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Department of Health

Explainer: How an ownership row is still holding back Ireland's new National Maternity Hospital

The Tánaiste has even raised the prospect of building the hospital elsewhere.

PLANS FOR THE new National Maternity Hospital have been back in the news in recent weeks, with a protest planned for this weekend and various Oireachtas debates planned in the coming weeks. 

The new hospital has been in the works for years, with the location of the hospital being confirmed at St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin 4 in late 2016. 

That site’s ownership by religious order the Sisters of Charity prompted various debates in previous years about whether Catholic doctrine could influence medical practices.

Assurances given by government and the religious order had quelled the debate in recent years but have again come to the surface. 

So how did we get here and what does the debate mean for the hospital?

A new NMH

The National Maternity Hospital is currently located at Holles Street in Dublin and is also popularly known by the street’s name. 

The hospital is the largest maternity care facility in the State, with about 8,000 women a year using its services. 

Parts of the building date back to the mid-1700s and there is a wide consensus that moving the location of the NMH is preferable to updating the current location. 

In November 2016 it was confirmed that the new NMH would be developed at Elm Park in Merrion, Dublin 4. This would mean the NMH would be alongside the existing St Vincent’s Hospital, allowing patients at NMH to also have access to that facility. 

Ownership of the hospital

Holles st 828 The National Maternity Hospital at Holles Street. Sam Boal Sam Boal

Despite support for the construction of the new hospital, which was estimated in 2017 to be €300 million, there was soon controversy over its ownership structure. 

The Sisters of Charity owns the land on which the NMH was be built and the proposed deal would see the religious order owning the facility because it was providing the lands at no cost to the State. 

Tens of thousands of people signed a petition is protest at the move, calling for the Sisters of Charity to be prevented from becoming owners.

In April 2017, the Department of Health sought to ease concerns about potential religious influence at the hospital by saying that a new company would be established to run it that would have “clinical and operational independence”.

Various polls showed that public concerns were not eased  by these assurances

The plan was for the NMH board to be made up of nine directors. Four nominated from St Vincent’s Hospital Group, four from the current NMH, and one international expert in obstetrics and gynaecology.

Opponents to the plan pointed to the board nominees from the St Vincent’s Hospital Group as potentially being influenced by religious ethos. 

Opposition to the plans for the ownership structure included various political parties and former master of the NMH Dr Peter Boylan

One of the suggestions Boylan raised was that a compulsory purchase order (CPO) could be used to allow the State to buy the lands from the Sisters of Charity. 

Some of the obstacles to this included costs, potential legal delays and the fact that the new NMH was envisaged as a voluntary public hospital instead of a HSE facility. 

Sisters act

Following the increasing opposition to the plans, the Sisters of Charity announced an end to their involvement with the St Vincent’s Hospital Group and said that they would therefore not be involved in the ownership or management of the new NMH

The Sisters of Charity were the major shareholders of the St Vincent’s Healthcare Group but said they would be transferring ownership of the group to a newly formed company with charitable status to be called ‘St Vincent’s’.

This pledge would also see the Sisters of Charity essentially giving up its ownership of the land on which the NMH was to be built, land which was valued at some €200 million. 

hse Dr. Peter Boylan Sam Boal Sam Boal

This presented some issues however and 30 months in late 2019 it was revealed that the transfer of ownership to the charitable company had not taken place

This is due to the fact that the the Religious Sisters of Charity required formal approval from the Vatican to relinquish ownership of the land. 

The Sisters of Charity said in November 2019 that it had sought approval from the Vatican and that formal sign-off  was “imminent”. 

The order also said that this should not delay the hospital project “in any way” but despite this ten minister for health Simon Harris said that “all outstanding issues” must be addressed before any substantial building works take place.

Last year, there appeared to be a significant development in the saga when the Sisters of Charity said they had received the required approval from the Vatican, allowing them to transfer ownership of the land. 

It said this now marks the final movement towards completion of all legal, financial and regulatory matters involved in the transfer of the sisters’ 186-year involvement in the hospital.

The sisters added: 

The new St Vincent’s Holdings CLG will continue to be a not-for-profit organisation. In the event of the new St Vincent’s Holdings CLG going into liquidation, its surplus assets will be vested with the Charity Regulator and used for future healthcare purposes with similar values, to benefit the people of Ireland.

The plans for the site would see St Vincent’s Holdings CLG lease the NMH lands to the State for 99 years.

Problems continue

Now, over a year from that point, the issue of the ownership of the land is still proving to be a stumbling block. 

Current Minister of Health Stephen Donnelly said early this month that legal documents to transfer the lands to the charity “are ready”

He also again sought to reassure the public that the Religious Sisters of Charity would have no involvement in the management of the hospital and would not influence the care the hospital provides. 

“Services will be provided in accordance with the law, and in accordance with national policy, and that’s it,” he said.

Last week however, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar  said there are “problems, quite frankly, in going forward with this project”.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin also described it as “very odd” that the State was to invest so much money in the project but that it would have ownership of the site.

He described this situation as “not entirely satisfactory” but said that stakeholders should not be “overly obsessed” with ownership of the hospital. He added that “nothing has been signed off”, and that it has always been his view that any new hospital should be owned by the public.

Speaking on Saturday, Varadkar suggested that a new location for the hospital may be needed to resolve the ongoing issues. 

He also suggested that the State could buy they site from the Sisters of Charity instead of the current plan that would see the Sisters of Chairty transferring the ownership to the charitable company. 

Sinn Féin and the Social Democrats are also seeking that the Sisters of Charity transfer the ownership of the land directly to the State, with the SocDems set to table a motion in the Dáil on Wednesday calling for this to happen.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:03 PM

    Now if Alan Hughes could go too then that would be great! Does nothing for the show.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:04 PM

    @Seán Ó hAodha: agreed

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:21 PM

    @Seán Ó hAodha: Agreed. Sits there laughing at nothing.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:39 PM

    @Seán Ó hAodha: u know the “saying that makes me sick”, well i actually dry wreched watchin his old show talkabout.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 2:13 PM

    @Seán Ó hAodha: isnt he a weather presenter?

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    Jul 31st 2019, 2:39 PM

    @Dave Barrett: whether he is a presenter or not is the real question!!!

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:08 PM

    @Seán Ó hAodha: Alan Hughes… worst then trush

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    Jul 31st 2019, 4:36 PM

    @Seán Ó hAodha: Hughes is horrendous. How hes kept on is beyond me

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:20 PM

    The best presenter who was on Ireland AM was Aiden Cooney, a great news reader and presenter with a good sense of humour as well.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:23 PM

    @Marty from Sligo: seriously???

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:24 PM

    @Marty from Sligo: I have to disagree

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:15 PM

    @Marty from Sligo: you must be joking was hopeless read the results wrong on many occasions and came across as winging it

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    Jul 31st 2019, 4:36 PM

    @Marty from Sligo: he was like a fat mushroom sitting there with nothing interesting to say whatsoever

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    Jul 31st 2019, 5:49 PM

    @Marty from Sligo: I’d say he’d be good for a late night sports show with Trevor Welch.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:22 PM

    No loss found him to be unwilling to listen and a fixed point of view. Totally anti public sector and his view was the only view an interview would go when a balance would be needed .
    Still won’t be watching anyway.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 10:13 PM

    @Mark Mccormack:
    Let me guess, you’re a teacher?

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    Jul 31st 2019, 11:51 PM

    @Mark Mccormack: give his job to Simon Delaney.
    Enjoy his wit and delivery
    Underrated

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:36 PM

    He was very opinionated and had no time for anyone else’s views. Thank God he’s gone as he thought himself above everyone who didn’t agree with himself.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:00 PM

    That will be the end of any half intelligent conversations on the show. Alan Hughes is great for a laugh but as for the rest of them, less said the better. Think I’ll have to switch back to radio

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:46 PM

    @Dan2078: have to agree, what’s left hasn’t got a full brain cell between them

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:23 PM

    Oh I missed it. Will they repeat it? Of course they will as that’s all virgin media do

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:32 PM

    He was a govt mouth piece who rarely gave anytime to guests who did,nt agree with govt policy. Showed his true colours when the water protests were at there height. Like rte never a balanced view on the major issues of the day. Will not be missed.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:01 PM

    Good.. a new line up is needed for that chat show really…

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    Jul 31st 2019, 5:08 PM

    Went to school with Mark. Enjoyed ‘Night Train’ on 2FM. Then his mid morning show on TodayFM followed by Ireland AM. Will be a change in the morning routine. Wishing Mark all the best in the future.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 12:57 PM

    Wonder who’s next to get axed off that show!

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:01 PM

    @Sean Leonard: hopefully Karen . Leave Alan and all the chefs; at least that’ll give us a laugh

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:49 PM

    @Dan2078: yea it hilarious alright…..Alan hand me over that big sausage …… hahahahahaha did you here him looking for the big sausage hahahahahaha

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    Jul 31st 2019, 8:28 PM

    @Dan2078: Karen has great legs

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:37 PM

    He was at his best on the radio years ago.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 6:47 PM

    Alan Hughes – The exaggerated laugh of the Guy does me head in

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    Jul 31st 2019, 10:17 PM

    @Angry_Man41:
    Going by your name, I’d guess anyone laughing/having fun, isn’t your thing.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 12:57 PM

    Top man n decent bloke…..crappy show but not his fault.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:00 PM

    @Brian Murphy: yes professional presenter… Show is droning in to torture level… It’s so repetitive the only that changes is the news!

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    Jul 31st 2019, 10:11 PM

    @Sean Leonard:
    “It’s so repetitive”, so you keep watching? Which other morning tv show do you think is better to have on while one is going about one’s business of getting ready for the day ahead?

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:03 PM

    Did Cooney turn up for his farewell??

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:06 PM

    @Dan2078: probably too busy with his other 10 jobs – bore

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    Jul 31st 2019, 7:54 PM

    Not a mention of Sinead who he anchored with for years!! Bad former me thinks. All the best Mark.

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    Aug 2nd 2019, 2:10 PM

    @Gina Clifford: he did mention her in his leaving speech at the end of the show.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:36 PM

    I never looked at an episode…. I’ll live longer for it….

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    Jul 31st 2019, 1:58 PM

    I’ll miss his dainty socks and his crossed leg posture

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:16 PM

    Mark was the brains of the show. Even then, the only part I could watch was the weather forecast and newspaper front page review. And only then with the sound muted.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 8:05 PM

    Anton Savage to replace Cagney

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    Jul 31st 2019, 11:52 PM

    @Breda Claffey: Simon Delaney

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    Jul 31st 2019, 7:01 PM

    Great news!!! Alan next please. His attitude is horrible.
    Ciara genuinely care about guests and gives honest opinion. Go lady!!

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    Jul 31st 2019, 4:08 PM

    Who?

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    Jul 31st 2019, 4:24 PM

    @Patrick Daly: Doctor Who

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    Jul 31st 2019, 5:52 PM

    Dose

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    Jul 31st 2019, 6:58 PM

    You will be miss Mark

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    Jul 31st 2019, 3:31 PM

    Enjoyed him the odd time I watched. I think VM will transition this program to have a better vibe, now it still searches for audience. A bit of hard news reporting would suit me, I don’t “watch” radio.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 10:15 PM

    @John Flood:
    Do people really want “hard news” in the morning? I don’t think they do. “Light news” and a bit of a laugh is a much nicer way to start the day.

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    Jul 31st 2019, 7:30 PM

    Weak for himself !GoodLuck Good Riddance

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    Aug 1st 2019, 12:55 AM

    I

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    Aug 1st 2019, 11:08 AM

    The worst show I’ve ever briefly tipped in and , mostly, out of! Why can’t it be called a very average cookery show for narcissistic, sycophants and be done with it!

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