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CBD products on sale in Belfast. Niall Carson/PA Images

Confused about CBD? Here's what you need to know about Ireland and the cannabis-based remedy

It is not a registered medicine here but it is widely on sale. How is that possible?

THE USE OF cannabis-based CBD products for medicinal reasons is no longer a taboo or unreported subject in Ireland.

From high-profile campaigns like Vera Twomey’s to numerous other personal stories, like those of Noreen O’Neill and Brendan Flynn, the push for greater access to cannabis-based medical products is a visible one.

Also clear to see is that cannabis-based products are legally being sold in health food and specialised stores more and more across the country.

But while access to the products is becoming easier, there is still confusion among the public about their legality and dispute among doctors about their effectiveness.

There is also a lack of oversight on the products that are on sale leading to doubts about their reliability.

So what is the story?

CBD, or cannabidiol, is a chemical constituent of the cannabis plant and products based on it can be legally sold in Ireland.

CBD does not produce the same psychoactive effects that THC produces, so it does not get users high in the manner associated with the recreational use of cannabis.

CBD-based products have been used by patients suffering from a range of conditions including epilepsy, chronic pain, spasticity, insomnia and anxiety.

There is increasing clinical evidence about its success as a treatment but CBD is not currently authorised as a medicinal product by the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA) in Ireland.

This means that it is not considered as a treatment option and CBD products can not be prescribed by doctors.

A recent decision in the United States, however, could point towards future changes here.

In June, a CBD-based drug called Epidiolex was approved by the Food and Drug Administration for use as a treatment for childhood epilepsy.

Clinical trials published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that children using the drug had nearly 40% fewer seizures per month.

That trial was conducted on 120 children with Dravet Syndrome, the same condition Ava Twomey’s daughter Ava suffers from.

Cannabidiol stock CBD products in tablet form. Niall Carson / PA Images Niall Carson / PA Images / PA Images

CBD for sale

But while similar approval may take some time from the HPRA, CBD products will continue to be sold in Ireland, even if they are not being prescribed by doctors.

For Professor David Finn of NUI Galway, this does present some issues.

Finn is a professor of pharmacology and co-director of the Centre for Pain Research at NUIG.

He supports greater research into the use of medical cannabis and points to the positive evidence on childhood epilepsy in particular.

But he does have concerns about both the effectiveness of CBD as a treatment and how it is being marketed.

“People are kind of treating CBD as type of nutritional supplement or a health food, and it’s a drug,” he explains.

Cannabidiol is a drug that we’ve know about since the 1960s and like all other drugs it is going to have effects on the body and some of those effects may be beneficial, and there’s evidence for that.Some of the published evidence is strongest for epilepsy, particularly for childhood epilepsy, and for inflammatory pain and maybe anxiety as well. But there may also be side effects.

“It seems to be fairly well tolerated overall, so there isn’t any  strong evidence for severe side-effects, but there is some evidence for mild to moderate adverse effects like nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and some fatigue and dizziness. As well as potential interactions with other drugs the patient may be taking.”

Finn also shares some concerns about the unregulated CBD products that are currently on sale in Ireland and a lack of oversight.

“It’s very hard to know exactly what the composition of some of the products is.”

Some of them aren’t tested rigorously for quality control. So there can be batch to batch differences. There will be some cannabidiol in there but how much is in there is an open question.

“Some of these preparations are referred to as CBD oil or cannabis oil, which usually means it’s an oil extracted from the plant. But the cannabis plant is extremely complex, it has over 700 constituents in it, about 114 of these are cannabinoids.”

So that’s the issue. It’s very hard to guarantee to patients that they’re taking the same thing each time they go and buy these preparations. What they buy from a pharmacy in Cork might be different to what they get from a health food store in Dublin.

Among the concerns would be that the products have trace elements of THC from the extraction process. Products with THC at levels greater than 0.2% would be illegal.

Finn stresses that he is not saying CBD products on sale here contain THC, only that there is often no testing to show otherwise.

Medicinal Cannabis campaign Vera Twomey (centre) protesting outside the Dáil. PA Images PA Images

Demand

But the owners of a new store in Dublin are confident that its products are sufficiently tested and are what they purport to be.

CBD Relieve Ireland in St. Stephen’s Green Shopping Centre opened last week and claims to be “Ireland’s first dedicated CBD store”.

Marketing manager at the new venture Joe Dunne says that the store sells CBD in a variety of forms such as vaping liquids, droplets, body oils and body creams.

The store sources all of its products from CBD Relieve in the UK, a business that Dunne says has been working with Britain’s medicines regulator.

“They’re working closely with the MHRA in relation to the proper wording and terminology that can be used on the stands and on the fliers and leaflets.”

All their products are independently lab tested as well to ensure product quality and to ensure that there is no THC, or under the level of THC that is allowable by EU regulations.

“The majority of the products don’t have any THC but they’re definitely always within the limits.”

Dunne says that CBD Relieve Ireland is separate from the UK company which shares its name and that they met with five or six CBD companies before settling on a supplier.

“It’s not like just selling an iPhone cover or another retail product, we had to be 100% sure that who we’re dealing with knows what they’re doing, knows where they’re going and has all the evidence to back up their products.”

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The store does not sell its products to under 18s and Dunne adds that people who come in are encouraged to consult with their doctors before they buy.

He adds that staff in the store do not give medical advice and that any advice they do give is based on feedback from customers of the products in the UK.

“We have to be very careful with the advice we give because we’re not doctors, we’re not pharmacists, it’s not sold as a medical product either, it’s basically sold as a food supplement. So it’s a supplement that will either help or assist someone’s normal day-today well-being.

What you do is you work with the information you have with relation to customers, so we would work based upon what CBD Relieve UK’s feedback has been from their customers, and they have a lot because they’ve been operating two to three years.

Despite doctors not being able to prescribe CBD, Dunne claims that customers to the Irish store have been coming in and saying that their doctors have been advising them to explore it as an option.

“Since we’ve opened last week we’ve had huge amounts of customers in inquiring, having a look.”

“Feedback from in there is that people are telling the staff that their doctors have recommended that it can help with x, y and z. So there are a hell of a lot of doctors referring them to come in and have a look and try it out.”

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    Mute Annie Howe
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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:12 AM

    In the UK Camelot announced this morning that from October they’d be adding 10 extra balls to the lotto, meaning your chances of winning will be reduced from 1 in 14 million to 1 in 45 million. What’s the odds this shower will soon do the same? I’m not too sure it’ll help increase their sales figures if they do.

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    Jun 17th 2015, 2:29 PM

    How does trying to turn a profit make them a “shower”?

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    Mute Science of beer
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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:12 AM

    went to buy a ticket last Saturday and systems were down again, it’s happening way to often since the take ovet

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    Mute Science of beer
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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:11 AM

    over

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    Mute Pauliebhoy
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    Jun 17th 2015, 12:09 PM

    Roger that, over and out.

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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:06 AM

    Those poor Canadian teachers.

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    Mute Donie Keyes
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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:11 AM

    The number of winners will drop even further now..

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    Mute Conor McCabe
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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:00 AM

    Doesn’t sound very positive.

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    Mute Oleksandr Savitskyy
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    Jun 17th 2015, 12:09 PM

    Why the government sold National Lottery I just do not get. Lotteries were created to fund countries finances and even building of Great Wall of China. According to wiki 4.4bln euro were raised for good causes and 6.7mln distributed in prizes. 4.4 bln this is on average 163mln euro per year, yet they sold the license for 405 mln. Would you sell your milk cow when you have plenty of feeds for her (65% of Irish people played) and your family is strawing? I just do not get it.

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    Mute Oleksandr Savitskyy
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    Jun 17th 2015, 1:51 PM

    Sorry everyone, I meant ” 6.7 bln (not mln) distributed in prizes”

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    Mute Oleksandr Savitskyy
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    Jun 17th 2015, 1:53 PM

    and strawing is starving. Need to review my English or my typing skills :).

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    Jun 17th 2015, 1:54 PM

    The government never ran the lotto they only ever sold the licence

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    Mute Oleksandr Savitskyy
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    Jun 17th 2015, 2:29 PM

    I guess government was deciding what to do with the money from lottery as it was run under license by the An Post National Lottery Company which was subsidiary of An Post (100% owned by Irish Government) owned 80% of NL Company and 20% belonged to the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (Government) Let’s say it was run by the state to be exact.

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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:44 AM

    Sounds a bit like a lottery running a lottery company.

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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:46 AM

    “The key risks facing the company include the company’s significant reliance on its IT and telecommunications infrastructure and retailer operations, the delivery of promises made in its bid for the license and the impact of general economic factors on the company”

    - the delivery of promises made in its bid for the license

    Such as maybe keeping the money flowing to charities, keeping jobs and the network useable?

    Seems to me like this was one of the things the Irish Government were doing well. Maybe we should offer them €250m to take it back off their hands

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    Jun 17th 2015, 12:46 PM

    Have to love this part of the comment
    “Following a successful transition of operations from An Post National Lottery Company,…”
    There was nothing successful about it and it is still failing… lol

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    Jun 17th 2015, 12:14 PM

    It stinks in my view…

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    Jun 17th 2015, 11:41 AM

    Why anyone wastes their money on this nonsense is beyond me.

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    Jun 17th 2015, 12:06 PM

    Ask the guy from Mayo, he’ll know the answer

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    Jun 17th 2015, 12:07 PM

    The people who win the lotto nearly every week dont think its nonsense

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    Jun 17th 2015, 12:34 PM

    Let me get this straight, they were allowed to borrow the entire sum to buy the lottery at artificially high interest rates of over 9% in order to minimize their operating profit (and obviously Irish tax). If this was part of the Apple Tax probe, we’d be hung out to dry……

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    Jun 17th 2015, 3:54 PM

    I’d imagine the 9% rate is changed by a parent company to the operating company instead of by a bank. You’re probably not wrong about the reason though.

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    Jun 17th 2015, 12:36 PM

    I was cribbing about not winning small cash prizes and a guy named Ivan advised me to give it up. I did now I’m up the equivalent of a small prize every week.

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    Jun 17th 2015, 4:45 PM

    So effectively they lied to get the contract. Imagine pitching a business proposal to someone, getting the contract and then turning round and saying “well actually if I fulfill the terms, I’ll lose money or go bust”. You couldn’t make this up. Did no one think to check the figures before giving them the contract or were there too many brown envied floating round obscuring the view?

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    Jun 17th 2015, 1:01 PM

    The website is excellent, nice and quick. Hopefully that functionality will be added to the App.

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    Jun 27th 2015, 7:15 AM

    I use to be a very poor man who has always not find luck when it comes to playing the lottery, I have been playing lottery since i was 21 years and now i am 45, meaning i have been playing the lottery for 24 years. The biggest fund i have ever won in my life was 400 bucks. But one day my story turns to history after i find this man name Dr Suju on the Internet that he is the best when it comes to winning of lottery. This man is a very strong voodoo doctor who gives out the numbers that can never fail. After all my years of laboring and struggling to win the lottery i finally won ( $62,000,000) Dr suju is the name, email is drsujuspelltemple@gmail.com he is the only way to win the lottery and it is the best.

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