people into two groups. (left/ far right) I am in no way standing up for what this dude says most of the time but he has a right to say it without being constantly bullied and get sent nasty personal comments back.

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    Mute Con Cussed
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 11:05 AM

    @GaMran: Actually in essence I agree with you. I have desire in any way to bully the bully!

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    Mute Con Cussed
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 11:18 AM

    @Con Cussed: Ooops, I have NO desire in any way to bully the bully!

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    Mute Keth Warsaw
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 12:18 PM

    @Con Cussed: In that case you called a raging communist.

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    Mute Keth Warsaw
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 12:19 PM

    @Celtic Eagle: Well said.

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    Mute Michael Nolan
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 12:36 PM

    @Con Cussed: i think u just did

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    Mute Con Cussed
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 3:06 PM

    @Keth Warsaw: LOL ;0)

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    Mute John Quill
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 7:49 AM

    We still need major investment in our military, starting with decent wages for our servicemen and women.

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    Mute Ian Hoey
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 9:05 AM

    We absolutely have to stay neutral. Apart from everything else, we don’t have the money to build an army capable of fighting in wars.

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    Mute Crypto Sleuth
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 9:49 AM

    @Ian Hoey: but we are benefiting from all the perks of living in a part of the free world…

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    Mute Paul Shepherd
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 2:04 PM

    @Ian Hoey: we don’t need to spend money building a military. If, for example we joined NATO, we would be in a position to provide bases and other infrastructure for allied forces to secure Europe’s western flank. I would imagine we would benefit in the sense that it would be in their interests to help equip and modernise our military.
    In any event, it’s all academic as we will continue to bury our heads in the sand and fool ourselves into thinking everything is peachy.

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    Mute George Vladisavljevic
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 4:46 PM

    @Paul Shepherd: It does actually cost money to be a member of the NATO club. I believe that the US and others were pushing for a 2% of GDP spend on the military budget. Not sure of what is spent on the military here but have a funny feeling that it is far from 2 percent.

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    Mute Seamus O'Corcorain
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    Nov 24th 2022, 3:33 AM

    @Ian Hoey: Maintaining military neutrality s actually more expensive that being part of an alliance. Now we have to equip ourselves to defend our sovereign territory from being used by any participant in foreign wars. All along we have been happy to let France and the UK defend our seas and skies.

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    Mute David cotter
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 8:03 AM

    I don’t see how you can be neutral in todays world…we have to side with Ukraine and expulsion of our diplomats and politicians by Russia is pretty aggressive…
    Ok we don’t have military hardware but is staying quite acceptable ..not really..

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    Mute Ciaran
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 8:12 AM

    @David cotter: we were neutral in the world of Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and Spain’s Franco dictatorship in the late 1930s.. it’s the same world , different year..

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    Mute Derek Goulding
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 8:19 AM

    @Ciaran: that’s because Dev fancied being a propped up leader by the said regimes

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    Mute Con Cussed
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 8:28 AM

    @Ciaran: Two wrongs don’t make a right! We’re not politically neutral and therefore why be militarily neutral? The Russians certainly don’t think we’re neutral!

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    Mute Eric Foley
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 10:30 AM

    @Derek Goulding: No he didn’t. Ireland assisted the allies in many ways. We returned only allied airmen. We provided intelligence and vital weather forecasts.

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    Mute Michael Nolan
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 12:38 PM

    @Ciaran: spot on just a other day at the office ….i think anybody thinks that strongly about going to war ..i say off u pop just don’t drag everybody with u

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    Mute Michael Nolan
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 12:39 PM

    @Derek Goulding: but like ffgwith the tanks and the eu

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    Mute Michael Nolan
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 12:39 PM

    @Michael Nolan: Yanks

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    Mute Michael Nolan
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 12:40 PM

    @David cotter: what’s this we white man

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    Mute Daniel Roche
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 1:24 PM

    @Derek Goulding: Any facts to go with that.

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    Mute Declan Carr
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 2:42 PM

    @David cotter: “We have to side with Ukraine” who said we have to. we don’t have to but we do, and we will pay the price for it. Watch this small clip, this is the Ukraine that we are helping https://twitter.com/RueDaungier/status/1595004035773657090?s=20&t=I_Jq55HMJB3wyIzIgUZeUg

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    Mute cormac garvey
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 12:18 PM

    Not the same world. Radically different. No cyber hacking,targeted social media propaganda,internet transatlantic cables or major US FDI investment in Ireland back then.And most of all. No Nuclear ICBMs. We are a 2ndary target, after London etc because of our strategic Atlantic position. We can choose to accept that and try to prepare .Or not prepare and 100% fail.

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    Mute Brian Henoll
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 3:09 PM

    @cormac garvey: Fact!

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    Mute Bramley Hawthorne
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 2:17 PM

    With our neutral international position and the respect it attracts we could propose peace talks to the belligerents and in every international body where we have a voice – the EU, the UN etc.
    The Good Friday agreement was a remarkable achievement as it dealt with populations on the ‘wrong’ side of state lines. Many of the negotiators of that agreement, such as Bertie Ahern and David Trimble, are still active and I’m sure willing to participate in such a bold call.

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    Mute mr spacechimp
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 3:15 PM

    @Bramley Hawthorne: Be very hard for David Trimble to participate since the man died earlier this year

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    Mute Alan Carroll
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    Nov 23rd 2022, 6:56 PM

    No country in the world with a history of occupation like Ireland, 6 counties still occupied despite Brit propaganda, has a weaker military than Ireland. It’s perverse.

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    Mute Richard Mccarthy
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    Nov 27th 2022, 9:50 AM

    Let’s get one thing straight sitting on the fence (as neutrality implies) in times of crisis is not an option and never will be for any country,this country once gladly acceped millitary help when it was needed ,we should help others like Ukraine against Russian aggression with every means at its disposal including military hardware,doing nothing (as neutrality implies) to help should never be an article in our constitution,it would be quite bizarre and crazy.

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