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The Department of Finance has so far refused any requests to release the ECB's letters under the Freedom of Information Act. Peter Morrison/AP

We asked for copies of the ECB’s letters to Brian Lenihan. Here’s what happened

With the letters back in the news today, we thought we’d publish the response to a request we made in April 2011.

WITH MICHAEL NOONAN having said he would favour the publication of letters between the ECB and Brian Lenihan in the run-up to Ireland’s bailout, today we thought we would show what happened when we attempted to obtain them.

In April 2010 TheJournal.ie lodged a Freedom of Information request with the Department of Finance, hoping to publish the letters sent between Ireland and the Troika in advance of the negotiations on Ireland’s funding package.

Specifically, we asked for:

Copies of any correspondence between Minister for Finance and any officers or officials from the European Central Bank, European Commission, International Monetary Fund or Her Majesty’s Treasury, for the month of November 2010.

We received a response on June 2011 (the usual four-week response time was extended due to a request for extra fees to cover the search for documents), which – given how the matter has returned to the news – we are publishing today.

The response catalogues the documents which could have fallen under the scope of our request, and lists on a case-by-case basis the reasons why each letter would be released (or, as it more often was, not released).

For those unable to read the files embedded below, the main response letter can be viewed here, while the schedule of documents can be viewed here.

The Department’s response cites three provisions under Ireland’s Freedom of Information Act, 1997 which allow requests to be refused.

In summary, they are:

  • Section 24(2)(e) – This allows requests to be refused if “access to it could reasonably be expected to affect adversely” the security, defence and international relations on the state; this applies to communication sent in confidence to and from international bodies like the EU;
  • Section 26(1)(a) – This allows requests to be refused if information within it was sent “on the understanding that it would be treated by it as confidential” and if its release would probably prejudice the communication of similar information in future;
  • Section 31(1)(a) – This allows requests to be refused if its publication “could reasonably be expected to have a serious adverse affect on the financial interests of the State or on the ability of the Government to manage the national economy”.

The schedule of documents attached to the response – which is embedded below, and can be viewed here – cites these clauses at various points in refusing to release ten of the 12 documents which were considered for release.

Because the documents fell under the clauses of Section 26 and 31, the deciding officer is required to undertake a public interest test in order to evaluate whether the public benefit to releasing the documents would outweigh the concerns reached.

The response outlines the arguments in favour, and against, the release of the documents.

The public interest factors for disclosure in this regard included:
  • a) The right of the public to have access to information and the right to understand the workings of Government.
  • b) Disclosure will reveal the reasons for decisions.
  • c) The need for the public to be better informed and more competent to comment on public affairs.
  • d) The information in the records might make a valuable contributions to public debate on an issue.
  • e) The need to ensure accountability of administrators and scrutiny of the decision making process and the use of public funds.

The public interest factors against disclosure in relation to these records included:

  • a) Access to these records could prejudice the position of the Department and the Government in its negotiations or deliberations on matters of national importance, including negotiation with other Departments and with other EU Member States or international organisations.
  • b) This record contains information, access to which could reasonably be expected to have a serious adverse effect on the financial interests of the State or on the ability of the Government to manage the national economy.
  • c) Release of some of these records would impact on the integrity and viability of the decision making process to a significant degree without a countervailing benefit to the public.
  • d) Release of some of these records would impair a future decision.
  • e) The need to preserve confidentiality having regard to the subject matter and the circumstances of some of these records.

Having considered all of these factors, on balance, I am of the view that the public itnerest is not best served by disclosure in relation to those records to which access had been refused.

There were two documents for which the request was approved – the ECB opinion on plans to extend the bank guarantee, and an ironically-timed invitation to an IMF course on financial stability. The ECB opinion document can be read here; the IMF invitation is here.

It may be of interest for readers to note that in a BBC radio documentary broadcast in April 2011, Brian Lenihan discussed receiving a letter from Jean-Claude Trichet – which had ‘bounced’ Ireland into its bailout – on November 12 (this is discussed by UCD’s Karl Whelan in a blog post for Forbes).

The schedule of documents, however, contains no written communications between the two between November 5 and November 18.

In his Sunday Independent interview today, Michael Noonan said he did not have the power to direct his Freedom of Information unit to release Trichet’s letter.

Read: Will Noonan publish the ECB letter that forced Ireland into a bailout?

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    Mute Phil O' Meara
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    Jul 5th 2015, 8:54 AM

    You never know what crosses other people are carrying. To be unhappy in your own body for so long is a terrible burden. Best wishes to the author on putting the burden down and getting on with her journey.

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:03 PM

    These articles are turning people gay

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    Mute Deirdre O'Byrne
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:26 PM

    There is far far more stuff in the media turning gay people straight.

    Though it doesn’t seem to be working…

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:45 PM

    So you admit it.

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    Mute Deirdre O'Byrne
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    Jul 5th 2015, 3:17 PM

    Yup – articles like this have no effect on people’s orientation, because people’s orientation is innate.

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    Mute Ailbhe O'Nolan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 3:42 PM

    Deirdre, John is a renowned homophobe who thought it appropriate to bring up the fact that I don’t like men on an abortion article yesterday. He is only into cheap point scoring at your expense.

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Jul 5th 2015, 5:37 PM

    Might be letting them experiment but not turning them gay…

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 5th 2015, 6:40 PM

    So it is a fact that Ailbhe does not like men. As I assumed.
    Also, please go easy on the homophobes. It is not their fault that they were born homophobic.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Jul 6th 2015, 3:40 AM

    John now body Is born homophobic. That is learned behaviour as I am sure you know considering you have learned it and aced it yourself.

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 6th 2015, 8:07 AM

    James

    You are some mess.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Jul 6th 2015, 12:38 PM

    That would be you John not me.

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    Mute Shane McCarrick
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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:03 AM

    The banks do that with married people too by the way. I think dealing with banks is a whole new echelon of hell. Fair play to you.

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    Mute Alan Rossiter
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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:26 AM

    Great article, well done.

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    Mute captain ireland
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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:31 AM

    I’m very unhappy in my body , I feel I should have a 6 pack and no body fat , actually it’s my right to have them blah blah

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    Mute Contro Versial
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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:28 AM

    There are real problems in the world, and yet some people are so wrapped up in themselves that they invent an issue like being trapped in the wrong gender. It’s ridiculous that so much media attention is focused on this in order to show how liberal they are. A nonsense of a problem.

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    Mute Joanna
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    Jul 5th 2015, 12:32 PM

    Shut up.

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    Mute Paul Wallace
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:26 PM

    @contro pure ignorance and prejudice

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    Mute Ailbhe O'Nolan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 10:05 AM

    Great article Deirdre. I especially like the point you make that your genitalia are nobodies business unless you’re in a relationship. I don’t see why people need to know what’s between somebodys legs or defines them by that. Its so immature and narrow-minded.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 10:43 AM

    It really is. Doctors should guess the sex of the patient when treating. Vets with animals too.

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    Mute Contro Versial
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    Jul 5th 2015, 11:01 AM

    Should we have no signs on toilet doors then?

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    Mute Ailbhe O'Nolan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 11:08 AM

    Is the toilet door between the person’s legs? Read my comment again folks. You’re clearly struggling to understand

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    Mute KMac
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    Jul 5th 2015, 11:11 AM

    It’s not my point but some could argue it is.

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    Mute Ailbhe O'Nolan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 11:36 AM

    IMac, what’s between a person’s legs is their business unless they choose to share it with others. Inuding their Dr or partner or friends or shout it from the rooftops.

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    Mute Ailbhe O'Nolan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 11:37 AM

    Sorry, Kmac

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    Mute Deirdre O'Byrne
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:27 PM

    The signs on toilet doors do not depict genitals – they depict gender presentation. So when I go to the loo wearing a dress, the signs make it pretty clear which loo I should use.

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    Mute Pat O'Leary
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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:34 AM

    A tiny minority of the population gets a daily mention on the journal ,while families are relying on lay litigants to fight for their homes in every court in ireland and don’t get a mention.

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    Mute Ron North
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    Jul 5th 2015, 5:09 PM

    Why don’t you start by writing an article on lay litigants or whatever your issue is (in the same way Deirdre here has written an article) and submit it to The Journal for consideration.

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    Mute MaryEllen
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    Jul 5th 2015, 10:01 AM

    Great article, well done!

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    Mute D'Murph
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    Jul 5th 2015, 10:55 AM

    Excellent article well written, detailed and helpful to many. In relation to some of the comments it’s important all parts of society shares so we all become informed and educated. Well done Journal.

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 5th 2015, 6:43 PM

    …. and gay.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:14 AM

    Transgender issues are so hot right now.

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    Mute Bill Madden
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    Jul 5th 2015, 12:14 PM

    The problem lies in the brain not the body, if a woman has all the in inards of a woman yet still believes she is a male, the problem lies in her head.

    Mind you for that person it is still a big problem and one I am glad I don’t have!

    Perhaps one day a bit of minor surgery will solve the situation or perhaps prevent it happening earlier, in the womb, who knows!

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    Mute Helen Ryder
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    Jul 6th 2015, 12:07 PM

    Bill, to undergo the medical portion of transition a transgender person has to be assessed by both psychologists and psychiatrists first. Do you REALLY think that you know better than the medical experts in the field?

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    Mute Shane
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    Jul 5th 2015, 1:04 PM

    Talk about first world problems.

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:52 PM

    A Transatlantic attack on our culture.

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    Mute Deirdre O'Byrne
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    Jul 5th 2015, 3:18 PM

    Transgender people exist throughout the world in every culture.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 6:29 PM

    Transcontinental so.

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    Mute Conor
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    Jul 5th 2015, 12:08 PM

    Contro Versial what a stupid thing to say, the news reports different aspects of society there are many problems in every aspect of life and there will continue to be, I thought this article was a nice insight into how it feels for someone having to go through with it, as for Kmac stop trolling.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:29 PM

    I’d entertain your comment if it was the case.

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    Mute Margaret Noonan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 4:40 PM

    Just to take you up on something you mentioned in your article. You say that – post-operatively my body stops producing that dreadful hormone called testosterone. Do you take testosterone supplements along with oestrogen as testosterone is a hormone that is vital to a woman’s health just as much as it is to a man.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 5:58 PM

    Margaret,

    I should have said that my body stops producing testosterone in the quantities it used to.

    My body still produces testosterone – but in the same sort of quantities any woman’s body does. I don’t need supplements.

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    Mute KMac
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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:21 AM

    Telling bikes is going too far.

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    Mute Deirdre O'Byrne
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:30 PM

    It’s a legal requirement to tell them.

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:49 PM

    So you can play ladies golf now even though you are a man?

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    Jul 5th 2015, 3:22 PM

    Probably and no. I can probably play ladies golf (in theory, I can compete in the olympics as female, as I’ve fulfilled their requirements for transgender people competing in our true gender). And no I’m not a man.

    The estrogen I take has massively decreased my muscle mass – I’ve lost a lot of my strength – which is why I can fairly compete as female.

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 5th 2015, 6:37 PM

    You’re sex chromosones are xy if I am not mistaken.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 6:41 PM

    You should be hitting off the back tees. Full stop.

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    Mute Deirdre O'Byrne
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    Jul 5th 2015, 7:45 PM

    John – I haven’t been tested, but my guess is that I have the Y chromosome.

    So what?

    Ever hear of “complete androgen insensitivity syndrome”?

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    Jul 5th 2015, 10:56 PM

    Ever hear of “Monkey see, Monkey do”?

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    Mute Aoife Gregg
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    Jul 6th 2015, 12:08 AM

    Omg John …….. LEAVE HER ALONE! Get a hobby, or actually……just f**k off! And while you’re at it, have a think about how you make people feel with your appalling homophobic comments. This is a very brave and real life story. I wonder would u be as brave publicly!

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    Mute Aoife Gregg
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    Jul 6th 2015, 12:09 AM

    Deirdre this is a honest, beautifully written story. I have nothing but complete respect for you to come out and do this so publicly! Please please please just ignore the nasty comments. You are better than that! And braver :)

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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:36 AM

    Very good article. It would have been braver to have put your name to it in order to encourage those who may be going through the same thing at this time.

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    Mute Ailbhe O'Nolan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 9:57 AM

    She did

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    Mute Mary Lyons
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    Jul 5th 2015, 10:02 AM

    Sorry about that. She did alright but I did not see it.

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    Mute Ailbhe O'Nolan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 10:03 AM

    No worries

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    Jul 5th 2015, 3:25 PM

    Greetings :)

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    Jul 5th 2015, 3:45 PM

    Hi Deirdre. Great article. Every happiness to you.

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:50 PM

    People are who they are through their genes, the rest is psychological???

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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:51 PM

    Michael

    How dare you refer to science. You homophobic monster.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 3:21 PM

    Yup – no doubt it’s my genes which made me transgender.

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Jul 5th 2015, 5:40 PM

    John your humour is nearly as crazy as mine, I love myths, religions, spirituality and science, now that should split the camps lol.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 5:42 PM

    Deirdre, we are more than our parts, therefore we can not use them to excuse anything as free will and belief gives reason, why is just another question?

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    Mute John Devoy
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    Jul 5th 2015, 6:45 PM

    It was an operation that made you transgender.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 6:52 PM

    Homosexuality being inherited is the ultimate contradiction.

    “I’m Gay Like my Parents”

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    Jul 5th 2015, 7:44 PM

    John – it was being transgender that prompted me to engage with the medical profession – not the other way around.

    The medical profession doesn’t give the kinds of treatments I’ve received unless you are transgender. They don’t create transgender people – they treat transgender people.

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    Jul 5th 2015, 2:50 PM

    People are insane.

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    Mute Ailbhe O'Nolan
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    Jul 5th 2015, 3:44 PM

    No John, people are ignorant. You are a prime example

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    Jul 6th 2015, 12:02 PM

    Actually John, as part of medical transition transgender people are assessed by both psychologists and psychiatrists. My wife is trans and has twice been declared both sane and competent. How about you?

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    Jul 6th 2015, 3:08 PM

    I am Batman. I am going for surgery next week.

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    Jul 6th 2015, 7:15 PM

    John,

    I’m delighted for you! It takes a lot of courage to be who you truly are in the world in spite of all the pressure society puts on you to conform.

    I can only imagine the psychological, psychiatric and medical tests you had to go through before being given the all clear for your surgery.

    So you are going to spend the rest of your life as batman? You are going to change your legal status? You are going to re-adjust all your social interactions? I presume you are also going to change your name? It’s a lot of work, and I wish you the best.

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    Jul 6th 2015, 7:36 PM

    Deirdre

    Fair play to you for showing so much tolerance in the face of what may seem like intolerance.
    But I assure you it is not intolerance towards you. Most gays are a victims of an attack on our masculinity as a nation. First they sexualise our children young through Disney movies etc, then they complete the process by various means as outlined below.

    https://unhappygay.wordpress.com/how-does-homosexuality-occur-in-men/

    Fair play to you if you are happy but please stop spreading the idea as we need masculinity to defend our land against potential aggressors, whoever they may be.

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    Jul 6th 2015, 9:21 PM

    John,

    Did you just seriously suggest that I read a right-wing “christian” perspective on what causes homosexuality?!

    I suppose next you’ll be saying I should go to a Nazi website to learn the history of judaism?!

    Good grief.

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    Jul 6th 2015, 11:21 PM

    There is more to life than sex.

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    Jul 6th 2015, 11:59 AM

    Excellent article, Deirdre. Congratulations and best wishes to you!

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    Jul 6th 2015, 12:08 PM

    Well done Deirdre, from your old NearFm pal ;)

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    Jul 5th 2015, 10:55 AM
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