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SINN FÉIN PRESIDENT Gerry Adams was out and about on the streets of the north inner city this morning proving popular amongst the public but with little talk about the Seanad referendum.
Adams, flanked by TDs Seán Crowe and Dessie Ellis as well as a host of young party hopefuls, was distributing leaflets urging a Yes vote in the October vote.
But most of the public on Moore Street and Henry Street were more interested in having their picture taken.
Some confused him with the government, not likely you would think, but Adams was quick to correct this woman:
The Louth TD then had time to get down on one knee as he accepted a red rose:
One voter was perturbed by the cameras:
Then as he walked onto O’Connell Street, the Sinn Féin veteran bumped into Peter Mathews, the Reform Alliance/Fine Gael/Fine Gael Rebel/Rebel Alliance TD who would have none of this new party talk:
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Adams’ biggest strength is his charming personality. I dont particularly like his politics, but you just know that if you are in a bar with the man, you would end up buying him a pint and having a laugh with him. Hes a politician that can get on with the average joe soap. Not many politicians can say that, outside of their constituency.
On the flipside of that, many voters that have never met him, will never vote Sinn Fein due to his and the leaderships past. Difficult balancing act, for the party.
Reminds me of what John Drennan wrote before the last election. “Adams increasingly unlikely to be elected in Louth”, or some such.
True and look st wexford electing Wallace. Sime places have alot of “special” people.
Adams will always be known as a leader of the RA who murdered alot of innocents. The worst is denial as he done first about mcconville and mccabe.
Murderer. Blood on hands
Who did he murder Guardian, please enlighten us?
The ira saved thousands of men women and kids from the british murder machine while this state colluded with the brits.
To progress as a human being you need to stop believing bullshit.
bin laden didn’t bring down the twin towers and Gerry adams is a legend.
He was never leader of the IRA actually, and was along with MMG one of a small handful that were responsible for bringing the PIRA into the political process and he was trying for decades behind the scenes while saying things on TV to keep his base intact, it was a very delicate balancing act., I think he did a lot of good with his life, how much better have many of you done with your jobs? How many terrorist groups did you bring into the democratic process and then disarm?
Good post ryan. He gave up his life for a cause he believed in and still today spends his life under the threat of death. He deserves our respect for that. It cant be easy waking up ever day wondering if theres a gun man waiting for you.
@Ruairi Colton…at least he gets to wake up every day, unlike Jean Mc Conville
apt name despicable,
the 33 men women and kids murdered by the brits and fine gael in Dublin and monaghan aren’t waking up today either.
Exactly Ryan, most of the naysayers here throw out flippant comments which they then can’t back up. They seriously need to go away and pick up a few history books because they haven’t a clue what was really going on up the North throughout the Troubles.
In fairness she got three warnings and knew she was taking a big risk with what she was doing, I suppose you can see that as brave but it was also very risky.
We can keep digging up old stuff like that or we can move on. There were thousands of innocent people murdered on both sides in the troubles, we came to our resoloution and agreed on a peace plan so what is the point constantly dragging this stuff back up?
Adams is not the one to direct your anger at on that topic anyway. A lot of people in the PIRA at the time thought engaging in the peace process would result the way the OIRA going to the marxist aproch did: leave the community undefended and lead to streets being burned down and massive caos. He had to come in there when the police was on the side of the loyalists attacking people daily, when the entire society was segregated when the nationalist community was under constant attack, and try to push them towards talks, he kept trying even after the British initially duped them into thinking there would be talks one time in a meeting with a British minister, that was a risky thing to do.
It would have been so much easier to just fan the flames and throw the base some red meat, he’d have been more popular with his own people that way.
Instead he took the risks, hammered out a deal that we approved in referendums and then unilaterally they destroyed their weapons…what more do you want from them? They destroyed their arms and agreed to a peace deal…what more do you want them to do?
Direct your anger at the CIRA and RIRA and RSF and 32CSCM who ignored the Irish peoples votes and want to continue the violence. not at the people who already came to a peace.
Besides which, I promise you had you been on a certain street in Belfast in 1969 you’d have a far less black and white view of things.
Dalai..along with those from Enniskillen, Birmingham, Canary Wharf, Warrington etc etc etc.
@Ryan …”In fairness she got three warnings and knew she was taking a big risk with what she was doing”
You condone the killing this woman?
Enough said.
Oh she was warned! Well that’s ok then. Has anyone told her family? It will be a great comfort to them.
Ryan, your comment is disgusting.
Ted Bundy was charming too
despicable
Dublin and monaghan were bombed by the british and irish States, get that into your brainwashed head.
I do not ink that SF/IRA have the capability to fool normal intelligent people.
Speaking of despicable Dalai, I may have lost a lot of faith in Fine Gael over recent years but I would have to denounce your despicable lie in that statement.
Keep it short ryan please.
Have you anything costructive to say ‘despicable’. We can compare murders all night. Greysteel, loughinisland or poytzpass where a catholic and protesant friend were having a drink and murdered bry loyalists. No side has a monopoly of suffering
Both George W. Bush and Barack Obama come across as if they could get on with the average Joe Soap, does it make them any better as politicians?
@ Ryan Carroll: You seem to be condoning murder as long as the victim was given a warning about their imminent death. Remarkably callous attitude. Care to explain yourself?
I keep trying but it wont let me type more than a sentence
james
fine gael collude with the brits in the murder of irish citizens in Dublin and monaghan.
fine gael/ mi5 is what they are.
I wont keep it short, no I don’t want posts to be so long they are an essay, but sometimes I need to explain things in more depth cos brevity is not possible with a complex issue. Don’t read it if yo udon’t want to, sometimes I post short sometimes not, If I post longer there is a reason, something requires a fuller explanation and elaboration.
Skip over it if you want, but don’t whinge to me after that I did not answer your points.
No, but the way it’s come out is not the actual real story of how it went down, read ‘The Secret History of the IRA’ for the real story.
I don’t condone it, no, but I want you to try to think for a second.
So many of you run off comments without actually following through on their consequences, and really playing it out in your heads…
I don’t condone it, I just want you to understand why it happened, we can’t move on from history and stop it happening again unless we have a proper 3D view of what happened and why, it does NOT serve us or the victims to have reactionary black and white views of what were in reality more compex events….
If you are a resistance group against an occupying army (which is what the British troops there after the 70s was not originally but had become in practice being mostly ulster scots etc who were more sympathetic to the unionists side) and someone is actively assisting that force in espionage against you, what do you do?
Take the radio etc? and warn her? That’s what I’d do I’d not wanna shoot some kids mother.
So they did too. So what happens when she gets another one?
What do you do? You are a resistance movement and someone has ignored warnings and continues to assist your enemy? Come on what do you do? Her actions may lead to you or your men dying, what do you do?
Now add to that their warped view of history where they thought their leaders were the legitimate govt of Ireland and you can understand why it happened.
I’d still not have killed her, I’d have moved operations out of that block so the espionage was a moot point, but it’s not hard to understand how a cold hard calculation was made in that horrible environment.
She was not shot for no reason.
I DO NOT condone it, I’d rather die than shoot what COULD be a civilian to stop my own death, but the argument would have been when she started helping them she was no longer a non-combatant.
I wasn’t able to get into the US or Irish army reserves like some of my friends because I’m color blind, but I always thought about those blurry counter-insurgency situations in Iraq, I remember seeing on a TV show one time a commander saying ”we don’t put civilians at risk or even potentially at risk to save ourselves, sometimes that means we’ll loose the fight, and sometimes our lives, but if you can’t make that choice, you can’t wear that uniform” and I found myself agreeing with it, so myself I’d take the risk,
I’d say I’m a combatant and they are not I knew the risks going in…….
This is the attitude a lot of you had, if you don’t want to brutalize prisoners then you must be a pinko who wants to give them a hug and send them free, if you want a more 3D version of history you are an IRA supporter, no no no .
We have to be able to take a step back, zoom out and understand things from every perspective no matter how distasteful it is.
I see the same thing with my American friends and family thinking that listening to aL-QUIDA statements means you agree with them that they have a point that the US had it coming with 9-11 NO it just means I want to understand things from every perspective.
People who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat their past.
Look at the US now, they could have learned so many lessons from us with our terrorism but instead they are making all the same mistakes the British did over here and worse.
You have to be able to understand the full picture.
Understanding where anti-semetism came from does not mean you wish you could be there to drop the pellet into the gas chamber, it just means you want a more rounded view of what happened.
I’ts the same with this, we wont get anywhere demonizing our opponents and turning them into cartoon characters that is not how you develop an understanding of and learn from history.
Ryan…keep digging the hole is getting bigger and bigger…
Stop making generic statements like ”despicable” and ”digging a hole” and ACTUALLY REFUTE ONE OF MY POINTS.
People whinge that I post too long but at least I actually answer directly what people say not talk around them with vague generic statements
Do you have an argument?
You condone the murder of an innocent woman, well done, your a hero.
There you go again Ruairi…….you just don’t get it do you…..are you having a go at someone else with an opinion that you don’t agree with ? What an absolute hypercritical tool!
You clearly did not read what I said @Despicable because I said several times I did not condone it.
If you can’t refute my points don’t bother posting it’s just generic drivel. You’ve had two chances to counter what I said and you could not.
And what are you doing gmurpi? All your posts are having a go at posts you disagree with. At least i made an argument. Take a look at yourself before you criticise others.
Ruairi..you should take your own advice.
When you think there are ten people a week taking their own lives now The same could be said for Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore They too have blood on their hands. Where Adams does differ from Kenny and Gilmore is Adams has courage and morals
And Geoffrey Dharmer was also a “legend”.
Everyone has morals…but some are/were happy to justify murder and some are not.
Kenny and co have no morals if they are willing to carry on with a policy of austerity that is leading to suicides, as good as condoning murder by casting a vote for parties who will continue this failed policy which is leading to deaths. Coroners are trying to alert people to the amount of suicides happening in this country.
If you were burned out of your home forced to live in shanty estates and your vote didn’t matter a bit example the Derry electoral lines were drawn in favour of a minority population and constantly attacked. How would you respond? I can tell you how I would. Adams and Mcguinness got the process to the talking stage and they signed the GFA they were behind the push for peace. Youtube has many documentaries on the past. And I have watched them from both perspectives. Maybe you should do the same might give you some perspective or perhaps a clue. Both sides did horrible things. The fact is had the British treated the nationalists with a little respect the troubles would never have gotten to the point that it did.
Hi Guardian
Did you ever hear of Kathleen Thompson – mother of young family shot dead by British Army in 1971 around the same time as Mrs McConville. Brits claimed she was a gunman!! Family still trying to get justice. Bet you never heard of her. Ask yourself why. Probably because you only listen to pro British media where dead nationalists are way down the hierarchy of victims. But not to us, mo chara. Gerry Adams and the Provos stood up for us and we support them all the way.
Hey Dalai is British Murder Machine a heavy metal band? Never heard of them before but they sound interesting!
The neibours my parents have in manchester treated my Irish parents brilliantly stop calling scotish Presbyterian’s ENGLISH
Despicable, shut the f**k up, Im trying to listen to Ryan. You’re just an annoying noise in the background and you haven’t made one point
I would rather a corrupt FF than a morally corrupt SF
Ryan Carroll, I’d like to be clear here, who are you saying got three warnings and for what?
Why are mc conville and mc cabe more important than all the other people that died in the troubles. Propaganda is very powerful tool to help control the sheep
People said the same about Bertie
I grew up with many English friends and I can assure you I would never associate decent ordinary English people with the loyalist thugs up north. One English woman said to me recently that she was ashamed to see all the union jacks at the recent orange marches and she couldn’t understand the logic behind Scottish descendants paying homage to a Dutch king with “her flag”. I had to agree with her.
Love them or hate them but they couldnt possibly worse than fg or ff
FF gave us the Celtic Tiger and the highest employment this country has ever seen. Maybe you and others choose to blow that but don’t blame those who gave you the opportunity in the first place.
I had to emigrate seanie. Just what opportunity are you talking about? Opportunities for themselves and their pals to get rich maybe….
Ruairi…yes they could
You could have stayed and started your own business as so many do. Instead you choose to leave. Either way a decision that you made yourself.
And the bank would have gave me a loan to start my own business i suppose seanie……
I’m not here to go through and dismiss every excuse that you come out with, there will be hundreds no doubt. You can choose to make excuses but that is your choice and not the fault of any imaginary group of baddies out there.
SeanieRyan the voice of reason, any reason to back FG
I suppose Seanie thinks that everybody was a member of the golden circle who got cheap business loans on demand.
lol good one seanie “FF gave us the Celtic Tiger”, they also killed it spectacularly
By Jesus Seanie, your so blinkered by your FF die hard attitude I really do feel sorry for you.
Seanie just give over already and get back to the Galway tent. You’re doing your cause more harm than good on here. Id dare say the other lads in Fianna Fail will be crimson reading this.
the celtic tiger me arse nothing changed in this town how are yeh
Seanie Ryan you are one deluded young fella. I think you might be too young to have experienced all that FF have brought unto this country: suicides, home possessions, business failures, long term unemployment and mass emigration are what FF’s management of our country brought upon the people.
While I commend what they have done for civil rights in Northern Ireland Sin Feins economic policy’s are laughable and their efforts to vilify those earning over €100k a year are misguided , populist and ignorant without doubt they would b worse for economic recovery then either Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael
FF created the Celtic Tiger?!!??! Really?? great … what’s the secret?
Any specific economic policy there kev…other than tax? Do you know any of their economic policies?
Celtic tiger, a myth that people bought into. My cousin left Dublin no job, now he earns $220k a year what would you call that? Australian kangaroo ?
Fool
Their policy are focused on drawing more wealth out of the economy though imposing extortionate taxes on the last people spending freely to invest in social projects and “redistribution” of wealth I would rather not pay the upwards 75% tax people in France pay n I see no need for a redistribution of anything wealth is to b earned it is not an entitlement … Also their ideas of exiting bail out programmes and debt write downs are far from reslistic
True then again I doubt it
@ Kev I don’t think they want to vilify them they only want them to pay the same kind of taxes people on that income pay in France and Germany and the rest of Europe rather than having those on 40 and 50k a year holding the entire country up all by themselves.
There always seems to be this narrative that Sinn Fein’s economic policies are a joke. But at the end of the day recent history has shown us that Sinn Fein were the only party to vote against the bank guarantee which has gotten Ireland into this mess. All the other parties supported it so the joke is kinda on their economic policy
Seanie, your wasting your time, you will never win against the SF media manipulation machine! They have a full time crew who’s main purpose is to stick their thumbs into red bucket of paint and slag off anyone who goes against them. Put simply you are not supposed to have a say.
Most fair minded people who contribute to this site are well aware of it. Can you just imagine what they would do against any opposition if they ever got into government ? Think about it…..
Ruairi your just a begrudger – anyone who worked at anything benefited
I don’t think tats the case tbh People earning over €100pay the same higher tax rate and contribute a far higher cash amount of tax then those earning 40-50 my point is over taxing those high earner s is lazy policy and suggests they dont contribute a fair share which they do or work hard which they most certainly do… social welfare and the civil service need to be severely cut before any more income taxs are looked at
Gmurpi you really got to stop following me. You feel the need to comment on everything i say. Please get lost.
Ruairi well you know what they say “if the cap fits” ! It’s ok for you to challenge people but when it happens to you …..you squeal like a mouse! You’d be good for SF they don’t like to be questioned also when they make ridiculous statements…..Grow up!
Gmurpi, well said. That is true. As poster Simon Jester recently pointed out and i had previously mentioned, Gerry Adams wants to create a united Ireland and model it on Cuba. Simon included this quote
” once we have dealt with the Northern Ireland problem we will turn our attention to Dublin and create a 32 County Socialist Republic modelled on Cuba.”
Gerry Adams, Playboy Magazine, 1986
Sinn Fein had little choice left but to try peace process. Fair play that they realised that. They would ruin Ireland in government. We need a new politically viable option to vote for, SF is not it. Red thumb away voluntary staff, nobody is fooled anymore.
Gmurpi. You are the one who is unable to challenge. You cant debate the topic. You just make sweeping statements. I wont waste my time on a troll like you. Now get lost
Many of them Don’t Kev the actual top 1% in Ireland pay almost no tax.
Higher cash amount is not what its about it’s about % of what you have.
Those earning well into the millions often pay less in tax because it’s taxed as capital not income.
Debate? You need help!
FF gave us the Celtic Tiger, brilliant, as ex FF voter I see nothing has changed with party or supporter. Sense of superiority and power hungry lot is all I met.
Proud to say I have seen the light.
Celtic tiger was the cheap credit flowing in from EU what FF did was mismanagement and corruption they destroyed everything about this country. Didn’t invest properly, squandered the money. They can claim no credit for Celtic tiger bar making a total mess of everything.
Despicable me, is a typical IRA sympathiser and has been brainwashed.
Kev my friend, you don’t understand economics. You should probably stop trying to talk about the subject until you get at least a basic understanding. you’re just making yourself come across stupid.
No Eamonn crimson and red neck don’t exist in their vocabulary
of course INM will tell us how sinn fein members were abused while on walkabout in Dublin.
Sinn Fein, the only party. Vote for change, Vote Sinn Fein.
Yep, cause we know SF TD’s will do no wrong,
We’ve already seen that they only got the foot in the door and have no problem ripping off the tax payer on a small scale (basically stealing a stupid amount of printer ink), thats small fry. wait till they get more power and they’d be no different
Yaw! @Barry – you have to look at the bigger picture and not be so petty. SinnFein is the only genuine party for change – the only party never to be in government so it makes sense that one day they will get their chance – otherwise we have only ourselves to blame for not allowing a genuine alternative to emerge against the centre-right alliance of FF,FG and now Labour.
“…the only party never to be in government so it makes sense that one day they will get their chance…”
Peter, I think the Socialist Party might disagree with you there.
Who are they?
The Journal and Sinn Fein need to get a room.
Gerry adams, ” A man with the people and for the people”
They started off as a group of disgruntled Irishmen & Irishwomen that weren’t happy with the State they lived in. As a result of oppression and censorship, they formed an illegal army. That army terrorised the government of its time and murdered innocent civilians, especially ones that didn’t agree with them.
After years of bloodshed and stalemate politics, they took the democratic route and lay down their arms. They are now broadly accepted as a legitimate political party. But enough about Fianna Fáil & Fine Gaels history….
Very good, but the current leaders of FF & FG weren’t around during those times.
Some (and I emphasise some) of the current leadership of SF still have their hands wet with blood or have just recently washed the blood off. And all of the blood did not come from ‘legitimate targets’ or ‘enemy combatants’. The IRA’s tactics resulted in the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians.
ordinary people with no pretences meeting ordinary people with no pretences.
Sinn Fein abu
The ignorance of some people in the South of Ireland about the North in unbelieveable,probable thanks to RTE and section 31
so true, section 31 may be gone off the statute books but censorship is still alive and well in rte and inm and the rest of the rags.
The only decent unashamedly irish nationalist paper is the sunday business post.
Good man Gerry, man of the people.
Reading The Journal is a lot cheaper than reading An Phoblacht.
Provo central in the comment section. They’ve been allowed spread their untruths long enough and i’m sick to my guts of it.
Cheer up. Bobby will be home from school in a few minutes and he’ll bring us exclamation marks and misspelled slogans.
seanie,
ye people had 40 years of section 31, ye are brainwashed. Stop reading the sunday independent.
You obviously don’t read the Journal very often, an intelligent person such as yourself would surely have noticed that almost every article, no matter what the subject, attracts a few troglos who attempt to accuse the Journal of bias. It’s wonderful, as it shows the Journal is likely not biased when all the axe grinders are equally upset.
What about the forerunners of todays free state parties up to their necks in atrocities and disappearances – hypocrites by the truckload .. SF will led this country one day back to its proud place amongst nations regardless of westie brits and their envious utterances.
Adams for taoiseach.
Vote SF for what, so they can print posters,and just a little note they earn the same as all TD’s but they pay SF over half of there wages to be a member of the party.
Those who consider voting for SF should seriously ink again.
€60 billion stolen off the irish people and people like you go on and on about an ink cartridge.
Thousands murdered and people like you go on about money.
thousands murdered by who?
thousands saved by the ira.
saved by the IRA?
Really?
Tell that to the victims, you can’t they are dead!
Tell it to their familys
Tell it to the familys of people who still don’t have body’s to bury!
Is there a doctor in the house? Dalai needs medical help.
He needs a historian too.
dober,
a historian is what you and your ilk need. Section 31 brainwashed people like you. You read the sunday independent and lap up it’s lies and bullshit about irish republicanism.
you and your buddy slap need a historian and a doctor.
No John he’s right, the IRA did save some people…when their bomb makers/planters screwed up and blew themselves up, then they actually saved the lives of the innocent people they were hoping to kill. Even though it was incompetence on their part it should be welcomed wholeheartedly.
People like you barry have no understanding of the north. Why did the ira exist? Because of british opression in ireland. Why did the ira come onto the streets at the start of the troubles? Because catholics were being burned out of their homes by loyalist mobs. Google bombay street for reference. There was wrong on both sides so be balanced and condemn the british and irish governments and loyalists who left young catholics with no choice but join the ira for their very survival
Ruairi, yes I condemn them all IRA UVF MI5 British Govt Irish Govt etc etc, but you can see only wrong on the part of others and no wrong on the part of the IRA or Sinn Fein
I see and condemn all killings. I fear others only see the wrong of the ira and not the others
Ruairi..all your posts try to explain and justify the IRA and it’s actions, you only condemn and criticise others.
I just said i condemn all killings. What more clarification do you need despicable????
Did you go to the Gerry Adams school of PR, you condemn all killings? your posts only condemn killings by anyone bar the IRA, none of your posts specifically single out the IRA for criticism (only other groups) .
Your only fooling yourself.
Youre such an idiot ‘despicable’. Dont pretend to know anything about me. I could easily say the same about your posts. You only condemn the ira.
Can you not read? I condemn the IRA PIRA RIRA CIRA UVF UDF UVV British Army MI5 RUC PSNI Irish Govt British Govt Orange order (all the alphabet groups) etc etc that had anything to do with killings.
You condemn everyone bar the IRA. When specifically asked to, you just ‘condemn all killings’ but make no mention of IRA, but you are happy to mention all other groups.
I’m not pretending to know about you, just pointing out facts by using your own posts as the evidence.
Despicable can I ask you you say you condone killings on all sides, same as me, but will you answer me this if the British government/MI5 didn’t exist would there be an IRA ever in existence?
Impossible to answer, there would have to be no Britain/UK for there to be no British Govt. It is a chicken and egg argument.
But how far do you go back though, if the Vikings never came would there be an IRA?
It’s not really impossible your just avoiding answering it. Having a bit of intelligence would tell me that if there had be no Britain, there would have been no oppression there would have been no resistance, than there would have been no division of the Island( for the lovely bit of oil that was off the coast) and therefor no further oppression of the Catholics up the north. I do condone all murders just like Ryan is trying to tell you he does. But you have to be objective when you look at that situation, what would I have done and what options did they have.
Now I was a FF voter and than FG but you know what I finally opened my eyes at how silly I was being, really not voting for a party for what a small few members did 20 years ago or so and after doing my research I really admire Adams for his part in peace process.
Sf have amazing genuine politicians. Been to a few meeting and my stereotype of the uneducated supporter was so wrong, an amazing bunch of genuine people far superior to what I was meeting( morals wise) at FF meetings, FF meeting was a rat race for power.
SF have my No 1 in 2016. Enough of letting the eu puppets destroy my country.
Im not going to teach you to read. I wont say it again. You also need to inform yourself about the north before you make any more comments. Its not black and white
Adelle, just because you don’t get the answer you want doesn’t make you right.
OK if there was no British Govt/MI5 then maybe there would be no IRA, would that be a definite, I’d say no.
If there had been no Britain then maybe the Romans, Normans, French or Spanish could have invaded and partitioned the country and we would still have had the IRA.
Like I said already, impossible to answer, too many variables and hypotheticals.
Good post adelle. But you mean condemn not condone haha. Ive been to lots of sf meetings and met them all lots of times and you are right. They are nice genuine people who care about the country. Its obvious they care….otherwise why would thet have bothered fighting for independence.
Ruairi, I don’t need you to teach me to read, do you not see that I can write replies to you and others? QED I can read.
I need to inform myself about the north? How do you know what I do and do not know about ‘the North’, FYI I live there. Do you assume that anyone who disagrees with you couldn’t be from ‘the North’ ?
Go away you stupid silly person.
Ruairi
“Its obvious they care….otherwise why would thet have bothered fighting for independence.”
Does that sentiment only apply to IRA?
Flip it around… the British Army, Orange Order, RUC and Unionist Terrorists have ‘fought’ too so obviously ‘they care’ too. BTW I’m a nationalist (before you go assuming otherwise).
You are some muppet.
I very much doubt that
It would be quite hard for the british to fight for independence. Oh and btw im half english. None of that makes a difference. Take a look at the red thumbs next to the majority of your comments and we will see who the muppet is. Your just a troll hiding behind a fake name. Dont make the mistake of thinking you are a nationalist.
Wow I get 30/40/50 red thumbs and I must be wrong, you really are deluded. You must think you are so brilliant for getting so many green ones? Is that how low your self esteem is that you need green thumbs to feel loved and wanted.
What a ******.
It means most people agree with me which means most people disagree with you. Look lets just leave it. We disagree and thats it. Its politics. I respect your views but strongly disagree. The two of us fighting will achieve nothing
Most people !! so you get 50/100/150 thumbs up out of a population of nearly 5 million and you extrapolate that ‘most people’ agree with you.
What you have is… most of the readers of the article who are prepared to hit the red/green thumb button agree with you..but that’s a hell of a long way from ‘most people’
Well said Edele.
Ya meant condemn not condone. No one could condone the taking of someone else’s life.
Volunteer Martin Doherty saved 350 lives when he sacrificed his young life to stop an armed UVF/MI5 gang from blowing up the Widow Scallons pup in Pearse St, Dublin in 1994. How many FF/FG/Lab politicians would give up even their dinner to benefit society?
He was canvassing on Moore Street and O Connell street? Probably wont find many Irish people there
Good old Gerry, SF are great
:P
Ahh dere a walk down Moore Street and we’ll meet all de ordinary people who sell Strawberries for a euro.
what a stuck up prat
Too right Seanie. It’s a pity they can’t all be livin’ off daddy’s money
Seanie, how long did it take to become such a d!ck?
Another Sinn Fein/IRA story??
Or should I say Journal.ie/Sinn Fein/IRA….
I suspect quite a few of the red thumbs originate inside The Journal. I have noticed unusual ‘red thumb activity’ in the past.
They’re only Provo keyboard warriors
says the garda keyboard warrior.
What’s your problem you weasel?
I suspect quite a few of the red thumbs are because your comments arw misguided and not based on fact or reality.
‘What’s your problem you weasel?’
I appear to have hit the nail on the head, lmao.
Why should we care what people hiding behind fake twitter/fb accounts have to say?
Dissident Dirtbirds
Oh look. The murdering Bastards are in town!
another queen licking troll.
Another Adams licking troll
Don’t be ignorant. What happened is in the past. It should still be remembered yes, but don’t forget Gerry Adams played a very active role in bringing about the peace process in 1998.
But don’t forget he also played a very active role in what went on before the peace process aka the war process.
Ignorant? Ignorant how? You’ve just accepted I’m right in your bloody statement! I’m sure Hitler was a nice guy underneath it all too! He is a murderer. Pure and simple and it shames me that he sits in the Dail
I wouldn’t compare Hitler to Gerry Adams. And also you can’t assume he is a murderer. Obviously everyone knows he was in the IRA but the polls are always showing a rise in supposrt for SF…
By your logic FF, FG & LABOUR haven’t all engaged in Armed Rebellion against a democratically elected Government in its time!
I’m sick of the same old drivel being trotted out about Sinn Féin each time they’re in the news….the whole reason the peace process and the Good Friday agreement and the IRA ceasefire happened was so that people can move forward, I personally have a lot of respect for Gerry Adams despite his past, yesterday’s “terrorists” (I really don’t like to use that term, but for want of a better word….) are tomorrow’s statesmen, this has happened throughout history and will continue to do so….what about Obama ordering drone strikes on Pakistan from the comfort of the White House….does that mean no-one should ever vote for the Democratic party because they’re ‘terrorists” too? Or are covert forms of terrorism somehow more palatable?
Would yiz all wise up and I mean s/f supporters of which I am one …. as most of the tools on here are only here to wind you up … Will ye stop annoying yourself and go out and canvas :)))
It looks like we are almost out of the mist and finally shaking off the shackles of Civil war politics. Even as an outsider who came to Ireland as a teenager, I was dragged into the world of ‘fixed the road’ politics and proceeded to vote as my grandfather had voted, without thought.
I became more aware of politics in university and carried out my own investigations into the suppressed history of the troubles and the two party swing system in place in the free state.
Just like in America, the UK etc. we are given the illusion of two separate ‘big’ parties that supposedly hate each other (despite the similar core policies of both)
The FF, FG party rely on their grass-roots hatred to continue the farce. In Sinn Fein you have a party where members often had to work under the fear of death to fight
for their communities during the troubles.
Just look at Gerry in that video, talking to the public like an ordinary Joe, he has had family and friends killed and injured for their support of Sinn Féin and even an attempt on his own life. He shakes hands with Peter Mathews, a generic typical career politician that this country seems to love so much I’m sure he would risk his
life for FG?
The arrogance in the republic towards the North is sickening, I have spent years talking to locals on both side of the divide in the 6 counties and you will never know what they went through.
I meet FG supporters all the time that haven’t even visited the North yet they have fierce opinions about it because its a great political argument as far as they can see, it’s all a game of votes to them.
I can’t wait to see what the future holds for Ireland as the older members of SF make way for the next generation. How will FFG cope without reverting to calling Gerry out for being a ‘terrorist’, that line won’t float against Mary Lou or Doherty? Perhaps a snide remark about ink cartridges, as the country throws a few more
billion into a black hole like Anglo? If that is the best you can come up with, then the ‘establishment’ parties are doomed.
Any sane unbiased person reading the comments section on the Journal and other discussions will be repeatedly met with competent coherent questions and answers from shinners being constantly met with either:
1) “What about the IRA?!!! Bodies” etc. (It was a war, read up on it someday and hope you never have to live through it, we could also look into FF background regarding corruption and arms dealing as well as FG’s facist ‘heavy-gang’ past and the blue shirts ties to Franco)
2) “Ink cartridges! insert overused joke here” (insignificant in comparison to the incompetence of a FF government which ruined an entire country and the continuous scandals rocking FG. From Healy-eames ‘Facebook rape’ and Creighton, to the knives constantly in Kenny’s back as he gets his ears rubbed in Europe etc. Ink cartridge jokes still being mentioned today shows the lack of dirt to throw around)
3) “Sinn Fein couldn’t run the country!” (never given the chance, and I would take a good look at their economic policies as well as their recent pre-budget submissions before you make up your mind. They have done a competent job in the 6 counties while working with their sworn enemies and financial controls from London)
4) “If you don’t like it feck off out of the country then!” (just look at the levels of immigration all the best and brightest have left)
People should stop reading the rubbish being spouted by the media in Ireland and do their own research. I don’t believe that Sinn Fein have all the answers but I think they are a good start.
This is a long post but I think it sums up some of the reasons why I vote Sinn Fein. If the party starts to shift its policies than I will take my vote elsewhere, you do not owe your allegiance to a political party indefinitely. This is also a major problem in Ireland as people will often vote one way for the rest of their lives thus never ending the circle of corruption.
Ever time I see him I feel a chill…#chilling
Excellent post Andy Mac
The hypocrisy of people in this country often borderlines on mental illness. The sooner Eamonn Gilmore comes clean about his IRA past, the better.
Gerry Adams should not have been allowed to just waltz into Louth and run as a TD, he has little or nothing to do with the place, and what’s worse is that the people of Louth voted for him only because of who he is. Personally I can’t abide Adams, at least Mc Guinness has no problem admitting his past, but the little weasel Adams is obviously suffering from dementia as he can’t remember ever been in the IRA and as a result sending scores of innocent people to their death. I would have far more time for Adams if he admitted his past, but until then is nothing more than a lying weasel.
If Sinn Fein really believe that the Senate is elitist and undemocratic why do they not do the honourable thing and get their Senators to resign immediately thereby proving that they have principles and saving the taxpayer some money ?
Because they would only be replaced by Government Senator who would ram home there right wing policies!
I cant vote for him he is in Louth, and I don’t have any in my constituency. So it looks like I will have to vote FF lol
Voting for FF or SF is not a laughing matter.
slap votes for fine gael/mi5
This is a Picture of SF up and coming president Long my she rain.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533843526681398&set=a.533843026681448.1073741846.296057273793359&type=3&theater
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