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A SENATOR HAS claimed that a gay man told him last weekend that the money being spent on the same-sex marriage referendum would be better used to provide free HIV testing for homosexuals.
Jim Walsh, who is well-known in political circles for his conservative views, said that there were better ways to use the estimated €21 million that is being spent on the two referenda taking place on 22 May.
He told the Seanad:
I met a gay man over the weekend and we were just discussing about the referendum and he just said to me: ‘It’s going to cost €21 million to run these referenda and to run the referendum on gay marriage’. He said that money could be so much better spent, in his opinion. He said, for example, if that money were to be used to provide free HIV testing to people who are homosexual, where there’s an increase now in the numbers affected by HIV, it would be far better expenditure of money.
Walsh was heckled from across the chamber after making the remarks.
Labour senator Denis Landy remarked: “Can we stick to the subject that we’re discussing here. We had three days of that already.”
Landy was referring to the debate last week on the same-sex marriage referendum bill which Walsh opposed. His opposition to that bill and the Child and Family Relationships Bill saw him resign the Fianna Fáil whip.
Walsh was speaking on the bill that would give effect to the other referendum taking place on 22 May which, if passed, would reduce the age at which a citizen can run for president from 35 to 21.
The Wexford-based senator had earlier expressed misgivings about the holding of such a referendum.
He noted that the cross-party support for it was indicative of political parties “being afraid to say ‘no’ anymore”.
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I would suggest Jim Walsh’s seanad salary would be better spent building a rocket to launch him into the sun.
Comment of the day!
Put him on a rocket to Uranus i’d say
He could join the North Korean that’s up there on the sun…
I’ll second that…..
Would anyone be surprised if this guy turned out to be gay himself?
I think we should spend money on IQ tests for all seanad and dail members.
He’s officially the biggest reactionary in the Oireachtas now.
Whatcha gonna do about THAT, Rónán Mullen?
Huh? Huh?
The wife?
Such self-hating, rampant homophobes most likely are….hence the zealotry!
HIV testing is already free. Such a well-informed senator he is.
At tax payers expenses is not free
Blessed are the tax martyrs!
How else are services paid for in this country?
Overly and often!
Or a vaccine to prevent gayness?
Or investment in a cure for it?
In your case I hope they come up with an anti-idiot injection.
I think a pesticide would sort you out Glen, shame you failed to see the sarcasm.
No need for a pesticide shot. I stand corrected, coat on and leaving.
Said the man in the orthopaedic shoes..
Said Dan to Alan P.
Walsh probably believes only LGBT people contract HIV! He is a relic of a dying age
They are higher risk statistically
Actually I’m amongst the lowest risk group Thierry
“In 2013, men who have sex with men accounted for the highest number of new HIV diagnoses in Ireland (46%) and this trend continued into 2014,”
And gay women….you know, 50% of that demographic???
I’m aware of that ailbhe lucky you
But you said LGBT people are at a higher risk, when in fact only the G and less tha n half the B are at higher risk. So you’re in fact incorrect.
Is the demographic split down the middle? Or are you making 2 + 2?
Well actually I believe more women are gay, so more than half the demographic
LGBT are not the only people at risk of catching HIV/AIDS, apart from the obvious IV drug users that is. I’ve had two or three HIV tests at this stage, all negative I’m glad to say, as I have a number of unusual illnesses that eventually pointed to a faulty immune system, among other things. That aside I find the Senators comments abhorrent, are we seriously to believe that he’s so naïve that he’ll take any advice from anyone he just happens to meet.
The only possibilities are that he’s lying, well he’s an Irish politician who’s lips moved so no surprise there, or he manufactured a poor lie to cover his own homophobia. In either case he’s proved himself someone who cannot be trusted and should be removed at the earliest opportunity.
More worried about his lies pretending a gay man said it
I blame the Greeks, they invented gayness.
AND democracy, Paul. Those Greeks have got a lot to answer for!
Not a Father Ted fan, Bridget?
They did in their Arse, Paul .
This man was put into the Seanad by Fianna Fáil but he resigned from the party (twice it turns out, most recently on the 25th of this month) and is now “independent”. As someone who didn’t graduate from 3rd level education I don’t have a vote or a voice in the Seanad, but as a tax payer my taxes are going towards his Seanad salary, however small it is, and I deeply resent that.
Graduate from Uni Colette. Plenty of people with Hons Degrees, Masters and PhD’s around that can not vote for them either.
Yeah well I suppose you could look at it as everyone in the country has some representation, even the complete morons
Disproportionate representation for morons.
Indeed, he wants to provide the test for free “to people who are homosexual”. Which is ironic, given that he seems to believe that straight people deserve more rights.
What a nasty piece of work
Ah here
Someone is obviously making a fortune off this as there is no way that any referendum would cost 21 million Fkn euro.
Just let them marry, I’m not breaking my bollox and paying taxes for it to be robbed.
Glen please amuse me and tell me how much a referendum should cost and what you base your figures on.
Honestly I couldn’t say if it should cost 10 million or 30 million, just wondering how you know what it shouldn’t cost ?
Explain to me how it costs 21 mill to count votes.
I don’t know, you are the one who says it costs to much. I already said I haven’t a clue how much it costs. I don’t even know what costs are incurred. But I thought you knew as you were saying it was robbery ?
simple answer is the government are not transparent and not held to account so it will cost what ever it cost.
The cost of referenda are transparent – they’re paid for by the Dept of the Environment’s budget. Here is a breakdown of the cost of each referendum since 2001:
http://www.thejournal.ie/seanad-vote-referendum-1941990-Feb2015/
It costs 21 million because they have to send information leaflets to everyone and have loads of television and radio adverts because people always claim they voted No because they didn’t know what the referendum was about.
Jack they are misinformation leaflets… I’ll bet they don’t include a copy of all relevant paragraphs of the constitution regarding marriage
Do you think the no campaigners include article 40.1 Thierry?
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
Personal Rights
Article 40
1. All citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law.
You are held equal you can marry a man like everyone in Ireland straight people also can’t marry the same sex
Jurassic park, alive and well in the seanad.
Glen, I agree to a point. 21 million sounds crazy !!! Someone or a lot of someone’s are riding off into the sunset with saddle bags full of taxpayers cash.
Cost of producing and mailing referendum literature, cost of closing schools, securing Ballot boxes and transporting them.
Just some of the expenses incurred, but in would love to know what price you all think we should put on democracy
Buck o five.
The cheapest referendum in the last 14 years cost €10.8 million; the dearest €22.2 million. Holding referenda together keeps the unit cost down.
http://www.thejournal.ie/seanad-vote-referendum-1941990-Feb2015/
Minister Howlin is on record in the Dáil last months saying that the Marriage / Presidency referenda will cost a combined €15 million, so clearly Senator Walsh is inventing random numbers in his head.
And random conversations.
Hahahaha! Can’t really get angry at comments like this. It’s so stupid, so ignorant that it goes from outrageous to hilarious. This prat is an unelected dinosaur. Him and his ilk are just petrified that their status quo is inevitably going to disappear. They’re to be pitied. They’re on the wrong side of history.
It’s really hard to believe that of all the sperm cells to reach his mother’s unfertilised egg, this one was the fastest…
He spoke to a gay man and bases his contribution to the debate on one encounter. If the gay man he met was in favour of the referendum I am sure he would have come up with some equally diabolical way to spare us spending money on the referendum. Thankfully Neanderthals like him are almost extinct.
It’s called the scientific method son,Google it
Is it the same gay man Emmet Stag used to talk to?
what if he talked to s gay granny
What a f*cking gom!
You have changed your tune Philip!
What?
First off I don’t believe he had the conversation that he says he had. Secondly, even if he did, so what. If I, a heterosexual man, believes we should stop other heterosexual people getting married does that make it right? No. If one gay man says there should be no referendum and he doesn’t agree with same sex marriage, does that mean we should not have a referendum on the matter? No.
As a Wexford person I’m ashamed of this a**hole. At least we elected the pink shirt. This guy does not speak for me or anyone I know on Wexford.
Dinosaur! Why doesn’t he take the 21 million build a back to the future car and f**k right back to 1950s Ireland.Where “nothing” happened and everyone was a good little Catholic boy and girl.
Wow! I never knew kids in the fifties were bi-gender. Were did they all go?
Wexford based?! Who is this schmuck?
Don’t want to go poking too much into Mr Walsh’s private time, but how come he’s meeting up with gay men?
Maybe it would be a better idea to have your little brain tested. Free STI/HIV tests are already available.
STI is that an engine oil ?
Sexually transmitted infection
And the Senator demonstrates again why we should have consigned that club for failed politicians to the history books when we had a chance!
This guy would be pure comedy if it wasn’t so offensive. I hope people don’t assume we’re all homophobic parasites in Wexford.
From his Wikipedia page:
“In November 2009, Walsh claimed that women working outside the home is a major cause of depression in young people, and also expressed annoyance that he couldn’t call gay people “fairies”.[13]“
I do not believe for one second that a gay man said that to him , they are his thoughts and he’s just using it as a excuse . He so needs to go !
Suzie, did you vote Yes to abolish the Seanad? I did. These people are unelected and don’t represent the views of the people of Ireland. The Seanad is a joke. Complete waste of our money.
Jack , I voted to get rid of it too , total waste of money , they don’t have a clue !
Where are all the idiots who thought they were giving FG a black eye by keeping the Seanad now? Idiots.
Jack and others, there are some very hardworking senators fighting for justice for all – I had the honour to sit in on a Seanad session recently.
Senators Turnhout, Bacik, Power and Zappone were especially impressive.
Talking trough his behind
We so need a Satire based show in Ireland. The likes of Jon Stewart and John Oliver would have a great piece if he was a Senator from the deep south in the states. What a neanderthal.
It’s easy to hide behind Seanad Eireannn and make up complete and utter stupid statements by saying he was asked this by someone else..
I just hope it’s not the same Gay person he was rumoured to have had an encounter with..
He really is just a misinformed, scared little man who doesn’t want the world he has been in for a long time changing. It confuses him. His comments in the Seanad are proof of his ignorance. HIV testing is free in the Matter and the project. But regardless of that I fail to see the benefit of his idea unless he meant use the money to force all LGBT people to be tested. In which case his comments are hurtful, disgusting and kin to the barbaric things done to minorities through the ages like chemical castration and lobotomies in the name of protecting the ‘normal’.
He looks like an old Queen.
Hard to argue with any of what he says
True true, cos you know there ain’t no point arguing with someone so obviously and completely narrow & close minded
Not so much hard as just completely pointless.
Best leave Mr Walsh and his silly opinions where they belong, in the Middle Ages.
Surely “I met a gay man over the weekend and we were just discussing about the referendum” is a turn of phrase similarly to the sometimes over used phrase “It was great to see some people contacting us, saying, ‘Well, I’m not sure whether it was a mistake or not, but I seem to have got extra money in this last payment’ ?
Jeez! Who elects these people! Oh that’s right. NOBODY
He’s clearly not that we’ll informed as hiv testing is already there to avail of free if charge. And if they were overly concerned on wasting €21 million why don’t they just pass the bill like the UK did as opposed to having a referendum.
Graham are the staff who take and test your blood volunteers or in paid employment???
He’s a total idiot
Facepalm!
Wtf is wrong with the people of this country that tolerates MORONS like this in our parliament. This idiot hasn’t the intellect of a dyslexic inbred rat.
Yeah…. The old “I met a guy” or “I have this friend” chestnut.
Wonder if that was the same guy that stopped enda in the street to tell him how amazed he was at his extra 3 bob in his wage packet that week?
And should we go back to referring to AIDS as GRIDS too?
He is a twollox
I voted to abolish the circus that is the Seanad. So much for the reform the rest of you voted for lol
Well said Jim Walsh – the Seanad was worth keeping just for that powerful and absolutely correct statement.
Gays getting married is bonkers and total unfair to children creating a totally unnatural environment if a child is condemned to live with gays in its formative years.
Gays have civil partnership and the only difference that gay marriage will make is that gays will be on a par with normal couples when it comes to adopting children – thats just wrong.
I’ll be voting no.
Gay couples are normal couples and should be treated as such and hopefully come May they will be and we can all move on with our lives.
Except any children who might be adopted by gays – tough years ahead for them poor innocent children being forced to live in a totally unnatural environment.
Imagine two Daddy’s at the school gate – the absolute embarrassment ! Poor kids will be targets for abuse by its peers.
I’ll be voting no.
Remember …… this referendum makes the possibility of gays being allowed to adopt innocent children and force them to live in an unnatural environment with two men or two women who are not related to the innocent child, more real.
If this mad referendum is passed then gays will be considered equal to normal couples when consideration is being given to couples wanting to adopt.
Gays have civil partnership – end of.
I’ll be voting no.
Ah Bill, read a book. Your ignorance astounds
‘End of’ – the argument of somebody that cannot back up their assertions
Bill dee, are you playing the part of a backwards hillbilly hick with below par IQ? You do it so well you deserve an Oscar… I have a vision of a knuckle dragging bufoon in dungarees and a wife beater with a piece of straw stuck in one side of your mouth. One who was bullied as a child and is hence overly concerned about possible future bullying of children.
Bill it’s people like you who will be creating a rough time for kids in that situation. Treating them differently and using offensive language like you have been doing here. Open minded tolerant people couldn’t care less if someone’s parents are gay.
Emmmm the children might !!
I’ll be voting no.
@Demise Grad
Any facts or real stuff to share or is it just prissy name calling ?
You are no asset to the gays looking to get married – yer a big liability with you silly prissy petulant name calling – maybe keep the posts to a minimum annd help your cause unless you got something worthwhile to post eh !!!
I’d be mortified for a neanderthal like you to be collecting me from school.
Ah come on ….surely you can do better than name calling ?????
Try again … get your minder to help you ???
Honestly Bill I don’t usually call people names. I just got so fed up reading your ridiculously homophobic bigoted comments referring to “the gays” that I couldn’t help myself. I don’t think you realise how you come across to be honest. And yes we know you are voting no. Your posts make it very clear. You don’t need to put it at the end every time! You have reasoned with and had it all explained over and over why your argument makes no sense. It won’t stop gay couples adopting. They already will be seen as equal to heterosexual couples with regards adoption well before the referendum. I really would rather be raised by any gay couple than a closed minded person such as yourself. You to me are 1000 times more dangerous to children than a gay couple because of your hateful views.
Have been reasoned with that should read
Bill you could stick your own name at the top of this comment instead of mine and it would be so apt. How ironic!
You bill are no help to the no side. None at all. I reckon any reasonable person would be horrified at the thought of thinking like you.
Truth hurts eh……
I’ll be voting no for the sake of the children.
I’d rather have same sex parents that a complete knob end like Bill for a day.
For the sake of the children please don’t procreate Bill
Tá an Pósadh aon incne in Aghaidh Dlí Dé.
It’s civil marriage you are voting on, not religious matrimony.
Pretty sure it already is free! Clown!
Vote no in endas referendums and force a GE,guaranteed. Think what corrupt legislation they can force through in 14 months if they are not removed, every bit of it will be to keep the people down.
Yeah, let’s play around with people’s rights because you don’t like Fine Gael.
We voted NO to scrap the Seanad. Now that was a waste of money.
This guys an idiot
Ignoring the 56% of HIV cases not caused by homosexual sex.
I would suggest this Muppet do some research – free testing is already available!
James if you think the health care system is free you are indeed the muppet, are you saying the hse couldn’t do with 21 million euro extra
@Demise Grad
Any facts or real stuff to share or is it just prissy name calling ?
You are no asset to the gays looking to get married – yer a big liability with you silly prissy petulant name calling – maybe keep the posts to a minimum annd help your cause unless you got something worthwhile to post eh !!!
I’ll be voting no.
You’ll have to learn to draw an X first.
And bill you started the name calling with “the gays”
They were gay so what can possibly be wrong with referring them collectively as gays……
Bill Another poster explained to you that he found it offensive. He asked you to stop saying it. You ignored him. They are more than gays. You don’t say straights do you? You said gays are not normal also. You’re a horrible person really I feel sorry for any children you have or may have in the future. And god forbid they turn out to be gay.
Amen to the last bit of your waffle !
Don’t call gays gays – what call them straight ???
You guys are bonkers and want to make the world a gay place.
I’ll be voting no. and anybody who cares about society and children will do the same..
VOTE NOOOOOOOOOO.
There is free testing here in Ireland in a lot of our hospital and your Gp cab carry out this test
Anyone can get HIV if they are just too lax a daisy with their health?
Well said Jim,I Agree with you entirely, You seem to be the only Man up there in the Dáil with a Coinscnce,.
I am VOTING NO.
i personally dont care if you’re gay straight or lesbian but i am cheesed off with the gay community ramming this stuff down on people, these action of abuse at people who have a different opinion to you is only doing your cause harm i was going to vote yes to the marriage law but not so sure now , what you are doing is a turn off and it has no logic the leaders of the gay community need to relook at your tactics
So Philip, Should we keep our eyes to the ground and ask nicely? And say nothing when some tell us they think: we are an abomination,we are like paedophiles,we are not normal and go against nature,we want to have children as commodities, we want to set up baby farms and destroy marriage, steal children from their mothers breast/womb?.. The list goes on. It is hard to remain polite when these accusations are levelled at you for being born gay and wanting to be able to marry the one you love. Please don’t vote no simply because you are tired of hearing about it or dislike the way some argue for their side.
Aids is a plague.
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ezekiel 16 : 49
King James Bible
‘Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy’
Pride, greed and inhospitality – not homosexuality!
If you are going to quote the Bible, for goodness sake at least get it right.
Bible
“If a man lies with another man as with a female it is an abomination, they will surely be put to death, their blood is upon them”
Do you need pictures drawn to understand??
Ooh fun! Let’s see… part 1
Regarding the New Jerusalem the Bible says, “But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.”
Rev. 21:27. Also Rev. 21:8 says, ” But the cowardly, unbelieving, [some text adds "and sinners"], abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
The following is a list of things the Bible considers an abomination:Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
Part 2 of ‘Abominations’!
9)Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18) Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God’s house (Dt. 23:18)Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)
But Thierry – if you need pictures (moving ones, even!) try this wonderful speech from the West Wing :
Helen your bible quotes just proved my point… Thanks
Really? I suppose that it depends what you think the point was.
The point that I was illustrating is that the 2000 year old book called the Bible arbitrarily designates certain acts as being ‘abominable’ yet it is only one that certain people focus on, to use it to demean a group of people who simply want to live their lives in peace as equal citizens of Ireland.
The point is that in that same book there are at least three Hebrew words used yet, in the many many rewritings of this book ( which threw out lots of minor books along the way) they are translated as the one word ‘Abomination’ without context
The point is that people submit to and judge others by the contents of this book yet ignore the huge numbers of inconsistencies within its chapters.
The point is that the book is relevant only to those who believe in its content – yet those who believe in a 2000 year old book are trying to impose their limited understanding into 21st century Irish law.
The point is that no sane person would ever expect to receive medical or surgical treatment from a bronze age book – but they ignore 21st century understanding of sexuality, referring instead to that 2000 year old book.
Thierry – your Bible, your religion, your problem.
NOT our law.
Put the man in full power
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Content presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type, or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times a video or an article is presented to you).
With your acceptance, your precise location (within a radius of less than 500 metres) may be used in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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