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RTÉ accused of neglecting child safety in war of words with Tusla ahead of Hyde and Seek exposé

The RTÉ documentary about the Hyde and Seek chain was broadcast on 24 July.

TUSLA ACCUSED RTÉ of not prioritising the welfare of children during a war of words in the days before an exposé into practices at a Dublin creche chain aired, new documents show.

The RTÉ Investigates programme ‘Creches, Behind Closed Doors’, which was broadcast in July, found instances of poor staffing, breaches of fire safety and rough handling of children at three creches operated by Hyde and Seek over four months this year.

The revelations came about after undercover reporters, who were garda vetted by RTÉ and had appropriate qualifications in childcare, were hired by Hyde and Seek and had hidden cameras placed on them as they carried out their duties at the creches.

RTÉ launched the investigation after it heard from concerned parents who had raised issues about the standards of care in Hyde and Seek creches with Tusla.

It also came after the broadcaster learned that one of the creches involved in the documentary operated for more than a year without registering with Tusla, which is against the agency’s regulations.

The documentary aired on 24 July and led to Hyde and Seek owner Anne Davy’s resignation, while representatives from Tusla were subsequently called before an Oireachtas committee to answer questions about the regulation of early childhood services.

Emails released under the Freedom of Information Act, seen by TheJournal.ie, now reveal the heated exchanges between Tusla’s director of quality assurance Brian Lee and RTÉ ahead of the airing of the documentary.

Tusla role ‘impeded’

The correspondence began when investigative journalist Aoife Hegarty contacted Tusla on 15 July to seek responses to a number of allegations about Hyde and Seek.

On 19 July, Tusla responded to Hegarty, telling her that the agency was not able to comment on individual cases because doing so could limit any investigations it was already pursuing.

However, subsequent correspondence on the same date from Lee to the broadcaster’s corporate health and safety manager, Andrew Dunne was the first in a series of fraught exchanges between the agency and RTÉ.

In an email to Dunne, Lee began to ask RTÉ whether it would share information about Hyde and Seek before the airing of the documentary.

He also demanded to know why revelations about Hyde and Seek uncovered during the production of the documentary were not passed on to the agency.

“Why hasn’t this information been shared with Tusla as both the regulator of the early years services and the state agency for child protection?” he wrote.

After receiving no reply from Dunne, Lee escalated his queries to RTÉ Director General Dee Forbes on July 22, when he asked whether the RTÉ Investigates team had access to experts or advice about child protection during the making of the documentary.

He also claimed that RTÉ’s lack of response until that point was “impeding” Tusla in performing its regulatory duties.

“As previously advised, it is imperative that RTÉ give immediate priority to responding to my correspondence dated 19 July, 2019,” he said.

A subsequent response from Doyle on the same date confirmed that the documentary makers had access to “very qualified and experienced care experts at all times”, and that the team had spoken to parents “to minimise any anxiety” concerning their children.

Researchers directed to prioritise children

In another email on 22 July, Managing Director of RTÉ News Jon Williams told Lee that the broadcaster took its child protection responsibilities “extremely seriously”.

He hit back at a claim by Tusla that RTÉ did not prioritise the well-being of children who attended Hyde and Seek.

Said Williams:

At no point did RTÉ “put the safety and wellbeing of children ahead of the production of a television programme” as you suggest…
The researchers were directed, at all times, that the children in their care were to be their first priority.

He also took aim at Tusla’s process for dealing with complaints, telling Lee that the RTÉ Investigates team was approached by parents who felt that concerns they had raised with the agency “were not taken seriously and did not appear to be addressed”.

Williams justified his decision to hire undercover reporters as a matter of public interest, suggesting that Tusla’s inspection process was inadequate to deal with the concerns raised by parents about Hyde and Seek.

“The issues they raised are issues that may not even be identifiable via an announced or unannounced TUSLA inspection – going ‘undercover’ was a decision taken in the public interest of potentially vulnerable young children,” he said.

‘Not best served’

Lee subsequently sent another email response to Dee Forbes on 22 July, when he informed the broadcaster of its responsibilities to report any concerns about the well-being of children to Tusla.

He hit out at the broadcaster’s child protection policy, saying it was “majorly non-compliant” with the Section 11 of the Children First Act 2015, which requires certain services to have appropriate child safeguarding statements.

Calling for RTÉ to update its child protection procedures, he said:

The actions of RTÉ during this investigation have not best served the safety and wellbeing of the children attending these services…
I respectfully suggest that you would seek assistance of an appropriately qualified person or organisation to assist you review RTÉ’s current child protection practices and without delay put in place procedures that are congruent with the Children First Act 2015.

Responding to Williams’ comments, Lee also defended Tusla’s inspection system, saying it had assessed all of the information it received from parents regarding Hyde and Seek and referred them to the Tusla social network department when necessary.

He refuted Williams’ claim that the concerns of parents about Hyde and Seek were not taken seriously, insisting that Tusla assessed and acted on every issue that was raised with the agency.

“Failures to comply with directions of the Early Years Inspectorate is the responsibility of the provider alone, such failures are fully pursued by Tusla, again within our remit and authority,” he added.

The documentary aired two days later, before Lee appeared before an Oireachtas Committee to answer questions about Tusla’s inspection regime on 31 July.

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    Mute Honeybee
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    Dec 20th 2018, 2:43 PM

    Absolutely disgraceful treatment of people under going life saving treatment, Simon Harris should be ashamed of his policies targeting those with so much worry and ill health.

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    Mute D H
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    Dec 20th 2018, 2:52 PM

    @Honeybee: They’ll soon be sending in the security firms from the North to collect

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    Mute Shawn O'Ceallaghan
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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:29 PM

    @Honeybee: they could just pay?

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    Mute Chin Feeyin
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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:30 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: have you not heard? Everything should be free. Everything.

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    Mute Seamus G
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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:54 PM

    @Honeybee: so if you have cancer you don’t have to pay your bills? No evidence of these non-payers enaging with the HSE and claiming hardship which would get a sympathetic ear. Debt collector letters are only issued where people don’t engage but cue the usual clueless outraged here

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    Mute Isabelle McShane
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    Dec 20th 2018, 6:01 PM

    @Seamus G: I have no problem paying for my chemo. I had 6 weeks of it but when I was on week 4 I got a call from the debt collector so please don’t think cancer patients don’t want to pay but believe me when you have chemo once a week and radiation 5 days a week paying a bill comes way down on the list of stuff to do. All we ask is a little understanding and give us time to pay the bill before we get calls from the debt collector.

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    Mute Pixie McMullen
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    Dec 20th 2018, 7:32 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: , @ Chin feeyin – People who are being treated for cancer generally have to stop work, especially for Chemo, where are they supposed to find the money to pay for life saving treatment when there is no money coming in from work?
    Surely at the very lest these bills should be held back until AFTER the person is able to return to work and earn the money to pay for there life saving treatments – 2 absolute gobshytes, who in your rush to ridicule, completely forget to be human, Fair play lads.

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    Mute Denis McClean
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    Dec 20th 2018, 9:26 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: They have. Their taxes built the hospitals and pay medical personnel, cleaners, administrators and doormen alike. Under a humane form of government, such as one with a socialist aspect, private medicine is optional, since that is not funded by taxes but here, you are likely to get treated by the same medical professionals whether you go with a medical card or private. It’s called eating everyone’s cake.

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    Mute Patricia Kennedy
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    Dec 21st 2018, 7:54 AM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: You obviously don’t pay attention if someone is receiving chemo most likely they are not working and are very ill adding a cost to that beyond caring. Please don’t make thoughtless statements

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    Mute Jonathan Kerr
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    Dec 20th 2018, 3:10 PM

    I honestly thought cancer care was free in ireland. Im ashamed its not.

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    Mute ed w
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    Dec 20th 2018, 3:31 PM

    @Jonathan Kerr: no hospital treatments are free there is a day rate you pay upto a max of 800 euro per year and they bill you quick once you’re out even if you’re not working.
    I’ve even been charged for half a day for a colonoscopy.
    You can write it off against the lower rate of tax so you get a bit back that way.

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    Mute Gulliver Foyle
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    Dec 20th 2018, 3:37 PM

    @Jonathan Kerr: it’s abhorrent that state funded hospitals can constitutionally chase fees from citizens. these hospitals are fully owned and operated by the state (with the horrid “ethos” that parisitically infects schools as well), and as such, in lieu of universal health, get their act together to manage themselves on state funds, and be explicitly barred from debt collection.

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    Mute Chin Feeyin
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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:31 PM

    @ed w: yes, but Medical Card holders pay nothing.

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    Mute Chin Feeyin
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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:37 PM

    https://www.irishtimes.com/…/medical-cards-what-do-they-give-you-and-how-do-you…
    Sep 12, 2017 – The number of medical card holders has grown rapidly in recent years, up from about 1.2 million in 2012 to 1.6 million as of July 2017.

    Nearly two million if you add in GP-only cards.

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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:57 PM

    @Gulliver Foyle: what a clueless comment

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    Dec 20th 2018, 6:30 PM

    @ed w: Mary harney with ff brought in this stealth tax it was originally sold as a deterrent to stop drunks coming to a&e should never have being extended to cancer as it causes are prevalent in the environment and hereditary .

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    Mute Shea Fitzpatrick
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    Dec 20th 2018, 7:24 PM

    @Gerard Heery: actually she didn’t. She brought in the A&E charge of €100. Hospital charges have been there since the 1970 Health Act.

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    Mute Howard Myers
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    Dec 20th 2018, 3:57 PM

    Sadly I went through this during my early days of chemotherapy and can attest to the fact that the added stress was unrelenting. These debt collectors chased me as I waited weeks for the approval of a medical card. Nothing would stop them, phone calls and texts almost daily. I understand they have a role to play in securing monies for the HSE but the lack of compassion and understanding was frightening. To me just another example of the lack of joined up thinking in our Government Services.

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    Mute Gerard Heery
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    Dec 20th 2018, 6:39 PM

    @Howard Myers: 100% head up and push over the line with the chemo ,keep pushing for the card that’s what you do in-between sessions of chemo ,let them know your not going away best of Luck and health to you.

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    Mute Fiona Fitzgerald
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    Dec 20th 2018, 9:26 PM

    @Howard Myers: Sounds nightmarish. Hope you’re doing better now and obtained your card?

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    Dec 20th 2018, 11:37 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: Doing OK getting the best of treatment from the world class staff at St. James’s Hospital. Yes got the card………eventually.

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    Mute Kieran Woods
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    Dec 20th 2018, 3:35 PM

    Re: Debt Collection agency

    Debt collection agencies have no powers in Ireland. They cannot take a person to court, they have to refer back to the creditor if the debtor does not pay up after their approaches. They cannot put stuff on the ICB or affect credit ratings. They are basically a big loud barking dog with no teeth.
    If you get a phone call from a debt collection agency, tell them to clear off and hang up immediately. Bin or burn any postal correspondence from them. Do not engage in any way with them. If they harass you call the Gardai.

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    Mute William Bryan
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    Dec 20th 2018, 2:45 PM

    Better off asking Michael Martin is this what FF supports, because FG survives because FF supports them

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    Mute William Bryan
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    Dec 20th 2018, 2:46 PM

    This has always been the HSE and Health Boards of Old way of sending out bills

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    Dec 20th 2018, 4:29 PM

    @William Bryan: While it’s disgraceful, and arguably immoral, to hound anyone seriously ill, it’s worth noting that there are also other serious illnesses besides cancer.
    I seem to remember Averil Power represented the Asthma Society of Ireland not so long ago, perhaps she could also have a word for those with chronic respiratory conditions forced to pay similar fees.

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    Dec 20th 2018, 3:42 PM

    Re: Debt Collection agency

    Debt collection agencies have no powers here. Ignore all verbal and postal correspondence with them. If they harass you call the Gardai.

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    Mute Anthony Gallagher
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    Dec 20th 2018, 6:12 PM

    We can leave the door wide open for alleged asylum seekers, mostly economic migrants put them up in hotels up and down the country and then, on the other hand, hound our own citizens at probably the most distressing times in their lives .absolute thundering disgrace .the government continue to get the priorities all wrong.

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    Mute Donal Desmond
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    Dec 20th 2018, 11:47 PM

    @Anthony Gallagher: Agree , When the government used taxpayers money to bail out the banks, pay the bondholders who gambled and lost, allowing the banks to be exempt from paying tax on their profits. Creating a health system the ensures you pay or die. Every worker contributes to the health service, everybody should be entitled to treatment.

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    Mute dublinsnap
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    Dec 20th 2018, 2:46 PM

    Nothing new with this incompetent government…

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    Mute Dave Doyle
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    Dec 20th 2018, 3:20 PM

    @dublinsnap: This government is far from incompetent when it comes to looking after FG’s prime interests. Ordinary people have to take “personal responsibility” and “pay their way”. That’s neoliberalism.
    In the meantime it’s Free profits for Vulture funds and banks.

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    Mute niamh ryan
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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:15 PM

    Cancer patients don’t automatically get a medical card??

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    Mute Chin Feeyin
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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:33 PM

    @niamh ryan: medical cards are means tested.

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    Dec 20th 2018, 5:38 PM

    @Chin Feeyin: I always assumed certain illnesses would be exempt

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    Dec 20th 2018, 7:26 PM

    @niamh ryan: MC is means tested.

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    Mute Tish
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    Dec 20th 2018, 10:37 PM

    Absolutely disgraceful i had 3 heart attacks in 2006 was in intensive care for more than a week. When i was allowed to go home, I received a bill for my stay and a few days later the threatening letters started to appear. Not right for this to happen no compassion

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    Dec 20th 2018, 9:41 PM

    In recovery now,and back at work tg,and think i should pay the few quid i owe,they the system got me back working 6 weeks after a transplant,only because im able to pay it now,the people who cant cant,let us be thankful for the service we have,couldn’t fault it.(stem cell)

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    Dec 20th 2018, 7:51 PM
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    Mute Denis McClean
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    Dec 20th 2018, 9:12 PM

    Since FFG, this country has been run by elitist parasites for elitist parasites.

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