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Question: Should Ireland increase its carbon tax?

Successful candidates will be involved in developing European climate policies.

In our audit of the Midlands North West European election candidates, we asked candidates to answer questions on nine of the most pressing issues facing Ireland and Europe in the coming years.

Should Ireland increase its carbon tax? What other climate change measures should Ireland introduce?

Saoirse McHugh

There is no point in increasing a carbon tax without there being existing infrastructure to move to. We need nationwide retrofit and huge investment in public transport to reduce consumption.

We need cities where people can afford to live to take the pressure off urban sprawl. All new renewable projects should be state or community owned. We should pay farmers and people cutting turf to re-wet peatlands.

Ireland should pursue an ambitious native forestry policy that has communities, biodiversity, and carbon sequestration at its core. We need to entirely refocus our agricultural system away from export of commodity products and refocus around farmers on the land producing food for local consumption in an environmentally positive manner.

We should not entertain the building of the LNG terminal in Shannon.

We should not grant any new drilling licenses. I could go on and on.

Mairead McGuinness

Creating a price for carbon ensures that the polluter pays. The Joint Oireachtas Climate Action Committee voted for the inclusion of a provision on a carbon tax in its Climate Action report which will feed into Minister Bruton’s Climate Plan. Fine Gael supported this approach which sets up a long-term price for carbon of €80 per tonne by 2030, up from the current €20.

Carbon tax isn’t the only way we price carbon – we’re also part of the EU’s Emission Trading Scheme (ETS), which covers sectors of the economy that use a lot of energy like manufacturing or electricity production (about 45pc of EU greenhouse gas emissions are covered).

We need to look at how the carbon tax is applied in conjunction with other EU climate actions. At EU level we’ve agreed to ambitious legislation and targets to cut our emissions. Now we need to implement those decisions and meet our targets.

We also need to ensure widespread public buy-in. There were huge protests in France when a carbon tax meant higher fuel costs. We’re very car dependent in Ireland, so we should also invest in measures that help people reduce their dependence on carbon, like public transport and electric vehicles. We should have a positive message to encourage individual and societal change, investing in innovation and green technology.

But a just transition to support vulnerable sectors and communities is also important. The burden cannot fall on those least able to carry it.

Peter Casey

While I agree with the tax in principle, there needs to be viable alternatives available for people to switch to and until then, I don’t think carbon tax should be introduced as motor fuel and travel will go through the roof. We’re facing an international emergency crisis with regards to climate change and Ireland should be leading the way on banning plastic bottles. As your MEP, I will promise that Ireland takes action and ban single use plastics. I am calling on drinks companies to return to the use of glass or to embrace biodegradable bottles. I believe it is a solvable problem and wouldn’t it be great if Ireland was the one to lead the way?

Matt Carthy

Sinn Féin wants to see real climate action, not carbon taxes. We oppose any increase in the carbon tax, which will punish ordinary families who are already struggling with the cost of living. Climate change is the defining challenge of our generation. The depth and breadth of change we require to decarbonise our economies and societies is such that it can only be dealt with by an emergency plan, led by governments, and coordinated at the international level. Leaving this challenge up to ‘market forces’ is a recipe for disaster.

Proposals such as carbon tax hikes not only punish the poorest, they are ineffective at reducing emissions. The international evidence in conclusive on this fact; market measures do not work, and emissions have continued to rise. Last year saw an EU record high in emissions.

What we need at the EU and Irish level is a coordinated and unprecedented government-led roll-out of a major capital investment programme that massively expands public transport, retrofits homes and public buildings, invests directly in renewable energy, builds bike lanes and local gardens, and much more. At the same time we need a binding phase-out date for fossil fuels.

Cyril Brennan

No – carbon taxes do not work. We need to invest in public transport and cut the fares to get people out of cars. We need public investment in a renewable programme rather than subsidising private corporation in the hope that they will develop a renewable industry.

Patrick Greene

The answer is no, we should not increase carbon tax. I think it is a scam and an alternative plan should be put in place.

We have a long way to go when our state is addicted to the tax take from the building industry and transportation. The very, very, very, low percentage tax on international corporations needs to be reversed to allow for proper introduction of incentives for families and businesses to reduce carbon emissions.

There is plenty of scope with proper management but yet again the traditional two-party system has failed our nation. Hemp can be used to create a new industry for farmers and industrialists alike drastically reducing carbon emissions and through the use of hemp in the building sector we can sequester carbon into the buildings for long-term if not permanent storage. But the tax take for the state would be lower mismanagement by parish pump politics being an encumbrance to our nation’s carbon strategy.

Digester plants for production of heat and electricity for large-scale building complexes esp. hospitals and state buildings should have been built years ago.

Carbon is not the only issue, cotton being one of the most polluting products on the planet needs to be managed on a global scale with a carrot and stick approach in order to manage our water resources better, water usage being but one of cottons darker sides.

Citizen initiated referenda can force the State to act more responsibly by allowing the people to have the ability to correct State misdemeanours.

Michael O’Dowd

No we should not introduce a carbon tax until we put in place proper public transport.

Fidelma Healy Eames

No to carbon tax but I want to see incentives to change our behaviour environmentally e.g. renewable energy schemes that allow us seek the energy we generate onto the grid i.e. make renewable energy a tax-free income.

No to plastic e.g. I have a ‘no plastic poster’ campaign.

Introduce walkways and cycleways for ease of connectivity.

Good public transport connectivity a must.

Brendan Smith

Seeing the climate change response just in terms of taxing carbon is to misread the urgency of the situation and depth of the actions needed.

I fully support the EU’s climate change targets and believe that climate change must be at the heart of all EU actions and policies.

I back the establishment of both a new EU Climate Bank to finance carbon transition projects and a Just Transition Fund. We must also develop Carbon EU policies and expand the powers of the ECB, so it can publish the exposure of financial institutions to climate change.

Here at home, Fianna Fáil has ensured that the Government must introduce specific measures to protect those in fuel poverty prior to any carbon tax increase and that money raised be ring-fenced to assist people not in a position to immediately transition from fossil fuels.

Maria Walsh

Extra revenue generated through the carbon tax can be used to fund measures directly aimed at low-income families such as the winter fuel allowance and the Better Energy Warmer Homes scheme. The recent report on Climate Action by the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action recommended that the Government should consider the impacts of any future Carbon Tax increase on low-income families.

I want the EU to lead on implementing the Paris Climate Agreement. It is vital to protect our planet for future generations. This will require bold action – now – and changes to the way people live their lives. I will work to support ambitious emissions reduction targets for 2050.

Anne Rabbitte

Climate change is something people have repeatedly raised as an issue on the doorstep and there’s no denying that people recognise it for the potential disaster that it is. Indeed, it was a Fianna Fáil amendment to the Oireachtas report on Climate Action this week that saw Ireland become only the second country in the world to declare a climate change and biodiversity emergency.

The truth of the matter is that the situation has gotten to such an extent now that it’s likely to have an economic impact because we’re essentially playing catch-up.

The government need to ensure that any carbon tax increase would be introduced in tandem with specific measures to protect those vulnerable to fuel poverty. Revenues generated from this need to be ring-fenced in legislation to assist people who may not be in a position to immediately transition from fossil fuels. We need to be serious in our strategy to tackle growing emissions and delayed action is only going to result in much greater burdens on the next generation.

As a legislator, I would like to see all policies, at both Irish and EU level, subjected to a carbon cost analysis, which would make it clear what the cost of an individual policy is in terms of the future consequences of climate change of the carbon created or displaced by the policy.

On a European level, a new EU Climate Bank should be established, tasked with financing the wide array of climate transition investments needed over the coming decades. This would be open to both public and private bodies and offer low-interest rates.

The establishment of a Just Transition Fund would also offer support to areas and communities that may be disproportionately affected as we transition from carbon intensive activities, such as loss of Bord na Mona jobs in the midlands. This fund would help attract new industries, local employment initiatives and finance educational opportunities.

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    Mute Hugh Fogerty
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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:38 AM

    Nothing but a money making scheme, how many accidents have been on this stretch of road? Soon these ‘safety’ cameras will be generating millions, at the expense of the motorist, on every motorway in Ireland.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:50 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: not really. They work really well in the UK. 120kmph is more than enough for anyone to be doing on any road in Ireland. If you know you will end up with points and a fine you just won’t speed! Simple.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:52 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: If people stick to the limit, they won’t get fined. It’s that simple.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:05 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: Very easy way to throw a spanner in the works of this money making scheme.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:36 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: you probably think taxation is theft too, yeah?

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:40 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: If you’re thick enough to get penalty points on this stretch of motorway, and it’s very clearly indicated that it’s an average-speed zone, then you deserve to be fined and get penalty points.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 9:28 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: you don’t have much faith in the intelligence levels of Irish motorists do you? Only way this will generate money is if people speed.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 9:42 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: why would you need to go any faster than the speed limit? Standard of driving in this country is appalling.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:00 AM

    @Edward Reid: vast majority of motorways in Europe are 130km/h… 120 would be low compared

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:33 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: only the BMW and Mercedes drivers need worry.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:52 AM

    @Hugh Fogerty: Quite a lot actually it is a spot that, quite a lot of rain water stays on because it was built on a bog and has been a lot of accidents with aquaplaning.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:04 AM

    @Paul Furey: You can add Audi to that list as well.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:40 AM

    @Brendan Nolan: quite a lot is an interesting quantum, not sure if I said not very much would that be as big a number? Without actual figures it’s all conjecture. I’ve never seen an accident on that stretch of road.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 12:54 PM

    @Brendan Nolan: so what you are saying is that stretch of road was badly engineered?

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    Apr 25th 2022, 1:09 PM

    @Saigionsive: taxation is theft when it’s not used for what it was intended.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 5:03 PM

    @Hugh Fogerty: every day there are accidents on these roads. I don’t think speed is the problem though so this figure won’t change.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:20 AM

    If compliance was below 70% on a road, would one not think to assess if the 120kph limit was still correct? Maybe that was a sign 130kph or higher would be suited.

    * fixed comment – give me edit!

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:56 AM

    @Richard: I’m not sure. If you give more people end up taking more. They would push to 140/150 if the legal limit was 130. I think the majority of people stick to 120 as it is, only some people think they should be allowed to do as they wish whether or not it puts anyone else in danger or not. I’m all for each to their own but if you cause an accident just because your a macho man showing of or whatever the reason and it killed my family or kids it changes the situation. Slow down, enough families have suffered already.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 9:05 AM

    @Richard: We need to start reducing speed limits.
    Fuel consumption at 130 km/HR would be much higher than say 100km/HR..
    Electric cars are not suited to high speed as they have huge battery consumption above 100 km/ HR.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:02 AM

    @Roger Bond: that should be a person own personal choice and use of money to spend it burning fuel or reducing their electric range. 130km in most European countries as the norm on motorways

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:50 PM

    @Richard: What’s the point? Driving at 130kph instead of 120 saves you about 24 seconds on a 10km journey. Are we really in that much of a hurry that it’s worth the increased danger and fuel consumption? If we say Limerick to Dublin is about 200km which is a long journey in Ireland, that’s just 8 mins knocked off the entire journey! And that’s assuming a direct motorway with no slow-downs or stops. Each increase above that gives you less and less saving on time.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:26 PM

    @Roger Bond: that’s why you should not buy toy cars.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:21 AM

    Another nanny state intervention. “if you get to the next camera too quickly you will be flagged on our server.” How about people just follow the safety rules? Seems that the government has taken over the church for “rule following” and being forced into submission.
    How about free will, trusting people to do the right thing and give them a ticket if they are caught speeding by a Garda officer?

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:51 AM

    @Seeking Truth: its more simple than this tbh.

    It was simply put in to make money.

    None of them gives a flying f… about people.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:09 AM

    @John Johnes: Seems to be a way to let people decide if they want to throw money away. The average speed zone will be well flagged on approach.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:26 AM

    @Seeking Truth: the issue with that is that not every person speeding is caught by a speed camera van, as there simply aren’t enough of them in place at each location. I think this new system will be a positive one in that it still gives people the option to speed, or not, while guaranteeing that they are caught if they do. Their choice, with consequences for the wrong one.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 9:10 AM

    @Seeking Truth: so if you think this is a nanny state should we drop health and safety in the workplace and let the ordinary worker set the the standards or have none and more deaths. Should we not have regulations for electrical devices and import potential fire hazards from every country in a race to the bottom.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 9:19 AM

    @Seeking Truth: Because, left to their own ‘free will’, a lot of people behave badly.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:11 AM

    @Seeking Truth: we’ll they have being allowing people the choice till this morning, the result has been 6 deaths and 54 serious accidents on this particular stretch of road so if given some people haven’t kept to the speed limit they have opted to enforce the speed limit. I don’t understand the issue here, what is the issue with keeping to the 120 limit? Are you so important and or in such a rush that speed limits don’t apply to you?

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:46 AM

    @Peter: is that in the past week? That’s quite a lot tbf.

    Do you have a source for those numbers? We’re they in dry conditions or other conditions?

    Personally I think the speed limit should be variable, higher in dry weather and low traffic volumes, lower in bad weather and or high traffic volumes. We have regional roads that used to be safe for 60mph with older less safe cars yet we are now told we have to drive 80kph on them now. Its not about safety it’s about revenue generation.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:05 AM

    As cars are being made safer and faster we’re lowering limits, doesn’t make sense, speed limit should be raised to 140 on major motorways in the right hand lane anyway

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:30 AM

    @pkunzip doom2.zip: at 110 KPH versus 120 KPH I get an extra 10% more kilometers from my tank of diesel. That saves around 11.00 euro per fill.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:34 AM

    @pkunzip doom2.zip: if I set my speed limiter to 110 KPH versus 120 KPH I get an extra 10% distance. At current diesel prices that is a saving of €11.00 per fill.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:22 AM

    @Rudy de Groot: that’s great for you, well done. When I drive my leaf at 115km I get 250km from a €6.40 charge but when I want to overtake some dckhead in a leaf doing 115km and I’m in my Golf I don’t want to 3 points for driving safely, well within the car and drivers capabilities

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:47 AM

    @Rudy de Groot: you’d get even more out of your tank if you drove at 80kph

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    Apr 25th 2022, 1:44 PM

    @Anthony Guinnessy: not everyone is concerned about their mileage as you seem to be, if you drive at 80km/h on a motorway you deserve a fine for dangerous driving

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:01 AM

    Can these camera be used to catch drivers that do not Indicate when overtaking and undertaking ??

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:03 AM

    @lorcmulv: the answer is in their name!

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:46 AM

    @lorcmulv: and the roundabouts. In a normal world – whoever does not use their indicators are being fined.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:20 AM

    If compliance was below 70% on a road, would one. It think you assess if the 120kph limit was still correct? Maybe that was a sign 130kph or higher would be suited.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 7:41 AM

    just as well my old van wont go over 120km

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:05 AM

    It’s about time these got rolled out, they need to be put on every stretch of motorway in the country along with variable speed limits. Both have been proven to work for reducing accidents and deaths and traffic flow. If people are driving as per the rules of the road then they have nothing to worry about. For those saying it’s a money making racket I would say they are the very people that are being targeted, not to make money from them but to change the way they drive so they are complying with the posted speed limits.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:51 AM

    @Peter: why then are most motorway speed limits higher in Europe? Ever heard of the auto bahn? “Measurements from the German state of Brandenburg in 2006 showed average speeds of 142 km/h (88 mph) on a 6-lane section of autobahn in free-flowing conditions.[3]”

    ^^ thats a proper road network and just as safe as ours.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:26 AM

    I find if I put my speed limiter to 110 KPH I get an extra 10% from my tank of diesel. Considering the cost of fuel it makes sense to reduce speed and save money (and be kinder to the environment too)

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:48 AM

    @Rudy de Groot: I’d say you’ll find if you put your speed limiter to 80kph you’ll save even more. What’s your point?

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:48 AM

    Have we invested anything in preventing drivers from travelling in the wrong direction on this motorway?

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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:51 AM

    Ireland catching up with the rest of Europe.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:52 AM

    @FliepFlap: Ireland falling further behind the rest of Europe. Safer cars, better roads should mean higher speed limits.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 12:03 PM

    Drove it this morning, main issue was drivers in the overtaking lane doing 120, makes it difficult when you come up behind a slow vehicle and cant pass for the queue of cars cruising in the overtaking lane.
    Then once past the second camera off they are like rockets…

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    Apr 25th 2022, 9:26 AM

    If there was a bit of dirt causing the number plate reader to record an 8 or 9 out of a 3 or perhaps a 7 out of a 1 there will be no actual photo of the car showing the make, model and colour of the vehicle so you could not dispute the alleged offence. Normally you are innocent until proven guilty. With this system you are guilty…full stop.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:37 AM

    Good grief, the amount of whinging here on this Monday morning. Don’t speed! I do a lot of motorway driving and get over 200km extra on a full tank by driving 95-100kmh on the motorways. It means an extra 10 to 15 mins on a drive from Dublin to Kilkenny but its worth it.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:56 AM

    @Paul Furey: no its not, an extra 16 minutes a day each way would be 24hrs extra a year (conservatively). That’s 3 working days you’re giving up per year. Over a lifetime you are losing 147 working days.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 12:40 PM

    @Anthony Guinnessy: what a waste of sums. Leave earlier.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 9:38 AM

    We know where they are hit cruise control at 118 kmph then away u go

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:04 AM

    @James Johnson: all cars are 4-5km overstated so 124 and you’d be doing 120

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    Apr 25th 2022, 10:06 AM

    Be warned if passing these at night they shine a light across the motorway that’s absolutely blinding

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    Apr 25th 2022, 11:21 AM

    Years and years behind…

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    Apr 25th 2022, 2:11 PM

    It’s a step in the right direction, but it’s too little too late considering these have been around for years in other countries. Motorways are built for speed. How many deaths actually occur on them? Meanwhile the technology exists to measure your speed wherever you go! Most runners have watches that give all sorts of statistics about your run. Put one of these on every car that reports safe driving back to a central server. Compliant people get a discount on their car insurance. The discount is paid for by the reduction in claims this will no doubt bring about. If you frame it as a bonus for being safe rather than a fine for speeding you’ll get much better buy-in.

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    Apr 25th 2022, 1:09 PM

    What about teleportation.?

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    Mute Kevin Murphy
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    Apr 25th 2022, 8:37 PM

    Why must everyone else slow down just because of a minority of people who can’t drive properly?

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    Apr 25th 2022, 5:32 PM

    I’m sure they’ll be really useful on the M50.

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    Apr 26th 2022, 2:31 AM

    What happens if you drive too slow, surely the concertina effect is equally the same as too fast but slightly more dangerous e.g overtaking.

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