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SINN FÉIN WILL debate a motion calling on members to pay more respect to the national flag, when the party meets this weekend for its Ard Fheis.
The agenda for the two day meeting was launched this afternoon.
Some 2,000 delegates are expected at the event, in Derry – where guests for the weekend will include members of Greece’s ruling Syriza party and the Palestinian ambassador.
Sinn Féin / TwitterLaunching the Clár for Sinn Féin Ard Fheis 2015 today, you can download it here: http://t.co/O5chSvopYg #SFAF2015 pic.twitter.com/78pZkNtmC6
— Sinn Féin (@sinnfeinireland) March 3, 2015
Amongst the motions to be debated, is the following, from the Piarais McCan Cumann, Tipperary:
This Ard Fheis proposes that our national flag should be shown due respect and not be thrown around by the party’s elected representatives and their supporters.
Labour TD Arthur Spring (who may well have spent the afternoon poring over the list of motions – we couldn’t reach him by phone this evening) said in a press release that it was a “long overdue display of maturity”.
A spokesperson for Sinn Féin said the motion would be discussed in the same manner as the rest of the proposals before the Ard Fheis.
You can read the full list of motions here.
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Why do the need to debate this ? Plain and simple .. Don’t disrespect our National Flag.. Whatever the cause .
“They” —
That includes writing slogans on it for sports, using it as a scarf and taking it out of your pocket during election results.
There’ll be plenty of flags at the Right2water protest on 21 march
Well this is embarrassing – a small SF demo with less then 10 people and 5 Irish flags on display. # down with this sort of thing
Bazalini – you looked so well in the photo – holding the flag !!!!
Actually Baz was on the other side of the street holding a fine gael counter protest, they had EU flags and placards saying “yes to banker bailouts” and “cuts not jobs”.
(You’ll not report me for this harmless joke will you Bazza?)
There is a protocol on the dept. of the Taoiseach’s website that sets out fully what is and is not appropriate to do with the flag. It would be great if everyone who owns a flag was familiar with it.
If you want to know about our flag and show it respect maybe you should down to Waterford this weekend. http://www.1848tricolour.com/
Good to see you’ve calmed the F**k down dermot; )
Well this is embarrassing, a small fine gael demo with only a few flags flying….one touching the ground.
There is no fly touching the ground. #specsavers
Flag
#specsavers
Bazalini – how do you know ? Were you at that recent Blueshirt gathering ?
Balzalini, I am still waiting for you from another thread to name one, just one of Martin McGuinness’ peers that derided him for being a fan of cricket. You have had several days now to think one up. Instead of cheering on an Irish team or celebrating the unifying power of sport, you wasted the opportunity to have a totally unfounded go at a politician. Real classy, very sportsman like.
More like there is something touching cloth there by the stench.
Edna respects the flag no doubt, it is the people of Ireland he disrespects.
Who’s afraid of Sinn Fein – Protestants that’s who ! I wonder if they are involved in H.SB.C. or NAMA or the Upper Civil Service and media because the vilification of Sinn Fein is deeply rooted but not Ian Paisley funnily enough when he used to broadcast from Montrose !
Just an historical observance – Is Wee Willie coming down to give the Fine Gael backbenchers the National Emergency that they are reported to be talking about ?
The Shatter Callinan axis of democratic government was a great loss to the back benchers. They would have so loved a national emergency. The loss big Phil also weakens the national emergency strategy. Still willy will do alll he can, Edna and Willie can babble in Ulster Scots as they plot the return to the father land.
And sure John Bruton the great Historian and former Taoiseach who wanted to tax children’s shoes was head of the I.F.S.C. – wasn’t Goldman Sachs and others in there doin’ the do …
Phil Hogan ordered out the County Council workers to collect the property charge door to door !
Power gone to the head of the beast ?
@renmajor. Bertie & Big Ian being 2, but there is an article on the SF bible An poblacht which also pokes a jeeb at him.
Sorry didn’t see ur post. Hope that helps
The offending piece
Plenty of defaced flags at football matches being used to advertise pubs etc.
Wind your neck in Hermes, just why have you felt the need to barb protestants? Paisley not vilified? Where and when was he ever not vilified in full until he and Sinn Fein became bedfellows?
Its a flag, I would prefer if political parties had more respect for what it stands for rather then the flag itself.
I guarantee to everybody that most of the rent a mob crowd out there don’t even understand what the green white and orange of our national flag represents.
Ireland, peace and unionists.
It literally means “Peace between Catholics and Protestants” I wonder if many from the Protestant faith know that?
David nope! Try again
Ian Walsh, are you saying Irish Protestants are less Irish? Some of our greatest Irishmen and women were of the Protestant faith.
Willie Fraser must be having a right ould chuckle at this
Henry joy Mcracken ,Robert Emmet . Theobald Wolf tone etc etc who started the society of united Irishmen to free Ireland from british occupation you are so right Jason it would be good if some people could read some history.
It didn’t come with an instruction manual but as there were Catholics on the side of William of Orange and Protestants amongst the United Irishmen and Young Irelanders the most coherent meaning for it is reconciliation between Royalists and Republicans.
The Green- Nationalist/Republican
The Orange- Unionist/Loyalist
The White- Peace between them.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with religion. Comments like that are a by-product of mis-information & propaganda peddled by various governments on both British & Irish sides to shift the real cause of the problem.
Davy Tweed for example.
There’s only one place for our national flag and that’s on a flagpole.
Hmmm so our armed forces will need it removed from their uniforms then??
At least we don’t have trousers in the flag unlike our neighbours who abuse the ‘Union Jack’ in that way but I suppose that flag and abuse go hand in hand.
I like Union Jack boxers, but only ones with skites on them.
Its actually the Union Flag when used on land. The Union Jack is used at sea.
Don’t be jealous that they have much more original and attractive flag.
No its not, this has been cleared up before
Gordon we prefer our flags less blood soaked here.
Much more Irish blood was spilled in defence of the Union Flag than the Tricolour.
The United Kingdom has been much kinder and fairer to Irish citizens than the Irish Republic has overall.
So in that case, feck the EU and rejoin the Union. Rule Britannia.
The Union Jack is not a flag, it’s a butchers apron
Stick your fleg up your kyber pass.
The Tricolour is the flag that divided the Ireland.
I would say “fleg” ever. Dublin born and raised, from a proud Anglo-Irish background.
Mostly conscripted, shanghaied or plain starved into British forces. Britian has been kinder have you ever heard of Cromwell, red leg slavery, penal laws, transportation to OZ, an Gort Mor, suppression and persecution of all things Irish. You have really got to be a FG/CnaG revisionist.
Can’t get more disrespectful than draping it across the coffins of dead terrorists
If it wasn’t for your so called “terrorists” we wouldn’t have the flag in the first place.
Quite a few of them were dead paedophile terrorists.
Connolly, Pearse, Collins and the likes? Wow, you’ve an extensive knowledge of Irish history
Todd, in case you need any reminding – it was dead nonces like this I was talking about.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-lined-streets-joe-cahills-4466816
Adams described this disgusting freak as “a true friend”.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-spies-recruited-paedo-ira-4466798
I would question your sources and their narrative to say the least. I was clearly talking about the “terrorists” of the founding of our state. But sure spin the conversation however you do choose
You’re the one who started mentioning Connolly, etc., – not me.
Are you inferring Connolly was a Paedophile? Is it not true that Connolly died in the interests of the Irish people, to free them from oppression? Which in turn led to the creation of the tricolour? His book makes a good read. But there’s no pictures so it might not be to your liking
No. As you already know, I didn’t infer that at all.
Pauric – Haven’t seen it over SAS coffins – have you ?
Seeing as you seem to cite absolute fact in your comments below, I’ll take your word for it. So wise
Any man who dies for Irish freedom deserves to have the tricolour draped on their coffin.
Todd the Irish Tricolor goes back to 184? Or other so it was around in 1916 , but not generally used
It sickens me to see some Sinn Fein supports throwing the Irish flag around at protests and election events. I mean they don’t even recognise the State which the flag represents.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/03/article-1217569-06AF224C000005DC-181_468x313.jpg
Pat Cox, life long SF/IRA with his army of republican protestors.
The Tricolour represents a Republican Ireland, where Nationalist and Unionist freely live side by side in peace and enjoy parity of esteem. Liberty, fraternity, equality. The 26 is not the Republic. An Irishman from Antrim is every bit as entitled to cherish the Tricolour as one from Kerry.
Blaine….did the picture I put up also disgust you?
No fear of the tricolor seen at a FG election celebration anyway, half of them like Heather Humphreys and John Bruton are closet unionists anyway. By the way the flag represents all of Ireland, not just this state, but of course a little blueshirt like yourself would ignore such a fact!
Typical FG you just can’t help yourselves , you all have no sense of self awareness , you’re all slogans and 5 point plans with nothing behind them or loyalty to the people , you’ve done your damage now we will damage you .
Blaine any comment on the latest crony appointments that your nepotism riddled party have made, this time with a third of all new judge appointments being dye in the wool blueshirts?
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/a-third-of-nominated-judges-are-linked-to-fine-gael-26831846.html
Here PJM – say nothing about the SF ombudsman & AG up in Belfast. Jamie Bryson will be having a canary
A little fact for you. Sinn Fein played no part in the 1916 Rising, the establishment of Irish State, or the transition from Free State into the Republic of Ireland. Therefore they have no right to claim the flag of the Republic of Ireland and it’s people.
When their public representatives have the respect to call this country the Republic of Ireland and not the 26 counties, my attitude may change.
Blaine….I put a picture up of Pat Cox and his cohorts waving our flag around after we were cajoled into surrendering more sovereignty.
Do you find it disgusting?
Blaine – You are like a long playing record repeating over and over this obvious fact of History .
Have you a real point to make ?
The Republic was formally declared ( as a 26 County State ), 25 years after the Civil War finished !
We are not as yet a United Island / Ireland .
That may , or may not come about in our lifetime . But at least now , it’s inevitable .
The fact that we have now a truly 32 County Political Party , widely established again , is a hugely positive sign of our times – uniting the hearts and minds of the people of our whole Island of Ireland.
Good times ahead , Blaine !
A little fact for you, this country has 32 counties.
island has 32 counties and two very distinct countries. that is the way it shall remain for eternity and that suits everyone fine
Lol or 33 counties if ye count Boston
Everyone has their own take on the flag, or flags in general. People will either respect the flag or they won’t, you can’t demand people behave in a certain way.
When our government decided to lower the flag as a mark of respect for the late Saudi King, they disrespected it.
The tacky plastic tricolour hoodies by that group of water protestors was a step too far. Were they shinners or AAA ?
Lot of shinners on here didn’t even know there is protocol surrounding the Flag. Sad times
Davey Keogh says hello.
Who is Davey Keogh? And why does he say hello ?
Will the Greeks be discussing how they epically failed in Europe on getting 50% of debit gone!
I have seen the way shinners abuse the flag at election counts, disgusting! About time they called on their supporters to treat it with respect.
Going to have to give you a warning there. You are not allowed to disgusted at SF supporters in here. Their multiple aliases will be along to red thumb you to F**k shortly
Bazalini I wouldn’t worry about that, sure didn’t I get blocked from Martin Ferris’s page the other day for having the temerity to compare SF with Syriza and fairy tale economics. Not that I can blame Martin; the PR guru for him doesn’t like dissent even democracy takes a hiding.
Facebook Page I mean.
Waving the flag at election and referendum results is disgusting, you’re right.
Report anyone else today bazanini?
You’re some boy to talk about multiple aliases…
I agree that was a mistake to disrespect the flag at the referendum result.
Proinsais I didn’t see you on the Ireland rugby match reports at the weekend complaining about the Irish flag been waved around. i wonder why, oh yeah you can’t have a dig at SF, you are a sad hypocrite!
SF misuse the flag for political purposes. They purport to be more Irish and patriotic than everyone else, when the reality is the opposite.
Proinsias – I’ve seen your Party abuse it too – but mostly the Party that you are a Member of itself – You have disgraced your voters and The Irish Nation , by your sell outs and Election lies !
Proinsias The same man who told us all on The Journal.ie , that there were only a “few hundred” at a huge IW March in Tralee, some months ago and has yet to apologise to us all, for his huge porky pie then ?
IPhone Joan and Rabbitte attract some beauties around them .
Eddie I have told you on numerous occasions that I’m not a member of any party. Secondly I passed by the march you of which you accuse me of understating the numbers and I was generous in my estimate of 200, you have offered no evidence (other than I spoke to a Garda, perhaps you did) of the numbers attending the March, the local papers of that week did not give numbers either but all of them stated that the attendance was substantially less than the previous one.
Proinsias – All of the News most certainly DID give the the numbers attending – both online and the printed versions , Radio Kerry also commented.
But you argued til midnight sticking to your 200 – like a spoilt child !
How do you react to a further fact that there were 242 seated Delegates at your Leader iPhone Joans address to her Party & The Nation on Saturday night in The INEC Centre in Killarney . While nearly a 1,000 Marched to there protesting her presence in Killarney .
Why ? Are you suddenly denying your support for The Labour Party ?
Have you seen the light at last – or are you still in denial ?
Eddie, how come you have not posted any links to the numbers attending the March, if they’re online they should still be available. I can only go with what I saw with my own eyes which I generously estimate to be 200.
I am totally indifferent as to the numbers that watched the Labour leaders speech, I didn’t watch it myself!
As for the 1,000 you state were outside the INEC protesting that is only one tenth of what was estimated to attend. Also I just googled INEC protest and 2 figures appear the IT says 500 and the Journal shows 300!
As for denial the only thing I deny is being a member of any party.
Proinsias – So you are denying that you are a SUPPORTER of The Labour Party too – that was my Question ?
I am not a member of or cheerleader for any party! However that does not being in favour of some of their policies. I like some FF, FG, Labour and perhaps even some SF policies.
Proinsias, Syriza is very different to SF both in structure, organisation and to a degree in policy. Most of what you hear about them in Ireland or indeed Britain is half baked, inaccurate or downright lies. What they have in common with SF is they are both broadly on the left and they both attract voters that feel betrayed by established parties who they feel are making them pay for debt they never benefited from. If Syriza fail, have no doubt we will see the rise of fascism in Greece & it will not stop there. Maybe you would welcome that but I don’t.
Proinsias – great to hear that you are at last breaking out of your Labour Party straight jacketed bias – I don’t blame you – they have disgraced themselves and most of all, The Party of Connolly and Larkin .
Well done .
This is great.
After years of Sinn Féin/IRA hijacking the Tricolour at the funerals of dirty $cumbag terrorists, they’re starting to think about showing the flag some respect.
A good news story.
Now all they need to do is get Adams and McGuinness to retire and we can really start to take Sinn Féin seriously as a truthful and forward-thinking party.
Adams won’t be pushed out until after the 2016 gig so it’ll be another while yet..
When they talk about the national in Derry, Northern Ireland, which one are they referring to? The tricolour or the flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
Kerryman and ‘were jamming’ are going to have exploding heads…
They were talking about the Irish flag, you should read the piece before commenting.Q
They’re busy recharging their laptops in an Insomnia after a busy day on the Journal grinding out their message of hate, hope and free honey for all.
Dermot, where? Article says a national flag? Not country specific.
Sf’s ard fheis story with a picture of a tricolour and they’re discussing a national flag…..I’m not republican but I’m fairly certain it’s not the union flag they’re worried about.
As the Ard fheis is an all ireland event, im going to come to the conclusion it’s the irish tricolour they refer to.
The event is been held in Great Britain though..
Don’t mind the Russian troll boys.
It’s not being held in Great Britain, see if you can figure out why, there’s a good chap.
Held in co.Derry which is in northern Ireland which is part of the UK, not part of great Britain.
Derry, which is not in the republic.
Did you eat a map for tea?
Dziadek – Ce he Kerryman ?
Dziadak – Se Seachtain Na Gaeilge – ta an Ard Fheis Sinn Fein i nDaoire , ins na se Contae , an bliain seo !
An bhuil tu ag dul , tu fein … A Chara ?
Ni hea. Ni Maith liom Sinn Fein.
Why the red thumbs? This is a statement of fact!
*Doire
SF hold their meeting in londonderry says it all really
Its Derry eejit not fekin London any think
The flag is hollow without our own currency. What does it mean anymore when we sold our independence so cheaply. Those who have died for the flag and independence may as well not have bothered as we are lambs not lions.
Good aul Shinners, focusing on the big issues of the day. I look forward to the day they learn how to use a calculator and can bring some ideas on clearly less pressing issues like the country’s finances, health system etc to their little gatherings
Like fg ff lab pd gr , have enlightened us and freed our country and made it prosper since independence , oil gone , gas gone , fishing gone , nice try with water ,we are taking care of the water issue thats out of your control now .
However praise where praise is due theres one thing all these septic parties excell at and that is exporting our young people.
Shame on the supporters of these parties that have sold us out for decades for the scraps from the table of the EU .
And you seriously think Sinn Fein would do a better job, who are you kidding? They don’t have the mentality for power.
The flag is symbolic. Like an idea it is immortal.
Neither the desecration or destruction can take away it’s true meaning.
I don’t care what someone does with a piece of cloth that they own – it is their right to so with it as they please.
Sounds a lot like “We don’t like that flag at all, so we’ll tell you when and where to display it, so we can pretend to respect it”.
This is the real sinn fein, who don’t give a hoot about Ireland, republicans or any sense of nationalism.
They want to remove any symbol that makes them stand out from the other parties i.e. lab/FF/FG/’FFG’, so the sheep will vote them into power.
Probably, but didn’t fine gael say they were going to reclaim the flag from those protesting, it’s not theirs to “reclaim” no more than it’s sf’s to claim.
Wrap the green flag round me boys.
I don’t understand why this is an issue..
Sinn Fein spending some time debating the real issues…..
Syriza? Good. Let the Shinners be associated with failure. It’ll remind people of who not to vote for next year. As Suriza falls apart over the summer it’ll go really bad for the Shinners to be associated with them. Fine with me.
Suriza?
I’ve been pronouncing it chorizo.
Call them what you like. They’re going to crash and burn in the summer and the Shinners would do well to stay the hell away from them. They are politically toxic and the fractures are beginning to show already. SF should have nothing to do with them if they have any sense. But it appears they don’t.
Proinsias im wit u as i have never seen FF/FG/lab supporters waving d flag
The tricolor was designed by a Waterford man, Thomas Francis Meagher. Pity it took well over 160 odd years for his city to recognise that.
Derek wash your hands before you type any more comments plus did your mother leave your dinner outside your bedroom door for you
Smalls ur a big man calling them those names hiding behind ur screen. Wud u hav d balls 2 say ur comments 2 fellas face 2 face
No. Because I’d be knee-capped. Duh.
So ur a big brave man in ur bedroom posting comments like dat
Up offaly :-)
Smalls the IRA are no longer
Smalls just remember theres always ways of tracking things
Is that a threat from yourself or the IRA?
Just curious?
Great to see that such pressing issues are at the forefront of political discussions, never mind that our rights as citizens have been trampled on through bailing out banks and charge after charge to pay for it, and cutbacks meaning your grandmother gets to spend days on a trolley. O no the main thing they want us to focus on is the flag. If anything thay have disrespected our flag by allowing it to be associated with crass mismanagement of Ireland.
Seriously!!!! Who cares wants done with it. Care about the people of the country not flipping logo (which is all it is).
It’s against the Law to desecrate the National Flag
Jaysus, leave the flag as it is. No need for protection, it’s a flag. A piece of cloth. In the republic it’s never abused in a vindictive fashion. Sure yobs and whatnot might drape themselves in it, but for them its a symbol of their heritage no matter how misguidedly they use it.
If you start entrenching so much symbolism in a piece of cloth, you start dealing with the bullshit flag issues that ensue.
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