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Hi all and thanks for joining us for our continuing liveblog on the 2011 Presidential election count. If you want to see what happened from 9am to 6.45pm, check out Part ONE of the blog here.
Now, where were we?…
Hi all, the length of this blog (we’ve been with you since 9am) is getting too hot to handle for those coming to us through their iPhone and Android apps so we’re going to bring this one to a conclusion and start a brand new PART DEUX! Come join us in our second part here.
This just in:
“Dana Rosemary Scallon wishes to congratulate Mr Michael D Higgins on his election as Uachtaran na hÉireann. ‘His wife Sabina and his family are a great support to him and I hope that their time is Aras an Uachtaráin will be happy and successful. I’m sure the supporters in Galway are particularly proud of him at this time’. Dana Rosemary Scallon.”
Now – here’s another result in from Meath West, and no surprise to see that it’s followed the provincial lead and gone for Higgins too, though only just.
- Michael D Higgins 34.4%
- Sean Gallagher 33.5%
- Martin McGuinness 14.9%
- Gay Mitchell 6.1%
- David Norris 5.9%
- Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.7%
- Mary Davis 2.5%
Here, too, is Wexford’s entry to the ledgers:
- Michael D Higgins 36.2%
- Sean Gallagher 33.9%
- Martin McGuinness 14%
- Gay Mitchell 6%
- David Norris 4.8%
- Mary Davis 2.5%
- Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.5%
More on that issue with ballot paper in Wicklow – we now hear that it was 32 ballot papers, with the stamp of Dublin Central, which showed up on..
With Michael D Higgins on track for the Áras – and Paddy Power bookies paying out on bets with his name on it – will people be asking whether a tweet lost Seán Gallagher his lead on the poet-politician? One of the most retweeted notes today comes from @colmtobin who asks:
Dublin North West first count is coming out now – waiting for percentages but it’s Michael D way out in front with 9,709 first preferences, ahead of Seán Gallagher in second with 5,069 and Martin McGuinness on 1,111. David Norris is in fourth there with 2,638, Gay Mitchell on 1,111 (four-legged eleven?), Mary Davis on 915 and Dana Rosemary Scallon on 576.
Meanwhile, Dublin North Central is showing similar colours with:
Michael D Higgins 46.4%
Seán Gallagher 20.1%
Martin McGuinness 11.2%
David Norris 10.5%
Gay Mitchell 5.9%
Mary Davis 3.5%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.5%
The order was the same for Dublin North West, as we mentioned – in percentages of the first vote:
Michael D Higgins 38.8%
Seán Gallagher 20.3%
Martin McGuinness 19.9%
David Norris 10.6%
Gay Mitchell 4.4%
Mary Davis 3.7%
Dana Rosemary Scallon: 2.3%
And more results now… from Cork North Central this time:
Michael D Higgins 46.4%
Seán Gallagher 20.1%
Martin McGuinness 11.2%
David Norris 10.5%
Gay Mitchell 5.9%
Mary Davis 3.5%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.5%
And from Cork South Central, semi-good news for Dana where she doesn’t finish right at the bottom of the poll:
Michael D Higgins 45%
Seán Gallagher 24.9%
Martin McGuinness 14.1%
David Norris 6.5%
Gay Mitchell 4.7%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.8%
Mary Davis 2%
Meanwhile, over in Dublin Castle, TheJournal.ie’s Gavan Reilly is keeping an eye on the international and local media who are, er, keeping an eye on the arrival of any candidates. The complete results of the first count are due there some time after 8pm.
Note the carrier of empty coffee cups on the desk in the foreground. It’s gonna be a long evening…
Co Limerick’s first count is coming in and showing Higgins and McGuinness at the top. WAY at the top according to the local Live95fm news who tweet that Higgins got 14,134 first preferences and Gallagher 12,238 while the next in line is McGuinness at 3,854. Quite the gap there.
Clare has signalled its first count results:
Michael D Higgins 44.3%
Seán Gallagher 31.4%
Martin McGuinness 10.5%
Gay Mitchell 5.4%
David Norris 5.4%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.8%
Mary Davis 1.9%
Those Limerick county results we mentioned break down a little like this:
Michael D Higgins 38.7 per cent
Seán Gallagher 33.5 per cent
Martin McGuinness 10.6 per cent
Gay Mitchell 7.8 per cent
David Norris 3.7 per cent
Dana Rosemary Scallon 3.4 per cent
Mary Davis 2.2 per cent
Excellent tweet from Conor Spackman of the BBC gives a further insight into behind the scenes at a count:
And political blogger Suzy Byrne is pointing out the lack of wi fi in a national count centre for a Presidential election that comes round only every seven years is pretty ironic considering the presence of major tech entrepreneurs at the Dublin Web Summit today:
Luckily, we have equipped our folks at Dublin Castle with a dongle and a bag of nuts ‘n’ raisins. Sorted.
We’re getting close to the overall first count now. Kerry North-West/Limerick, Kerry South and Waterford are in:
Kerry North-West/Limerick:
Kerry South:
Waterford
It’s all go here tonight. The fourth count in the Dublin West by-election had eliminated Ruth Coppinger of the Socialist Party. BUT there will be a full recount after it was found that only 18 votes separate her from second-placed FF candidate David McGuinness.
At last. A bit of drama to count day.
Seems they solved the case of the misplaced ballots in Wicklow where a result is in:
Longford-Westmeath is in:
Some belated, if unhelpful, good news for Seán Gallagher. He has achieved most first-preferences in Roscommon-South Leitrim:
This means Seán Gallagher has topped four constituencies tonight and Martin McGuinness one – with Michael D Higgins topping the others so far.
Carlow-Kilkenny and Tipperary North have also sent in their first count results. Make that five Gallagher has topped:
Tipperary North:
Carlow-Kilkenny:
Michael D Higgins 36.7%
Seán Gallagher 33.8%
Martin McGuinness 12.4%
Gay Mitchell 7.7%
David Norris 4.8%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.7%
Mary Davis 1.9%
Galway West is in – as one would expect of a Higgins stomping ground, it’s a majority for him. If this was the actual overall first count vote, we could all go home:
Michael D Higgins 57.6%
Seán Gallagher 18.5%
Martin McGuinness 10.7%
Gay Mitchell 4.6%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 3.5%
David Norris 3.3%
Mary Davis 1.8%
Gavan Reilly, speaking to Seán Gallagher campaign people at Dublin Castle, says Gallagher is “very philosophical” about how the count is turning out for him. His wife Trish is apparently devastated for him.
Gerry Adams has been spotted high-fiving children who are accompanying members of his campaign team and supporters.
A little earlier, we (fuzzily) snapped him having an on-air chat to Newstalk’s George Hook. We take it no high fives were exchanged:
We are waiting for first count results from Cavan-Monaghan, Laois-Offaly and Louth.
Martin McGuinness was speaking at Dublin Castle. He said that a “strong third” for him in this Presidential race means for Sinn Féin:
Martin McGuinness also said that he doesn’t go into things “half-heartedly” and will go back to work as joint First Minister in the North and “also as the longest-serving minister on the All Ireland Ministerial Council”.
Pic of Martin McGuinness speaking at Dublin Castle from Stephen Kilkenny/LightCurvePhoto:
Another one in now. Cavan man Seán Gallagher unsurprisingly tops the Cavan-Monaghan poll – and Michael D only comes in third after Martin McGuinness:
Seán Gallagher 45.1%
Martin McGuinness 20.6%
Michael D Higgins 19.8%
Gay Mitchell 7.1%
David Norris 2.8%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.7%
Mary Davis 1.8%
The tension was palpable at the Dublin West count centre when Ruth Coppinger of the Socialist Party asked for – and got – a full recount after she looked to be eliminated after the fourth count on a difference of fewer than 20 votes. That’s count Sheriff John Fitzpatrick on the right. Image by Mark Stedman/Photocall Ireland:
Meanwhile, over on RTÉ, Labour minister Joan Burton is denying Miriam O’Callaghan’s assertion that there might have been panic stations when Seán Gallagher came to the fore. The difference between Michael D and Seán was that Michael D’s was an open book whereas Seán Gallagher hadn’t been scrutinised at that point.
And Miriam just said she would be bringing an interview with the “President-elect” after the Nine O’Clock News. She means Michael D Higgins, right?
In the interest of balance, here is the impressive Colette Fitzpatrick of TV3 News at Dublin Castle, keeping tabs on Justice Minister Alan Shatter. Pic from Leon Farrell/Photocall Ireland.
Michael D Higgins is very happy with the “decisive” vote and Seán Gallagher, arriving just ahead of him, said he was happy for him too. He has no regrets about running.
This, by the way, is a media scrum. You can’t see him but Michael D Higgins is in the middle of those cameras there. Image via Gavan Reilly standing on a chair:
FIRST COUNT at National Count Centre, Dublin Castle – first preference votes
Total poll 1,171,762
Quote 885,882
Michael D HIGGINS 701,101
Seán GALLAGHER 504,964
Martin McGUINNESS 243,030
Gay MITCHELL 113,321
David NORRIS 109,469
Dana Rosemary SCALLON 51,220
Mary DAVIS 48,657
Davis and Scallon’s votes will be transferred and they are ELIMINATED.
This is what Michael D Higgins had to say at Dublin Castle tonight (reporting by Gavan Reilly):
Can I say, I must first of all say that I’m very grateful to the media in all its forms for their kindness and their courtesy to my family and to myself over a very long campaign.
I pay tribute to the other candidates – they had a long campaign, they had many good ideas, which I’ll incorporate into the idea of the ninth presidency, which is a presidency of transformation…
How do you feel?
I feel a little overwhelmed but I’ll have to tell you in truth I’m very very happy. It’s something I’ve prepared for – I’ve talked about for a long while.
I am very glad, as well, that it’s a presidency and built on a campaign that emphasised ideas. I hope it will be a presidency that will enable everyone to be part of [it], and be proud of.
I’m out of an ethos of the left, but when the declaration is made I won’t be a member of any political party – I will be a president for all of the people – whether they voted for me or not, and whether they’re young or old, and particularly the Irish abroad who are in my habit to visit….
I think it will be exciting and I think it will be wonderful.
Michael D Higgins says that he won’t speak any further until the whole count is finished.
This was Seán Gallagher and wife Trish at Dublin Castle tonight:
Dana Rosemary Scallon has arrived at Dublin Castle. Did she miss the announcement of the first count – and her elimination?
Bizarrely, the Louth and Laois-Offaly first counts have only been officially declared.
Louth:
Michael D Higgins 36.3%
Seán Gallagher 29.6%
Martin McGuinness 20%
David Norris 5.5%
Gay Mitchell 4.1%
Mary Davis 2.3%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 2.2%
Laois-Offaly:
Seán Gallagher 37.6%
Michael D Higgins 31.8%
Martin McGuinness 13%
Gay Mitchell 6.6%
David Norris 6%
Dana Rosemary Scallon 3%
Mary Davis 2%
Dana Rosemary Scallon has swept in, all smiles. Image from our own Gavan Reilly. She’s moving so fast, she’s almost a blur.
Note: Eugene in the comments section has noticed that my super speedy typing fingers juxtaposed the second and third digits in the total number of votes – it should be 1.7m+ valid votes rather than the 1.1m I mentioned earlier. All other figures are correct.
That full Dana arrival. Thanks to Niall Carson/PA Wire for the spiffing shots:
Mary Davis apparently told RTÉ’s Fran McNulty that the campaign was a dirty one. Doesn’t she say something similar in the video highlights package RTÉ online news have been running today (it was on at the end of the Nine O’Clock News too).
Anyway, she said the end of the campaign was difficult for her. Can’t blame her then for the broad smile she’s giving here as she receives a hug during the announcement the first count tonight at Dublin Castle (Pic by Niall Carson/PA Wire):
Second count has begun again by the way with some figures already coming into Dublin Castle.
Brought to our attention that David Davin Power told Anne Doyle on the Nine O’Clock News that Gay Mitchell was a candidate who seemed to “repel” votes.
Gay Mitchell – vote repellant, it seems – was very nice about Michael D Higgins in any case when he told reporters tonight that he was delighted for him. He also gave Michael’s wife Sabina his blessing as an ambassador in the Áras.
We really are in here for the long haul tonight. National Count returning officer Ríona Ní Fhlanghaile has decided to press on to get the full count finished by tonight. Second count should be available before midnight.
Some victory shots from Stephen Kilkenny/LightCurvePhoto:
And fnally, President-elect kissing alert:
Some second count results have been confirmed – this is how the remaining five candidates are faring with transfers…
Limerick City:
Michael D Higgins +504 votes (brings him up to 50.8% of this constituency’s vote)
Seán Gallagher +355 votes (23.3%)
Martin McGuinness +138 (12.5%)
David Norris +137 (6.4%)
Gay Mitchell +253 (6.3%)
Tipperary South:
Michael D Higgins +523 votes (37%)
Seán Gallagher +438 (35.5%)
Martin McGuinness +156 (13.5%)
Gay Mitchell +230 (8.5%)
David Norris +118 (4.8%)
Galway East second count result is in too:
Michael D Higgins +906 votes (48.1%)
Seán Gallagher +665 votes (30.3%)
Martin McGuinness +259 votes (10.9%)
Gay Mitchell +337 votes (6.9%)
David Norris +139 votes (2.8%)
Meanwhile, Tom Watson has tweeted his congratulations to Michael D.
Who’s he again? He’s the British Labour Party MP who helped bring the News of the World phone hacking scandal to the spotlight as deputy chair of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee. (The one the Murdochs and NoTW former editor Rebekah Brooks appeared before).
This is what he had to say:
More results coming in from the second count. We’re going to try a few ole blobs to make these look prettier. Because it’s that time of night.
Donegal North East:
Dublin South Central:
Bryan Dobson has tweeted to say that 15 out of 43 constitutiences have their second count results in. It looks like they are coming thick and fast now and we’ll at least have a second count in the early hours.
After that? Well, the returning officer will have to decide if it’s time to give sleepy counting staff a rest. We could go all night of course. Oh yes.
This for example, is how exciting it is looking down at the National Count Centre now where TheJournal.ie‘s Susan Ryan has been looking around just now:
Like we said. Scintillating stuff.
Back to the real hive of activity.
More second counts of transfers in:
Longford-Westmeath:
Cork South Central:
Limerick (county):
Dublin North West:
Dublin North:
Meath East:
Laois-Offaly:
Dublin South second count results:
Michael D Higgins +1,169 votes (52.%)
Seán Gallagher +723 (21.2%)
David Norris +295 (10.3%)
Gay Mitchell +596 (8.3%)
Martin McGuinness +196 (6.8%)
Dublin North East:
Clare:
Dun Laoghaire:
Donegal South West:
Cork East:
The head of NUI Galway is on RTÉ Radio 1 with the inimitable Seán O’Rourke. He says that the West is awake (his cliché, not mine) with people with NUI Galway links now top of the political chain – Enda Kenny, Eamon Gilmore, the Attorney General Máire Whelan and… Máire Geoghegan Quinn. And Michael D Higgins of course.
Whatever else, Donncha O’Connell, law lecturer at NUIG, confirms by Twitter that they are very proud of him in his alma mater:
Gavan Reilly is suggesting that the way the second preferences are coming, ordinarily you would eliminate Norris, Mitchell and McGuinness all at once because anything smaller couldn’t plug the gap between candidates. BUT in this case it will only be Norris who is eliminated in the second count, simply because his transfers could push Gay Mitchell to the magic 12.5 per cent which would give Mitchell his expenses back.
Interesting thought. We should find out for sure when the second count national result is announced in the next half hour, roughly*.
*very roughly
We’re up to 30 out of 43 constituencies with second count results in. Looks like the overall count is on its way and a possible adjournment for the night.
Doesn’t this podium shot from tonight in Dublin Castle already seem like so long ago? (Picture from Leon Farrell/Photocall Ireland):
If you’re wondering what’s happening with that full recount in Dublin West for the by-election, Labour Party activist Cathal McCann is tweeting that FF’s McGuinness and Socialist Party’s Ruth Coppinger are “exactly even” after the recount. A further recount or entire suspension is expected. (Doesn’t look like it will make much difference to Labour’s Patrick Nulty’s chances of winning the seat anyway…)
It could be 1pm until the result of the second count of the Presidential election is in. It’s unlikely they will continue after that, but will break for the morning.
We realise that we brought you pics of Mary Davis, Martin McGuinness and Seán Gallagher at Dublin Castle tonight. Gay Mitchell was on the podium in that last one we posted. To make up the sextet, here’s David Norris (Pic: Niall Carson/PA)
The other constituencies coming in now include Dublin Central, Cavan-Monaghan, Kildare South, Carlow-Kilkenny, Wexford, Kerry North, Dublin South East, Galway West and Cork North West.
Dublin West update from RTÉ’s John Kilraine is confirming that earlier tweet we featured that there is a dead heat between Coppinger and McGuinness. Whether they will both just shake hands and give it up for Labour’s Patrick Nulty to take the seat is still being discussed.
While we wait for the final four outstanding constituencies to get in their second count results (and for the National Count to crunch them and give us an overall second count), have a look at some of the headlines being generated internationally by our Presidential campaign:
This one isn’t a news headline exactly – it’s a column on IrishCentral.com by the pseudonymous ‘The Yank’. Ouchy.
TheJournal.ie‘s incoming deputy editor (deputy editor-elect?) Christine Bohan is still holding on at the Dublin West count centre. Socialist Party’s Joe Higgins making a statement but, as Christine tweets, there is still confusion over whether there will be ANOTHER recount tomorrow. More as we have it. (Image: Christine Bohan)
Okay, it’s clear now what has happened with Dublin West. Well, at least with Joe Higgins and the Socialist Party. He says that they will accept “joint second” with Fianna Fáil as it is clear that neither David McGuinness (FF) nor Ruth Coppinger (SP) can overtake Labour’s Patrick Nulty.
Therefore, the Socialist Party don’t want another recount. Although we don’t know yet if Fianna Fáil will be happy to accept joint second.
Brian Greene captured Joe Higgins’s statement on audio here. (via @BrianGreene)
SECOND COUNT results in:
Michael D HIGGINS +29,379 730,480
Seán GALLAGHER +214,437 529,401
Martin McGUINNESS +9,581 250,611
Gay MITCHELL +14,036 127,357
David NORRIS +7,057 116, 526
The returning officer at the National Count Centre in Dublin Castle has adjourned the Presidential count until 9am tomorrow, as no candidate has reached the full quota needed (although let’s face it, we know it’s going to be Michael D at some point tomorrow – estimates are saying early afternoon).
David Norris has been eliminated after the second count so it will be his transfers that will be counted and redistributed.
Oh, but it’s not over yet folks – the counting continues in Dublin West because the returning officer has declared Ruth Coppinger (SP) eliminated. While the recount found her in a dead heat with Fianna Fáil’s David McGuinness at 9, 873 votes each, the Electoral Act of 1992 came into play where it found that the original count of the two’s votes should determine which was eliminated. As that was Coppinger the first time round, out she went.
This is the section:
122 (3): If, when a candidate has to be excluded under this section, two or more candidates have each the same number of votes and are lowest, regard shall be had to the number of original votes credited to each of those candidates, and the candidate with the lowest number of original votes shall be excluded and where the numbers of the original votes are equal, regard shall be had to the total numbers of votes credited to those candidates at the first count at which they had an unequal number of votes and the candidate with the lowest numberof votes at that count shall be excluded and, where the numbers of votes credited to those candidates were equal at all counts, the returning officer shall determine by lot which shall be excluded.
The upshot is that Patrick Nulty of Labour is still likely to take Brian Lenihan Jnr’s old seat after the fifth and final count. Which, like the results of Presidential election, is something we could take a good stab at since early yesterday. (Yes, it IS now Saturday!)
Little tweak to Gallagher’s figure there – inserted an extra digit into the number of transfers he got.
Those second count transfers again so far:
Michael D HIGGINS +29,379 730,480
Seán GALLAGHER +24,437 529,401
Martin McGUINNESS +9,581 250,611
Gay MITCHELL +14,036 127,357
David NORRIS +7,057 116, 526
Roscommon/South Leitrim, Waterford, Dublin Mid West will resume counting tomorrow morning at 9am but David Norris has been eliminated.
Meanwhile, we’ll see if we can’t bring you confirmation of the Dublin West result before we pack it in for the night.
Christine Bohan, bless her, is still pinching herself awake over at the Dublin West count centre in CityWest. This is the blurry-eyed scene over there right now as the fifth and final count prepares to declare victory for either Labour’s Patrick Nulty or Fianna Fáil’s David McGuinness:
We’ve been meaning to give a shout-out all night to Irish Political Maps who have been doing sterling work in putting together Ireland maps colour-graded to show who got first preferences where.
This shows the poll-toppers in each constituency:
See exactly how well each candidate did by clicking on their names… Mary Davis; Seán Gallagher; Michael D Higgins; Martin McGuinness; Gay Mitchell; David Norris; Dana Rosemary Scallon.
We’re told the podium has been set up and a final tally is due from Dublin West any minute now. Promise.
So Patrick Nulty has been elected in Dublin West. Will bring you the tally as it comes in.
The final tally in the Dublin West by-election is Patrick Nulty 17,636 votes and David McGuinness on 11,590 votes.
Although Nulty is 216 votes below the quota, no other candidate will be able to catch him on transfers and so he is elected. (See the full story here).
And with that double whammy for Labour today on the political scene, we bid you goodnight.
We’ll be back at 9am with our next liveblog covering the next stage of the Presidential election count. (The referenda count will begin straight after that final tally is brought through.)
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Well won Michael D Higgins. And Best of luck to you.
I never ever thought I would say thank you to sinn fein, but thank the almighty God above that bang bang McGuinness did as he did on the frontline.
We were rescued from goldfish-memory voters who were taken under the spell of Uncle Fester and his empty rhetoric, supported by the ff gombeens
Thank you, thank you, thank you !!
I cannot for the life of me understand how and why Sean Gallagher has received so many first preference votes. Can anybody enlighten me ? Fair play Michael D, Cannot vote because living abroad.
Hello Don, Fianna Fail haven’t gone away you know!!!!!
No? they are like snakes in the grass !! but things are changing and FFail didn’t get in this time….
Go n-éirí leat Micheal D. An tUachtarán a mbeimid bródúil as
A great day for socialist Ireland – albeit a soft left. But I’ll take anything rather than any more of the civil war politics that has divided and continues to divide my country for so long.
Well said Reada.
Well done Michael D.
What a shame!
After two great presidents in the Aras, it will once again be used as a retirement home for let’s face it a fairly average politician.
Less than half of us voted so I guess we got who we deserved!
He may be a bit a bit pompous, but I defy you to find fault with the substance of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-vCJQ5lLPk
Wouldn’t get it from the gombeens.
@Niall Mulligan. Thanks so much for that link. I gave Higgins my No. 1, and that clip has made me very, very glad I did so. If you get to make even one speech as awesome as that one inyour political career, you’re more than qualified to be my head of state.
Ok then we didn’t get who we deserved!!! Ha!
Apparently Colin voted for SG! I’m sorry but he was the last person for the position!
Guys. Michael D Higgins is now our President so let’s get behind him. I trust he will do a great job.
As an MMG supporter I’m glad the base support has been raised and in time I hope the vitriol will dissipate. This is part of the process, in 15 years time it will be ‘normal’ to consider Sinn Fein as any other party.
pity it will take so long
Right you are Paul, just hope it’ll be quicker than that!
Congratulations to Michael D Higgins on winning the Presidential election, I might think he’s a pompous old windbag, but he has redeeming qualities and got my #1 vote in the end. Commiserations to my #2 vote Sean Gallagher who did not deserve to be ambushed by a hoax tweet as he was on the Frontline on Monday. Very Shoddy work by RTE indeed, and heads should roll.
So sick of the “ambush” talk.
Seán Gallagher shouldn’t have insulted the electorate by running as an independent. This was the dirty trick I’m most concerned with – the mechanics of how he thankfully got found out by the wider public aren’t really relevant.
Martin McGuinness , PAt Kenny & Glenna Lynch (the ordinary mother & business woman from Stillorgan who tackled Gallagher on the frontline ) should be awarded merits from saving this country electing a Bertie type character to the office of President ……
Niall, the mechanics certainly ARE relevant. No candidate should be ambushed like that. Basic Journalistic ethics.
No, they aren’t.
If you try to pull the wool over people’s eyes, you can’t complain when you get caught out. It doesn’t matter how it happens.
Niall, it was an unverified hoax tweet!! Of course it matters!!
What a ridiculous defence.
His reaction to the said “unverified tweet” showed that he had plenty to hide. If the allegations weren’t true in substance – as they were subsequently shown to be – he would easily have batted it away. He acted like a child who’d been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, because essentially he had.
As it happened, Morgan did give a statement the next day, albeit through a solicitor, so the tweet turned out to be substantially true. Please,
Stop trying to paint him as a victim.
Stop trying to distract attention from Seanín’s embarrassment by retreading old attacks on the Sinners.
He lied to the Irish public.
Fianna Fáil tried to make suckers of us all, yet again.
This is without even getting into the substance of how Seánín’s story reveals the basic rottenness at the heart of the Fianna Fáil machine.
Actually, the Colm Tobin tweet that I’m really concerned about it this one:
“Reports of Fianna Fail supporters shouting “We’re back, we’re back!” in Dublin West. It’s like Return Of The Idiots.”
I sincerely hope that this won’t be forgotten come the general election, having had the satisfaction of putting a ballot-shaped bullet in the back of Seán’s bald head, I very much look forward to putting another nail in Fianna Fáil’s coffin.
DJ, give me an honest answer here, should political ethics not outweigh journalistic ethics in the grand scheme of things?
Get over it! Gallagher lost due to his own weakness and dishonesty . Well done to Michael D , He got my 2nd vote , I am very happy for him , his wife and his family :)
Let’s hope the old guard in SF will now retire and let the young, clean, non terrorist come up the ranks of the party. The country has sad no to McGuinness and yet Mary Lou is seeing it as a victory. TAKE OFF THE BLINKERS. I’ll never vote SF.
That’s your view but the old guard as you put it in Sinn Fein well out polled the Fine Gael candidate the so called most popular party in the country so the Old Guard in Sinn Fein must be doing something right
what about the old guard in fine gael will they go away after less then half of mmg
Some people will just never vote Sinn Fein. Full stop, no matter who the party members are.
gotta love the ignorant comments on here re ff or sg….he attracted non ff voters too. red c poll shows that to be a fact….
fact is he got 500000 votes…..i didn’t vote for him but to class all half million voters as ex ff idiots is just dumb…..
to encourage these ppl to vote otherwise will take intelligence … not abuse straight out of the fox news school of journalism.
You have a definite point there, Tommy. I hope that my posts haven’t been in the realm of abuse, I really don’t intend it that way.
The strong language is due to the fact I’m still extremely angry at Gallagher and Fianna Fáil. I just think it’s an insult of the worst possible kind for the party to run a candidate under false pretences. Is this all the respect that they have for us?
But you shouldn’t confuse my contempt for the party machine with contempt for their voters or supporters.
Well said Niall . I feel the same way myself . It’s the FF machine and the hierarchy in that party who annoy me . I do not under stand what they have to offer any of us as a nation , they have dragged us into the depths of a recession and still theydeny deny deny. FF has no sense of fair play or shame. Why do people vote for them ?
FG reminded the country of the pedigree of McGuinness. Lying Terrorist. Do you believe he doesn’t know or couldn’t fine out who robbed the northern bank or who murdered the guard and the Irish solider. Or were are the missing are buried. he is living in the past. Sure I want a united Ireland and you could bet your house that the British would love to hand it back. But we could never afford it even at the height of the tiger years
In Fianna Fáil’s Ireland, bank robs you.
Just sayin’.
Torpedo , Lying Candidate you tweet ? are you referring to Sean Gallagher? in the court of public opinion the jury voted & removed the honour of the office of president from the candidate Sean Gallagher.
now that the election is over can we all think of the future of this country instead of rehashing history . We have a president who wont let us down. Thats all we want isn’t it? maybe not the right forum for this , but I would like for everyone on this site to spare some time and consider what it means to be Irish and the sacrifice a true Irish patriot made, by giving his own life to save others, R.I.P Ciaran Jones
What a relief. Last few days have been a nightmare as I worried that Ireland was going to choose a speculator over a socialist.
Delighted Michael D is our new president. I can breath again.
phew. your not the only one
Sean Gallagher represented everything Fianna Fail & we’ll hear & read more about this man in time to come ….. just like we’ll read & hear the conclusion of Judge Mahon’s tribunal on FF leader Bertie……Gallagher’s. 504,964 Just listened to Christy Moore on RTE describe the sigh of relief when he heard it was Michael D that won the office of President that summed up my feelings when I heard the results wonder how the 504,964 voters feel
The link to part one won’t work in your iPhone app!
Hi there – I’ve re-established there – do you want to try now? If not, if you go back to the home page and scoot down a little bit, you’ll find part one still there to open and read. Cheers, S
No, the link still doesn’t work, but found part one on the main page. Thanks!
Can I suggest that the Journal take a stand and never quote the Irish Central again. Sensationalist headline that’s getting ripped apart elsewhere online. Seriously, you’re better than that. Don’t promote this rubbish.
Top comment on the article from Reddit sums it up: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/lsdur/elected_michael_d_higgins_irelands_most/c2v8bid
Showing headlines that are knocking around outside of Ireland tonight don’t constitute an endorsement from us John…
Wall street journal, Routers, some crappy blog. There’s an odd one out there.
My point is you’re better than that. I feel you should promote this kind of rubbish – If it was the wall street journal I’d get what you’re saying but you know this is tripe.
This isn’t an attack on this site, or yourself BTW. It’s late, so please don’t take it personally. Your coverage of the campaign has been excellent. Just offering some constructive criticism. I wouldn’t give the IC the time of day after that kind of article.
The comments underneath are our new president’s favour. They’re not as bad as their media might like us to believe. Thanks for the link. Omg I’m so happy Michael d won.
I really don’t understand the mentality of some of the people on here who are so insulting and mean minded in their attitude towards Sean Gallagher, he never committed a crime, he never held a gun to anybody’s head demanding money for FF, ok he should have dealt with the whole fundraising issue when it arose better but I’m sure he knows that himself now. Lots of people join political parties and leave them, Pat Cox was a member of FF I think years back, then he joined the PDs, he joined FG recently hoping for a nomination for the Presidential election, tisn’t a crime to be a member of a political party. Sean Gallagher I’m sure joined FF when he was a young man believing it was the right thing to do. Most ordinary party members have no hidden agenda except that for whatever reason they believe the party they support is the correct one for them, listening to people here you’d think he had been a member of the Mafia or such like. What people need to realize is that 504,964 people gave him their no . I doubt if all those people are stupid idiots. I voted for him because I felt he was most suited for the job. If you look at all the candidates none of them except Michael D escaped the wrath of the media, no point in going back over it all again but for me Martin McG & David N are the 2 that I would least want to see winning because of both their pasts. Michael D is a nice man I’m sure but then again he got an easy ride from the media for some unknown reason or maybe he is squeaky clean although to be honest I don’t know of anybody who goes through life totally free of any wrongdoing. Anyway I wish him and his wife well in the áras. I also wish Sean Gallagher & Trish well in whatever road they take after this and I honestly think it is time for people to realize that over half a million of us are not to be sneezed at, it is a democracy after all and we are just as entitled to respect as anybody else regardless of our political beliefs.
Mary, the point is that he is still Fianna Fáil to the bone. He was still collecting money only a couple of years ago. I don’t believe that he’s ever resigned from the party, open to correction on that one.
But I am certain that he lied about it consistently, and then he was caught out he changed his position. It’s a disgrace, and an insult to the Irish people.
This is without even starting on:
” listening to people here you’d think he had been a member of the Mafia or such like”
Well, he pretty much was. Have a look at the details of his career. He basically spent it miking his Fianna Fáil connections.
Mary,
I think you’ll find Niall is from Galway. It’s worth keeping that in mind when you read his comments about Sean Gallagher. Several pinches of salt may be required!!
Is the wrong answer. Try again.
Primarily I’m a citizen who’s sick of being lied to and treated like a fool by cute hoors and gombeen men.
Don’t let yourself down Niall, whatever ff done and they did send us down the swanny they never used the bullet, strong language, mc Guinness never worried about the envelope his people just by passed it.
Our state was born out of political violence, was it not?
Maybe you’re a radical pacifist, in which case I hope your positions on, say, Barack Obama or David Cameron are equally strident to those you espouse with regard to Marty.
Or maybe you can live in the real world. Nobody’s asking you to vote for him, but at the same time droning on about his terrorist past isn’t enough these days – it’s about time that SF’s policy positions were addressed on their merits, without hysteria.
GREAT JOB SUSAN AND ALL AT JOURNAL.ie
SORRY TO ADMIT THAT I’M NEW TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THAT BUT I FIND IT WEIRD THAT PEOPLE DISLIKE MY POST ,WHICH WAS HEART FELT . WEIRD THEY DIDN’T COMMENT/??
Brian. Don’t worry. Some people just red thumb everything they read. Gives them a sense of Neroism I guess. There’s a thread re Garda Ciaran with a lovely poem that will bring a tear to your eye if you know any gardaí.
Not writing in all caps is a good start :)
I guessing it’s because you went off-topic. Comments are meant to add to article and generate discussion. Yours trailed off there a bit.
Also never complain about red thumbs. People hate that.
Don’t worry about it Brian. Some people downvote just for the hell of it, some because they don’t understand you, some because they disagree with you and think downvoting will help shape public perception.
I think your total vote (1.1 million) might be out. I’m seeing 1.7million roughly.
You’re absolutely right Eugene – in my speedy typing to get the result in, I juxtaposed the second and third digits of the total vote. I’ve just double-checked the other numbers with our man on the scene there and they’re correct. Thanks for that – will post a note in the blog now!
No bother. I appreciate the effort you’re all putting in – it’s great to be able to follow the progress from overseas.
Great to have you on board! I’ll post some more pics now so you get some more sense of the scene here in Dublin at the National Count Centre.
Well it looks Like its official Irish people dont know there ass from their elbow Imagine Putting an Old Man as head of the country and its a Doddery old man at that .A case of politics before sense .he knows nothing about Business
Do you have some sort of a problem with older people? Ever heard of experience and wisdom coming with age? Ask the arts and cinema industry about Mike D’s commitment to enterprise and openness to innovation and new ideas. You might learn something from the old man.
Martin, Seán Gallagher’s idea of “business” mainly involves milking his political connections – tbh, I’d say Michael D knows more about real business, making and creating, than Gallagher.
Sorry your guy lost, but I think you should give Michael D a chance, he’s a good man.
fair enough niall…..but then i presume the ff machine asked gaybo to run after sg ran as an independant as an extra smokescreen???
u have every right to feel angry towards ff…. i just think the off the cuff comments by some on here……like the electorate are idiots for voting sg are stupidity at best….
and the funny thing about it… is that the sinn fein ppl on here are the first ones to throw the comments at the very people they are trying to presuade to vote for them rather than ff……. when are sf going to realise they won’t be a success down south unless they Hoover up the ff vote…… and while mc’guinness on frontline did the right thing in the short term for the presidency .. for his party he just created a bigger rift between them and his potential following.
Gaybo? That seems like years ago. They did also have Mary Davis, although she’s not so much of an apparatchik as Gallagher. I think that they did try to cover a few bases, but it’s abundantly clear that Gallagher is a fully committed Fianna Fáil man. Cannot be denied.
Tbh, I’m a Labour leaning agnostic more than anything else, would hope that the party could develop a brand of 21st century socialism to reach out to FF supporters.
You’re probably right about Marty, although I think he’s done the party no real harm in this campaign. I have a feeling that he may well have gotten more first preferences if people didn’t feel the need to choose Michael D so as to ensure that Gallagher wasn’t to get in.
Of course, there will always be people who will never countenance voting SF, and I think that’s understandable, but I would hope that we’re at the point where debate will begin to move beyond “thug, terrorist, MURDERER” hysteria. In 2011, they’re a peaceful, democratic party, with a substantial mandate in this state as well as in the north, simply discounting their positions by reference to the troubles won’t cut it any more.
Granted, I think that much of the hysteria came down to desperate FF smoke and mirror tactics.
I hope that we can all agree that the brand of crony capitalist, gombeen man cute hoor politics that destroyed Gallagher’s bid by association needs to be obliterated for the good of the nation?
Niall think you’ll find that most of the murderer terrorist tags were put on mcguinness and not sinn fein. Sinn fein will never move on as a party unless they break the link with the troubles ie mcg and Adams and also start putting forward some policies. Until then they will never fulfill there potential
ask the shinners niall for a spare bucket… they favour it over the envelope…
good way to collect for your court appearance… :-)
at least u will be in court… no chance of appearing before dail committee !
can anyone tell me how canditates get their money back. I know its 12% of vote . is that 1st pref or end total
End total Brian – I actually just posted something about that – if Norris eliminated after second count, his transfers might push Mitchell over the magic 12.5 per cent and Mitchell will get his expenses back. Anyway, I explain more at the top.
Good question – cheers!
Bit of a pain, since it’ll never happen (Mitchell won’t see nearly enough Norris transfers)
Still, whole things a formality at this point.
niall be careful he doesn’t sue u… for defamation
;-)
he has Reynolds v Sunday times on his side…
You’re right. better start saving to cover any damages.
Good Morning Liveblog staff : ) Got the coffee on?
It’s 0730 here in the UK and I (from the Irish Diaspora) want to congratulate Michael D Higgins. I believe he may become Ireland’s greatest President yet – only time will tell. I followed Niall Mulligan’s link and watched his speeches on You Tube and some of his speeches are awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-vCJQ5lLP. The only time I ever saw him in the Dail he was asleep! Drat! And you really must watch the cartoon videos of him on you tube – they’re hilarious- Hope this link works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6hjfalmCgg&feature=related
And finally Esther…..WELL DONE TO LIVEBLOG STAFF – such staying power, humour and fast fingers. Great journalism.
john i was taking the piss……. hence the wink….
ooooh that slipped past me. Too many negative comments and a few mindless criticisms appear here (although much approved lately).
Apologies.
Michael d was in ff aswell….. all idiots ;-)
From his Wiki…
“Higgins originally joined Fianna Fáil in UCG while a mature student; ”
It was for 6 months and he was questioned about that already and he shot it down.
Idiot!
Ha! Now Tommy, Michael D is no more 2011 gombeen FF than the man in the moon.
Unless you’ve got a “hoax” tweet lying round somewhere you’d like to hit him with?
@niall…. off course he is not… just a pisstake
ha gombeen man…. you bringing poor Albert into the conversation ?
Ah, no. I was kinda hoping you were gonna break out the hoax tweets, would be good for a laugh. ;)
As for the gombeens, back to wikipedia:
A Gombeen Man is a pejorative Hiberno-English term used in Ireland for a shady, small-time “wheeler-dealer” or businessman who is always looking to make a quick profit, often at someone else’s expense or through the acceptance of bribes. Its origin is the Irish word “gaimbín”, meaning monetary interest.[1] The term referred originally to a money-lender and became associated with those shopkeepers and merchants who exploited the starving during the Irish Famine by selling much-needed food and goods on credit at ruinous interest rates.
eire .. id say they feel disappointment as “their” man didn’t win….. what other feeling did u have in mind?
Susan, I’m guessing an auto correcting spellchecker replaced Quota with Quote for you, either that or an awful lot of people have been quoting :-)
No, bleedin’ autospell. It is of course quota. But we’ve also had lots of quotes tonight ;)
thank you susan
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