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A US TERRORISM expert has hit out at Donald Trump’s reaction to the Brussels attacks.
Speaking on the Today show after yesterday’s attacks, which left 34 dead, Trump advocated the use of torture on Salah Abdeslam, an alleged member of the terror cell which attacked Paris in November.
He acknowledged that Abdeslam is unlikely to be tortured in Europe because “the laws are so liberal there”, but said he would do it.
“Frankly, the waterboarding, if it was up to me, and if we changed the laws or had the laws, waterboarding would be fine,” Trump said.
“If they could expand the laws, I would do a lot more than waterboarding. You have to get the information from these people.
“I am in the camp where you have to get the information and you have to get it rapidly.”
Speaking on MSNBC afterwards terrorism expert Malcolm Nance, the head of the Terrorism Asymmetrics Project and a veteran of US Navy intelligence, took Trump to task over his rhetoric.
He said that Abdeslam could very well have had an attack of conscience over the Paris attacks, pointing out that he rendered his suicide vest safe outside the Stade de France.
We don’t have any intelligence that he was a commander, so capturing him may just have been capturing someone who went on the run. But this is why Isis isolates terror cells – so that one person becoming compromised won’t have any intelligence.
Nance added that US military personnel cannot be ordered to commit war crimes, something Trump seemed to advocate. He said that Trump’s “bluster” was not helpful to the US, EU or anyone by Isis.
“They (Isis) are probably cutting videos of this right now.
Donald Trump is validating the cartoonish view that they tell their operatives…that America is a racist nation, xenophobic, anti-Muslim, and that that’s why you must carry out terrorist attacks against them in defence of their version of Islam.
“This is detrimental to the counter-terrorism and anti-terrorism work around the world. There are intelligence officers who are going to have to contend with their partners over what’s being said in the US election.
“It’s irresponsible and it needs to stop. He needs to consult with General Flynn – this is not helping us at all.”
Nance said that the war with Isis was a “fight of ideologies” with both the west and Islam itself.
Trump’s potential rival Hillary Clinton said that his plans to close US borders was “unrealistic”.
“Our country’s most experienced and bravest military leaders will tell you that torture is not effective. It does put our own soldiers and, increasingly, our civilians at risk,” she said.
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Its a bit disingenuous, this article. Islamic terrorists certainly won’t refrain from murdering people if Trump isn’t there. They’ll find their reasons no matter what the circumstances, as they always have. This is just anti-Trump manoeuvring as part of the presidential campaign. Its not in the interests of public safety, don’t fool yourself.
Agree..any excuse to put the boot into the Donald. As if what he says will drive youth into the arms of Isis. Journalists with agendas what..
There have always been Islamic terrorists yes but the problem has gotten a lot worse due to US and other nations intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. Footage from these conflicts have been used in propaganda and have been a huge factor in helping recruit radicals. Trump becoming president would be far worse and would probably lead to all out war eventually.
The Guru, I have to seriously disagree with you on that one. Before the war in Afghanistan, it was being used as a large-scale terrorist training camp. Hundreds of terrorists every year ‘graduated’ from Al-Qaeda and Taliban training camps. Sure before the invasion of Afghanistan it was used as a training camp for an attack which killed nearly as much in one day as the entire Troubles did in 40 years.
The only reason why it seems to be getting worse from our perspective is a decreased focus on massive attacks and an increased focus on promoting small scale attacks by home-grown radicals.
A Jason c’mon, surely you’re not blinded by the popular propagated narrative. You seem intelligent, use it and dig a little deeper to find out who funds and orchestrates these basrürds.
@Guru – It’s funny you should mention that because Trump wasn’t around over the last 1400 years – yet Islam still managed to murder 270 million people and enslave millions of others.
@Jason, you’re not wrong but equally the invasion of Afghanistan was reasonably successful. America needed to install a dictator to control the region and get out. This could have been done without a massive loss of life or a decade of conflict and turmoil. Afghanistan could have been a win.
Iraq had zero justification, removed a significant ally against radicals in the region, created the necessary chaos for Islamic fundamentalist to thrive and generated the “clash of civilizations” narrative which has fed the Islamofascist propaganda machine.
The Arab Spring has made the problem even worse. Obama is could actually be described as even more at fault for the problem than Bush. He has been a disastrous President.
10 years ago I think we could have still just pulled out and washed our hands of the entire mess but now I’m not so sure and I’m not sure that the problem of radical Islam in Europe can be overcome without resorting to some very unpalatable solutions.
We’re heading for a World War and it’s could be even more ugly than the last one.
This is now a way of life, impossible to stop. It’s going to get a lot more common before its gets better. Worst thing is the European leaders have not got a clue how to handle this.
European leaders are handling this exactly as expected. An idiot could foresee, that inviting millions of undocumented Muslims into Europe while the West bombs their countries is a bad idea. But for our elite this is exactly the outcome they wanted. These terror attacks will be used by the EU to declare martial law and further erode sovereignty and individual liberties. Order out of Chaos.
First they create the Chaos, then offer a solution that lands them with more power and control. It’s not that European leaders don’t have a clue how to handle this, it’s that this is our European leaders handling us, the terrified proletariat.
Terror expert says ” if Donald Trump is President, he’ll bomb the shit out of ISIS”.
Trump is the winner here as this will only bolster his campaign.
His actions will then be the biggest recruiting campaign for ISIS. A self fulfilling prophecy. For Trump and ISIS
So all it takes for moderate Muslims to join a genocidal organization is a bit of racism and hatred aimed in their direction? That’s a bit offensive to them.
If they are young naïve men then yes I’m afraid that’s seems to be ISIS way. None of the big lads are blowing themselves up!!
No one said moderates. If not hatred being spouted about you, what can rasicalise people? Drones? Invasion? Unwillingness to assist in humanitarian crises… All of these are happening, Trump just puts a very handy (orange) face on it.
Remember Sean, it’s never because the just really believe in Islam, it’s always the West’s fault….
Definitely some are religious zealots and they are the ones you’ll never stop from becoming radicalised.
That being said, there are many who join out of fear of drone strikes, hate speech, “nation building”, etc.
The point is and always has been that this is a very complex issue and Trump’s 10 second, self promoting sound bites do nothing to help that issue and in many cases could worsen it.
Hi Marlow,
I’m not meaning to insult anyone.
It’s a well worn recruitment tool used for decades on all sides where fear is used to radicalize. Add into the mix social media and it’s exacerbated very quickly. Hate and fear breads on itself. Disaffected (not moderates) young men (mostly) are very susceptible I’m afraid. We don’t need to look very far for examples.
Example, Irish fought for Germany in WWI, not because we agreed with them but because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Many Russian occupied areas joined the Nazis in WWII, not for the ideology but because of the common enemy.
I’m with trump on this one. Immigration to Europe from culturally incompatible areas has to be stopped in its tracks and reversed fast. Waterboarding is nothing compared to what these ISIS animals are doing to prisoners. Trump basically predicted a Brussels attack a year ago. No time for extreme left liberals on this issue they won’t be protecting anyone.
People will tell you whatever you want to hear when they’re being water-boarded,sometimes in life it helps to stop and think.
^^^^^^ And THIS guy should know!!! :)
Torture doesn’t work for reliable Intel. You and him are watching too many movies. When someone’s being tortured they will tell you what you want to hear, not reality.
‘People will tell you what you want to hear’
Read the article again with that line in your head…
Pretty sure he wasn’t calling for waterboarding.
Extreme left liberal speak. Osama bin laden courier gave up vital information and provided information can be checked. If it’s true brilliant if not well at least we know that we did everything we could to stop them.
‘We’? Are you American?
Isn’t it amazing how all of this is happening on Obama’s watch but somehow Trump is getting all the blame?
That’s the modern media regressive liberalism for you.
Rhetoric
Isn’t it amazing how all of this is happening in Europe yet you refer to it as “Obama’s watch”?
That’s the modern media right wing tactic for you.
Thirty years ago a man told me how Islam would take over England, me being Irish he felt I would be in favour; weeks before 9/11 I told a catholic and Protestant who were disputing with each other, there was a greater threat (Islam) my point is this pot has been on the boil for a long time, long before trump. The small t is intended.
Islam isn’t the problem, extremism is.
Problem there is that pretty much universally, extremism comes along with Islam.
islam is the well where extremists draw their inspiration from, so yes it is the problem. A quick search in the coming days will uncover imans praising this cowardly attack. So yes, islam is the problem.
Ahemedi muslims have found a path to peace, not one has been involved in terrorism. but of course they are treated as non muslims.
Yes Sean absolutely.
But the problem is that many people think that Islam pretty much universally comes with extremism as well.
Which isn’t true.
True. But PC aside, people are getting slaughtered. And we know why.
Read the bloody Qu’ran. Extremism is its truest form. Only 2% of Muslims in Iran were radical, the rest just went along with it. It’s the same with the IRA here. If you pretend that only people actively engaged in fighting up north had IRA leanings during the Troubles, you’re kidding yourself.
Clinton & Trump are both war mad, dont know which one is worse! War is big business in the good old U.S.A.
They’re both bad, but I know which one is worse…
Hilary is far worse.
She has already sent troops to war killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians in the process.
Policies actively supported by Hilary Clinton are the main reason that ISIS exist.
Donald Trump is a business man. He’s never actually signed off on war.
But he has killed
The same people who fund ISIS are the same people who promote this anti Trump campaign. Journal…..be ashamed for being complicit in running all these trumped up anti Trump stories.
They’re all as bad as each other, but you’re right
Source for that Gerry? What I’m seeing from that is if you don’t like Trump you fund ISIS?
I don’t like Trump for a number of reasons ..
Two of those reasons are 1) he is a racist , and 2) he is full of sh.it .
Ya know I’m getting to like this guy
That Raging lunatic needs to be put down because if/when he gets into office the world is fooooooooooked
so now you want to murder Donald Trump, John Doyle? A bit of an extremist yourself are you? Whats wrong with you people?
John, how is it that when Trump says he wants to ban Muslims, Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists that’s not also extremism?
Personally i don’t care if trump gets in, he actually said he has Mexicans working for him. Muslim migration needs to be looked at. Historically it does not work out for the host country. A recent example would be Lebanon which was a peaceful prosperous Christian majority country, look at it Now! No thank you.
I don’t see how securing your borders and banning a certain political movement stroke religion from from moving in is extremism. Its common sense.
Trump is playing to the gallery. He may even be murdered. Should he Be? No! Should the Paris attacker face the guillotine? Yes.
John
There is more Mexicans going back to Mexico than are coming into America -the reason for this ?
They’re going back home for a better quality of life .
@Sean – After Brussels it’s starting to look like a pretty sound position, isn’t it! By the way – Trump said this should be temporary, but you lot will always omit that part.
@Francis – A better quality of life in Mexico? You are joking, right?
i have nothing against mexicans, its a lovely country. But the violence! You would feel sorry for the ordinary people. Good for them, that they are able to go home for a better quality of life.
The Dude,
Like Guantanamo, USC, Income Tax… All examples of political decisions made that were temporary…
And no after Brussels this isn’t starting to look like a sound position at all.
John Kelly that’s the business equivalent of “I can’t be racist, I have black friends.” Securing borders absolutely, total bans on people because of their faith is pointless, given the fact that most attacks have come from natives of that country or countries where they have free access anyway. But of course, they have different coloured skin so they must be johnny foreigners.
“@Francis – A better quality of life in Mexico? You are joking, right?”
@ Dude -Why would I joke about something that is true ? Do keep up.
“In the early 1800s, a wave of conquests led by Fulani Muslims established several new, Islamic states in West Africa.
An essential cause of the jihads was a growing belief among reformist clerics that Islam was not being correctly practiced in Western Africa and that political leaders and states needed to adhere more closely to Islamic law, or shari’a, end so-called pagan practices, and promote a wider knowledge of what were allowed behaviors (halal) and what was prohibited (haram) within Islam.
These criticisms of existing leaders were well received by the wider population.
The first jihad against an existing government was in present day Guinea, where in 1725 a jihad led by Fulani pastoralists established the Imamate of Futa Jalon (or Fouta Djallon), which lasted until it was conquered by the French in 1896. Further north, another Fulani jihad took place in 1768, establishing the Imamate of Futa Toro.
The largest and most well-known state to emerge from the Fulani-led jihads, however, was the Sokoto Caliphate, founded by Usman dan Fodio in 1809 in present-day northern Nigeria. Usman dan Fodio’s jihad inspired two more jihads; the first established the state of Massina in present day Mali. The second, led by al-Hajj Umar Tal established the relatively short-lived Tokolor Empire. Tokolor fell to the French in 1893, but not before Umar Tal had inspired widespread conversion to the beliefs of the Tiyaniyya order that he embraced.
Colonization brought an end to all of these theocratic states, but did nothing to check the power and popularity of Islam in Western Africa.
http://africanhistory.about.com/od/kingdoms/fl/The-West-African-Jihads-of-the-19th-Century.htm
Trump just voices the thoughts of common prejudice so that those who think that there are simole and easy solutions to hard and complex problems will support him.
If you carefully observe Trump, he is not sincere. It’s all an act but, my appealing to the lowest common denominator and talking down to the basest and most primitive instincts, he knows that he can manipulate the gullible and the emotional.
Trump personififes the Assault on Reason which Al Gore wrote about in his book of that title.
Trump uses emotional appeal to trump reason and critical faculties. He beguiles by his emotional pitches. He promises security to those he makes feel insecure. He promised solutions he cannot deliver. He seduces the populace.. He talks the language and the rhetoric of ordinary common and thoughtless prejudice but he does so without sincerity and for purely manipulative purpose.,
Some can see through the bombast and the braggadocio of Trump. Othere are capitivated by it. It is a matter of how we are hard wired. Those who emotionally respond to Trump as a new found saviour will not be reasoned out of that because their reaction to Trump is on an emotional level.
The apparently strong and charismatic leader offering pat certititudes to times of uncertainty is powerfully seductive. He is the father figure and the fake “straight shooter” to all questions. The Brussels atrocities are ammunition to him and he will exploit this to the hilt because people want to believe in Trump. He is the apparent answer to the fears which have been stoked up by terrorism.
Trump versus ISIS and many in the US will be suckered by Trump. There’s one born every minute.
Precisely how hitler manipulated German antisemitism to come to power. Look at those terrible Jews I can save you from them
Did you just bring up Hitler and the jews again? Any excuse huh?
Hahahaha.
YAWN! Sing a new tune.
The Journal loses once again, pathetic article.
Simply astounding the lengths that the muslim apologist, feminized liberals go to in order to continue the brainwashing and propaganda against the public to hide the true nature of Islam.
The bias is astounding on this site and on national news, any sniff of right wing sentiment after a mass barbaric attack committed in the name of Islam and they’re out like a light to squash any debate on the forced, failed policy of immigration and integration of muslim males.
Anyone still advocating for open borders and the continued mass influx of thousands of undocumented, incompatible muslim men from a completely alien culture and way of life has blood on their hands. You should be ashamed.
But you can’t deny that Trump is simply riding a wave of American xenophobia which is never far from the surface in hillbilly land. The gun crowd and apocalypse preppers are his power base.
I do happen to believe however that Europe needs to review its border controls
whats your solution on how to deal with islamists fiona? Go on and on about trump and anyone that points out the flawed teachings of this flawed and dangerous political movement masquarading as a religion?
Solutions please? No? I thought as much.
@Fiona – gee whiz Fiona – you are getting desperate if you are invoking something Al Gore said.
@Kevin@Travis – Donald Trump is literally Hitler
http://youtu.be/l_9Faxz1s5g
Ye every time something bad happens just blame Trump. It’s really easy and you don’t have to think much about it
No one is blaming him for extremism. What people are saying is that his comments and sentiment is part of the rhetoric that helps these b***ards rasicalise normal people.
Amazing to think that so many like you actually do believe this.
Wouldn’t bombing Muslim countries for 15 years be a bigger motivation for someone to radicalise? If Trumps words can radicalise moderate Muslims, then they were already radicals in the first place
If what Trump says makes someone kill civilians they were never “normal”.
@Sean – Rubbish!
you are blamimg him, you did not condem that fool above who called for his murder, instead you attacked me by justifying trumps murder and calling trump an extremist. You pulled the racist card on me, because i dont want mass islamic migration. The usual nonsense which no longer has any effect. Islam is not a race sean, its an ideology. Nothing more.
Again Jynx,
This is a hugely complex issue without a single cause or solution.
The single point I’m making is that Trump’s rhetoric does no one any good and in fact (according to experts) could be doing harm.
John,
I’m not saying he’s to blame, I’m saying he’s not helping matters and could be doing harm.
I didn’t comment on the call to murder Trump because I didn’t think it worth commenting on. That of course, absolutely without a shadow of a doubt would be a terrible thing worthy of condemnation.
I didn’t pull the racist card at all. Call a spade a spade… And if you don’t like the term racist, maybe bigoted, xenophobic, or islamophobic would work better for you.
and you support the murder of political rivals Sean, what does that make you? A terrorist sympathiser, yes lets call a spade a spade.
I dont want to see ireland destroyed by mass islamic migration, i question an ideology which openly calls for the subjugation of non muslims, and im a bigot? An islamophobe? A zenophobe…what race is islam sean? Could you enlighten me? Its not a race, its a political ideology. You keep bringing up race and xenophobia. I suppose its zenophobic to condem the nazis…they were all german sean.
A phobia is an irrational fear. i suppose the christians and yazis who have been subjected to genocide forced sexual slavery which is all allowed in islam are islamophobes too? Ah sure its their culture.
I put it to you, you are th
John,
Where have I said that? That’s simply a lie. I in no way support the murder of anyone at all. Don’t talk crap.
Xenophobia is the dislike or prejudice of people from other countries, not other races. You didn’t “question” anything, you weren’t asking questions you were giving answers.
If you bear ill will towards Germans because of the Nazis yes, it’s xenophobic.
If you bear ill will towards Muslims because of ISIS yes, it’s xenophobic.
Sean
First of you are completely full of crap.
I bear ill will towards Islam as an ideology, not towards individual Muslims. What would you call me?
Trump is doing harm? He’s the only one who has called this entire situation. i.e. don’t invade Iraq. He mentioned Brussels months ago in relation to Islamic extremism. His calls for banning Muslims until they can get control of the situation is actually just common sense and I wish we would start employing the same logic here in Europe before this gets much much worse, which it will.
When you rush to justify a comment made by someone calling for trump to be put down…thats interesting to say the least. You are talking crap by calling me a racist and a bigot and a zenophobe.
You call me a racist and a zenophobe because i question mass Muslim migration. As i said, historically this has not worked out well for the host countries. Look at Lebanon, a recent example.
I am questioning and challenging the ideology of Islam by placing comments here and that’s not racist or zenophobic. You people reach for the racist card very quickly. I won’t let you away with it.
More people need to challenging Islam, that’d the only way Muslims will change their view. They can stop cursing Christians and Jews in their mosques for a start and reject the hate speech in their Koran and hadiths. we can all level unreasonable accusations at each other, i hope you have learned that from this encounter.
Jynx, that’s Islamophobic. “dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.”
Trump is the ONLY one who was against the invasion of Iraq??? Are you mad?! He mentioned it months ago in relation to Islamic extremism because Brussels is where some of these people are FROM. They weren’t migrants, they were home grown, Belgian by birth.
When you say banning Muslims, if we’ve identified (and we have) that these are acts of domestic terrorism, committed by Belgian nationals, how does banning refugees in ANY way address that?
Also, what does “banning” mean? Are you going shut Mosques, ban Arabic, burn The Koran, round up all the existing Muslims and put them in camps or simply deport the 44 million Muslims in Europe and the 3.3 Million in America? Where do you send them?
Please tell me how any of that can be regarded as common sense?
John,
Where did I say that? Go on, show me…
You’re talking crap isn’t really a defence… I haven’t said the things you claim I did and I’m saying that what you’ve said is bigoted and xenophobic.
More people need to start challenging the supposition that extremism and Islam are the same thing.
Many Muslims DO speak out against violence and extremism. You choose not to hear them. I have to say the only thing I’ve learned is that intolerance is far more rife than I realised.
How is condeming islam bigoted and zenophobic? Its an ideology, If im understanding you correctly you understand that islam is a political force? Ok…but its not alright to have a dislike to islam as a political force??….that silly Sean…ISIS is a political wing of Islam.
i better start loving the shinners then, my deep dislike to their policys probably means im a bigot and a shinnerophobe.
A phobia is an irreational fear of something, to fear an ideology which curses christians and jews, with a substantial majority thinking its ok to kill people who leave islam is not an irrational fear. Islamonausia…sick of Islam. Islamorealism. That’s the definition of a persons who understands the ideology.
What i said is bigoted and Zenophobic? Again what race is Islam? Also you recognise that Islam is a political movement, but according to your logic….Im not allowed to critique a political movement? Best leave the fina fail alone then…..Ok..then…..that’s the height of…stupidity! Anyway i have things to do. Have a nice day.
Right on time. The terrorists didn’t murder innocent civilians because Donald Trump said mean words. If you want to find out who’s causing terrorism look at the imams or the Saudi, Qatari and American government but of course you won’t do that because that connects this to Islam. You will find everything to blame it on other than Islam because in the wise words of Saudi stooge Hillary Clinton ” Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism ” https://youtu.be/yeJ-iv3MOTo
I love how these “experts” get so much air time. They have no expertise, just agendas. But I suppose that’s why they get the air time. Good story tellers though
You’re talking about trump, right?
Nobody needs to “fund” an anti Trump campaign, anyone with half a brain can see he’s poisonous.
Think if they see this they might reconsider joining the war… https://youtu.be/MMKFIHRpe7I
Insanity Testing for all entering any Political House – Trump no requirement needed the key has been thrown away!
Their “partners”..?
Deborah, naive wouldn’t usually be the term we use to describe mass murderers. Was Anders Behring breivik naive too?
Seems they don’t need much to recruit men and women to go blow themselves and others up. These people have been killing in Allahs name for centuries
@Sean- so who is it that’s being Radicalized’ and how exactly does that work? Becoming a radical Jain wouldn’t cause the rest of us any issues would it? And, tell us, why have middle eastern christians, who’ve also been bombed, not become radicalized in a way that leads to suicide bombing of civilians in Europe?
Isn’t opposing against racism and hatred how we became a Republic?
Ali selim used the word islamaphobia last night….you have to wonder why?
Trump uses ISIS videos to recruit followers. ISIS uses Trump videos to recruit followers. It’s a vicious cycle.
Sean…ali selim used the word islamaphobia last night….you are in good company..same vernacular..
The very word “radicalised” is a form of camoflage..a minimilisation..i think blowing up 250 civilians in brussels is more than just “radical”…its mass murder,an atrocity..
John kelly…..well done.
thanks Peter, im doing my best here. The same people who condem anyone for critising islam, are only too happy to call all priests paedophiles and laugh at christians. And this is ok? but say one word about islam, and you are a raaacist….what a meaningless word this has become.
Im not saying sean does this, i dont know. Clearly he is an intelligant guy.
How stupid are people who buy this as a reason to censor political discussion? “If people in the west say anything we don’t like we’ll attack you.” I hope Trump keeps talking sh*t, if only so these b***ards know we won’t lie down and submit to their will on command.
Can’t we all just get along?
I’m moving to Utah!
As if they need a reason.. They don’t need Trump videos when they have the hate filled Islamic ideology instilled in their heads from birth
There’s 1.7 billion Muslims in the world, we meet them every day. Why aren’t we all dead?
We Have A brain Dead School Teacher in charge of our Nation / Caretakers.
There are two very simple ways to stop ISIS:
1. Forbid buying oil from the Middle East..
2. Forbid selling arms to the Middle East.
(Saudi Princes will go back to being nomads then.)
American and British capitalists fuel the fire.
The British and American capitalists call the advanced weapons they sell to the Middle East “The Defense Industry”.. You have to laugh.
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