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Leah Farrell

Marie Collins: There are still clergy who believe abuse is 'media conspiracy'

Archbishop Eamon Martin was in the audience as the campaigner spoke at the RDS.

LAST UPDATE | 24 Aug 2018

CAMPAIGNER AND ABUSE survivor Marie Collins told an audience at the RDS today that robust structures need to be put in place to hold Church leaders who protect predators to account.

There are still people in the Catholic Church, clergy and lay people, who believe the abuse issue is some kind of media conspiracy – and who think that survivors who campaign for justice are out to destroy the institution, she said.

Collins made headlines last year when she announced she was resigning from a special Vatican commission created by Pope Francis to tackle clerical abuse, citing lack of progress on vital issues.

Her appearance as part of a panel at the Catholic Church’s World Meeting of Families pastoral congress today was attended by a crowd of around 300 people including Primate of All Ireland Eamon Martin and a large number of reporters from Ireland and overseas.

The Dublin campaigner was critical of Pope Francis’s letter addressing clerical child abuse, issued earlier this week, saying his statement and apology lacked a plan of action.

Speaking today she said that proper structures were needed to hold accountable those in leadership who protect predators “not only those in leadership in diocese etc. but in the Vatican itself”.

“Anyone in the Vatican who would stand in the way of proper protection of children should be accountable as well.

And this accountability should have strong sanctions for the guilty – dismissal from their post, removal of their titles and privileges and if necessary removal from the Church and the clergy entirely.

Collins spoke alongside other experts in the area as part of a panel on safeguarding children and vulnerable adults, including Filipino psychotherapist and member of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors Gabriel Dy-Liacco and Barbara Thorp, the former head of the Office for Pastoral Support and Child Protection in Boston.

The event was moderated by Professor Sheila Hollins, a former member of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors (the same panel Marie Collins resigned from last year).

Collins told the event that a zero-tolerance policy needed to be put in place to ensure that any priest who abuses a child is removed from the Church immediately.

To applause, she added: “If Canon Law at this moment doesn’t allow for that to happen then write a new Canon Law, that is the answer.”

“Sadly more often Canon Law has been used to protect the abuser than to punish them. Here in Ireland in the ’90s we saw bishops being told by the Vatican not to report abusing priests to the police as it was against Canon Law and that is just untenable.”

Families needed to call on the Church to make the changes necessary to ensure the protection of children and other vulnerable groups, Collins insisted.

“Every child in the world should be safeguarded equally,” she said, questioning why the US was the only country in which the Church had incorporated mandatory reporting into Canon Law.

That example should be followed in every country, Collins said.

Under Irish law, mandated persons like teachers and members of the clergy have a legal responsibility to report suspected abuse of children.

Speaking earlier this week, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar also said he agreed that the Church should introduce mandatory reporting for clerical sex abuse, adding:

Just because it is not the law in every country does not mean it is not the right thing to do.

The Taoiseach is due to hold a short, fifteen-minute meeting with Pope Francis during the pontiff’s two-day visit this weekend. Speaking to reporters he would not comment on whether he would raise the issue of mandatory reporting for the Church.

Today’s RDS panel was due to be chaired by Boston Cardinal Seán O’Malley, who heads the Vatican’s Commission for the Protection of Minors.

He announced last week that he would have to pull out of the event saying his “personal attention and presence” was required in a crisis at his archdiocese’s St John’s seminary. His withdrawal followed allegations of abuse at the institution.

Collins and the other speakers taking part in today’s event also addressed the media at the pastoral congress’s daily press conference.

Archbishop Eamon Martin was in attendance throughout the talk and the press conference. After the panel discussion Martin, accompanied by Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, also went onto the stage to thank the participants.

Pope Francis has promised to meet abuse survivors during his time in Ireland this weekend. Details of the meeting aren’t being made public until after it has taken place.

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    Filthy animals, the people dumping their rubbish that is.

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    What’s a picture of the Minister for social protection or self promotion doing in front of this story.

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    Not proud of the thought, but have we become the litter capital of Europe. Just so bad here in Dublin..

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    I thought you meant the Dail for a minute?

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    …and put your garbage in a garbage can, people. I can’t stress that enough.

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:40 PM

    There is litter strewn from 1 side of this country to another in every town, village, ditch in the place. Nobody takes any pride in our place, and these same people then complain about rodent problems. Cause and effect? It’s up to everyone to take responsibility for their own litter. The sooner we all realise this the better. Its not up to the gubbernment to clean up after everyone.

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:55 PM

    Now they are multiplying more complex maths is next. It’s only a matter of time before they develop rudimentary computer skills and take over. Run I tell you.

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    Mar 12th 2015, 2:03 PM

    What Mr O’Grady should be shouting about is why these filthy vermin are not prosecuted for dumping waste

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    Mar 12th 2015, 2:23 PM

    We had a neighbour who fired her rubbish into a disused wheelie bin.. when it got too full she just threw it beside the bin.. and along came the rats.. horrible disgusting animals..

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:09 PM

    So let me get this straight…
    - people refuse to pay to get their rubbish collected
    - people then complain when rats start multiplying on piles of rubbish…

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    Mar 12th 2015, 1:18 PM

    Then Councillor calls on Council, of which he is a member, to “do something”…

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    Terriers …

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:49 AM

    C4

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:33 PM

    I thought this was just a load of exaggeration until I saw them doing The Siege Of Ennis outside the cathedral

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:36 AM

    Interesting rats do not sweat. Rats’ front teeth grow 4½ to 5½ inches each year and a pair of brown rats can produce as many as 2,000 descendants in a year if left to breed unchecked. Rats usually just live 2 to 3 years and are quite intelligent. My cat has reached retirement age and has given up hunting so I often see rats and they are definitely getting bigger.

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:26 AM

    Slightly disappointed that he didn’t mean literally.

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:43 AM

    “Some people are unwilling or unable to pay”
    Hmmm !! Where have we heard that before.

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:47 AM

    From the poor who keep getting hit with charges by a Taoiseach who thinks the minimum wage for a single person is 35 k. per annum is where !

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:48 AM

    The 350 Irish HSBC bank account holders?

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    Mar 13th 2015, 3:52 AM

    Dublin?

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:52 AM

    “estates in Killarney are ‘dancing’ on top of rubbish piles”???? That must be some sight

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:44 PM

    A kind of…Tops of the Towns….meets Chicago musical number…is what I’m imagining!!

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:21 PM

    I taught the Labour party conference Killarney ended weeks ago.?

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:27 AM

    Get down on it !
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    Get your back up off the wall…..

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:13 AM

    I assume it’s the Kerry Polka they are dancing.

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:32 AM

    Thought the might be doing a slow set to Ben!

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:20 PM

    It will all be sorted after the next General Election when Independents like Healy-Rae will hold one of the big parties to ransom and get a load of stuff for Kerry at the expense of every other county.
    Of course till then people could just take some personal responsibility and bin their own rubbish and pay for it to be taken away like the rest of us…

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    Put them in the Gondolas and they’ll be grand !

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:17 PM

    I’m sure there’s a Healy-Rea there somewhere willing to don his Pied Piper outfit (and a cap of course) and rid them for ever.

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:05 PM

    Get that rat catcher/killer from that city in Pakistan he’s doing it for feck all!

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:57 AM

    Are they not practicing the set dancing for the annual paddy’s day drinkfest? Shame on them ……must be foreign rats here to get our dole money and steal our jobs as plague spreaders !

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:20 PM

    I taught the Labour party conference in Killarney ended weeks ago?

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    Mar 12th 2015, 2:28 PM

    Ha ha

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:12 AM

    I love Roland rat.
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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:35 AM

    No complaints from them when they can field one of them at corner forward though, is there. One year out injured & they’re already turning on the coopers in the kingdom, short memories!

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:48 AM

    The semi-final replay was an absolute disgrace from a refereeing point of view – I lost all respect for Kerry Football that day !
    Put the Paddy Cullen episode into a whole new light for me !

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    Mar 12th 2015, 12:41 PM

    Joan burton and labour party must stayed there dancing around only thing there good at

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    Mar 12th 2015, 11:32 AM

    I thought it was an old time waltz…

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    Mar 12th 2015, 6:58 PM

    That rat looks so cute !

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    Mar 12th 2015, 1:08 PM

    Surely that’s a good thing, another attraction to sell to the yanks…..

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    Mar 13th 2015, 11:59 AM

    The first thing that shocked me when I arrived in Ireland was the refuse service. Maybe in Dublin it works better?

    In France the garbage is collected every single day, by a public service, and the fee is ridiculously small compared to Ireland. If the garbage haven’t been collected for more than two days it is considered as a serious health and safety issue, and you can sue quickly.

    When I saw garbage accumulating sometimes for one week or more without being removed, I just couldn’t believe it….

    I immediately thought about the potential heaven for rats :(…. This is just not acceptable for a European country. And yet it’s very expensive for such a unacceptable standard! Something should be done about it.

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    Mar 13th 2015, 3:51 AM

    The way people waste food these days, it is a wonder that rats can still walk?

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