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Tell me whys
These are the questions John Bruton wants the banking inquiry to answer
Bruton wants the inquiry to focus on the reasons why the crisis wasn’t averted, not how it happened.
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FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has said that the banking inquiry should avoid recovering old ground and focus on identifying why the housing bubble was ignored.
Speaking today at a conference organised by the Irish Banking Federation in Dublin, Bruton urged the inquiry members not to identify what happened, but why nothing was done to stop it when the warning signs were so blatant.
House price bubble
Bruton said that the primary focus of the inquiry must be to examine why nothing was done despite what he said were “obvious” signals that the housing market was overheating.
“House prices were rising far faster than other prices, and even far faster than incomes. Meanwhile, people could get 100% mortgages.”
It was obvious that once that process stopped, and once house prices slowed even slowed down…that you were immidiately in a situation where the 100% mortgages were no longer viable.
He said that this made the idea of a soft landing, a line which was pushed by the Government of the time, “inherently implausible”.
Balance of payments deficit
Bruton argued that the reasons why a large and growing balance of payment deficits was ignored also merit further investigation.
“That should tell you that you’re spending more than you’re earning abroad, and if the money that you’re spending abroad has been borrowed from someone else, well then we’re in a difficult situation.”
Well we were in that difficult situation, and the figures were there for anyone to read them. Why didn’t they read them? Why didn’t they draw the right conclusions from them?
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Political questions
He defended the tack taken by the Government of having politicians rather than economists or other experts conduct the inquiry.
“As politicians, they can ask themselves the hard political questions, not only of the people in charge at the time, but of themselves as to what they would do if they were in the same situation.”
He suggested that politicians are best placed to come up with policy instruments that have to be implemented through the Irish political system.
“What action should have been taken in 2002, 2003…would this have included a property tax? Restricted mortgage interest relief? If that had been done, how would it have been received?”
He said that it was vital to figure out how house price slowdowns and a squeeze on credit could be made politically palatable to an electorate during an economic boom.
Solutions
Solutions that could be accommodated within the Irish political system had to be indentified, so future Governments wouldn’t find themselves without weapons to defuse future crises before they passed the point of no return.
“Given the adversarial and short term nature of politics, what additional institutional supports would future governments need to have to ensure that they give a different answer?”
These are the questions of political economy to which we need to find answers, if we are to credibly say that the Irish crisis of 2007-2008 will never happen again.
He said the inquiry must examine more “profound” issues as to the cause of the crisis, rather than recover old ground which has already been discussed in the Nyberg and Honohan reports into the banking crisis.
“That’s the challenge. It’s a psychological challenge, it’s an intellectual challenge, it’s a challenge to our imagination – but above all, it’s a challenge to our politics.”
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@Anthony Clark: There are no foreign terrorists, years of boiling anger spilled over, the riots go out of control in Almaty and a few other cities.
The government is claiming they are foreign terrorists probably because the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) can only be evoked if a member country is attacked by an outside country, they invited in Russia and a few other member countries in to help with security. The real reason they are there I read is not to police the streets, they are there to threaten the police and national guard so they don’t switch over to the protestors
Calling rioters foreign terrorists is typical of Soviet and post-Soviet dictatorships, they then round up people and disappear them. There may be some credence that the violence in Almaty was a fight between factions in the ruling elite vying for power, but this might be just a wild rumour.
Here’s a description of the riots in Almaty by one of the rioters:
“Hey you all, I’ve made a post about how I couldn’t reach my XXXXXX who lives in XXXXXX. I’ve managed to reach some of his friends and they told me he got arrested. I honestly can’t believe that cause my brother is a very compliant guy, very obedient to the laws and even a bit paranoid about breaking rules. He wouldn’t even want to take me on the back of his bicycle when I visited last time cause it’s not allowed. So not a person I could see getting arrested rightfully. However last time there were protests in Russia they arrested random people too and I’m wondering if anything like that could have happened. … ”
“Sorry man, might be best if you stay away for a while though. Odds are fair you might get picked up just for being related. Good luck to you and all your loved ones.”
“I also fear that a very good friend of mine got arrested. I had contact with him on monday for a short time. He seemed to be fine. But since then nothing. First I thought it’s the internet not working again, but it seems to work in Almaty for some hours each day at least. He flew to KZ over the holidays to spend time with his family. As far as I can tell he was not involved in anything. They locked themselves in.”
@David Jordan: Hi David, you’ll probably appreciate these articles: This covers how Jihadis have been slipped into the country from Afghanistan – which explain the beheadings: https:// thecradle.co/Article/columns/5668?s=09
This refers to close links between the US and the recently deposed ruler, with details of US involvement in biological labs in Khazakstan: https:// asiatimes.com/2022/01/kazakhstan-becomes-toxic-graveyard-for-us-diplomacy/?s=09
If I might quote a line: “Why is Kazakhstan a sought-after partner? Simply put, the country provides unique access to ethnic Russian and Chinese groups as “specimens” for conducting field research involving highly pathogenic potential biological-warfare agents.”.
The Ruling elite have been incredibly corrupt as you say, but they like stashing their money in the West for some reason: https:// http://www.rferl.org/a/kazakhstan-nazarbayev-family-wealth/31013097.html
@Kerrill Thornhill: There were no beheadings. That was an unverified claim from the dictatorship.
“All these talks of beheading…never a photo. I’m not saying they didn’t happen but anyone seen evidence of these? Beheading are very violent and almost wouldn’t fit the nature of this riot.”
“And yet a lot of people believe them without question. Its dangerous.” – Kazakh citizens.
Oh, the ONE biological lab near Alamty, 3 day old Russian propaganda.
“Russia claimed a possible pathogen leak occurred at military lab in Kazakhstan; Kazakhstan denies facility was seized by rioters”
“‘This is not true. The facility is being guarded,’ said the health ministry which is responsible for the Central Reference Laboratory, in Almaty.”
Cant get over the faux outrage on social media/FakeNews media over the numbers detained. This was an attempted coup involving what appears to be a violent element that came in from outside the country. ~20 police dead, >750 injured, government buildings, transport hubs were seized, etc. By contrast in the US, the Jan 6th protest was a protest that descended into a riot. Completely overblown. 1 person killed on the day at the riot (a protestor named Ashli Babbitt) yet well over 700 people were detained, many in solitary confinement for months for walking around the Capital.
@David Jordan: Hi David, you’ll probably appreciate these articles: This covers how Jihadis have been slipped into the country from Afghanistan – which explain the beheadings: https:// thecradle.co/Article/columns/5668?s=09
This refers to close links between the US and the recently deposed ruler, with details of US involvement in biological labs in Khazakstan: https://asiatimes.com/2022/01/kazakhstan-becomes-toxic-graveyard-for-us-diplomacy/?s=09
If I might quote a line: “Why is Kazakhstan a sought-after partner? Simply put, the country provides unique access to ethnic Russian and Chinese groups as “specimens” for conducting field research involving highly pathogenic potential biological-warfare agents.”.
The Ruling elite have been incredibly corrupt as you say, but they like stashing their money in the West for some reason: https:// http://www.rferl.org/a/kazakhstan-nazarbayev-family-wealth/31013097.html
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