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PLAY-BY-PLAY: Nearly there - but FIVE recounts are going to delay the election result proper

It’s been a day of jubilation and desolation, and Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have been matching each other all the way

WE TOOK YOU THROUGH until after midnight on day two of the general election count.

Even after the mammoth number of hours counting, there are still 10 seats out of 158 to be settled. Here’s a brief recap of the state of play come Sunday night.

  • Just four seats separates Fine Gael (47) and Fianna Fáil (43)
  • Renua has failed to win a seat while the Green Party fulfilled Eamon’s Ryan dream of a comeback with two deputies – including himself – returning to Dáil Eireann.
  • Fine Gael and Labour have lost some big names, including Cabinet members.
  • No one knows who will form the next government – and how it can be done.
  • There have been five recounts/rechecks ordered: Dublin South Central, Dublin South West, Dublin Bay North, Longford-Westmeath and Wexford.

Good evening one and all and welcome to the evening liveblog for election count day two.

Cianan Brennan here, bringing you all the action from the count centres for those constituencies that remain undecided.

There’s still lots to come – in truth a lot of seats aren’t going to be decided tonight – but we’ll bring you everything that does happen.

So settle in, it’s gonna be a long one.

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Here’s a selection of some of the new faces who’ll be populating Dáil Éireann come 10 March.

You can read more about all the new faces that will feature in the next government here.

First up is Donegal, where Fianna Fáil royalty Pat ‘the Cope’ Gallagher has been elected on count 11.

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Independent Tim Jackson has been eliminated which could spell trouble for Sinn Féin’s Padraig Mac Lochlainn depending on where Jackson’s transfers go.

If they go to Thomas Pringle Sinn Féin may end up with just the one seat (Pearse Doherty) in a constituency that should be a stronghold for them.

It’s getting tense up north.

This is a very interesting statistic pointed out by our Dan Mac Guill:

Of the five TDs who left Fine Gael over the 2013 Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill, none will be in the next Dáil. Peter Mathews, Billy Timmins, Terence Flanagan and Lucinda Creighton have all lost their seats, and Brian Walsh retired. Conversely, the two deputies who left Fine Gael over local issues – Denis Naughten and Noel Grealish – were both easily elected as Independents.

Indeed there is Barry.

Ok so, there are 23 seats left to be decided, here’s where they all are:

Cavan Monaghan: Two seats outstanding

Donegal: Three seats outstanding

Dublin Bay North: Four seats outstanding

Dublin South Central: One seat outstanding pending a recount (but not a full one)

Dublin South West: No seats outstanding, but there is a full recount on the way from 9am tomorrow

Kerry: Three seats outstanding

Longford-Westmeath: Three seats outstanding

Louth: Two seats outstanding

Sligo-Leitrim: Three seats outstanding

Wexford: Two seats outstanding pending a recount from 9am tomorrow morning

All centres bar Wexford, Dublin South West, and possibly Dublin South Central (we’re not fully sure what’s going on there) continue to count this evening.

Here’s how the seat-allocation is looking right now:

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Fine Gael have slowly opened something of a lead over Fianna Fáil today – currently they’re four votes out in front – 42 plays 38.

If you add those votes up you get 80 – enough for an overall majority.

Life really would be a little easier if the two old foes could come up with a government together. But will they?

Sinn Féin have 20 seats. What happens in Donegal next with the final seat will be very interesting for them – losing Padraig Mac Lochlainn would be a blow.

Renua will now officially have no seats in the next Dáil.

And Labour need one more seat to secure the seven needed for speaking rights in the next Dáil.

There’s still plenty to play for.

Ged Nash has lost his seat in Louth on the 11th count.

Fine Gael incumbents Fergus O’Dowd and Peter Fitzpatrick are returned.

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In Kerry Labour’s Arthur Spring is gone on the 10th count. No-new TDs elected there however. Yet another loss for Labour.

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The Tánaiste and Labour leader Joan Burton earlier spoke to RTÉ’s Six One News about where it all went wrong for her party.

“Well it’s been a very difficult election for the Labour Party,” she said.

We’ve lost a lot of very good people. The people have recognised that progress has been made but they don’t want Labour in government.

A government will have to be formed. Those parties that have got the votes are now going to have to step up to the plate and look to provide a stable and secure government.

Asked on her own future as leader Burton said she wouldn’t “be saying anything at this point in time until we see all the results”.

Until a new government is formed the existing government will stay on in a caretaker capacity, with the Taoiseach and me as Tánaiste.

I hope that happens in a reasonably speedy timeframe. We’ll know the final outcomes from the election by lunchtime tomorrow I think.

Now we turn to what parties the people have voted for. They need to be able to get a stable government out of this election.

I remain on as Tánaiste until a new government is formed, I won’t be making any decisions in relation to anything until we know the outcomes and until a new government is formed.

She said that “if nothing has been agreed by 10 March we may be asked by the president to carry the current government on in a caretaker capacity”.

What happens next with Labour will be a matter for the members of the Labour Party, we have a longstanding tradition of one member one vote in this party, we’ll see what they have to say.

Who doesn’t love a wild celebration? There’s been a fair few over the course of this weekend. Here’s a few of them to savour.

All videos by Órla Ryan and Hugh O’Connell.

The results of Dublin Bay North’s tenth count are in… and Sinn Féin’s Mícheál Mac Donncha is out.

But no-one new has been elected. This constituency just doesn’t want to be decided does it. Richard Bruton remains the sole candidate to be re-elected at this stage.

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Things are insanely tight as you can see. It’s looking a little rosier for Aodháin Ó Riordáin though – can he become the magic seventh elected TD for Labour?

As regards the final two seats… well your guess is as good as ours, but it looks like being two from Finian McGrath (Ind), John Lyons (AAA-PBP), Tommy Broughan (Ind), and Averil Power (Ind).

To Cavan-Monaghan, where another two TDs have been elected. And they’re both Fianna Fáil.

Brendan Smith and Niamh Smyth have gotten in on the 10th count, joining Fine Gael Arts Minister Heather Humphreys and Sinn Féin’s Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin.

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That’s all the seats filled now, with Fine Gael’s Joe O’Reilly eliminated.

There are now just five constituencies actively counting – Donegal, Dublin Bay North, Kerry, Longford-Westmeath, and Sligo-Leitrim.

Dublin Bay North in particular is set for a dramatic evening you feel – it’s incredibly tight.

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Our reporter Rónán Duffy is settling in for a long night in the RDS. Here’s the latest on that tight count from Dublin Bay North:

There are six candidates who all have a reasonable shot of taking one of the three seats.
Long-time Independent TD Finian McGrath was looking pretty glum around the RDS this evening, but it’s not over yet.

Junior Minister Aodhán Ó Riordáin is nowhere to be seen in Simmonscourt but he’s definitely in this fight. As are Sinn Féin who have have been trying to win a seat here for years.

Tommy Broughan and John Lyons will be battling for some left-wing transfers with Averil Power potentially swooping in on them all.

You can read all about it here.

A second seat has finally been taken in Sligo-Leitrim – and it’s gone to Martin Kenny of Sinn Féin who inherited a truckload of transfers following the elimination of his running mate Chris MacManus.

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Just the two left to be filled now – and it’s Fine Gael’ Tony McLoughlin and Gerry Reynolds and Fianna Fáil’s Eamon Scanlon in the ring. Who’s going to emerge on top?

Anything Dublin Bay North can do, Donegal can do too.

The drama has just been ramped up to crazy levels – Fianna Fáil’s Pat ‘The Cope’ Gallagher and Fine Gael’s Joe McHugh have just taken seats three and four at the 11th count.

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And so the last seat is between Sinn Féin’s Padraig Mac Lochlainn and independent Thomas Pringle – and after Pringle inhaled eliminated Tim Jackson’s transfers there’s just 74 votes between them. Mamma Mia.

If Sinn Féin do lose out you would imagine they will be kicking themselves for running three candidates and splitting their vote to such an extent.

Not again… there’s to be a full recount in Longford-Westmeath according to RTÉ…

It’s starting tonight though, which is a great thing or not such a great thing depending on how badly you need sleep tonight.

That recount has been requested by Fianna Fáil’s Connie Gerety-Quinn by the way.

This is how things stood after count 12.

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Fianna Fáil’s Robert Troy remains the only candidate returned thus far in the four-seater.

It’s poised on a knife-edge, this one. And Willie Penrose for Labour may not be as done as he feared he was last night – should he inherit transfers from the likes of James Bannon (assuming he himself is eliminated), he could be in a very strong position to take the final seat.

Here’s Pat ‘The Cope’ Gallagher’s victory jig from Donegal.

And doesn’t he look happy.

Video courtesy of Highland Radio.

Kerry is done and done.

Fine Gael minister Jimmy Deenihan has been eliminated on the 11th count, and Fine Gael’s Brendan Griffin, Sinn Féin’s Martin Ferris, and Fianna Fáil’s John Brassil are all elected to join the brothers Healy-Rae in Dáil Éireann.

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It’s a bit of a result for Martin Ferris in particular – a recent poll had suggested that he wasn’t polling too well coming up to the election.

It’s a sad end though to 29 years as a TD for former Kerry footballer Deenihan.

It’s starting to look grim indeed for Sinn Féin in Donegal.

After distribution of Pat ‘The Cope’ Gallagher’s surplus there’s just 36 votes between Padraig Mac Lochlainn and Independent Thomas Pringle with the independent with his nose in front.

Now it comes down to the distribution of Fine Gael’s Joe McHugh’s surplus. That’s hardly going to go to Sinn Féin is it? It’s looking very grim up north now for Sinn Féin.

Meanwhile word has come through that Fianna Fáil’s Deirdre Heney has been eliminated in Dublin Bay North.

 

It seems very much like we won’t have a result in Longford-Westmeath tonight after a full recount was called for.

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Michael McDowell and Katherine Zappone looking pensive at Citywest ahead of the full recount of Dublin South West in Citywest tomorrow morning at 10am.

It looks like Fine Gael is going to bring their full legal might to bear in an attempt to dislodge Zappone from the seat she won this morning.

A Healy-Rae cavalcade sounds like an interesting phenomenon:

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We’re hearing that Padraig Mac Lochlainn has conceded in Donegal…

It’s official: Thomas Pringle is elected in Donegal without reaching quota.

Sinn Féin’s Padraig Mac Lochlainn is eliminated. He’s a rarity in this election – a sitting Sinn Féin TD who hasn’t been re-elected.

The party will now have only one representative, Pearse Doherty, in what would be seen as one of their heartlands in Donegal.

In the end Pringle extended his lead, but it was a case of inches – 10,082 votes for Pringle, and 9,898 for Mac Lochlainn after count 13.

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So, how do we stand now?

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With just 12 seats left to play for Fine Gael are on 46 seats and Fianna Fáil are on 42.

In a game of increasingly fine margins you’d have to imagine Sinn Féin will be gutted over what has just transpired in Donegal. They could certainly have had two TDs there, but now they’ll have to settle for one.

There’ll be 16 independents in the next Dáil (assuming nothing changes with recounts).

Labour remain on six seats, one away from the magic number of seven.

But they have at least two strong contenders still standing in Willie Penrose (Longford-Westmeath) and Aodhán Ó Riordáin (Dublin Bay North).

After the Donegal distraction it’s back to Dublin Bay North.

It’s tight as ever – will Deirdre Heney’s votes be enough to finally see Seán Haughey over the line?

Dublin Bay North count 12.

No-one is elected but Cian O’Callaghan has been eliminated.

Here’s a snapshot of today’s talking points after a truly hectic day of counting:

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Social Democrat O’Callaghan will now have his votes distributed, that’s 4,796 votes.

But where will they go?

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Could his elimination be good news for Averil Power?

Sean Haughey still hasn’t made quota, but he is surely safe.

We have six or seven minutes to wait apparently for the next count in Sligo-Leitrim.

And this could be the count that leaves Fianna Fáil’s Eamon Scanlon in a dogfight with Fine Gael’s Gerry Reynolds for the final seat.

This is how things stood after count 13:

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Reynolds seems to hold the aces in this one.

One of the greatest moments of this any or any other election – the election of Alan Kelly to the Dáil as TD for Tipperary from earlier this afternoon:

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Talk about a tension release…

Ok folks, it looks like we’re going to be waiting for a little while longer for the next count from Sligo-Leitrim, so I’m going to sign off now.

Sinéad O’Carroll will now be with you for the rest of the night.

Good evening everyone. As Cianan said, it’s Sinéad O’Carroll here for the next few hours – exactly how many hours, we’re still not sure.

Our reporter Rónán Duffy is at the RDS, waiting on news in Dublin Bay North and you can catch his updates here and here.

We also have eyes on Longford-Westmeath and Sligo-Leitrim where there are still seats up for grabs.

We’re not the only ones pulling all-nighters in the Journal Media offices. DailyEdg.ie has a classic double team of their own - Valerie and Amy - geared up for the most Irish Oscars of all time.

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Áine Lawlor has just told us on The Week in Politics that Fianna Fáil’s Thomas Byrne has already changed his Twitter handle to reflect his new positions.

And indeed he has.

Wonder how long that website will last?

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With just one TD voted in for Longford-Westmeath, there has been a full recount ordered after a request by Fianna Fáil’s Connie Gerety-Quinn.

It looks like they’ll be back tomorrow before there’s any sign of a result.

Here’s the state of play as we stand. Kevin ‘Boxer’ is all but in, just less than 1,000 votes off the quota.

Labour members have one eye on Willie Penrose here and the other on Aodhán Ó Ríordán in Dublin Bay North. At least one of them has to secure a seat to ensure the party keeps those all-important speaking rights in the 32nd Dáil.

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Some context from a local journalist in-the-know up in Donegal.

There was nothing between the Sinn Féin TD and his independent counterpart Thomas Pringle. The well-liked deputy was gracious in defeat, despite that fact.

A weary Bríd Smith has just spoken to RTÉ about the ongoing dispute in Dublin South Central. The AAA-PBP candidate edged out Fianna Fáil’s Catherine Ardagh who subsequently asked for a recount.

Her team claimed there were votes incorrectly filed.

Tonight, Smith said a number of votes have been tagged for adjudication by both sides.

There will be no decision tonight and they’ll be heading home soon, she said, adding:

“Thanks be to God.”

They haven’t quite adjudicated yet, but there definitely won’t be a conclusion tonight – or even the early hours of the morning.

News from Sligo Leitrim, where the count has finally come to a close.

Fianna Fáil’s Eamon Scanlon has joined his running mate Marc MacSharry as an elected representative.

Fine Gael’s Tony McLoughlin takes the fourth seat in the constituency.

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A flurry of activity there from across the country – in the places that are still active, anyway.

Over to Rónán Duffy in Dublin Bay North, where a full recount has just been ordered on the request of Averil Power.

There are just 67 votes between her and Tommy Broughan. 

The returning officer for Dublin Bay North has decided that the recount will begin at 11am tomorrow.

LIE IN!

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Averil Power says it’s been an excruciating count for everyone but feels that she had to ask for the recount given how close the numbers are – and how friendly other candidates’ transfers have been to her.

So, we’re back tomorrow for FIVE recounts in:

 

  • Dublin South Central
  • Dublin South West
  • Dublin Bay North
  • Longford-Westmeath
  • Wexford

 

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So, we have 10 seats left to fill out of 158. 

Not that it will tell us a huge amount as we’ve still no idea what our next government will look like.

It will be an anxious night for Labour and AAA-PBP, two parties hoping to sneak past the seven TD mark to ensure they have speaking rights in the Dáil.

Labour need one of Willie Penrose or Aodháin Ó Riordán to cross the finish line, while the newly-joined AAA-PBP need both Bríd Smith to be confirmed after a recount in Dublin South Central and John Lyons to come out on top in the so-called Group of Death in Dublin Bay North.

That will be a tough ask. Read more here.

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In other news, Saoirse Ronan has arrived on the red carpet for the 2016 Oscars. And she’s doing the country proud.

Ryan Seacrest didn’t ask her about the results in Carlow-Kilkenny though.

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From LA to Longford…

Longford-Westmeath to be exact. The recheck process is still underway there and we’re not sure if the returning officer is going to continue counting after its complete.

More than likely, she will decide to leave it at that and return in the morning.

But for the moment, they’re still continuing. ShannonsideFM is saying they’ll be rechecking votes for at least two hours.

The check was called after the 12th count on the request of Fianna Fáil’s Connie Gerety-Quinn. 

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Count centres are generally tense locations but when the internet isn’t up to scratch, anger levels can also rise.

So kudos to our colleague Orla Ryan for sitting it all out for two days with grace and charm.

Here’s what she saw over the 48 hours which culminated in chants of Up “Fianna Fáil, we’re back!” And back in ‘Fine Gael county’.

We’re wrapping up here for now but will be back first thing in the morning as the counts continue to fill those 10 final seats.

 

  • Dublin South West will begin at 9am.
  • Wexford is back at 10am
  • Dublin Bay North will be returning at 11am for counting. 
  • Dublin South Central will resume its count at the later time of 1pm. 
  • We’re still unclear what is happening in Longford-Westmeath but will have an update at 6.30am.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:10 PM

    I know a lot of people will scoff at this (who cares etc) but I for one thoroughly enjoyed rte’s kids shows when I was young. I know the tv landscape is different now, but I still think this is a shame.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:16 PM

    Fortycoats was savage telly. I heard that Slightly Bonkers is an Rte exec now, or married to one.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:53 PM

    Bosco was great show, cheesey as it was.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:42 AM

    That’s because you had 2 channels to pick from at the time. You didn’t have a choice but to watch them.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:54 AM

    I know Ben, but we were happy watching them all the same.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 10:20 AM

    Preferred Bosco to Playschool on BBC!

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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:31 PM

    Most young people watch YouTube, Netflix, online content , or they are glued to their smart phone not to mention the hundreds of digital channels to choose from, younger people are more sophisticated a sock puppet in a box & a magic door doesn’t cut it anymore !

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    Nov 25th 2016, 8:36 AM

    @Hugh Mannatee:The first one was Mrs. Burgess in the Snapper.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:14 PM

    Cut the huge salaries tubs.darcy o callaghan finucane Duffy etc.and keep the children’s programme’s.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:20 PM

    Remember when Pat Kenny went to UTV and all the media were saying how big a coup it was, how he would draw in the audiences, how did that turn out?

    These deluded eejits think their big salaries are justified because they’re irreplaceable and a big draw, most of RTÉs big names are wooden and charmless and wouldn’t be missed.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:46 PM

    Demographics play a big, big part in it, RTE is the mainstay for alot of the mid to older generations, radio and television combined. Its not the presenter or producer, its the generations growing up on what station the parents and grandparents watched or listened to. RTE are continually focused on keeping the return customer, but are slowly realizing that the younger generation are well ahead of traditional products that they offer. It will in time catch up and will have all programs independently produced. Then we will have value for money, – the licence fee going to costs of production as opposed to the cost of salary of presenters.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:04 AM

    @Tony Mcgrath:

    Great idea, that will bring in the advertisement revenues alright

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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:29 AM

    Except for Zig and Zag

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:10 PM

    It would make you wonder where all the license money goes. Oh I forgot it goes towards RTEs staffs paltry salaries and pensions.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:53 PM

    Seemingly 12 million of it goes on the RTE concert orchestra. More than double what they spend on their entire internet presence.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:05 AM

    @Paul Mc:

    Very small pensions. All the high earners are self employed

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:15 AM

    @Nick Allen: Don’t let facts get in the way of a blind rant.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:50 AM

    Doesn’t RTE have a massive pension deficit?

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    Nov 24th 2016, 2:33 AM

    Screaming

    I don’t but obviously you do. What a stupid post.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:33 AM

    We are a country that is obsessed with what other people earn.

    Be it public sector workers, RTE, you name it.

    I couldn’t be arsed what others earn, only what I can earn for my family.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:48 AM

    Well when we are paying their salaries via taxes and tv licences I think we have every right to be interested in what they are paid and asking are we getting value for our money.

    Because at the end of the day that does impact what you earn for your family.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:11 AM

    That’s me told Nick Allen. Stupid is as stupid does

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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:12 AM

    @ Ted Logan. Explain how RTE staff (me) are getting paid our wages through your taxes ??? I get paid by RTE, RTE isn’t public sector, I don’t get paid by the government. Also a little FYI, the licence fee money doesn’t go towards paying anyone’s wages in RTE, it can’t !!!

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:16 PM

    Sickens me to pay the tv licence for the utter shite that’s on RTE 1, the only good programmes it puts on are repeats of Only Fools and Horses, and Fawlty Towers. As for Network 2 , that died a death a long time ago!

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:08 AM

    @Breda Jennings:

    Over 10% of the population watch the late late every week. Considering the competition for viewership on a Friday night from other stations that is a really impressive number

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    Nov 24th 2016, 2:35 AM

    Love the red thumbs. Makes you wonder about people

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    Nov 24th 2016, 7:22 AM

    True 10%, but again licence fee going to help pay the fee of ridiculous guests such as Katie Hopkins who should not be given any air time at all.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 10:52 AM

    Glad to say I dont pay a penny towards Tubs salary anymore, a tv licence is not a thing I have had for years!

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    Nov 24th 2016, 2:01 PM

    People are di€ks Nick, people are di€ks.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 2:02 PM

    Why should we not hear what Katie Hopkins has to say Breda?

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:11 AM

    Darcy could do with being sent down the river too.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:22 PM

    Happy days watching pajo’s jukebox on sat morning
    …and of course zig and zag, Bosco etc

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:25 PM

    Oh no couldn’t stand Bosco the whinging voice drove me nuts

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:31 PM

    loved Bosco !

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    Nov 24th 2016, 7:40 AM

    @Suzie Sunshine: Did you really Suzie I guess if we all liked the same things it would be boring….wanderly wagon was another one ugh but my brothers loved it

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:34 AM

    RTE have an apparent select number of regulars who they wheel in and out of radio and TV programmes. These particular presenters don’t come cheaply and present in the same ol’ same ol’ fashion all the time, they are Tiresome boring and one trick ponies who are past their stale date. Perhaps RTE should consider importing adult programmes before altering the children’s schedule.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:27 AM

    Hopefully this move will mean the end of the godawful Late Late Toy Show with all those creepy dancing children with Vaseline on their teeth.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:30 AM

    Never got that. As a kid I hated the singing and dancing. Kids really hate watching “talented” kids strut their stuff.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:47 PM

    They made plenty of stuff I really enjoyed as a child so its sad to see this door closed on RTE. Besides from the Den and its characters I actually liked the Disney Club, Echo Island, Stream and Creature Feature.

    Childrens programming and Sports coverage were the two things I’ve felt RTE always did very well and it’s poor indictment of the organisation that these would be the first things to be scrapped in difficult times. You wonder what sort of sense it makes for their long term ambitions to double down their resources on the over 50 audience and let everyone else feck off to the internet.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:23 PM

    I don’t pay the license fee. I never watch it, they have all the advertising Tv3 and Utv Ireland, have but hey it’s a level playing field.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:10 AM

    @sparky:

    Its not a level playing field. Educate yourself a little about what RTE must do before posting BS

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:16 AM

    @sparky: You don’t pay so who cares what you think.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:28 AM

    @ Nick Allen. what’s your point..I must educate myself on the advertising RTE receive. or my ” tongue in cheek comment”

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:28 AM

    Sparky, you might not pay for the license but you still pay in other ways. For example it costs 20 million a year in general taxation to administer the collection of the license fee and about the same to cover the inspectors. Not to mention what it costs the state to prosecute non payment. Like it or lump it you’re paying even if you’re not paying.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:30 AM

    @Screaming Toddy. I don’t care who thinks what I think but do I care what you think because you “pay”..probably not..

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:32 AM

    @Poole Hyde. Well that means I’m only paying once…correct me if I’m wrong..are you paying twice.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 2:38 AM

    Sparky

    To educate yourself about the facts before posting rubbish. RTÉ is not playing on a level playing field as they must make a certain amount of programmes in the Irish language and specifically cover rural issues that would not have a positive commercial business case

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    Nov 24th 2016, 2:39 AM

    Sparky

    You are starting to sound a tad confused :)

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    Nov 24th 2016, 3:08 AM

    @Sparky. God no… I honestly have no need for RTE what so ever. Their news sucks, their feeble attempts at drama are laughable and don’t even get me started on their sports coverage. Technically though I don’t have a television by legal standards. The law is very clear in that you need a set capable of receiving television signals for general broadcast. I’ve a 40″ inch computer monitor I picked up for 300 euro and stream content not “available for general broadcast”.Granted it’s sitting in the corner of the room like a conventional TV but they can kiss the back of my bollix if they think I’m paying a license for it. Nearly everything is either available through catch up/streaming services, Netflix/Prime or even on YouTube.I kept the receipt as well and it clearly states it’s a computer monitor.My 4g reception is even good enough not to need conventional broadband so happy days.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 1:34 AM

    We will never see the likes of Kevin from Galway again.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:09 PM

    FFFGLAB mouthpiece, should be sold off

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:20 PM

    There’s a clever leftie there. Sell off the public broadcaster. Let me guess, to a private company that will be a mouthpiece for who?

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:23 PM

    If it stops another Ray darcy getting through the net then so be it.Jaysus he’s worse than worse.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:28 PM

    @Greg Kelly. .sell it ta f#ck..won’t make a difference in my life.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:31 PM

    Why don’t they sell off RTE Radio2 and try to get dept of Gaelteach to take over TG4
    Then they would have enough money for children’s programmes

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:33 PM

    Every current affairs programme has a SF politician they must live in Montrose

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:40 AM

    @Dave cullen: The sad thing is, look who came after Ray-they had less of an impact, either down to not being good enough, or no charisma. Francie, Damien whatever his name was. They disappeared.
    But the first two presenters of the Den-Ian and Ray, they hung around. They had presence. Ian is still a favourite presenter of mine, tbh-both he has talent and presence on the radio.

    Ray used to have genuine talent-like, back in the days of The Den, Blackboard Jungle, Jo Maxi, his early footsteps in radio, etc. He was a genuine talent, his listenership would constantly prove a pain in the neck to RTE because he was a rival presenter they allowed to go to another station.
    But boy did he become an opinionated jerk.
    And a twittering fool at times- the PAmela Anderson/ Dean Strang interview, for example- that was painful, both times. I tuned in, on my tv for the Strang interview…shouldn’t have bothered, tbh. But the ‘JAck Nicholson interview’…that was horrific. And he didn’t take blame, he passed the buck, but the buck rested on his shoulders.

    God, he had so much potential…what happened?

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    Nov 24th 2016, 4:14 AM

    @Greg Kelly: ‘Clever leftie’ ? No idea what that means, I am actually right handed…

    Yes, sell off the Montrose Bubble, the inflated salaries will disappear, the propaganda will be phased out

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:35 PM

    Children’s programmes will still be broadcast by RTÉ, they just won’t be produced by RTÉ. I doubt that children will notice the difference.

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    Nov 23rd 2016, 11:41 PM

    @ Ciaràn Masterson…no they probably won’t but who cares about our culture…

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:04 AM

    @sparky:

    When Irish culture is mentioned, people usually think of novels and stage plays, e.g. The Playboy of the Western World, not children’s programmes.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:18 AM

    @sparky: Irish independent programme makers still exist and can make children’s TV so what are you on about.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:44 AM

    @ Ciaràn Masterson. How do you define culture…Glenroe played a big part in my cultural upbringing. .as it did in many of the Irish households. .

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:49 AM

    @sparky:

    Of course, culture includes drama – on film, television and the stage – but my point still stands.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 1:01 AM

    @ Ciaràn Masterson. .of course it does..but you have to remember but ‘maybe” you’re too young to remember when RTE is all us country folk had.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 5:10 AM

    Now all we need is for them to stop making TV programs for older people too

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    Nov 24th 2016, 12:22 AM

    ‘member Jo Maxi?

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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:35 AM

    any chance they’d stop making any shows?? maybe fcuk off so we don’t have to pay for the tripe the force upon us ????

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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:29 AM

    This is disgraceful TV licences pay for content for all of the citizens of the country

    Bring back the den!!!

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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:19 AM

    tv license should be a bit cheaper now so

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    Nov 24th 2016, 5:51 AM

    So there goes another piece of a state asset, over to the private sector a bit more…

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    Nov 24th 2016, 10:47 AM

    More money to pay muppets like Tubridy instead!

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    Nov 24th 2016, 8:35 AM

    Another cost saver, out-source all foreign correspondent jobs. We have Rte reporters scattered far and wide. How many boiled eggs are consumed in Tokyo on a Wednesday morning? Over to our correspondent, camera and sound crew to find out??

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    Nov 24th 2016, 11:26 AM

    They could do us all a favour and stop making Tv shows altogether their is so much rubbish on the Irish channels . When RTÉ do have a good show it winds up on BBC the following year . The biggest waste of money every year is a Tv licence .

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    Nov 25th 2016, 11:56 AM

    “independent production companies”… you mean like Miriam O’Callaghan’s? RTE and cronyism, jaysus I’m in shock

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    Nov 24th 2016, 10:20 AM

    Snotser signing on now. Peaked when he roared ‘f*ck you, deputy Stagg!’. Or was that somebody else I’m thinking of?

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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:34 AM

    Back when Mary Robinson used to be relevant.

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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:37 AM

    Good they were all crap

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    Nov 24th 2016, 9:41 AM

    Who needs it when minecraft youtube is all they watch.. :)

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    Nov 25th 2016, 7:42 AM

    What are we paying a to licence for

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    Nov 24th 2016, 1:30 PM

    The point being the good kids shows are in the past,they were magic. Now rate should just go as if it wasnt for the sport itd just be fine.Gaels propaganda channel

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    Nov 24th 2016, 6:20 PM

    No young person would want to listen their their dribble. I want radio lyric FM to be piped into prison cessl for 3 hours a day to prevent re- offending. Its all boring

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