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February, Easter, May? UK results ratchet up Irish election talk but Leo says it's not the right time

Leo Varadkar says the election should be May 2020, Micheál Martin wants it in Easter. Who will win out?

DOES THE UK election results pave the way for an early general election here in Ireland?

With Boris Johnson winning a thumping majority in Westminster, the UK is on its way to formally leave the EU.

First it requires Johnson to get the House of Commons approval for the withdrawal agreement, but it’s widely anticipated that it will pass by 31 January.

With the uncertainty around the withdrawal agreement lifted, it could pave the way for an early election here, with some floating the idea of February or March. 

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar is on the record as stating that he wants the election to be held in May 2020.

Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin has said Easter time would be the “natural” end to this government. 

But who will win out? 

When asked about the possibility of an early election today in Brussels, Varadkar said: 

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves a little bit there first of all we want to see the withdrawal agreement ratified so that we can have that orderly Brexit. And secondly, I think there really has to be a focus between now and 13 Jan on Northern Ireland and getting the Assembly and Executive back up and running. That is going to be the focus.
I have always said that the election, if it’s my choice, it may not be my choice, but if it is my choice, the election would happen at the right time for the country. That’s still not yet.

What does Martin want?

He’s keen to pin down an exact date for the general election, but said it should be after Easter, which is 12 April. 

“We need clarity and we need certainty now,” said Martin, when speaking on RTÉ’s News at One today.

He said there was a lot of work to be done in the Spring session of the Dáil, and a lot of legislation that needs to get over the line. 

“Easter for me is the natural cut off point for this Dáil,” he stated. Martin said Fianna Fáil has given this government stability, but that a change of government is needed.  

He called for an “orderly wind down”, adding: “I haven’t played games with this, I am not trying to catch anyone.”

Name the date

Martin called for certainty around the date of the next general election, stating:

“There will be an election, it should happen, and it should be Easter.”

So that’s what the political party leaders are saying publically. But what is going on behind the scenes?

Since the confidence motion in Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy was defeated by a slim margin of Fine Gaelers, and the cobbling together of a few independents, there has been a distinct feeling that it is the end of days for this government.

The shaky Dáil numbers means that should another motion of no confidence come in the new year, this time perhaps against the Health Minister Simon Harris or another minister, will the government have the numbers?

While a confidence motion being lost is not an automatic election bell, a government spokesperson has said that it is a “proxy vote” for the government, and if lost, this Dáil would no longer be operational.

One minster told this publication that with a clear majority in Westminster, a Brexit deal is all but done. 

After Christmas

“He [Leo Varadkar] might be minded to not even return after Christmas. He might come back on the 16 January and just call it there and then,” they said. 

Brexit has been the reason given by both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil for delaying an election, and the main reason for the extension of the confidence and supply arrangement. With complications with it greatly reduced, there’s not much blocking the way, said the minister. 

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They described the atmosphere in Leinster House and government, as “dead”, adding that people are “jaded” and ready to start knocking on the doors. 

“We were ready last year sure, and we were ready last month too” they said, adding that there is just the dregs of legislation left to get passed.

While that minister thought Varadkar might cut and run sooner rather than later, another minister said “Leo keeps his cards close to his chest, as everyone knows”.

The case of the Murphys 

However, they said that the Taoiseach is acutely aware that the government has been getting a hammering in recent weeks with the big loss in the by-elections, not to mention all the Murphy cases – Verona Murphy, Eoghan Murphy and Dara Murphy.

And then there is the Maria Bailey case, which as one TD said has left a stench around the party. 

Throw in the rising homeless numbers, the housing crisis, record numbers on trolleys as well as the impact of insurance costs, it hasn’t been a great few weeks. 

“He’s behind, he’s had a few bad weeks and he knows it, and I think he knows he needs a few weeks to build himself back up,” said the minister, who believes a date past February, closer to April is more likely. 

“I know some are saying that they don’t think he will come back after Christmas, but its his intention to come back. He does intend to come back,” they added. 

“He has had a bad few weeks, so I think he’d be avoiding an election at this point. It is difficult, as the opposition are competing to put down no confidence motions,” said the minister who acknowledged that this could take the choice of when the next election will be away from Varadkar. 

“There could be a motion in any of us, something, anything can arise between now and then that would get a minister in trouble. One of us is bound to have a bad story or mess up, and then we will have to see,” they added. 

“But I think he [Varadkar] will be making efforts to avoid it [an election]. I think he will sit on his hands for now,” they said. 

November election a missed opportunity 

Sources within Fine Gael feel the Taoiseach might have missed a beat by not calling an election in November. There was a push by some members of the party for an election at the time, though more senior figures have denied their involvement. 

“There was a clear moment in November where election speculation reached a fever pitch because things were going well for us. Leo did right thing and put the country before the party. Don’t see that logic changing,” said one Fine Gael source. 

Another said they felt November was “an opportunity missed” as there was momentum within the party to go.

However the Taoiseach is understood to have told members that he is first and foremost Taoiseach, and the party must come second. 

It’s not just government ministers and Fine Gael TDs that are growing weary. One non-government TD said the prospect of an election has been weighing on all TDs in Leinster House for the past six months. 

One Fine Gael source disagreed that Varadkar would call it after the new year stating that it will be March “at the earliest”

“A lot to be done on the Brexit front from an Irish perspective”

“Mood is good and upbeat. Clarity on Brexit although we’re disappointed to see UK leaving EU in near future. Going back to August 2018, Leo has always said Summer 2020 so we’re looking at May. Lot of work to be done now on Brexit with Boris taking our biggest trading bloc out,” said another source. 

While Varadkar has said that he might not have a choice when the election is, with perhaps Fianna Fáil pulling it all down, one minister said pressure will be on Martin from within his own party to call it a day. 

“He will get pushed, they are not going to like it [members in Fianna Fáil]. But does he want to go when he is behind. Does he want to go himself when Fianna Fáil are behind in the polls,” they said. 

One thing all members of government agree on, is that the majority reached in Westminster is good news when it comes to taking a no-deal Brexit off the table. 

The threat of a no-deal certainly delayed any prospect of an election, said one minister. 

“Weeks and weeks of preparations in all departments” were carried out in order to prepare Ireland for what might be around the corner, they said.

“That was the nightmare, the stepping into the unknown,” they said, welcoming that if nothing else, at least that is one positive to be taken from the results across the water. 

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    Mute somethingodd
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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:25 PM

    god almighty, more of it….

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    Mute Tom Fitzgerald
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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:04 PM

    Work a bit harder, make more money and you won’t have to worry about household bills. It’s only the nations laziness that has them complaining about stuff like this!

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:45 PM

    @Tom I work hard for a set wage aka a salary, my workload has increased my wage lowered due to taxes and levies, every single price increase on needful items and services hits an already empty pocket. I’m far from lazy but these increases will mean that we will have decide on putting fuel into the car to travel to work or fuel for heating our house to reduce risk of sickness.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:56 PM

    @something…and more I suspect, to come. Coping classes are going to become the collapsed classes. No end to this gouging of ordinary people at every opportunity.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 11:05 PM

    Tom works for airtricty I’d say!

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    Sep 15th 2012, 12:22 AM

    toms a troll

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    Mute Mick
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    Sep 15th 2012, 5:35 AM

    Catherine…u now have 208 signatures after a few months in the go…there is something wrong here…maybe instead of just giving out on the page, offer solutions!!!

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    Mute boildyeggs
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    Sep 15th 2012, 9:58 AM

    Don’t feed Tom, he is just talking utter nonsense. Moron.

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    Mute Creamy Hamstrings
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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:36 PM

    We need to stop this! If i organise a protest over corrupt annual price fixing, will you attend?

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    Mute Kim
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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:46 PM

    Yes 100% I’ll be there. It’s time we the people took a stand…. We’ve been pushed around for too long now, time to push back I say.
    Keep us posted

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:04 PM

    Creamy behind you 100% this lot won’t be happy until their are all out riots on the streets

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:39 PM

    Yes 100% behind you. Time for us to step up!

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    Mute Tony Skillington
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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:59 PM

    100% creamy…just give me a time and place. This is getting out of control…we’re cash fodder to every corporate assh**e in this country lead by the government. Enough is enough..

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    Sep 14th 2012, 9:31 PM

    That depends! Are your Hamstrings really Creamy? I’d be a little nervous to be honest ;-)

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    Mute Des Keegan
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    Sep 14th 2012, 10:47 PM

    @johnny, that gave me a good chuckle :-) thanks

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    Mute Kim
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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:33 PM

    Oh there’s a surprise…..yes quick enough to raise the prices….. Now If only they were that fast with their customer service and giving you a copy of your invoice.

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    Mute Sean Hyland
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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:28 PM

    If you think that’s bad expect 1000% price increases over the next few years with ECB and Federal reserve printing. Transfer of wealth from the sheeple to Goldman etc backed by our superstate masters including Barroso.

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    Mute Jason Bourne
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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:30 PM

    Yip. Rothschilds are making a killing.

    Wait for the invasion of Iran, then you will see one hell of a price rise

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:32 PM

    Sorry, you said sheeple so unfortunately your opinion is invalid.

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    Sep 15th 2012, 1:15 AM

    http://www.change.org/petitions/supporting-the-irish-nation-step-down-from-government

    *this country needs to be rid of these fools in Government who are making the citizens of Ireland pay for the banks, bondholders and the elected government,s €80 Billion Debt.

    -This is not fair and it is not right, people were bullied and lied to vote in the way that was “wanted”.

    I’m sick to death of hearing about the sick, the elderly and the people who have already been broken down get stamped on even more. whilst these “leaders” have the audacity to tell us that they can’t take a paycut because it would be too much. They earn over €150,000 a year, yet most of the Irish citizens live averagely on €35,000 a year.

    - The Government have their own “expenses” account which they like to use a LOT!. Enda Kenny €25,000: in one night: in one pub.

    - that kind of money would sort some people for life.

    And that’s not even the tip of the Iceberg!!

    http://www.change.org/petitions/supporting-the-irish-nation-step-down-from-government @@EndTheEU
    #Forward2012

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:31 PM

    Cut down on electric & gas usages , its the only way to beat these increases.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:35 PM

    Sure they’ll just increase it more to keep the profits up.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:56 PM

    @felix haha yeah they have everyone by the balls & they know it.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:38 PM

    You can cut down on your usage but I’m sure they will find a way to charge you for under usage or something. We just can’t win!!!!

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    Sep 14th 2012, 9:43 PM

    yeah there is a way to win, dont vote for right wing parties.

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    Sep 15th 2012, 5:37 AM

    Jennifer…that’s just stupid

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:30 PM

    seems like they all do this every October the last few years, and they they only match each other upwardly to the nearest cent, We are all framed to the nearest cent too

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:34 PM

    price fixing is out of controll, We may as well not have a government, they do not serve people.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:46 PM

    @slapandstick are you only figuring that out now?

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:40 PM

    Definite cartel. Absolute joke at this stage.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:37 PM

    Ah the energy sector. What’s that old saying? If it look s like a cartel and acts like a cartel …….

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    Sep 14th 2012, 9:21 PM

    When airtricity came to the market along with esb taking on gas and bord gais taking on electricity….I thought great, finally some competition in Ireland…but it’s the same old thing…it just depresses me.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:50 PM

    How about we all leave our wages with the government and just get ration books and food vouchers. That would sort everything

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    Sep 14th 2012, 11:32 PM

    Yeah then we could all move to camps where the Government could supply us with nice wooden huts and barb wire fences for our protection.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:35 PM

    There is a huge global demand for wind and it is driving up the price.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:41 PM

    Wind energy is a waste of time. Take away the subsidies and it is economically absurd.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:13 PM

    I didn’t realise wind turbines produced gas. The electricity in Ireland is also mainly produced by gas. Gas price goes up = electricity price in Ireland goes up. Having wind power would actually reduce the reliance on world gas prices. [http://www.eirgrid.com/media/Generation%20Adequacy%20Report%202010-2016.pdf]

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:38 PM

    They do in Berlin! They use turbines to make hydrogen when electrical demand is low which in turn is burned in a chp to provide electricity and heat for district heating. O those crazy Germans!

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:46 PM

    Blame the greens when they were in goverenment,all they ever did was put carbon taxes on fuel ,there gone but the taxes still here useless shower.I do cut back but with small kids you have to have warm house.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:14 PM

    Check out this cost of living comparison between the Republic of Ireland and Finland.

    http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Finland&country2=Ireland

    The cost of monthly utilities are WAY cheaper in Finland than in the Republic of Ireland.

    Clearly foul play is going on in these latest price increases by utility providers.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:39 PM

    I for one believe fervently Tesla cracked zero point energy but the US Government and corporations have kept his patents hidden. Wardenclyffe Tower. Free Energy. Could not figure out how to meter it.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 9:37 PM

    wukin fankers!

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:51 PM

    Yes! a protest!Bring it on, Creamy! When and where? Dail Eireann or Bord Gais?

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:49 PM

    NOOOOO…How will I afford to stay warm this winter …….:(((

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    Sep 14th 2012, 10:43 PM

    Hot water bottle…

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:46 PM

    Bonkers.ie, let your feet do the talking!

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:46 PM

    A good solid fuel heating system will heat your house for a fraction of oil gas is or electricity.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:53 PM

    Not so sure on that mate .

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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:59 PM

    I Heat a 4 bed semi from an inset stove with a heatbox installed above it, pushing heated air directly to all upstairs rooms.
    In mid winter is uses 3 euro of turf a day for about 12 hours of heating

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:18 PM

    fair play to you Mike– what is the output of the system? sounds really good. I have solid fuel range and a condenser boiler (99% efficient) .Trying to heat 14 rads, the solid fuel systems wouldn’t have a look in with the oil boiler.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:40 PM

    Hi Paurice.
    with most heating systems you convert heat to water, then pump the water to the rads, then convert the heat from the water to the rads and from the rads to the room. I believe you lose about 10% per conversation and there is 3 concessions in a standard heating system. with a heat box the hot air is transferred directly from the stove to the rooms via insulated pipes.

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    Sep 14th 2012, 8:51 PM

    Sounds interesting. Can’t afford to change my central hearing system but sounds like its worth looking at.. Be nice not to have to worry about ever increasing oil prices.

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    Sep 15th 2012, 12:47 AM

    What happened – did the price of wind go up?

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    Mute Hope Lasts
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    Sep 14th 2012, 7:47 PM

    this is not a cartel,,a bunch of us ceos need a holiday is all…bonus time soon.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Sep 15th 2012, 12:01 AM

    Enda’s low cost economy takes another step forward. Next he will be telling us that house hold tax, water rates, charges for septic tanks, lower hospital cover, reduced children’s allowance, reduced fuel allowances for the elderly are good for us. Anyone ever going to stand up and say stop?

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    Sep 15th 2012, 7:09 AM

    As I said last week on the Bord Gas article, don’t be forgetting about the inevitable VAT increase that will surely come in Budget ’13 to go on top of that. Probably about 2%.
    Get making your draft excluders now people, easily done with tights and old rags ;) hot water bottles, fleeces,slipper socks, blankets etc going for a song now in penny’s!! Would rather walk around my house like the Michelin man than give those robbing b@stards more money than necessary! You have options, use them!

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    Sep 15th 2012, 1:11 AM

    I was just about to ask my boss for a pay-rise.. Wish me best of luck

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    Sep 15th 2012, 10:02 AM

    Jeez i dont know how much worse this country is going to get between increases here and there how can people keep on going , ive a family earn s basic wage and barely getting by month to month its the eldery people i worry about when the cold snap comes in they will be afraid to put gas om to keep them warm because they are afraid of the bill they will get . Everything seems to be going up apart from peoples wages hmmm something not right there .

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    Sep 14th 2012, 11:08 PM

    just get the pre-pay meters in its free doesn’t cost half as much as any of those companies on electricity

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    Sep 15th 2012, 2:49 AM

    I moved to airtricity in December last year & signed up to a 2 year contract and when the ESB increased theirs last week I rang airtricity to make sure it was a fixed price contract i signed up to, and she confirmed it is. so I won’t be affected by this increase yet, although the 2nd year of the contract the rate does go up slightly, but will still be under the new rate.

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    Sep 15th 2012, 9:11 AM

    I live in Northern Ireland and have signed up to Airtricity for my electricity recently …..was with Phoenix Gas which has been taken over by Airtricity ….are these price increases applicable up here ….Balex!!!

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