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POLICE IN THE UK have banned two far-right groups and warned that membership of the nationalist organisations can now result in a 10 year prison sentence.
Head of the UK’s counter-terrorism unit Mark Rowley said that he welcomed new legislation making membership of Scottish Dawn and NS131 illegal.
Not only is membership of these groups now illegal, openly supporting these organisations is now also a criminal offence.
Rowley said: “We welcome today’s move, which will help us disrupt and tackle the growing threat from the extreme right-wing and make the UK a more hostile place for terrorists.
“Scottish Dawn and NS131 are aliases used by the banned extreme right-wing terrorist group National Action. Membership or encouraging support of these organisations will be a criminal offence, carrying a sentence of up to 10 years’ imprisonment.
“We remain committed to tackling all toxic ideologies which threaten the public’s safety and are just as determined to stop right-wing terrorism as we are Islamist attacks against the UK.
“Anyone with concerns about the activities of National Action, associated groups, or any other type of extremist activity, can contact the confidential hotline on 0800 789 321 or go to gov.uk/ACT.”
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They throw huge legal and police resources at the minuscule far right threat yet not a single person has been convicted of one of the thousands of cases of FGM committed in the UK. Imams still preach hate, the ideology of Islam is largely ignored by authorities even though at its core is the subjugation of non believers.
@Mike: What, wait it till the far right becomes a bigger threat, and results in more than an MP getting stabbed and shot dead or Muslim worshipers getting run over by a van.
@David Jordan: the recent rise of right wing parties and groups in Europe seems to me to be as a direct result of the migration crisis and the lefts failures on said crisis and related issues.
@David Jordan: Practically half of British muslims support extremists and your talking about a non existent threat. Don’t be moron. Get with it.
@Martin M: The late Jo Cox would disagree.
@Martin M: Half of British Muslims support extremists? I assume you have some solid facts to back that claim up?
@Mike: sushhhhhh, you might be called a racist or a bigot…
@Mike: In April 1999, David Copeland, a neo-Nazi, planted a series of nail bombs over 13 days, causing explosions in Brixton, Brick Lane (in east London), and Soho (in central London). His attacks, which were aimed at London’s black, Bangladeshi and gaycommunities, resulted in three dead and more than 100 injured. Copeland was a former member of two far right political groups, the British National Party (BNP) and the National Socialist Movement. Copeland told police, “My aim was political. It was to cause a racial war in this country. There’d be a backlash from the ethnic minorities, then all the white people will go out and vote BNP.”
@Mike: In July 2007, Robert Cottage, a former BNP member, was convicted for possessing explosive chemicals in his home – described by police at the time of his arrest as the largest amount of chemical explosive of its type ever found in that country. In June 2008, Martyn Gilleard, a British Nazi sympathizer, was jailed after police found nail bombs, bullets, swords, axes and knives in his flat. Also in 2008, Nathan Worrell was found guilty of possession of material for terrorist purposes and racially aggravated harassment. He was described by anti-terror police as a “dangerous individual”.
@Mike: The court heard that police found books and manuals containing “recipes” to make bombs and detonators using household items, such as weedkiller, at Worrell’s flat. In July 2009, Neil Lewington was planning on waging a terror campaign using weapons made from tennis balls and weedkiller against those he classified as “non British”.
@Mike: Members of Combat 18 (C18), a neo-Naziorganisation based on the concept of “leaderless resistance”, have been suspected in numerous deaths of immigrants, non-whites and other C18 members. Between 1998 and 2000, dozens of members were arrested. A group calling itself the Racial Volunteer Force split from C18 in 2002, retaining close links to its parent organization. Some journalists believed that the White Wolves were a C18 splinter group, alleging that the group had been set up by Del O’Connor, the former second-in-command of C18 and member of Skrewdriver Security.C18 attacks on immigrants continued through 2009. Weapons, ammunition and explosives were seized by police in the UK and almost every country in which C18 was active.
@David Jordan: There’s more than just leftists worried about a genuine far right reaction to mass Muslim migration and Islamic terrorism. Many people have pointed out the dangers but ignoring the problems and calling everyone who disagrees with the direction we are going a bigot makes the problem fester and grow. All we see from the authorities is appeasement towards the political Islamists in the West, this needs to stop or people will elect people who will make it stop. What kind of politicians we get if we leave it too late is anyone’s guess.
@Jimmy Roughneen: I’d list all the UK based Islamist terrorists here and the plots they had planned, but 30,000 names is too much to type.
@Ben Dawkins: Pew Research have polls that show 2/3 British Muslims would not report an Islamic terror plot to the police. 31% of young British Muslims think the 7/7 bombings were justified. Look it up, the data is not hard to find.
@Mike: Spot on. They are traitors to their country at this point.
@Ron North: A mosque is an extremist establishment. That would require shutting all down
@Ben Dawkins: If we talk about facts it’s hard to even define a Muslim so I’ll just say that the evidence suggests from polls conducted that vast amounts of muslims have extremist views. I presume you know what Islam is?
@Mike: They’re throwing examples of right wing terrorism Mike. Frightening stuff .
@Ben Dawkins: If we talk about facts it’s hard to even define a Muslim so I’ll just say that the evidence suggests from polls conducted that vast amounts of muslims have extremist views. I presume you know what Is lam is?
@Mike: Oh go on, just for the laugh, list all 30,000 names you claim to be UK based Islamist terrorists. If you have any evidence to support your ridiculous assertions, then call the police.
You are either mentally ill, paranoid delusional, or making it up as you go along, or both.
Yes because the most pressing matter now in the UK is “far-right extremist groups”. Not like theres bombs going off on trains and acid being thrown on people in London ha.
@Mark Mcloughlin: Pretty sure those two things you’ve mentioned are already illegal Mark.
@Mark Mcloughlin: One of their number DID kill a politician in broad daylight last year!
@Gavin Carton: Okay and two jihadis slaughtered Lee Rigby in the streets. So let’s call them even yeah?…
@Robert T Pooner: it’s not about getting even it’s about stamping out extremism on both sides.
@Deborah Behan: Islam and the far right are on the same side. Islam is about as far right as you can gets debs. It’s not about getting even. I’m addressing the constant use of the death of Jo Cox as if it is somehow comparable to the threat from Islam.
@Deborah Behan:
You can’t stamp out extremism by making thoughts illegal.
You stamp out extremism by winning the war in the open marketplace of ideas. By banning extremist views, you drive them underground and give them more ammunition by proving that you cannot win in the open forum.
@JIMBO BUCKLEY: At what point did I say they weren’t?
@Robert T Pooner: You don’t need to compare the types of violent extremism to eradicate it. My enemies enemy is not my friend.
@Thought for Food: “By banning extremist views, you drive them underground and give them more ammunition by proving that you cannot win in the open forum”
These neo-nazi organisations are already underground. They are not interested in debate.
Britain have their priorities all wrong. While Islamic extremism goes unchecked and it’s dead and injured continues to rise – the police focus on the miniscule threat from the far right and so-called “hate speech” which is more often than not just people speaking out the way I’m doing right now.
@Eamonn: A MP was murdered on the street in broad daylight by a man yelling “Britain First!”
@Eamonn: “While Islamic extremism goes unchecked…” This is blatantly untrue, do you believe your own lies? Security forces are combating that all the time with far more successes than failures.
“… so-called “hate speech” which is more often than not just people speaking out the way I’m doing right now.” Eh no, now I can see that you’re either deluded or extreme right yourself, indeed both, if you can dismiss it just like that.
@Eamonn: There are more than just a few hard line Muslim groups banned in the UK. Read the list of 2013 here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/612076/20170503_Proscription.pdf
Also consider that Britain has been involved in bombing ISIS for a good few years now.
@Neil Mcdonough: There seems to be a fair few closet right wing people on here , when I seen the headline I anticipated reading some of their comments , they haven’t disappointed , entitled to their views , but organising groups for the advancement of their racist ,sectarian , bigoted views , like their fellow travellers in loyalist groups in the north , nope , and if anyone thinks these groups should be legal look no further than the actions of these groups over the past decades , their current attacks on immigrant homes in ‘their” communities are now their thing ,
I have no problem with the banning of any extremist groups that promote hate and violence. The UK authorities should also start to be much more proactive in taking on and shutting down any mosque where extremism is preached or any individual involved. Same goes for online extremism.
@Avina Laaf: Clonskeagh Mosque has hosted preachers that support suicide bombings in Israel, the killing of gays & ex Muslims so if we were to close mosques that support extremism then the biggest mosque in Dublin would be closed. So much for the extremism is a only a tiny proportion brigade.
@Avina Laaf: A mosque is an extremist establishment. That would require shutting all down
@Martin M: Not all, but many more than many people will admit or know about
@AR Devine:
Totally agree.
@AR Devine:
I take it you support closing down the Protestant churches that support the Orange Order aswell Devine?
Or is there another rule for the British “good” bigots and homophobes?
Isn’t this a slippery slope. What’s to stop them banning political parties then?
@Liam Byrne: I a political party encourages the murder of its elected opponents then it should be banned.
@Ron North: Agreed. Islam is a political movement that has a very long history of killing opponents and dissenters. Should we ban it then? I think so too.
@Liam Byrne: You don’t need to ban political parties. You just need to make them dependent on state support and then withdraw state support if they don’t subscribe to a particular ideology.
Oh hang on, the EU already does that. Never mind.
@Robert T Pooner: There are two proscribed Islamic extremist organisations in the UK. So yes in for real existing extremist organisations but no in cases of imagined ones. Its also a no for things that happened a thousand years ago.
@Ron North: I’m talking about Islam as a whole. It is a political movement.
@Robert T Pooner: You must have missed the bit where I said “imagined”.
@Ron North: I thought I had just imagined it.
Yes because that’s your real problem in the UK… Extremists from the religion of peace should be target number one.
@Sean og S: Should all other extremists get a free pass because of the existence of Islamic extremists or do your sympathies only lie with Neo-Nazis?
@Ron North: Well you did it. You typed a comment that is so obviously disingenuous that nobody has bothered to respond… until now of course :-)
@Robert T Pooner: Or he made a point that only a fool would try to deny……..
@Larry Doyle: By our western value system i.e democracy , freedom of religion and equality , Islam is an extremist ideology , that’s a fact .
We are developing an Islamic problem of our own here , the journal is probably the only news outlet that didn’t print the story of the two Chechens living in the west of Ireland sending material to isis .
Toxic ideologies? I guess Islam is next to be banned then.
@Dj: the day its banned so should christian groups, after all every religion has extremist groups. Some christian groups see nothing wrong with murder or fire bombing buildings to get what they want, its happened in the states.
@Barry Somers: Islam is not a religion. It is a political and supremacist ideology. Like national socialism was back in the day.
@Robert T Pooner: You are comparing followers of Islam to Nazis! By that twisted logic the anti-Islam right wing hate groups must be communists !
@Larry Doyle: No. I’m comparing the ideologies. That is not the same as comparing the followers of the ideologies. Muslims are not a monolith, they are all individuals with varying views. I could say the same about the nazis. I’m sure not all members of the nazi party did not want to exterminate the Jews. I’m sure many did not even know it was happening. I’m talking about the average German citizen, not high ranking SS officers This is not a difficult concept to grasp, I don’t know why people like yourself have such trouble with it. Collectivist mindset I reckon.
@Larry Doyle:
There really isn’t that much difference between islamists and nazis. They’re both far-right supremacist groups who seek to subjugate other human beings who they perceive as being inferior, and are prepared to use violence to further that aim.
It’s not for nothing that the words ‘islamofascists’ and ‘islamo-nazis’ have come into use.
@Avina Laaf: #muhammadwasworsethanhitler
@Robert T Pooner: I am not surprised that you can’t understand why I have a problem with your moral relativism on the subject of there being only blame apportioned to Nazis at the very top. Himmler didn’t drop every can of Zyklon B into every “shower bloc” and Hess didn’t murder men , women and children in Belorussia etc etc.
@Larry Doyle: Was there a point to be found in your above comment? I couldn’t find one. Just meaningless waffle
@Robert T Pooner: Your inability to identify the point is unsurprising.
@Larry Doyle: Your inability to make a coherent point is unsurprising.
@Robert T Pooner: you are playing stupid, or not playing at it. What he said made sense.
The irony of this would be a bit Monty Python if it wasn’t so serious. I know nothing of these so called “far right hate groups” but it seems that any intellectual discussion of the problem of Islamification is now deemed dangerous and hate speech, whilst the Imams spout their poison and hate for the society outside of their own warped acidic barrel of bile and continue to encourage the twisting of young minds into slicing or blowing innocent people up. History will judge this time and the advocates of censorship very harshly, if that history is ever allowed to be written.
@Patrick J. O’Rourke: Calling for and supporting the murder of elected MPs is hardly ‘intellectual discussion’.
@Patrick J. O’Rourke: You say you “know nothing of these “far right groups”" but then use them as a comparison to attack others. How about you educate yourself about the groups that are the subject of this discussion first, then you can use that knowledge to advance your own narrow agenda with a little more credibility.
@Patrick J. O’Rourke:”I know nothing of these so called “far right hate groups””
Hmmm I wonder why that is.
Could it be that the most widely read newspaper in Britain is a extreme right wing paper itself?
Or when Jo Cox was murdered and her killer was sentenced they reported in on page 13?
It’s almost as if the majority of the press in the U.K have a right wing bias!
These people are right but they are in most cases the wrong class and go about it the completely wrong way. These people in general have seen their culture taken. All the pro emigration people rarely live among emigrates that take over a community, while they live in their bubble with there own kind and the odd emigrates who is open minded to both ways of life. They think multiculturalism is great.
Take London the majority of emigrates , yes I know where else they going to go, but the rich put them in working class areas were for years they had to deal with unemployment, cut backs etc…, yet the very same councils and governments who said no for years can help a these new comers.
These pro English came from very hard working families who made Britain, but were treated badly.
Then add emigrates who practice fgm , openly break human rights laws every day, groom children, who have no intention of integrating just want to create their own world in the UK.
All this just causes resentment, and these people cause of their class are all ready this like by most of their own. And like most who live there have tugs who just don’t care and put a bad slant on these groups. Doesn’t help.
Someone from the right class needs to step up and protect our culture like the emigrations do theirs.
What happened the Muslim group headed by anjem choudry when they walked through London calling for the death of well everyone really except themselves, nothing happened that’s what , they were protected by the very people who they wanted to kill , not banned not told to shut up, equal standards please , either they’re all banned or none of them
@Liam Doyle: what about the hundreds of extremists with him on those marches ?
@Donal O Cofaigh: Ironically Choudry was convicted of supporting a proscribed organisation, exactly what you are complaining about in your comment.
I take it you have no issue now.
@Ron North: Ron I have massive issue !Choudary is only the tip of the ice berg and a lot more influential than a few rag tag right groups , as I said previously where are the hundreds if not thousands of his supporters, walking the streets is where they are cursing the infidel, don’t kid yourself Ronnie!
@Donal O Cofaigh: What would make you happy then. His organisation has been banned, he has been imprisoned, anyone who is found to be a member of the organisation will be jailed. What solution do you propose,? And do you propose that the same solution be applied to members of the organisations discussed in the article above.
@Ron North: what Muslim organisation was banned??
Having read this article and the Wikipedia page, it’s still pretty vague to what they have actually done wrong. 10 years in prison for having a different opinion? Big brother is watching you
Interesting how many commenters here are showing sympathy and whataboutery deflection for toxic far right hate groups. I wonder why that is!
@Rochelle: Probably all from the same person
@Rochelle: Rochelle, do you ever get embarrassed by constantly making a fool out of yourself on The Journal? probably not.
@Robert T Pooner: A one man mob . . .
@Arnold Lane: Why is someone agreeing with banning extremist groups embarrassing? I think it’s brave to stand up to bigotry and extremism, wherever it originates, in Islam or the far right. Both opposing extremists feed off each other and are trying to drag Europe into the gutter, an cowardly statements like yours facilitates this descent.
@David Jordan: Ehhhhh did you read her comment?
“Interesting how many commenters here are showing sympathy”
Rochelle has a bit of a reputation for saying stupid shit on the Journal!
@Neil Mcdonough: That’s sexist. Women are just as capable of being mobs.
@Arnold Lane: Are those “stupid” comments also condemnation of hate groups and bigotry?
@Rochelle: What are you talking about? You falsely accused commenters of sympathizing with “far right hate groups”. You’re just another of the perpetually offended, seeking out offense where there is none.
@Arnold Lane: I don’t think it’s false at all. If you’re spending this comment section deflecting by discussing Islam or insulting commenters who agree with the action then you’re clearly sympathetic with the far right and feel outlawing neo-nazi groups to be injust.
Answer this then Arnold, how do you feel about neo-nazi and white supremacist groups? Do you condemn them?
@Liam Doyle: No surprise you’d say that as someone who believes “Germany should be proud of Nazi veterans”
http://www.thejournal.ie/in-fighting-germany-afd-3614469-Sep2017/
@Rochelle: So is that what you are trying to insinuate here Rochelle that I somehow have right wing leanings for pointing out your false accusations and stupidity? I’ll repeat again nobody made any comments even remotely indicating they supported right wing hate groups, not one person.
That’s the sort of disingenuous behaviour I’ve come to expect from the leftie PC fascists like yourself.
@Arnold Lane: It’s blatantly clear you do have right wing leanings, so I was correct to infer from your defence of hate groups.
@Rochelle:
Banning far right groups IS unjust. Banning any ideology because you disagree with their message is a prime example of injustice.
You’re absolutely free to disagree with them. I despise their views just as much as I do every other extremist position. I still have the common sense to understand that banning them doesn’t make them go away and instead only feeds their narrative.
@Rochelle: I have right wing leanings because I called out on making up false accusations? What defense of hate groups did I make, where did I defend anybody? It’s only blatantly clear to you because as we’ve established already from the very start that you are an idiot with a reputation of being an idiot.
So run along there leftie PC fascist and find something else you can get offended over without actually knowing what it is that is offending in the first place.
@Liam Doyle: The commenters who are deflecting and compiling about this ate the same commenters who will throw fits an articles about race, immigration, women’s rights, lgbt, and anything to do with condemning Nazi groups. You would want to be very naive to think the are anything but the extreme right (and that’s being kind).
@Rochelle:
If you perceive yourself as left wing does that automatically mean you support the genocides carried out by extreme left-wing groups like the Khmer Rouge?
Do you see how stupid your argument sounds now?
@Arnold Lane: It’s funny you claim offence at having your political spectrum position presumed when you’re happy to label me a “leftie PC fascist”
I’m not offended at anything by the way, I believe the UK have taken a sensible decision here and I’m commending them for that. This is a good news article, don’t you agree or are you feeling offended yourself?
@Avina Laaf: I’m not presuming anything about Liam Doyle, he has literally said German people should be proud of those who served as a Nazi. That’s an actual quote in the link provided, I’m not creating a false association.
@Rochelle: “Interesting how many commenters here are showing sympathy and whataboutery deflection for toxic far right hate groups.”
Jesus christ you are dumb, ok simple steps : Please show evidence where one or more commentators sympathized with far right hate groups on this very thread?
Secondly I don’t have a political position on either the right or the left, you are both dishonest,self serving, fascist s(um as far as I’m concerned.
Thirdly : You sound like Paul Murphy and you were one of the many people that screamed “racist” and “Islamophobe” at people for just expressing a viewpoint that was contrary to your own. You claim you’re not a leftie PC fascist, well I’ve got news for you.
Fourthly: I’m not offended. Why would I be offended, I’ve just proved you’re a lying, shit stirrer, I’m quite happy with how it turned out.
@Rochelle: I have no idea what your skin colour is or what religion you are , that makes no difference in Islam (allegedly) , but I assume you are a female , that makes a big difference in islam , and demotes you to half the worth of a male , forces you to cover up in public and requires that you seek the permission of a male family member to have an education , leave the house and choose someone to marry .
So it might be advisable to envisage the type of existence a female will face under an islamic system .
As a non believer of Islam or any religion , I know what my fate would be , which is why I will always talk out against Islam .
@Rochelle: useless idiots like you are part of the problem.
@Robert T Pooner: That’s exactly what I was thinking. Many of the right wingers are logged in with multiple aliases. You, for example, sound very similar to AR Devine.
@Rochelle: don’t forget to wear your hijab
Scottish Dawn…sounds like a nice Whiskey.
If Jo Cox had not been tragically murdered by a lunatic, what single instance would the commenters on here be using to distract from the overwhelmingly most serious threat to British society? Anyone else got any examples? I’d love to see a side by side comparison of the consequences from Islam and the other far right groups mentioned here. I suspect the list would be extremely unbalanced.
@Robert T Pooner: Ahhh . . . It’s Matty, Ken/Paddy Hayden, etc, etc . . . We’re talking about right-wing extremists here in case you haven’t noticed. But you can always be counted on to bring islam into the thread as the ‘greatest threat to mankind’ ever . . .
Note that you don’t say ‘radical’ or ‘extreme’ islam, no, you just say islam. “… comparison of the consequences from Islam and the other far right groups …” You advocate for the freedom of speech of the far-right, but want to ban muslims from the west. Well sir, only the deluded and weak-minded feel threatened by islam, the far-right however, well we have history there . . .
@Liam Doyle: “Worries me that western education systems are producing young adults of such poor critical thinking skills, …” Oh the irony . . .
@Neil Mcdonough: You are either an idiot or a troll. Probably both. Good day to you.
@Liam Doyle: Has islam practically destroyed Europe in the past? Answer: no. Has the far-right? Answer: yes. You refer to critical thinking but you don’t know what it is. You and your far-right cohorts are on here every day attacking a minority, claiming that we are existentially threatened by a group that makes up 6% of the population, who are going to outbreed us and introduce sharia law. You call that critical thinking? Jeez . . .
@Robert T Pooner: Says Matty multiple accounts . . .
@Neil Mcdonough: Are ex Muslims, many of them loyal citizens of western countries after being given asylum here ‘deluded’ & ‘weak minded’ because they feel threatened by Islam having fled one of the majority Muslim countries almost all of which persecute, imprison or kill ex Muslims. Of course, not all Muslims support this, secular Muslims oppose it, but a majority around the world support persecution of ex Muslims according to Pew Research.
http://quillette.com/2016/10/14/fleeing-theocracy-an-asylum-seekers-defence-of-the-west/
@Liam Doyle: I know the score on this site ‘Liam’, but what are you dribbling on about? You got no counter-point yeah?
If you want to ignore the world wars and hark back to an ancient invasion which, however far it got, did not destroy Europe, that’s your business. I prefer to stick with living memory . . .
@Neil Mcdonough: Please tell me, what is bringing you to the conclusion that I am a guy called matty, with multiple accounts? What makes you say that? Genuine question. Please answer it.
All extremism, far-left or far-right is dangerous. Extremism isn’t just present on the Right.
In my experience, it’s the far-Left (anarchists, PBP, AAA/Solidarity, Eirigi, SWP, Socialist Party, Communist Party of Ireland, Irish Communist Party, Party of Irish Communists and countless “Solidarity Movements”) that are more likely to cause violence or spew hatred in Ireland. There’s no militant Right in Ireland.
Britain has become a multi cultural society ,This does not happen without social ,economic and political problems .when one considers the changes that have taken place since the end of the second world war ,they have been immense .I lived there ,i seen it transform before my very eyes ,small suburbs changing in social and ethnic mix over night .extreme right views are nothing we should be surprised about ,its beginning to happen in ireland .This action by the government will not prevent those views ,but they had to be seen to be doing something .times they are a changing and it has been to suit the western capital model ,cheap labour ,more competition in the market place and ultimately a worried working white class .
@Anthony Gallagher: “… it has been to suit the western capital model ,cheap labour ,more competition in the market place and ultimately a worried working white class .” I agree totally. But idiots here will call it a left-wing conspiracy, become more right-wing, and instead of tackling the root causes, play the game of setting those at the bottom of the pile against each other. Stupid beyond stupid . . .
The murder of Jo Cox MP has demonstrated that far right groups have the potential for serious political violence if unchecked. Stopping these extreme hate groups before they haunt rraction and a degree of acceptance is a sensible measure. The police are not banning these groups out of a duslike but out of a justified apprehension of dangerous ideologies which will lead to hate crimes against minority groups.
Had the Nazi Party in Germany been banned at the start, its later domination of Germany with immensely evil consequence could have been avoided.
@Fiona deFreyne: There was a name for those who gave tacit support to these type of far right populists – appeasers.
@Liam Doyle: Coming out in favour of the decriminalisation of heroin is a pretty spectacular piece of deflection even for you.
@Liam Doyle: Is personal abuse in the form of a question is still abuse ?
@Liam Doyle: You opinion of my honesty doesn’t really interest me but it does expose the weakness of any point you are attempting to make when you turn to an unsubstantiated attack on another commentator rather than rational debate. Those who throw dirt lose ground.
@Larry Doyle: *Your opinion……..*
It is quite illuminating that you believe that the use of words such as “unsubstantiated” are signs of dishonesty.
If I, as you accused me of, used the word “unsubstantiated” to make myself appear intelligent wouldn’t that, by your logic be dishonest ? Therefore use of the word “unsubstantiated” by me according to your rules is dishonest. I however offer no opinion on your honesty, intelligence, decorum, pomposity, argumentativeness, thin skin, rigidity, lack of empathy, self righteousness, …….oh time to go home……this was fun Liam, have a good weekend.
@Fiona deFreyne:
You cannot change ideologies by silencing them and pushing them under ground. We need to confront this mindset and change it from within. Oppressing these groups will only bolster their support. May be that’s what the British government really wants?
Ni group should be banned for having far right views. If they are directly linked to violence, then yes action should be taken.
The far left and far right are really rising now. We have the trots here who are all on for ruining democracy.
Free speech for everyone right and left. Open debate must be used and not censorship.
@Daniel Donovan:
Open debate is fine, promoting hate and violence isn’t, no matter who is doing it.
So…when are they raiding parliament?
Sure crackdown on any vile Neo Nazi groups promoting violence towards citizens from ethnic minority backgrounds. I fully support that.
At the same time Clonskeagh Mosque has hosted preachers that support suicide bombings in Israel, the killing of gays & ex Muslims so if we were to close mosques that support extremism then the biggest mosque in Dublin would be shut down.
So SNP next then!
Question to the author, did theUK police really say that membership of a nationalist organisation could lead to 10 years in peison, or did they say membership of a far right extremist group. There’s a big difference.
Spot on. They should be banning the extremist groups of both the left and the right as soon as they emerge.
Old news.
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This is only the start of a severe clamp down on anyone who disagrees with the liberal communist agenda of western shadow government. The British have hundreds of years of experience of shutting down discerning voices all over the world. Nothing new here. Same circus just different clowns!
@Eamonn: Ha! What do you know about the police investigations into terrorism? If the threat is severe then how are the priorities all wrong? Hate speech? Nonsense speech from you, sir. Wait until you get threatened and abused in the street by angry people from another culture before talking about hate speech. Don’t forget Daesh were miniscule once.
How dare anyone disagree with the so-called PC establishment looks like we’re heading into dictatorship yet again history repeats it’s self
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