No. Not illegal. You can turn the millage back in your own car or indeed anyone’s car if they ask you to and it’s not breaking the law.

However, if you then sell the car without informing the new owner what the correct odometer reading should be, and you perhaps then try to pass it off as a lower millage car, that’s illegal.

So the act of interferring with it at the moment is not illegal.

6 tweets, all today, set up a fake account. Get a life

Well I would have used a different word to describe Ireland but you’re not wrong .

Red thumbs on the left lads :)

What’s yours.

So, I clock my car, ‘sell it’ to a friend. Friend sells the car. Friend doesn’t know car is clocked.

Quite a hard statement to prove that the mileage has been tampered with, let alone that it was done by the one who sold you the car in the first place and not by the any of the previous owners.

Stop reversing then

It’s motor emissions tax not road tax. Newer cars give off less fumes. It’s pretty easy to understand.

It’s actually just Motor Tax assessed on the basis of “Private Car CO2″ or “Private Car Standard” and to be fair a well looked after and regularly serviced car will give off less fumes too.

Pure BS about lower fumes. If they cared so much about the environment then new cars would have no tax at all. Its a big scam.

Fully agree it’s a scam but what i’m saying is correct.

http://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/New_car_CO2_quarterly_update.png

http://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/New_car_CO2_change_2000_2012.png

It’s actually Motor Tax…..pre ’08 (July?) based on engine size, and on emissions since…saying newer cars give off less emissions isn’t factual. Identical ’07 and ’09 cars give off the same emissions but could have €300/€400 in the difference for Motor Tax.

If newer cars give off lower emissions them why is it cheaper to tax a commercial than say a passenger of the same year? Example 2007 commercial lwb land cruiser 3L €333. 2007 passenger LWB land cruiser 3L approx €1300!

Motor Tax: 2010 Toyota Prius €190 for the year.
Pre July 2008 ToyotaPrius €480 for the year.
Not sure about other makes.
My 2003 Renault Clio cost €450 per year.

Commercial vehicles are always going to be cheaper because they are for that purpose! You don’t need a landcruiser for dropping the kids to school or doing the weekly shop! They are supposed to be for farmers/ trades people etc. People with an actual commercial need for that kind of vehicle.

I was replying to Mitch’s comment regarding tax been cheaper on new cars due to emissions, clearly emissions are not the reason as whether commercial or passenger both vehicles of same year can’t be that different on their emission output. In my experience as a commercial vehicle owner, I would do more mileage than a passenger of same make doing the school run.

Wrong! Identical cars before and after 2008 are taxed differently. It’s pretty easy to understand. Tax should be on fuel, not the vehicle.

I’d need to see a great deal of solid evidence before I accept that manufacturing and shipping a new car produces LESS carbon than the difference between its emissions and those generated by running an older car for a few more years.

This is a stimulus measure for the motor industry, nothing more. That’s fine in its own way, but at least be honest and admit that its a regressive tax imposed to support one sector of the economy.

It’s cheap tax from janurary 08, but what most people don’t no is that any car that has the low emissions installed from June 07, u can apply for the cheap tax ang get it, spread the word as this is somthing that the government WON’T tell you!

Bring in a relatively new Prius from the UK only €500 VRT

Sorry if this is a silly question but what do you mean? How would I apply for the cheaper tax? My car is 07

Your selection of the impact of the new taxation system since 2008 is not the full picture. Equally, there are people whose road tax would go up in price under the 2008 pricing, e.g. people with large petrol engines as they give off more CO2 than diesel engines. When they purchased their car they didn’t know the pricing would change so it was considered to be unfair to then increase their road tax using a model they didn’t know existed. It would, however, make sense that anybody buying a used car pre 2008 should avail of the new pricing and this is the category I fell into when I bought my 2007 diesel car. But I’d say then there would be a lot of loop holes if this happened, .e.g a husband could just transfer the car’s ownership to his wife and so it’d look like the car had been sold and then in that way get the tax decrease.

@Mary Kavanagh! True Mary and if you bought the car on June 30 then you would have paid more tax than if you waited one day yet the emissions from the car didn’t change

@selfsustainable Yes, of course, but your millage is for work. Not leisure. big difference

In answer to the whole 08 car situation. There had to be a line drawn somewhere so the government choose the same year emissions were brought into the equation. An Audi A4 (type 8E) is the model that ran from 2004 – 2008. Type 8K is from 2008 to present. Clearly you could have registered either model in 2008 and you would have got the lower tax although the 8K is releases less CO2.
Unless we stopped selling cars for an entire year to facilitate this law change this is inevitable. Try comparing the Mazda 3 1.6 Diesel (2008 model) with the 2012 model and the tax is clearly different.
2008 = €517
2012 = €200
its not rocket science!

The UK did the correct thing and left older car tax at the low rates.
It rightly incentivised ONLY new car purchasers to purchase low CO2 cars.

This happened because the British citizens objected strongly to penalising those who could not afford new cars. UK MPs were in fact about to do like the Irish TDs did but they were stopped.

The Irish just lie down and take it.

The car dealer lobby won and forced a new law that artificially promoted the purchase of new cars … in a country that does not manufacture cars …. daft .. there is another word for it!

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It’s on the NCT cert alright but if you look up a car on the likes of cartel, it only gives you dates of NCT and not mileage. My old car was on Donedeal a few weeks ago with 88,000 miles on it, I sold it back in 2011 with 105,000. You may pay more at a dealer but you have some comeback as you can ask them to record odometer reading on sale slip as been genuine, if they refuse, well you’re then a fool to buy the car.

I’m into motorbikes and there’s no test on them but I’ve seen friends buying bikes with X amount of miles on them and then looking at them you would know straight away they where clocked . It’s madness.

Just had my car nct’d and the only thing wrong was that my dipped headlights were not completely aligned. Spoke to a friend and she had the exact same this week, €55 to test the car then another €28 to retest because they use the machine to retest the lights. Utter scam artists they are.

So you’re one of those drivers that has been driving around blinding other drivers with your incorrectly focused lights yeah? Shame on the NCT for pointing it out.

Such a waste of an eye and nice smile, tragic :(

Hahahaha

I like you Steven, have a green thumb.

But what mileage does the clocks show? That of the engine, the restored car or the donor car?

Never having done this I am not sure but donor engine I’d imagine or there is something about selling vehicle ‘mileage unknown’. Sorry to be vague on this m

Clocks show the milage of the donor car

you would like off road vehicles banned from off road areas? any point of having an offroader then?

Cut out biscuits

NO!!!! after the storms we’ve seen what off roaders cause thru Global warming.
off roaders should feel ashamed what they indirectly caused to lahinch in clare

Yeah, thats’s exactly it. All the Land Cruiser’s and Range Rovers went out a swim in the Atlantic and caused massive waves and storms. Go back to making love to your Prius

Actually I live in Dublin and only drive a 1.6

1.6 is still too big. car tax on 1.6 should be 1000 euros

1.6 is actually quite a small engine size if you compare to most other countries in the planet

never!!! after the storms we had people are going to have to give up there cars..beside 50 years ago no one had cars…people are just going to have to get used to cycling and walking again!

Your parents / head of cabbage should be taxed ………

Steven… someone would want to tax the amount of CO2 you’re blowing!!

Good one Steven, since the fact of the matter is that you haven’t given one good argument all night

ronan no use giving out to me this is the way its going to be soon…petrol prices are going to be double next year so most people wont be able to drive soon anyway.. i dont care cause im not a peasant so i can afford it

the language of an uneducated fool who has no idea how to spell

So you have a car stavan ? I wish you were real stav , you’re too funny to be though . Some day we’ll find a real lunatic .. bye stuevin ……

Agree with your argument up to a point Stephen but can I ask you a question, which creates most pollution in an hour; all the vehicles on irish roads or the war machinery being operated by UK or Germany?

A lot of cars since 2009 have more than 4 Ecu’s and mileage is stored in each of them. Not in just display and body module/Ecu but in areas like brake, airbag, cabin control modules. Thats how some people have been caught out. BMW since 2010 have aTransponder that records on keys as well.