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Updated 9.20am, 14 April
A WOMAN HAS made a statement to gardaí after she was left bloodied at an anti-water charges protest last night.
The woman was one of four protesters who had lodged themselves in a revolving door at Fingal County Council yesterday afternoon.
A video posted on the Dublin Says No Facebook page shows gardaí attempting to remove the protesters. There is some resistance and the sound of glass shattering, though the video does not show how it happened.
A second video shows the woman being escorted from the offices by security staff and gardaí, her face and clothes bloodied.
Anti Austerity Alliance councillor Eugene Coppinger told TheJournal.ie last night that around 25 protesters were at Swords Garda Station at that time, and a number of protesters were giving statements to the gardaí.
He said that the woman had been treated by ambulance staff on the scene, but had lost a lot of blood. He said that people had a right to protest.
“This was a peaceful protest. People have a right to breach security if they want.”
Gardaí said that they were called to attend a protest while removing a protesters from the doorway, and a woman received a “minor injury”, being treated on scene.
The matter is being investigated by gardaí.
First published 13 April
Why does the journal keep saying the gardai “left” the talks when they were never “in” them to leave
Correct Johnny.
The Gardai left the room which they were being “briefed” in while the talks down the corridor were taking place.
The journal.ie is continuing with Alan Shatters spin and lies
Public sector workers average weekly wage is € 918.99 compared with € 611.66 in the private sector (at the end of June 2012), according to the Central Statistics Office (CSO):
for Regonald Timpson,
Maybe you should read the link you posted. The average gross wage is €687.84.
After pension, pension levy, tax, prsi, income levy and other deductions an average wage is 400-450 euro.
Also how many people in the private sector wear a stab jacket to work or have people
vomit all over them. The greats trick the government (FF/FG/Lab) ever pulled was blaming the crash of 2008 on the public servants. And now their spin doctors have both the Public and Private sector fighting between ourselves as Ministers/TDs/Councilors/ Senators sit back with their over payed wages and laugh at us all.
KIeran
Wouldn’t bother with Reginald, he posts the same links on all matters concerning the PS, tiresome at this stage. Anyone can quote figures, but short on facts..
Funny enough, he says the country’s broke, yet he is refusing to pay property tax and water charges… In reggies own words, ” should others pay?”
I await his ” don’t cut thee” quote.
Well put
Could it be, finally the unions are starting to fight. About time
Same Teaching unions who advised their members to allow the government pay new graduates less, in order to protect themselves. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Like your avatar, Conor!
Unions fight? Never!
Their members fight? Yes, but they have to fight their own fat cat bureaucrats too.
It’s like fighting with no arms.
Exactly Rodrigo , these teaching union are a disgrace , piping up now after willingly stitching up their new entrants for fear some of the very well paid mid career coasters would take any impact . try to talk out of both sides of their mouth now. Cue the 800 red thumbs Journal now being heavily patrolled by union members
Unions start to fight now that the higher earners are being targeted? Not even pretending to be credible.
I have my doubts.
65k a year &5 months holiday… cop on.
Dont forget iron clad job security regardless of performance.
I don’t necessarily disagree….but just want to point out that school leaders don’t get the same holidays. Also it’s been hard to recruit principals. No one wants to do it even with the higher salary! There has to be a reason it’s never been worth 65000!
65k and 5 months holidays for whom ?. I would like to know ?
I’m a junior lecturer represented by the TUI, I’m on between 20 and 30K. Between contact hours and preparation I am probably working 60 or 70 hours a week. I am on a 2 year contract, many of my colleagues – some of whom have over six years experience – are employed on an hourly paid basis with not contract let alone ‘Iron clad job security’ in sight
why do we always get this union propaganda dribble out every public sector worker being on 20 -30 K like Dietrich below . laways they same rubbish folk we always haer about entrance salaries as if these guys wages didnt go up dramtically increase . Just go on these CSO and all the actual dat is there
I graduated last year as a teacher and the only work I’ve had is 2 weeks substituting and a number of unsuccessful interviews. I know things are different nowadays and it wasn’t as tough years ago but the idea that there’s something out there in the public sector for those who have qualified for something like teaching/nursing/Gardai there is limited demand in the private sector for these jobs.
If there’s one thing from the private sector that should be learned by the public sector it’s the idea of what has been called above “iron clad job security”.
Now I’m not certain how it is achievable to put metrics on a lot of these jobs given there often is no “product” in the way there mostly is in private industry but I’m sure it’s possible.
People should be performing in whatever job they are in and so, if performance is measurable, so is underperformance – in which case the “coasters” should be kicked and/or fired.
If the metrics are demonstrable then there is little that a legal challenge could achieve.
I’m sure the bunch of classmates that went to England for work would love to be back in Ireland.
Tomy… I’m very sorry to hear of your plight. After achieving a degree and not being able to find work is a real travesty. I know that this is no consolation. .. However, this is the way it has been in the US for years. For this reason, in the US, you will find people with several degrees, or working in a field that has little relationship to their degree, or a person at an age past 30 furthering their education. In the US we are use to reinventing ourselves. For example, if something doesn’t work out career wise… Then we try something new. There is no shame in this.
I am a prime example. I have three degrees, several certifications and have worked in 12 different industries. Furthermore, I have been employed since age of 12. Yes I did have a childhood. However, my parents decided early on… That they would give me the basics… If I wanted more, I would have to work for it.
It was tough with sports, school and a job… But I knew nothing different. My success or job was never guaranteed.
I’m not saying you are in tbis group… But there are plenty of people believe that tbey are owed something. Either from their parents, the state or their employer. This type of mentality doesn’t improve the life of the person or our country.
Good luck… Something will come if you take a broader look at your abilities and skills.
Indeed Marlon – I think though that the perception that there are a lot of people out there right now who believe they are “entitled” is overstated.
I never believed I was “entitled” to a job – only entitled to look for one. For my own situation, I’ve chased after this because it’s what I want to do (after working in private industry prior to going back to college) – given there is no work there right now, I’m already branching out to complete a course which has the double benefit of serving private industry and of being extremely relevant to technology teaching.
I do think there is some management that could come from government on PS jobs though. To stick to teaching, there are a bunch of fresh, willing new entrants who’s morale is being sapped before ever getting to the work. While they search for work, they are getting JSB/JSA. Addressing areas where there are poor teachers or teachers near retirement is not, to me, unreasonable. And I’m not talking about forced retirement – just incentives which, while they may cos a little extra, would overall reduce the public pay bill as the retiree is replaced by someone on the lower end of the pay scale who would also not then be claiming social welfare.
This Government has brought to life the meaning of ” Death By A Thousand Cuts ” . What’s worse again is the sublime arrogance in their methods. I’m tired of hearing the Private/Public sector arguments over and over , the fact is the normal everyday man and woman are doing their best to make ends meet and just get by from day to day. I think as a people we have been robbed of a decent standard of living in general by the very people we elected on the basis that they understood and actually cared about its citizens. Is there anybody out there that can actually say that they don’t go from one end of the week to the other without worrying about where they will find the money for the next bill or expense. Isn’t it a sad day in Ireland when we have our disabled people , our most vulnerable people , who receive very little general help as it is getting their allowances cut overnight at the whim of a Minister. The same Minister’s may I add that claim thousands in expenses a month . They then treat with utter distain the frontline workers by cutting into their pay over and over and over till eventually they bring morale to an all time low and have people going into work in many cases hungry and with no money in their pockets to get a cup of tea. What I will say is the Private Sector better heed warning , as when they are done tearing apart the Public Sector I can only imagine that they will be coming after the Private enterprise . Get these overpaid clowns out once and for all .
The target with Croke Park 2 is €1bn
Perhaps that could be increased to €4 bn ?
Can the country even afford the public sector payroll?
Did you see what we pay compared to other Eurozone countries?
Reg simple question you might answer,you keep mentioning other countries notably Greece and Lativia,can you tell everyone the cost of living in these countries.Be honest because i have been to both these countries,Riga is especially beautiful in the autumn.
Yeah you’re right there troll. Get rid of the public sector.We’ll outsource the lot.
Get the Gardai from Greece. A bit of corruption wouldn’t be out of place.
Some teachers from Texas. The have a great ethos there and the exam results should skyrocket.
Some big scary Russian nurses would sort out the health system. Just chop off that arm it’ll be quicker than stitching.
Some Eskimo firemen would help too with all their experience.
The one group we should keep though are the politicians. They’re running the country perfectly and with great passion and sobriety.
Greece and Latvia reg, Greece and Latvia
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=vUJrkl8A3cI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvUJrkl8A3cI&gl=GB
Just for Reg
So you’re saying don’t pay them? That’s very nice of you regi. I guess their value of work is lower vibe than yours since you’re a private worker and all.
As already stated reggie, but u choose to ignore..
Ireland cost of PS playbill is 11.2% and the euro average is 11.1% OECD figures… But the again reggie, couldn’t be bothered with actual facts…
Yes reggie, occording to OECD we pay 11.2% of GDP for the PS and the euro average Is 11.1%, I’ve already pointed this out to u on other threads, but because its a FACT, you will ignore it as usual…
Regonald is some banter in fairness,
Gets me every time
Reported abusive comment.
Loads more deductions in the public sector wages than in private sector…
‘Abusive comment’
Haha good man reg, if that’s your idea of abuse , than thank god your bit one of our frontline workers.
Good man
Not *
I have learned many things about the Irish cultural and people since relocating to Ireland. Generally, the Irish culture people are very curious in regards to visitors of this country. The average Irish person is compassionate. I’ve never seen such empathy, until I moved to Ireland. However, I’ve never seen such begrudgery until moving here. Further, the blatant amount of greed, entitlement, ignorance, ineffective and disorganization that exist with politicians, public sector managers, and union officials is astounding.
I guess as a blow-in, I see the obvious… And sadly, the obvious is continues to damage this country.
Ireland cannot afford to dwell on the old ways of yesteryear.
Can you elaborate!? What’re the ‘Old Ways of Yesteryear’??
The old ways of yesteryear:
• Lawyers, priests, doctors, politicians are above reproach.
• Governmental decisions and processes are hidden by hind close doors.
• The Church and State are and integrated entity that makes decisions for Ireland.
• The Catholic Church is a deciding factor written the Irish Constitution.
• Political and governing bodies self-regulation
• Expensive tribunals
• The difficult act of pursuing white collar crimes
• Lack of accountability
• Poor health care
The above are a number of points from yesteryear… I’m sure there are more.
Some of the points are being addressed to some degree. However, a complete make-over stops when any decision affects the pay of the ruling of our politicians.
I think he means Nigeria.
Declan Conway…. What does Nigeria have to do with anything?
Marlon – I would say we have good healthcare but a poorly run system (which admittedly could be a LOT LOT better)
Other than that, I think Irish local communities think and vote on a local level and that’s not good overall.
To some degree, I think Ireland is changing and the more information that’s out there, the more people are demanding better. I think instead of a revolution type of action we’re slowly evolving into more action. That’s not to paint a picture of major national protest and upset – just that I think people are being more active about mobilising to inform their local representatives about what they want changed.
Tomy… Unfortunately, I disagree with you regarding health care. The system is poorly managed and there is a major divide as to scientific advances. Please see article in Journal.ie yesterday:
However, I do agree… Ireland is changing to some degree… However, it isn’t by choice. To be honest… I have yet to see an original thought or idea come from any of our politicians or government. If it weren’t for our membership to the EU, many of the laws that exist would not be in place. Ireland was forced by the EU to move forward. Further, changes also happened because of scandal (e.g. Banking, Priests, Laundries, Aherne, Haughey)
Please note… In no way is this attack on your opinion nor am I suggesting a revolution is required. However, I would suggest that an alternative choice must be made. Our representatives and politicians are not prioritising our needs before their own. They seek to insure their security without thinking of our country.
Please remember… It was at Charles Haughey’s funeral that a speech was given as to how selfless, honest and hardworking he was. The speech also included the fact that Haughey was a patriot of this country. This was the same man who requested that the average hardworking Irish person tighten their belt as he was robbing the country blind.
Marlon makes a fair point in some respects!! I’ll give him his dues! However, on a side-note, your take on the Bloody Sunday massacre & U2′s subsequent tribute to it is ‘slightly’ off there fella!
It’s time for Ireland to rewrite the lousy labor law and allow trade unionists to fully represent members with binding arbitration AND the right to strike.
I don’t think there is a need for a right to strike. What exists currently is a system which protects strikers provided sufficient notice is served. Personally, I don’t think that’s a bad system given that it allows time for reaction and intervention.
It is one of the more interesting aspects of this great little nation that the usual suspects turn up in court or tribunals with a batch of lawyers, accountants, spin doctors and whatever to ensure that their ‘rights’ are vindicated but an individual employee has to fight his/her own corner if an employer chooses to not recognise a union.
That’s great if you have the wherewithall to stand your ground and good luck to you. But if you don’t you can be treated like dirt. You have the right to be or not to be a member of a union it should automatically follow that you have a right to be represented by a union if you so choose.
Kind of surprised to see such an amount of red thumbs. I’d love to hear from someone as to why a “right to strike” would be stronger than the current system of serving notice?
Would a “right to strike” not also be conditional of serving notice etc? I just don’t see what would change in that respect.
Ah here Dietrich Död, will you stop with your facts, you’ll upset the anti public sector brigade.
Uniona can leave the talks all day want they know and everyone else know these cuts have to happen if they want to look like they are fighting them then so be it because they know only to well if the goverment just legislate for them
I’d like to see them try and legislate it in. They started the fight and we’ll end it. Enough is enough.
Ryan the know that people cant afford to strike and they are using the leglislation treat to force them to agree to the terms
They can threat all they want, strike is inevitable if they legislate, we’ll call their bluff.
We will see
Then they just sit it out. No big deal. You can’t strike forever. The reason unions are leaving these talks is because they know they’ll be pushed through regardless, so it’s time to save a little face and look like they opposed them all along.
Kevin,
No one will be able to sit it out if the Unions stand together and implement widespread and prolonged industrial action. Doctors, nurses, gardai, teachers, civil service, council workers, electricity and gas utility workers , road, rail, sea and air transport workers and the list goes on. They can grind the country to a shuddering halt in a matter of hours if they choose to do so. That is the power of organised labour if the Unions are prepared to wield it and the government would be wise to tread carefully. We are governed by consent. It’s time the people remembered this truth.
Every one went out on the austerity marched organised ny impact, so if they go for the vote yes in the upcoming ballot the will have thousands walking away from them and the other unions are currently recruiting and plenty are -impressed with the attitude of the others, walking away.
700000 public sector workers in a population of 5 million ……
300,000 public sector workers in a population of 5 million!
A P if your gonna try and start an arguement,will you at least use correct figures.Both amounts are incorrect,Public Sector 292,000 i believe and 4.5 million population.
Little off the mark there
If people don’t want to work in the public sector they should get a job in the private sector it’s so much better.
the cartel need to see the light its “yes ” for people power now knows what the pay is as against what most of them earn
Today as a therapist I’d half the wards where I work to check/work on. One person a few hundred beds… Yes a few hundred. Why? Well annual leave, mat leave and yes sick leave. I’m at the point of falling down tired. Did I get everything done No. Will I tomorrow No. Should I even get out of bed tomorrow? I’m beginning to wonder as I feel I’m getting more and more bogged down. I’ve a month if admin on my desk and yes next wk we still have the mat leave and annual leave…. Its a permanent cover saga as people are off. Is my salary worth this crap? My body doesn’t think it is. So I’ve clocked up 40+ hours and I have tomorrow to go. Should I accept impacts recommendation – I honestly don’t know.
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