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A YOUNG BRITISH serviceman who lost a leg in an explosion in Basra, Iraq, has called out those who propagate Islamophobia in a powerful social media post.
27-year-old Chris Herbert lost his right leg in that bomb blast in 2007, but he doesn’t appear to hold any grudge.
In fact, the rising racial tensions being seen around the world currently appear to irritate him greatly if his Facebook post yesterday is any judge.
The post is essentially a rebuttal to those who expect him to hate Muslims given the manner in which he lost his leg.
“Yes. A Muslim man blew me up, and I lost my leg,” he says.
A Muslim man also lost his arm that day wearing a British uniform. A Muslim medic was in the helicopter that took me from the field. A Muslim surgeon performed the surgery that saved my life.
Contrary to that, a white brit spat in my girlfriends face for ‘fucking a cripple when you could have me (him)’, a white brit pushed my wheelchair away from a lift so he could use it first, a white brit screamed at my Dad for parking in a disabled bay when I was in the services coming home.
“Point is, fuck off, I know who I dislike and I know who I don’t.”
Herbert’s point is a simple one: that hating an entire race of men and women for the actions of a few doesn’t make much sense, and is certainly not for him.
“Blaming all Muslims for the actions of groups like Daesh and the Taliban is like blaming all Christians for the actions of the KKK or the Westboro Baptist Church.”
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Ok, but we must keep it in mind that the British are the worlds no 1 when it comes to political correctness. PC to the average Brit is taken as seriously as as the Koran is taken by a Muslim. I know it sounds lol but that’s the world we inhabit God helps us
It is interesting and refreshing to read about someone in his position who can have his own opinions because the army breaks people down and rebuilds them to follow orders no matter what so i would say the army discourages any members having an opinion.
Why should he have every reason to hate Muslims though? Because his leg was lost in combat?
Just remember that he willingly signed up to an army that invaded other countries which involves people fighting back.He allowed himself to be put in the situation that led to losing his leg.
The Dude, did you happen to see the video where they read out horrific versus from the Quran to people on the street but it turns out these versus were actually from the bible. Versus that say we should stone our neighbours etc.
“if you reject my commandments and abhor my laws, you will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters.” “A women should learn in quietness and full submission” “I do not allow for a women to teach, I will cut off her hand” All of these verses are from the Bible. This is what is thought in the Bible, this is what Christians are thought to believe and follow much like how the Quran was ment to teach Muslims.
Very much agree with you there Aaron. The bible is as violent as the Quran in many ways. No religion is violent, it’s the people who interpret these texts that choose to be violent.
lol The Dude.If the average muslim does not adhere to some of the “actual ” teachings in the Koran then we have just as much to worry about when Catholics, Protestants, Methodists, Jews etc etc don’t adhere to the actual teaching that are in the bible. Where god constantly commands his followers that they should go into the lands of their enemies and rape, pillage and plunder!
You’re 100% right Aaron – Bible is ferocious in parts.
Might be wrong but I haven’t seen news reports christians out cannibalising, cutting off hands and stoning neighbours for a while now. Majority of christians have evolved beyond acting on literal interpretations.
Unfortunately the very doctrine of Islam prevents that same evolution. Thankfully however, a large majority of Muslims are sensible enough to be selective about which parts of the Quran they choose to adhere to, yet turn a blind eye to the really nasty stuff.
The important thing to take away from this is not that the Quran is inherently evil, nor is the bible. These pieces of texts, these guidelines were written some 2000 years ago, society was an infinitely different place back then.
These books should not be taken in a literal sense by either groups of people and should never be considered a representation of our modern society or how our society works, the problem exists only when people (on both sides) think that 2000 year old books should be strict representations of our society, thankfully on both sides, those people are a tiny minority.
Aaron, I agree with everything you have said. But you’re missing a very important question. Where are the large groups of Christian Biblical Fundamentalists blowing themselves up all over the world?
My concern as always is it’s the minorities that whip up and fundimentalise the rest, as with National Socialisum (Nazi Party) which developed its own brand of cultism on so called modern society. And as usual, the intellectuals on the periphery debated and soothed our concerns until its was too late. To understand the desire for an Islamic caliphate, is to understand the basis of the religion itself and its values, once that’s in mind you’d be well to stay alert.
@Piotrek, What about this preacher in the US, who would happily kill every LGBT person in the whole wide world, and is being endorsed by all Republican presidential candidates
I have no interest in what the terrorist has to say.
Last nights Spotlight programme yet again highlighted the murderous activity of the British army in Ireland.One of the cases highlighted was that Richie McKinnie,an orange man murdered by the army on the Shankill rd,his family was led to believe for 40 years that he was murdered by paramilitaries.His family was devastated when The Pat Finnucane Centre handed over his file,a file showing how a senior military figure covered up the murder,a murder carried out by a para who was present during the Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy massacres.
Like so many other murders carried out by British soldiers the investigation is now covered by National Security Clauses,which means the family are not even entitled to know basic things like what regiment was operating on the Shankill rd at the time of the murder.
Aaron, Your belief as to the intention of the Bible or Quran is irrelevant.
You say these books should not be taken in a literal sense, but that’s just because you are just more evolved in your outlook on religious systems. It might take many generations before followers of Islam come to the same opinion.
You must recognize that to its followers, the Quran is not a loosely defined set of guidelines. It demands adherence to the specific literal meanings. The core belief is that it is the unaltered word of god and the associated Islamic law within remains superior to any man made law, or governing system.
Now, the average follower of Islam will use a guide to navigate its texts. This guide will be whichever Islamic leader that you align to, or Islamic regime in which you happen to live and will mandate or influence how strict/literal your approach is.
Thankfully the vast majority of Muslims who live in western world follow more moderate religious guidelines and will ignore the crazy stuff, or bend its literal meaning to something “somewhat” more acceptable, whereas other passages are absolutely retained in their explicit and literal sense. Think divorce and inheritance. The subsystem of sharia “law” has been established in the UK to account for the Islamic rules that are perceived as acceptable to coexist within a western system.
@Aaron – Well done for quoting biblical scriptures that are written specifically to old testament Israelites and have no bearing on Christianity which is a new covenant. Please try to keep up to date and be relevant in your comments.
@Missy – New Testament Christianity as laid out in the scriptures does not command anybody to kill or harm anyone as part of spreading the gospel.
Also can I say it is disgraceful of the journal to have removed my original comment from an informed point of view. The intolerance of the left is alive and well.
@Aaron…. You should provide links of proof etc…Example below is a Muslim woman being stoned to death which is still quite common in the Sharia Law States.
Other videos on same link to barbaric Sharia Law killings of women and honour killings of young girls .
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.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=176_1364022789
@Aaron @Alan Kelly…….. The violence of the Old Testament is dead and gone. No one is going around advocating violence on the basis of the Old Testament. Islam,on the other has multitudes of fanatical Imams on pulpits,books and TV channels advocating Jihad against non-believers. In fact stats have it that most Muslim violence occurs after Fri. Night ‘prayers’,- See ex. below.
From Raymond Ibrahim/Relig.Expert.
—”The difference between the violent passages in the Koran and those in the Old Testament (as more comprehensively explained here) is this: the Old Testament is clearly describing historic episodes whereas the Koran, while also developed within a historical context, uses generic, open-ended language that transcends time and space, inciting believers to attack and slay nonbelievers today no less than yesterday—-”
—”In fact, the salient feature of almost all of the violent commandments in Islamic scriptures is their open-ended and generic nature: “Fight them until there is no more chaos and [all] religion belongs to Allah” (Koran 8:39). http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/the-koran-and-eternal-war/
Fri night sermon ex:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFAkmsszTD8
i watched that it was sickening…sickening and disgraceful, and cowardly in the extreme, a bunch of thugs of men,making a little woman get into a hole in the ground and filling it in to her head and then crusting her to death with rocks, even the thug putting on the blind fold pulled it very tight to cause pain…shameful disgraceful that this still happens in the world today.
What would Jesus have said?….’Let he who is without sin cast the first stone’.
Personally, I am afraid of unchecked immigration which is what Europe is doing atm. We need to be fostering positive relations with our Muslim populations that are already here, instead of blindly opening our doors to millions more
Personally, I’m afraid of prejudiced bigots deciding who is and isn’t to be trusted. Are you going to start calling door to door and introducing yourself to all your Muslim neighbours, Tim?
@Joe, the Muslim ideology (it is not a race by the way so the word ‘racist can never apply) puts you as a non-believer and so someone to be killed or at least subjugated.
Even worse of yer a female.
So challenging such ideologies is proper in my view and such challenges should not be shouted down as ‘racist’ or ‘islamophobic’ (whatever that phrase is supposed to mean).
Note that you can hold prejudices against ideas and notions without holding them against the people who hold those ideas and prejudices.
There is no doubt there are good and bad muslims as there are good and bad plumbers, redheads and accountants.
But only one of those categories of people have a rule-book that idealises actions that we, as a democratic republic, hold as questionable at best, and downright barbaric at worst.
Fozz, you make a fair point and I appreciate you taking the time to make it properly. I’m all for debate on ideologies. I’m against insisting that all my own opinions are right and that people should believe what I believe. I’m also against all other people who do that, including Christians and including simple bigots like Scarr here.
Dave, with respect, how does a Muslim person you have never met earn your trust?
I lived in a house with a Muslim guy for 5 years and never had a problem bar the usual house mates stuff.
None is to be trusted until they prove themselves to be trust worthy that’s the ABC of dealing with people in 2015.
In reality being outside of Schengen doesn’t provide any additional assurances. Ireland is ill equipped to control its borders. We have no dedicated intelligence services, no profiling, its all lumped on the inept gardai and their reliance on neighbouring powers to share information.
What exactly is Islamaphobia? Islam is an idea or a big set of ideas, and as such I can say all sorts about the merits of it, I can even find many of the ideas alarming and frightning, so I guess that makes me an islamaphobe.
I am also by that definition a christianaphobe, although the fact that the islamist ideology has being growing strongly and garners more support than some of the violent ideas in Christianity means that naturally I will be more concered about that.
Now, muslims are not ideas, they are people. I’m not saying anything about them as people, as individuals. That would make no sense. This is about ideas. And no ideas should be above scrutiny.
Bingo when people, nationhood and religion get merge together as a race then trouble is coming. Have you ever described yourself as catholic above saying you’re Irish? Does any other group bar the other Terrorists group Israel identify with religion before anything else??
There was a time when the people who were afraid of everything were branded cowards, and were considered a danger to society. Lots of people were shot for cowardice during the world wars, for example.
I don’t know what your point is Neal, but for one thing being afraid is no proof of cowardice. I imagine many of the most courageous acts by allied forces during ww2 were done in spite of imense fear.
@ M…….Well said M.. Phobia is a ‘morbid fear’ of something and Islamophobia is a fear of Islam…..that’s all.However there is a concerted effort on the part of Islamo-Fascists globally to alter the meaning of Islamo-phobia to mean Muslim hatred and thus stigmatize anyone who voices fears of Islam by calling them bigots/racists and the like.
But what people should be most alarmed about is the 57 member OIC(Org.of Islamic Countries) at the UN are relentlessly moving ahead to have Islamophobia classified as a hate crime and so anyone who criticizes Islam thereafter would be heavily fined or jailed,etc.regardless of where he/she lived.
Don’t buy it at all, yesterday I read a story about a gay guy in the UK loving his tolerate Muslim neighbours. Islam is a religious Ideology not a race, what we are witnessing is a backlash against its extreme practices and silence from the majority within. I think this story and the one I mentioned are an attempt to calm said backlash. #you ain’t no Muslim bruv, except he was.
@Geoff, are you suggesting it is wrong to call out the islamophobia being spread by the right wing nut cases? Sorry, I really can’t make head or tail of your comment
I made this point before there is nothing irrational about fearing the spread of Islam and as a Women you should be terrified about it coming to a street near you.
I don’t mean to make this in anyway personal here but you you honestly think you would have the freedom of expression you have as a women aka the way you dress in a muslim country??( not judging you in anyway here just making the point)
@Geoff Dunne……I think,if i’m not mistaken, what you surmise is that the story taken from an FB page without a proper interview with questions ,etc. is ‘suspicious’, esp., at this time of heightened concern about Islamo-Fascist killings all over the place.
That’s exactly what I’m saying, you have said it better than I. We need honest open discussion about the real threat from the Ideology of Islam to our western liberal values not this BS.
Oisin showing himself up as a racist moron jumping on the insanity bandwagon. 1.3 billion Islamic people in the world. A tiny few are terrorists. That mentality is like deciding to bomb Belfast out of existence because some people there are IRA, RNU, etc
Islam and Muslim ain’t a race, you can be Black, White, Brown, Green and be a Muslim or Islamic.. It’s the warped totalitarian Ideology that can turn human beings into rabid killers that is the problem , fair enough he met plenty of Muslims that done him a turn but there are plenty of more who wouldn’t and would have his head off in an Instant. In my line of work I work with guys from Pakistan & Bangladesh amongst other western nationalities and the younger guys tell me they came here to escape Islam in their home countries, they are free here they said, where as the older guys in their 40s and 50s can pray on the Job and seem devout, these same older Muslim guys don’t interact so much and keep to themselves too.
@Rowe, if you were this persons boss you could have brought it up with them. If you weren’t then that’s an issue between that person and their employer. If you said anything to me about something that was none of your business I wouldn’t get hysterical but you’d be told where to go as most other people would, including yourself i suspect. Did they have an agreement with their boss to do this and if not then why didn’t the boss do anything about it?
@willr…..Is this your idea of a ‘tiny few’? The widely respected PEW research poll has you way off the mark!
—”’ A new poll by the Pew Research Center reveals significant levels of support for ISIS within the Muslim world. In 11 representative nation-states, up to 14 percent of the population has a favorable opinion of ISIS, and upwards of 62 percent “don’t know” whether or not they have a favorable opinion of the Islamist group.
In Pakistan, a nuclear weapons state, only 28 percent of the public view ISIS unfavorably. By this overwhelming degree of either tacit support or tolerance for ISIS in the country, ISIS should be considered as a potential proxy nuclear weapons power via its linkages and support within Pakistan.—-” http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/pew-poll-between-63-million-and-287-million-isis-supporters-in-just-11-countries-13-of-syria-refugees-isis-sympathizers.html/
What is really happening here is a conflation between Muslims and Islam.
When people give out about the wrongdoing of the Catholic Church, it is easy for people to separate the catholic people from the Institution of the Catholic Church because it has a head and a defined system of governance. Therefore any criticism is targeted and the general catholic population do not get offended.
However it is very difficult to have the same delineation of institution/ordinary people when it comes to Islam. So any criticism of Islam (practices, cruel laws, treatment of women) automatically gets conflated to a criticism about muslims as people; and then it offends muslims themselves as they feel they are being generalised, and offends all decent people for the same reason.
However if you look at it objectively (especially in the comments on the journal), 99% of the time; people are not criticising muslims themselves, but it is taken up this way by some people and so leads to name calling as above.
To bring it back to the church example; to demonise a person who calls out the failings of Islam for what they are; is no different than demonising someone who calls the catholic church out on it’s failings… and we would never do that.
That’s a nice idea Micheal only I’m absolutely SICK of seeing comments suggesting that ALL Muslims share the opinions / sympathies of a tiny minority of those that commit atrocities and they’re all just hiding it!
The level of paranoia out there attached to those identifying as Muslim is ridiculous!
Yes, of course it is possible t criticise Islam and the interpretation that certain people have of it.
The problem is too many people think that ALL Muslims share that interpretation.
We SHOULD judge people by their actions not what we THINK they “really” believe but it’s been clearly demonstrated, repeatedly, that a large number of people don’t. They allow their assumptions (and their fear) to over-ride their logic.
This soldier sounds like he has got infected by progressive white guilt syndrome?.
I’m sick of hearing about this so called tiny minority, using the word “tiny” is to make it sound like Islamism and Islamic fundamentalism is not a problem at all, when in fact it is a huge problem infecting vast swathes of this planet.
Here is a link to recognised terror groups around the world, outside of Islam you could nearly count the terror groups on one hand, you will be blue in the face trying to count the scores and scores of terror organisations that have their roots in Islamism.
Red thumb away and remain in permanent denial and when the next Paris like attack occurs which shouldn’t be too long now you will still be in apologetic denial mode and then the next one and then the next one and the next one, what will it take for you regressives to see Islam for what it really is, a stain on humanity!.
@Dave Meagher.. …Many people still think that Islam is confined to one race and so hate-mongering Islamo–fascist propagandists will use ‘racist’ to refer to anyone who criticizes Islam. Unfortunately such intimidation occasionally still works. I urge people not to be silenced by this intimidation tactic used often by MB professional paid internet shils.
I come from a family welcomes every one, muslims we met in a bar over a few pints at Christmas would go mad that we had pork at our Christmas dinner, our Indian friends would say no thank you.
My sister met a muslim guy in a club, she fell from him after they got married he and family started to try change her to their way of life, we don’t know why she lives the double life with him and his family she is muslim, with us our same old sister but over the years she as became more like them and agreeing with their strange views.
Any one I have been with or tried to be friends of the muslim faith either said or more or less said the day their god comes they would sacrifice me and any one believers.
Look at Ireland most groups that have come have mixed in well some keep to there own which is ok cause we all stick with those in commend, but most muslims have brought real change but bad ones that brings hate, suppression, anti women rights.
“Any one I have been with or tried to be friends of the muslim faith either said or more or less said the day their god comes they would sacrifice me and any one believers.”
Eh, maybe stop hanging out with nutjobs? I’m friends with a lot of Muslims, some over here, some from spending a lot of time living in the UK, and they would have a good laugh reading that!
Those that Deny Freedom to others
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What that young man said is fair enough, good on him. He is also talking about a section or group of Muslims whom we need to hear more from in relation to Islamic extremism! People’s actions are important but right now in this social media world we need to hear more words from “moderate Muslims”! I have read comments on here that we have had our own version of DAESH on these islands when we had the PIRA/UVF etc bombing and slaughtering men, women and children who were out shopping our were in a pub or restaurant. What was different was the reactions of ordinary people (Christian/Non-Christian & Atheist) to these events, practically to a “man” they loudly condemned the perpetrators of these atrocities. We do not hear or see this type of reaction from Muslim communities anywhere in the world. In fact we usually get the opposite reaction which is one of jubilation and celebration! When I start seeing Muslim communities speak out against atrocities such as happened in France, UK, Spain etc then I might be persuaded to trust Muslims in our communities.
@Tricia
Hundreds Of Muslims Flooded London To Condemn Terrorism, The Media Ignored It – That’s the actual headline “Hundreds” so no wonder the Media ignored it when there are over 1,5 million Muslims alone living in London. In fact there are over 3 million Muslims living in the UK with roughly 2.8- 2.9 of them living in England. Poor turn out but I have to admit it’s a start. It has taken some time for this type of protest to occur but if you were to stick a few cartoons of The Prophet the Not-So-Merciful in the newspaper, you would have hundreds of thousands of Muslims out on the streets within 24 hours.
@William – Of course not, as that would invalidate her argument. Also notice the she, Larissa or any of the other Fuzzy Wuzzies have not tackled the subject matter I mentioned in my post!
“Sunday saw hundreds of people take to the streets of London to promote the positive message of Islam as a force for peace and unity, yet not one mainstream media outlet reported it.
The UK Arbaeen Procession is organised every year by the Husaini Islamic Trust UK and according to their website is the ‘largest annually organised Islamic event in Europe’.
So this is the largest organised Islamic event in Europe, and only a few hundred turned out?
As you stated if someone offended their precious prophet, Muslims would be organised in their Millions not in hundreds.
If this is the largest organised event in Europe then it must have been a larger event than any demonstrations after the Prophet was offended. I don’t recall any demonstrations in Europe involving millions of muslims after the cartoons in the Danish or French papers/magazines.
Try Millions across the world Alan, need I name the many predominately Muslim countries that went berserk on the streets burning flags and effigies over a few cartoons?.
You weren’t talking about across the world William, you specifically mentioned Europe and Warthog was talking about the UK. If you were talking about across the world you probably should have mentioned that and not Europe specifically.
No I was not Alan I was just pointing out what was on the article the claim of this been the biggest organised Islamic protest in Europe, when I mentioned the cartoons I didn’t specifically single out Europe if I did can you point it out for me please?.
Maybe read back your own comments William. You only mentioned predominately muslim countries AFTER I pointed out we were talking about Europe and more specifically the UK.
Probably shouldn’t have been there but that’s not his call. The army should be the non political servant of the state. He goes where he is told to by his commanding officers. Don’t agree that a soldier should expect death or injury – accept that it is a risk in their line of work but to expect it – no, I don’t agree with that.
Much as I dislike people from abroad coming to my country and changing our values, the same applies in the middle to far east where this foreign army were sent to.
If you have ever been young, walking down the main street in your home town and get detained, threatened and battered by one of these personnel, you will quickly have a lot more faith in someone who causes them damage.
In essence, I have more trust in those indigenous soldiers in what has, for most of the last century as Iraq, to do what their fellow nationals want.
No sympathy for foreign troops when they go where they’re not wanted, our troops do, and must continue to, only peace keeping roles on behalf of the United Nations.
The venom and vitriol encapsulated in many of the comments here serves only to highlight the negative and destructive mindset that religion ( all religion ) contributes to the human condition. I have had it with religion. Been there, done that, learned the lesson, moved on. I am no longer Christian or Muslim, I am simply Human.
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Information about your activity on this service, such as your interaction with ads or content, can be very helpful to improve products and services and to build new products and services based on user interactions, the type of audience, etc. This specific purpose does not include the development or improvement of user profiles and identifiers.
Use limited data to select content 37 partners can use this purpose
Content presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type, or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times a video or an article is presented to you).
Use precise geolocation data 46 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, your precise location (within a radius of less than 500 metres) may be used in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Actively scan device characteristics for identification 27 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Ensure security, prevent and detect fraud, and fix errors 92 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Deliver and present advertising and content 99 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Match and combine data from other data sources 72 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Link different devices 53 partners can use this feature
Always Active
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Identify devices based on information transmitted automatically 88 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
Save and communicate privacy choices 69 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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