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Government has 'no immediate plans' to review Vatican embassy closure

Fine Gael TDs have called for the decision to close the Irish embassy in the Vatican to be reviewed.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS restated that there are no immediate plans to reconsider the decision to close Ireland’s embassy in the Vatican.

Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore announced last November that the Irish embassy in the Vatican would be closed as part of the government’s programme of cuts to its budget with embassies in Iran and East Timor also shuttered.

The decision was criticised by Catholic groups and opposition parties who expressed scepticism as to the reasons behind the closure of the embassy following a cooling of the government’s relationship with the Vatican in the wake of the Cloyne report into clerical sex abuse in a Cork diocese.

Gilmore has said that the closure will save between €845,000 and €1.2m and indicated that the decision will be reviewed when the economy recovers.

This week a number of backbench Fine Gael TDs urged the government to review the decision to close the embassy, endorsing a motion put forward at the parliamentary party meeting for the decision to be reviewed.

However, a spokesperson for the Department of Foreign Affairs has restated the government’s position saying there are “no immediate plans to review the decision.”

“It was a government decision to close the embassy and the Tánaiste hopes when economic conditions are better this can change,” he added.

Ireland may reopen ‘modest’ Vatican embassy in future, says Gilmore


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    Mute james o reilly
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    May 20th 2017, 7:25 AM

    So as if we dont have enough trouble with home grown crime we import Nigerians and Morroccans to compund the issue. Just so the bleeding heart lefties can virtue signal to the world about how we take in “refugees”.
    Stopping this influx would be a big help in reducing crime in Ireland.

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    Mute joe o hare
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    May 20th 2017, 7:47 AM

    @james o reilly: you think Nigerians and morocans are responsible for most of the crime in ireland?

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    Mute Oonagh Donnelly
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    May 20th 2017, 7:53 AM

    @james o reilly: Trump and brexit voter me thinks there now luv.

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    Mute Scundered
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    May 20th 2017, 7:58 AM

    @joe o hare: “reducing crime” he said. And he has a point. Unless we adopt a strict screening policy and only allow in educated people we are open to letting in those who live via crime.

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    Mute why not
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    May 20th 2017, 8:02 AM

    @james o reilly: “lefties” the new buzzword to be used to sound intelligent. Oh dear

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    Mute Joe O'riordan
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    May 20th 2017, 8:31 AM

    @james o reilly: you are a disgusting disgrace…..

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    Mute Cathal S Byrne
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    May 20th 2017, 8:36 AM

    @joe o hare: how do we have Nigerian and Moroccan gangs in the first place?

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    Mute Cathal S Byrne
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    May 20th 2017, 8:58 AM

    @Cathal S Byrne: Anyone that came in to this country and are involved in serious crime must be shown the door immediately.

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    Mute Gary
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    May 20th 2017, 9:22 AM

    @joe o hare: Read the article and then read what James wrote. He said we have enough criminals of our own. He didn’t say the Nigerians etc were responsible for all the crime. One foreign criminal is adding to our own home grown criminals.

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    May 20th 2017, 9:43 AM

    @Joe O’riordan: you are a dishonest dunce.

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    Mute seanmccann
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    May 20th 2017, 10:28 AM

    @james o reilly: and there’s people who say that immigrants have no initiative and all lazy workshy godless or incorrect god worshipping parasites. I mean we had no crime before these immigrants turned up. We certainly didnt export our criminals globally. Id far more worried about ineffective policing of criminals no matter where they come from and lack of a working credit system.

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    Mute JoseMacPhisto
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    May 20th 2017, 10:43 AM

    @james o reilly:

    You do know where these refugees are largely fleeing from? If you don’t consider the Islamic world to be one homogenous blob, you might be interested to know Rabat is circa 1,500km closer to Dublin than it is to Damascus.

    Regarding the gangs, I suspect poverty is the bigger cause at play here, but all the same, people found guilty of criminal behaviour should be sent back.

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    Mute Adrian
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    May 20th 2017, 10:53 AM

    @Joe O’riordan: No Joe you and your likes are a disgusting disgrace! open you f@€#ing eyes and ears and be aware of
    What’s happening to this country

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    Mute Just Me
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    May 20th 2017, 10:59 AM

    I’m thinking is this a Waterford Whispers story. On another point, the article say’s ,the gardai told the local councilor, he was a legitimate target for the gang???. How can a law abiding citizen be a legitimate target for murder??

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    Mute Stephen Finn
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    May 20th 2017, 12:35 PM

    @Joe O’riordan: why! he is stating a fact! we have no links with Africa north or south yet we have criminal gangs including eastern European gangs and professional beggars! and yes we have our home grown filth, but i be if we where to try and get the individuals out of our country the bleed hearts and lefties would be the first to protest!! lock them up and kick the all out!

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    May 20th 2017, 1:10 PM

    @Stephen Finn: This is only the start. Frances Fitzgerald and Catherine Zappone are determined to bring in as many immigrants from the Middle East as they can – at huge expense because we have to pay for their housing, living costs etc. Some of those guys will want to make real money, cue gang land warfare as Middle East gangs fight Nigerian gangs and Irish gangs for control of the drug trade.

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    May 21st 2017, 12:12 AM

    @james o reilly: deport them all

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    Mute Raymond Power
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    May 20th 2017, 6:26 AM

    Well thank God for our local gardai. ..sorry Nigerian drug gangs.you couldn’t make it up.

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    Mute gregory
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    May 20th 2017, 12:26 PM

    @Raymond Power: a guy from the congo i know said it is very easy to do all kinds of manipulations with documentation for social welfare etc as they all look the same to us.

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    Mute Darren Mccarthy
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    May 20th 2017, 7:58 AM

    How are these Nigerians getting into the bloody country? Asylum seekers are now setting up drug gangs and we are just taking more in hand over fist. Fast forward 10 years…..can you imagine the state of this country? Not a “let them all in” liberal will be found then, spouting down to us from their ivory towers. Multiculturalism forced on the people by these clowns that wouldn’t around and live with the consequences.

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    Mute Darren Mccarthy
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    May 20th 2017, 8:03 AM

    @Darren Mccarthy: #Won’t be#

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    Mute Cathal S Byrne
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    May 20th 2017, 9:03 AM

    @Darren Mccarthy: Multiculturalism is an abject failure and should be resisted by all. Everywhere it’s been tried places unnecessary challenges on the social cohesion of the society in question. Open border cheerleaders will leave this country in a far worse state for generations to come.

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    Mute john doe
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    May 20th 2017, 9:57 AM

    Sounds like those Nigerians have taken up our culture very well!!

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    Mute Cathal S Byrne
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    May 20th 2017, 10:09 AM

    @john doe: our culture? What part of this article relates to Irish culture exactly?

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    Mute Just Me
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    May 20th 2017, 11:14 AM

    @Darren Mccarthy: Franny Fitz bestows citizenship on them in the convention centre . This then allows them to bring their families ,who in turn Franny gives citizenship too. Some of those will have other family members who Franny will encourage them to come. In the next few months to a year, Franny will be living on her overbloated pension in the leafy avenues of Rathgar and will never see any of her new arrivals, There’ll be no direct provision centre opened there.

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    Mute Lisa Saputo
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    May 20th 2017, 11:30 AM

    @Darren Mccarthy: Seems the Nigerian gang sorted out the problem for these people though. It’s not uncommon for people to move to other countries to start building a criminal business. They may even have clean records before they get there. The Italian, Irish, Swedes etc all did it in at the US.

    One thing that annoys me about your post is as a liberal I would be in favour of full background checks being carried on people move to Ireland. I don’t think our system is all that onerous as it currently stands.

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    May 20th 2017, 8:46 AM

    Mutilations, forced prostitution, people chained to trees,beatings, drug dealing, money laundering. Is this actually happening or am I reading excerpts from some movie like Gangs of New York or The Godfather.I just wish there was much tougher sanctions on these thugs.

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    Mute gregory
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    May 20th 2017, 12:35 PM

    @patjoe: Was any of these horrendous punishments reported on the news? First i’ve heard of it. Seems odd.

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    May 20th 2017, 6:11 AM

    It seems the author if this article has a lot of inside information. Have you reported any of your investigative findings to the Gardaí Garreth?

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    Mute John Carberry
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    May 20th 2017, 6:45 AM

    @Martin Flood: All this stuff is quite well known locally. The problem is proving it in court. People won’t testify due to the threats, as mentioned in the article. It’s one thing having the Gardai aware, it’s another getting a conviction. “Tell the Gardai” isn’t the end of a process.

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    Mute Jamie
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    May 20th 2017, 7:43 AM

    They obviously didn’t want to get into a gang war with the IRA

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    May 20th 2017, 7:44 AM

    @cholly appleseed: nobody is blaming the Nigerians, they done the people a favour, one which the gardai were unable to or had no desire to.

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    May 20th 2017, 7:48 AM

    @Martin Flood: ouch… threaten his reputation and livelihood.. defamatory speculation. Professional journalism involves digging out info that isn’t normally readily available to the general public. Why do we have journal commentors targeting the journalists career every so often. Sometimes I wonder if it’s just other freelance journalists sniping working journalists cuz it’s impossible to make a regular living. It’s not in accordance to the topics of the articles. It turns the focus to targeting the journalist on a personal level…and that’s just pants.

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    Mute Teddy
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    May 20th 2017, 7:50 AM

    @joe o hare,I am sure the locals are delighted with the Nigerian gangsters who run the drugs and prostitution rings in the southeast helping them out by supplying drugs to local thugs.

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    May 20th 2017, 8:00 AM

    @joe o hare: really?? So the locals are happy that bigger more dangerous criminals helped them out. I don’t think so

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    May 20th 2017, 11:23 AM

    @cholly appleseed: The article seems to suggest so.

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    Mute Joe Bloggs
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    May 20th 2017, 12:42 PM

    @joe o hare: The gang that is reportedly into prostitution & drug dealing djd people a favour? You’re also conveniently leaving out the part where gardaí convicted two men of making threats to kill, so they’re obviously doing something.

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    May 20th 2017, 9:55 AM

    Shocked and stunned again , Nigerian and Arab criminals in our midst and here I was believing the Irish Times and the lefty levies about all the cultural enrichment they could bring to our little Island ,

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    Mute FlopFlipU
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    May 20th 2017, 6:17 AM

    Hardly believable that this is going on in our rural town’s and is it stoppable

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    May 20th 2017, 8:10 AM

    @FlopFlipU: Ireland has no backbone when it comes to these matters, mainly the problem of rubbish parents producing feral kids, and inept judges who won’t sentence accordingly.

    Show your kids love and educate them, they won’t grow up to be thugs.

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    Mute John Phelan
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    May 20th 2017, 12:18 PM

    @FlopFlipU: Waterford is not rural. It is actually Irelands Oldest City!

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    May 20th 2017, 9:46 AM

    @Raymond Power:

    “The gang started using moneylending as their primary source of income in 2011 – moving away from drugs. They knew that if they increased the interest rates dramatically then it would be nearly impossible to pay off.”

    So no different from the Troika.

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    May 20th 2017, 9:22 AM

    I live in Waterford.
    The place is gone to the dogs. To be honest I was thinking of moving back to the Bronx for a bit of peace and quiet. At least you could walk down the street without getting hassled there. And you could keep a gun in the house to deal with any idiot who thought it was a good idea to enter illegally.

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    Mute DaisyChainsaw
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    May 20th 2017, 12:25 PM

    I believe you share a house with Cal, Tom, Tommy, Daniel etc. I hope the rent allowance covers all of you.

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    Mute Deborah Behan
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    May 20th 2017, 1:18 PM

    @Jack Cassady: aww we’ll miss you. Bye!!!!!!

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    Mute Eamonn Sheen
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    May 20th 2017, 3:23 PM

    @Deborah Behan: I’m sure the journal is accessible in “the bronx”.

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    May 20th 2017, 10:13 PM

    @Eamonn Sheen:
    Thanks for explaining the internet to Debs there Eamonn.

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    Mute Quentin Moriarty
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    May 20th 2017, 9:53 AM

    Government announcement that all who are currently residing in this country must present themselves to a state agency with their passport to receive an identification card by December 2019
    Those without this card by January 2020 or fail to produce it within 10 days after inspection are deported as an illegal alien .
    So Oila Doida Mobubu of the Nigerian gang is booted out head first .

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    May 20th 2017, 7:18 AM

    I highly doubt the guards told him he was a ‘legitimate’ target.

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    Mute joe o hare
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    May 20th 2017, 7:49 AM

    @Avina Laaf: that’s what I thought, then the more you here about the gardai you never know, why aren’t they coming down hard on these gangs.

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    May 20th 2017, 8:51 AM

    @Avina Laaf: A legitimate target? Haven’t heard that phrase since the RA used it to justify murder. Interesting choice of phrase.

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    May 20th 2017, 9:54 AM

    @Cian O Donoghue:
    But he’s a SF councillor – nothing to do with the RA. Right?

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    May 20th 2017, 11:08 AM

    @Avina Laaf: Right. Nothing. At. All.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:53 AM

    @Avina Laaf: he was under protection all uve read is true and also a lot worse

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    Mute why not
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    May 20th 2017, 7:48 AM

    The Provo’s were great with dealing with this kind of crime in the past in Cork. Let the Nigerians wipe them out.

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    Mute Joe Bloggs
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    May 20th 2017, 12:44 PM

    @why not: They had this idea that they were the only ones who should be extorting money from people & never liked the competition.

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    Mute Mary Kavanagh
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    May 20th 2017, 11:14 AM

    It’s very odd that while all this mayhem was going on there wasn’t a word of it in the news or on Facebook. I’d have thought people having fingers chopped off would rate at least a mention in some news media outlet.
    This article seems to be just “stirring it”, imo. I’m sure there were plenty of violent debt payment enforcers back in the 60s and 70s when we were virtually a 100% homogeneously white Irish society.

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    Mute Dave Grimes
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    May 21st 2017, 10:01 AM

    @Mary Kavanagh: it was in the news. everyone in Waterford knows which gang this article is referring to.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:56 AM

    @Mary Kavanagh: people lost fingers eyes beating houses burned down threats it’s all in the news real news get off Facebook into the real world

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    May 20th 2017, 7:02 AM

    It’s funny, I got the same email

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    May 20th 2017, 2:39 PM

    Fair play to very brave Councillor John Hearne of Sinn Fein at least he is getting stuck in dealing with dangerous thugs and facing down real live threats. i’m no supporter of SF but credit where credit is due.John Hearne should be elected as a TD soon in Waterford as i’m sure all the current TDs etc from the locality are sitting back now to collect their pensions as Leo is in and the status quo will not be disturbed.

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    Mute Stephen Finn
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    May 20th 2017, 12:39 PM

    i worked with a guy from the Congo he didnt trust Nigerians!!

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    May 20th 2017, 9:47 AM

    “The gang started using moneylending as their primary source of income in 2011 – moving away from drugs. They knew that if they increased the interest rates dramatically then it would be nearly impossible to pay off.’

    No different from the Troika so.

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    Mute Science of beer
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    May 20th 2017, 9:37 AM

    Name these parasites so the rest of us NOT in the know, know who they are.

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    May 20th 2017, 10:33 AM
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    May 20th 2017, 10:35 AM
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    May 20th 2017, 1:01 PM

    @Jack Cassady: Unreal, the article says Gardai raided a halting site. 20 year old with a 2 week old baby has her car attacked with a petrol bomb outside her house….

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    May 20th 2017, 5:14 PM

    @gregory:
    Believe me, everything stated in this article is true.
    And more besides, much more.

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    May 20th 2017, 6:07 PM

    @Science of beer: Google Mongo Stokes.

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    May 20th 2017, 6:09 PM

    @Jack Cassady: Yep. Absolutely true. Mongo and his band of merry men are dirt.

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    May 20th 2017, 9:41 AM

    My word Gareth proof read your articles before putting them out.

    The last two paragraphs look like they were written by a drunk toddler.

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    May 20th 2017, 12:41 PM

    @Rock Stoneballs: curious, drunken toddler or drunk toddler?

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    May 20th 2017, 4:56 PM

    @gregory: A curious drunken toddler or a drunken toddler! Or maybe both?

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    May 20th 2017, 8:41 AM

    MAD ! Mutually Assured Destruction ! Let them at it !

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    Mute Mark Walsh
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    May 21st 2017, 3:28 AM

    It’s happened in the USA and it’s happened in the U.K. and unfortunately it’s happening in Ireland
    No control whatsoever on who is entering the country’ no background checks ‘ no garda presence in our airports or ferry ports ‘ we look at the news every night and there is an rise of Immigrant crime ‘ what do we do….welcome them with open arms and the dogooders in Ireland who are mainly bored people or ex teachers will tut tut tut when it all explodes in our faces…..and watch that space it will’ and the dogooders will say it’s somehow the Irish people’s fault for not embracing the culture of those people and intragrating them into our society
    B@ll@ocks

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    May 20th 2017, 6:04 PM

    Just google “Mongo Stokes” to see how bad these guys are. He already got a hiding from the bikers.

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    May 21st 2017, 10:46 AM

    @Cathal Brugha: thanks for the link. After reading the newspaper articles. The guy seems to enjoy some Garda protection with witnesses being turned away and a lack of convictions from the courts .

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    May 20th 2017, 7:31 PM

    Well we can`t say we weren`t warned. If and when they are convicted they must be deported.

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    May 20th 2017, 7:34 PM

    The Nigerian princess want s her money back

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    May 20th 2017, 2:37 PM

    I take any news like this with a pinch of salt… but I do find in every society there’s good and bad eggs. You need to be tough imo. multiculturalism yes, but be firm .

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    May 21st 2017, 1:31 AM

    @Steve Toner: why multiculturalism yes?

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    May 21st 2017, 10:13 AM

    Pure dirt … and the police are doing what ???? Oh we will get back to you ,,,, these gangs and drugs are destroying families every single muppet who sells of threatens a person should be brought out and beaten within an inch of there life…..

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    May 21st 2017, 12:27 PM

    Isn’t Waterford a county in Kilkenny????

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    May 21st 2017, 12:56 PM

    Ruhama have this linked from their twitter as justification for their ongoing persecution of sex workers. So, just for them:

    * A lot of women sell sex to pay off all kinds of debt that *THEY HAVE NO OTHER WAY TO PAY* prosecute their clients and they have no way to pay at all, so BAD STUFF HAPPENS
    * A lot of women sell sex rather than resort to illegal moneylenders. Prosecute their clients and they have not alternative to illegal moneylenders left, so BAD STUFF HAPPENS.

    All of the above has been confirmed over and over again by Ruhama affiliated research since the 1990s…yet knowing that they threw everything ate doing the harm anyway, and throw their (now vast) resources at gloating over the harm they have done since.

    May God forgive them, for I cannot.

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    May 21st 2017, 2:30 PM

    Look on the bright side, the Nigerians actually stopped these idiots from continuing their reign of terror, also people need to remember that if you willingly take drugs then you should be able to deal with the consequences, drugs are not free.

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    May 20th 2017, 10:16 PM

    There is a God after all…

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