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A swish new €2 coin comes into circulation today to commemorate 1916

It will be the first time Ireland has introduced a personalised €2 coin.

Central Bank The new Irish €2 1916 commemorative coin Jason Clarke Photography Jason Clarke Photography

THE 1916 CELEBRATIONS continue apace with the news that Ireland is issuing a new €2 coin today to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Easter Rising.
4.5 million of the new coins will be introduced into general circulation by the Central Bank from this morning, with a number of collectable versions available for purchase also.

It will be the first time that Ireland will have issued its own commemorative €2 coin into circulation.

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The design, by Emmet Mullins, was chosen following a competition that saw 52 Irish and international designers submit proposals based on the Proclamation of the Irish Republic, as read by Pádraig Pearse outside the GPO on O’Connell Street in Dublin on 24 April 1916.

The coin features a representation of the statue of Hibernia (the historic personification of Ireland) on top of the GPO, the centenary dates and the name Hibernia in hand-rendered lettering influenced by the Book of Kells.

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“We are working with the banks, An Post, and the cash in transit companies to get the coin into circulation as soon as possible,” said Paul Molumby, director of currency management at the Central Bank.

You can expect to see the coins in the coming weeks as they circulate naturally around the country.

The collectable versions of the coin will include:

  • A €2 uncirculated coin card
  • A €2 uncirculated coin bookmark
  • A 2016 annual mint set containing the nine 2016-dated coins and a commemorative booklet
  • A 2016 €2 proof quality cased coin
  • A 2016 proof quality nine-coin set

Later in the year, gold and silver proof €2 coins will also be released for sale, albeit with a different design (by Michael Guilfoyle) incorporating words and phrases from the proclamation. You can learn more about that set of coins along with the above special editions released today here.

Read: Publicans say ‘archaic’ Good Friday alcohol ban should be lifted ahead of 1916 centenary

Read: Gerry Adams will speak to the nation on the eve of the Rising centenary

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:08 AM

    Remind me again who are fireing rockets out of Gaza on an almost daily basis. It takes two to tango.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:24 AM

    James, don’t say that around here because you’ll insult all of the people that think Obama can do no wrong! Blasphemy!! Haha

    Israel is 100% in the wrong and their government should be tried for crimes against humanity.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:50 AM

    Remind me again who are being starved in the worlds biggest getto

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:09 AM

    Shame on Obama!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:01 AM

    Long live West Bank.
    Long live Palestine.
    Long live Ramallah.
    Long live Gaza.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:19 AM

    Long live your own life, have fun, have loads of fun and don’t worry about land. Silly silly person.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:56 PM

    Long Live Israel! Defeat Islamic Jihad!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:48 AM

    No surprise there .

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:29 AM

    Months of rockets being fired into Israel by islamic extremists & no mention in the Irish media, no condemnation by the Arab league & silence from the UN. Israel takes out one of these cowards who are happy to hide behind civilians & have them become “martyrs” to their cause of having Sharia law all over the middle-east, anti-woman, anti-gay & anti-freedom. & our “liberals” choose to condemn which side? If Hamas/Hizbollah ordecide to accept a two state solution, accept Israel isn’t going anywhere & sit down to meaningful negotiations, there will be peace. Those supporting Hizbollah / Hamas until then are NOT friends of the Palestinian people.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:01 AM

    Well said Reginald’s Tower.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:20 AM

    @ Reginald
    Changing the focus of the issue? So you condone the innocent children and women also killed in this attack ? Does this mean the Israeli government are terrorists also?
    How many innocent people have been killed as a result of the many ‘rocket’ attacks on Israel that you refer to?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:53 AM

    Well said Reginald’s Tower. Israel has been bombarded for months now & showed enormous restraint. They took out their target as seen on TV & were entitled to do so to defend their country & citizens who are Jewish, Muslim & Christian alike. The world’s media knew the country was being bombarded with rockets & stayed silent. I watched the news reports last night of Gazans running around, ambulances everywhere & it all seemed staged. Utube Pallywood. There was a scene of a very young boy bandaged up being put into an ambulance. No blood, no cuts, no bruises, no tears. Shameful if they are using innocent children for their own propaganda. Another of 3 girls running around nowhere as if they were running from something. U could see it was staged. Another of a guy carrying another guy, a fat & overfed guy, on his shoulders to where. Nowhere. Just put him down & your man stood there with not a thing wrong with him. Open your eyes, people. Please. A free & democratic country was attacked over months with missiles & it did what it was entitled to do. Israel took out it’s target & fair play. Never was there any sympathy shown for Israeli children who are equally affected anywhere in any media including here. Israel strikes back & it’s Israel who is the problem ? As I suggested, utube Pallywood & you will have your eyes opened. If Israel wasn’t attacked first, Israel would not have struck back.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:46 PM

    Declan, Reginald
    The difference between some people on here and you is that We will also condem any killing of innocent Israeli civillians.
    However you will not rise above your partisan ethos to condem Israel on yet another human attrocity. Shameful

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    Nov 15th 2012, 6:09 PM

    dec + reg
    mabe you should talk to someone who has been there before jumping to conclusions

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:26 PM

    @Nigel

    I’m beginning to thing mr R Tower is some sort of a web-bot created by israeli intelligence software developers to trawl the internet and auto type favourable comments toward israel. He never posts on any other articles on this site. There seems to be a few more of them floating around on this site too :-)

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:26 PM

    Deborah, you must have a lot of time on your hands if you check every thread to see if i have commented. On them, I’d recommend trying harder or better yet finding something more productive to do with your time.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:29 PM

    & Simon, maybe I have been there & seen the reality with my own eyes & I haven’t based my opinion on PallyWood lies.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:57 AM

    To everyone supporting Israel. You all seem to be forgetting how the country came to be and why they started a war with the Palestine territory. Israel is a greedy, war-mongering nation. Most of the land they claim belongs to Palestine. If anyone has a right to attack it’s Palestine as it’s their territory originally. They are the ones defending themselves, they are the ones who are losing land over this. How do you expect them to behave when the world stands back and lets this hostile take over continue. The US would have rushed in on their (Palestine) side decades ago were it not for guilt over WWII. They would have stepped in but it’s more beneficial to them to have the plague that is Israel on their side then as an enemy. That is not a far way to decide a countries fate, but that’s politics and that’s how the US operates, slyly.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:37 AM

    @Jonny Irish. “The Jews”? Really? And then certain people on here go mad when we (Israel supporters) say that SOME Irish people are anti-semetic? Should we now refer to the Irish as “the Catholics”?I know the Irish media, as usual, have not been reporting the ongoing rocket attacks coming from Gaza (as this is not of interest to the main Irish public) but Israel have killed a known terrorist in response & not just out of the blue … This is a good thing… He was a TERRORIST. Or does that word not apply when it’s “Jews” that are being targeted?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:30 AM

    The same Egyptian government that it sitting by while Christians are being ethnically cleansed in their own country.
    I’m not sure the negotiation skills of the ‘brotherhood’ is something you’d want to bring to the table.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:23 AM

    I suppose pat Casey thought the same when the Irish were trying to liberate themselves from the British. He probably thought Cromwell was just defending his country. ( Great Britain )

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:35 AM

    If you read your history you will see that Jordan annexed most of the Palestinian homeland. I dont see them firing rockets in there. The rest of the arab nations hold the Palestinians up as an example of what the Israelies are doing to them on one hand but on the other they do nothing to help them financialy or politicialy and the money we send them ends up in Swiss bank accounts and never reaches the people who need it. They are being used as pawns by the anti jew brigade.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:57 AM

    Pat

    As long as you anyone who criticises Israeli brutality of being an ‘anti Jew brigade’ you won’t reach any intelligent readers.

    Why?
    Because its another a dumb and distorting gross oversimplification, if not outright smearing lie.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:18 AM

    Hahahahaha Gary, starved? You need to get on a plane and go over there man, see the truth for yourself and stop listening to the continuing lies of Palliwood, They have plenty of food, plenty of state of the art shopping centers, plenty of millionaires living in Gaza. Israel give them free water, free electricity, free medical supplies and does countless free operations in Hospitals in Israel to save their children’s lives, does their tax accounts for them and how do the Palestinians respond? Rocket and Mortar attacks on a daily basses. I think Israel has been very very patient, if someone was lobbing projectiles into my home, I would have taken them out a long time ago, nobody hurts my family. Open your eyes man and don’t be so naive in believing the propaganda of the Hamas leadership.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:25 AM

    Vincent Browne’s assessment is correct about Israel, that they are a political cancer in that region , when will the international community finally make a stance against these bullies?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:30 AM

    @ Rob Zombie …
    Israel is a tiny country (the size of Leinster) surrounded by Arab states (who of course don’t allow jews to enter their country) but of course it’s all Israel’s fault … oy vey

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:09 PM

    Israel is a terrorist imposed and maintained garrison in the nation of Palestine.

    Read a little history and lose the Bible-bubble.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:14 PM

    @Cinementor I believe that Jews are not allowed to enter Iran like many other Arab states. However Muslims are welcome to live in Israel.

    @ Damien Did I mention the bible?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:39 PM

    Not overtly Jenni,

    But Zionism founds its racist claims on ancient biblical folklore.
    And Muslims and Arabs consider the Jews semitic brothers and people of the Book, their scriptures drawing on Abrahamic and Mosaic teachings, and being inclusive of the Nazarene founder of the distorted Christianity(really Paulanity)strained through Rome and other collanders.
    It is mostly Jews and Christians that do racist ideologies, though all sides have their fundamentalisty boneheads.
    I have traveled in Isalmic countries, from Indonesia to Morocco, and lived with Turks and Moroccons in Europe. I have also worked with Jews, from Ireland to South Africa, and beyond, and had friends from that ethnic origin since childhood.
    Shalom.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:41 PM

    Apologies to ye Moroccan readers for the lousy spelling

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:45 PM

    @Jenni

    I believe that you are mistaken, Jews are living in Iran :)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6257611/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-Jews-in-Iran.html

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    Nov 15th 2012, 2:08 PM

    @ Damien

    “But Zionism founds its racist claims on ancient biblical folklore”
    I found my beliefs on fact not biblical folklore. A two state solution was offered on 00/01 and rejected by Yasser Arafat. Don’t you find it ironic that so soon after Israel offered the Palestinians nearly everything they & the international community wanted i.e. a Palestinian state with Arab Jerusalem as its capital, return of the Gaza Strip & almost the entire West bank, a fair and practical resolution of the refugee issue, and an end to Jewish settlements – it is now a pariah of the international community? Israel has become the object of boycott campaigns and other demonisation efforts while the Palestinians (who rejected the peace offer & responded with the systematic and deliberate murder of Israeli citizens) have become the “darlings” of the international community.

    `’And Muslims and Arabs consider the Jews semitic brothers”
    And yet it’s ok that certain terrorist groups want to systematically destroy all Jews ie Hamas, Islamic Jihad & Hezbollah who oppose the very existence of Israel and have pledged terrorism against Israel’s Jews until all of Palestine is liberated and not one inch is under Jewish control … The Hamas Charter even goes as far to blame the Jews for the French & Russian Revolutions, WW1, WW2 & the creation of the UN to “Rule over the the World”. Only a pure Islamic state, with no Jews, and all Christian Arabs in a second class state would be acceptable to Hamas. Racist nonsense is distributed amongst Palestinian schools.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 2:12 PM

    @Cinementor My bad! Thank you for correcting me :)

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    Nov 15th 2012, 2:16 PM

    All premised, Jenni, on Israel’s ‘offer’.

    If I steal your house and offer you a corner at the bottom of the garden will you be happy?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:02 PM

    Damien … It depends of course on how far back you go …

    The Palestine to which jews first immigrated (around 1880) was vastly underpopulated so I don’t believe that anyone’s house was stolen…

    Land was bought from landlords who, according to land purchase records, were from Beirut or Damascus. These were foreign land speculators with no connection to the land. Yet the false claim still appears that Jews stole the land from the local Arabs.

    As an aside, the living conditions before these jews arrived was not pleasant in that only a tiny proportion could read or write, infant mortality was high, life expectancy short & water scarce. This all improved dramatically after the jews arrived. The small and decreasing Arab-Muslim population was a transient people and the myth of a settled Palestinian – Arab -Muslim population living in villages & working the land for centuries, only to be displaced by Zionist invaders, is simply not true. There is recorded demographic data about this, not gathered by jews, but by the local authorities.

    Many Muslims moved to these areas because of the employment opportunities, improved health care, cuts in infant mortality and expanded adult life expectancy. These improvements began with modern hospitals and water and sanitary systems introduced by the jews.

    Because of the lack of precise census or land records it is impossible to know the exact demographics of the area, that was eventually assigned by the UN in 1947, as the Jewish State of Israel. But I believe that the displacement by the European Jews of a large long term Muslim population living in that area is false.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:07 PM

    Jenni

    I think you’ll find if you take an honest look that they are still stealing it. I’ve lived in South Africa and I’m brought up in ireland.

    I recognise sectarianism and racism and indoctrination when I meet them. I’ve met too many indoctrinated Irish, South African and Israeli ideologues to be persuaded by their spin.

    When I was younger like many of my contemporaries I considered spending some time out there.
    We are not going to agree. Try reading Shlomo Sand’s ‘Invention of the Jewsish People’.
    Shalom.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:31 PM

    Jenni, you’ve already been shown by cinementor that you are shooting in the dark from a considerably uninformed position.

    You come across as more homest than quite a few of the comentators on the Israeli side.

    Google hasbara and gush shalom and start learning.

    Shalom.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:45 PM

    @ Damien

    I am happy to admit when I’m wrong re my comment to Cinementor, but I stand by my other comments. I think your comments about Muslims & Arabs considering the jews as semitic brothers shows you as being highly uninformed … I note you do not comment on my reply to that one!

    Many people on both sides like to pick a random point in history to start from … I was just going back to the 1880′s when the land was poorly populated.

    At the end of the day we are where we are in the middle east and I believe that most rational Israelis & Palestinians want a 2 state solution but where this has been offered by Israel over and over again it has been rejected by Palestine over and over again. You cannot dispute this.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:56 PM

    Jenni, I can, do and will dispute the situation, just as could, did, and would still if progress had not been made in Northern Ireland, and apartheid SA.

    But I know when I am wasting time.

    Shalom.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 6:48 PM

    Dear jenni
    try reading a bit more then the daily star

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:01 PM

    Jeni the myth of the Israeli offer of almost everything the Palestinians wanted is just that, a myth. Israel has used the time since the Oslo accords to create facts on the ground I.e Jewish only settlements and are destroying the chances of a two state solution. The goverment of nethanyahu are racist and a disgrace to the Jewish race and its traditions of working for the civil rights of others. Look up Uri Averneys web site to read the views of an Israeli who can see the country he helped create being destroyed.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:06 PM

    Dear Simon,
    Well that’s constructive of you. The only publication I have referred to is the Hamas Charter but if you wish to compare this to the Daily Star, be my guest.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:10 PM

    @Gavan (Look I managed to spell your name right…)

    So Yassar Arafat did not turn down this offer? Hmm …

    And talking of human rights … how are the gay community treated by muslims? Free to gay in Israel. How are women treated in Arab countries compared to Israel. I could go on but I’m off to read the daily star (according to Paul it’s a riveting read)

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:14 PM

    sorry … all that talk of the Daily Star has diluted by brain capacity …

    I meant to say “free to BE gay” not “free to gay” and also meant to refer to Simon & not Paul in my reference to the riveting Daily Star read.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:17 PM

    Jenni, Arafat bent over backwards to accommodate Israel, in the end it still wasn’t,t enough for them. Most of the issues you mention ,the status of Jerusalem right of return etc, were all to be agreed at a later date and were not part of any deal. here we are twenty years later and the building of settlements continues , and no closer to a settlement .

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    Nov 16th 2012, 12:13 AM

    Jenni: “@Cinementor I believe that Jews are not allowed to enter Iran like many other Arab states. “

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    Nov 16th 2012, 8:18 AM

    @ Petre “You do know Iran isn’t an Arab state, right?”

    Should I have given the correct full name of the country ie the “Islamic Republic of Iran” previously Persia? So yes it is not an Arab state … it is an Islamist one.

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    Nov 16th 2012, 8:33 AM

    @ Gavan Jenni,

    You can’t be serious?! Do you actually know anything about Camp David? The world was shocked when PM Ehud Barak offered the Palestinians all of this and even Prince Bander of Saudi Arabia, who was liaising between the two parties, urged Arafat to accept the offer and he said that his decision not to accept the offer was a “crime against Palestinians – in fact against the entire region”. He held Arafat personally responsible for the following deaths of both Israelis & Palestinians. There was uproar in Europe (even Ireland) over his decision. Arafat didn’t even offer a counter proposal … he just rejected it and chose war…

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:34 AM

    In the grand scheme of things… Who threw the first stone?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:02 AM

    Israel. They were giving a country in 1947 or so, in the process displacing Palestinians from their land to make room for them. The whole thing was done out of guilt by the US and UK. Then the Israelis got greedy and wanted more land. They ooze entitlement and so they go attacking the neighbouring territories because they want more and more. They’ll never be satisfied and they are allowed to behave like this because they’re a better ally to have than enemy. Simple as that.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:15 AM

    Gaza. They continuously fire rockets harming and killing innocent Israelis. I don’t blame Israel for wanting to defend itself!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:35 AM

    not greed mate but defending its country The Arabs were ready to attack Israel in 67 but Israel did a pre-emptive strike and defeated ALL their armies the land is the spoils of war.They then launched an attack in 73 and were again defeated when will they ever learn.They want Israels total destruction not peace no country would just allow their enemy to walk over them and Israel never will.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:47 AM

    David…its on the record.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:07 AM

    Simple as that?

    No Aoife, it is damned complicated. IT started back in the 19th century with a Hungarian dreamer reacting against French antisemitism in the Dreyfus case and hooking into the zeitgeist of racial theorising in European academia(you could go further back into 2 millennia of Papal and European anti-semitism and racist superiority), which incidentally also gave us the parallel Aryan Teutonic delusions of master-race idiocy(the Jewish people, like many tribes, had a self-promotional conviction of themselves as a ‘chosen people’).

    It graduated through the Balfour deal struck with a Russian chemist, Chaim Weizmann(later Israel’s first president)in exchange for a synthetic plasticiser for acetone, necessary ingredient for cordite production at a very critical stage of WW I.
    The transition from coal to oil as the fuel for industrialisation and imperiast hegemony compounded US and British diversion of post-war refugees away from their own shores and into the useful colonial fortress of Zion in the oil sump of the planet.

    But you are a damn sight closer to the facts that the two apologists following you.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:11 PM

    @frankie: ” the land is the spoils of war”

    Actually its not. The principal of ‘no title by conquest’ is well established, hence why the west bank and golan heights are considered to be occupied territory under international law.

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    Nov 16th 2012, 1:55 AM

    Wouldnt be the end of 2012 without a war in middle east now would it. Oh and just a few days after the US presidential election ends, back to business as usual… need something to keep us watching Skynews

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:54 AM

    Meanwhile the native Palestinians are locked inside of Gaza as if its a prison. If I were in the position they are in, if be doing the same thing.

    It’s ridiculous the claim Israel uses to justify its existence. Should be also march into Istanbul and claim that it belongs to the Byzantines/Greeks and basically strip the natives of their land? Sounds ludicrous, doesn’t it? Well that is the logic of zionists sadly.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:11 AM

    So Israel has no right to exist?
    Hamas,yes?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:22 AM

    They just marched in during the early 20th century and basically denied the Palestinian “right to exist” as a nation. Almost all Israelis are of European origin.
    They justify their right to exist by pointing out the holocaust, yet they degrade the Palestinians the same way the Germans did to the Jews. Hypocritical, no?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:08 PM

    Hello, Dodge. Hamas is to Gaza what the IRA & their Loyalist counterparts have been to N Ireland. I do believe that the the ordinary Gazan wants to simply get on with their lives, to live & let live peacefully among themselves & with Israel. Hamas are a terrorist organisation who are keeping the ordinary Gazan down. They impose themselves on peoples roofs to launch rocket attacks & God help anyone who tries to stop them. The terrorists in N Ireland use to do that over the troubles. Use innocent people as a cover. Israel was bombarded with missiles for a very long time that led up to yesterday’s strike against an known terrorist & I applaud Israel for doing do. We all saw it on TV. A direct hit with no one else around. Once again, the “poor Palestinians” brigade can’t see fact from fiction & there is no food, medical, water or any other shortage in Gaza. As I suggested, utube Pallywood.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:17 PM

    Declan..there are dead children in Gaza today because of the Israeli strikes…the BBC is not a Hamas mouthpiece..quite the opposite..it allowed an Israeli spokjesman yesterday claim Hamas came to power by coup.

    Hamas were elected in an internationally monitored election. Israel has a major propaganda industry know as hasbara, search it before they pull the information with their cyberwarriors.
    Nor did the IRA start the terror in the north(read Kitson’s ‘Low Intensity Operations’) if you are too young to remember.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:21 PM

    Should read “for doing so …”.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:13 PM

    A country called Palestine never existed, it was a region that was pretty much anyone’s gameball after the Ottoman Empire and Jordan occupied until after WW2. It was never officially belongin to anyone, people lived there and most of them were Jews anyway. The land was and parts of it still remain undecided where Israel has been building upon, land that technically is unresolved, so they’re technically doing nothing wrong.

    The so called prison is self inflicted, its a wall that was erected to keep out the bloody suicide bombers that simply walked into the streets of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv to blow up innocent men, women and kids.?
    The wall is completely necessary for that very reason or do you not agree.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:52 AM

    The key difference is that Israel is occupying large swathes of Palestinian territory. Their mere presence makes them a military occupier. Not to mention they are building settlements on a massive scale while deporting local Palestinians to forge some kind of claim on those lands. Palestine fires rockets on an occupying force who has no problem with mass evictions based on race and religion, yet they are terrorists and cowards.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:08 AM

    Nonsense-Israel has every right to be there-and if you think killing its civilians is justified-then it says all we need to know about you.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:20 AM

    So it’s ok for Israel to bomb city areas in the name of “defense” and kill innocent civilians but when Hamas do it then its horrible? That quite frankly tells me all I need to know about you.

    Israel have NO right to be in Palestinian lands. It is a complete violation of international law and the only reason the UN isn’t in there right now is thanks to the continuing blind support from the US. Israel doesn’t respond to words. Another commenter pointed out that they refused to sit at a negotiating table 3 days ago. Clearly it suits Israel’s agenda more to kill Palestinians rather than talk to them.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:15 AM

    Fair enough the Israelis are no angels but they are hardly going to stand idly by after the death of 3 of its citizens. Like the above poster stated it takes two to tango.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:45 PM

    You DO realsie that those 3 israelis died AFTER israel killed 3 children and a pregnant woman yesterday, don’t you??

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:26 PM

    What about the death of 1400 Palestinians ?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:03 PM

    And a comment to the repliers… you do realise that Hamas were firing rockets for 10 years, so what do you expect Israel to do?
    just accept that like it’s Hamas god’s given right? let it be?
    For some reason I can’t understand how killing israelis is fine/acceptable/ok and no one will doubt what Hamas is doing, but when israel is being offensive rather than defensive in order to stop Hamas from firing for the long run, and in the process people die, all the sudden it’s not acceptable.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:56 AM

    Exactly, Steo. The media never report that. It’s anti Israel at all costs. Show Israel in a bad light at all costs & ignore the murder of Christians in the Muslim world.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:30 AM

    Well said Jenni. Being a Jew and being an Israeli are two seperate things, just like being Catholic and being Irish. People must learn to seperate the two. I know Jews, Christians and Muslims, who all live in Israel. I am a Jew, I am Irish, I choose to support Israel, however I could still choose not to. My relegion does not dictate all my political choices. It is important that people refrain from using terms like Jews or Muslims when discussing countries or politics in order to avoid anti-semitic / anti-islamic statements.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:25 AM

    @Relevant … I am not proud of murder of any kind & being 8 months pregnant myself I am of course upset at this but do you think this terrorist gave a flying whatsit who he killed in Israel or do the lives of jews not matter? I may not be a supporter of murder but in this case we should rejoice that a known and self called terrorist is dead.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:48 AM

    The terrorists have been firing rockets into Israel for YEARS. The Israel Defense Force targeted the terrorist head who was responsible – and killed him. Get your facts straight people

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:41 AM

    The state of Israel has created the biggest ghetto/prison in the world, consistently grabs more land from the Palestinian people on a daily basis and you have the cheek to call them terrorists? When Palestinians fight their called “Terrorists”,when Israel fights its “protecting its people”. What a bunch of deceitful hypocrites.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:26 PM

    Hi Rachel,

    Would you mind me asking you a couple of questions? I’ve a curious nature. What brings you to the Journal? I see you’re from New York. How did you find your way to this website and this thread? It’s just that, I comment here daily and have never seen you comment here other than today, and only on this topic.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:55 PM

    Hi Rachel
    The Pallestinian groups firing rockets into israel are wrong and any injuries and deaths suffered are to be condemed!
    But, Do youconsider the murder of innocent Pallestinian women,children and men by The israeli Authorities yesterday and also the thousands killed in Gazza a few years ago as being ok??

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:57 PM

    @Petr

    Probably a fair chance that she is a member of the Jewish Internet Defense League, I’m sure you’ve been debating against them for years :)
    I’m not a commenter myself but I’m glad you are (and others like Damien F)

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:59 PM

    You are fair pretentious Petr, is this your personal site than noboby else can comment on?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:13 PM

    Yeah just like the poll carried out by the Irish Independent where it showed half of the Irish people support military action against Iran??

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:29 PM

    Good trolling Niazi..take it all down the side strret away from the immediate zionist atrocity and Obama’s approval.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:36 PM

    Learned from the best, Damien Flinter.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:04 AM

    Israel has every right to defend itself.The usual ignorance that abounds on here is just pantomime stuff.
    If anything,Israel is getting a lot of criticism from its own citizens for its restraint.
    What country in the world would accept rockets raining down on its citizens??
    Imagine that scenario in Southern/Northern Ireland-cue invasion.
    The “Jews this”,the “Jews that”-pitiful.
    Israel is the most advanced democracy in that region,where ALL its citizens are cherished-not just “Jews”.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:14 AM

    Well said robbie. The rest of you should take a trip over there and really see whats happening and not just believe all you read. It might open your eyes and minds.
    my last word on it.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:26 AM

    Totally agree Pat … those that believe everything they read in Irish media are fools and need to get to Israel to see the truth for themselves before making a judgement.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:54 AM

    Been there, and done that. Took the blinkers off when I left. And stop trying to reduce the argument to ‘the Jews’ – anyone’s religion is not a problem, ever. It is the Zionist who are driving this war, the American support is based on morbid Zionism, not money and funding. You will find plenty brave Jewish organisation who are anti-zionist, and oppose the occupation.

    And for those idiots who say ‘get over there’, the problem is you can’t. You can get to Israel easily, but it is impossible to get to gaza – it is an open prison. They give the people in gaza water, electricity and medical supplies? If you replace ‘give’ with ‘control’ or ‘ration’, you would be closer to the mark.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:03 AM

    Did you go to gazza, to see the real truth? The real truth is that during Israel’s illegal occupation and the fighting that has followed Israel has killed 10 Palestinians for every one Israeli killed!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:10 AM

    Completely agree Jenni/Pat. It’s disturbing the obsession the Irish left have hating Israel.

    Ironic that the same people are often Sinn Fein IRA supporters. Wonder how they would have felt if Britain retaliated by bombing Ireland in the 80′s or 90′s after the barbaric bombing campaign by the IRA.

    Israel has every right to defend itself. There are two sides to this fight, bad things happening on both but people
    Need to try see things with some perspective.

    Another thing where are these anti Israelis when palestinians were mistreated by other Muslim states. Same as the way they choose to ignore violence in Syria etc. once the “Jews” are involved they get outraged.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:55 PM

    Robbie/Mark, you mention northern Ireland in your posts. Would you have supported the British army firing missiles at catholic housing estates in response to IRA attacks as well? If there were 3 dead catholic babies and a dead pregnant catholic woman this morning instead of muslim ones would you be on here talking about britains right to defend itself?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:22 PM

    @werejammin – No I wouldn’t defend anyone if they indiscriminately attacks anyone.

    You seem to have a warped view here. Israel took out a key terrorist figure who was “bravely” hiding out in built up areas as they normally do, or in hospitals or schools so in the event of an attack there are civilian deaths creating an enormous propaganda scoop which you obviously buy into. The IRA did the exact same they made sure any atrocity was highlighted but were quick enough to try bury or deny their own horrific and dastardly acts to innocent men, women and children.

    Its Hamas who do the indiscriminate attacks firing hundreds of rockets each year. Israel of course has the right to defend itself especially when no arab recognises Israel and want to wipe all Jews off the map. How can Israel seek peace with a neighbor who threatens to open the gates of hell to destroy it. There is no middle ground – like the north they both have to give way and sit down for anything to happen.

    I’m not denying Israel don’t commit horrendous acts but it takes two to tango. Most people in Ireland refuse, completely and utterly in some sort romantic fraternity with the Palestinians to ignore the Israeli version of events.

    You can’t condemn Israel and forget the atrocities committed Hamas. Shame on you if you do.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:59 PM

    Robbie
    You condem the injury and killing of innocent israeli civillians due to rocket attacks.
    Simple question for you – do you also condem all the injury and killing of the many innocent Palestinian women and children over the last number of years,by israel authorities?? Simple yes or no question

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    Nov 15th 2012, 2:02 PM

    @ Mark
    Your last answer is very saddening and proves we will never have world peace with people like you about.
    “hiding out in a public place” .. Dont insult the readers intelligence also

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:19 PM

    Nigel so you disagree with my comment that both sides have to sit down, both have to be willing to negotiate similar to what happened up in the Northern Irish peace process and both have to committed to a cease fire. Israel will have to stop encroaching on Palestine land and in reverse Hamas etc have to stop this “wipe Israel and all Jews” off the earth.

    It’s a well known fact that they hide in public places. These terrorists believe a Martyred death will lead them to Heaven they care not if women, kids etc are killed in the process too.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:24 AM

    Gershon Baskin’s, a key mediator in the release of Gilad Shalit, has this to say via Facebook:

    ‘What an amazing coincidence – for the third time i am told “there isn’t enough time to put you on air” first on London-Kirschenbaum on Channel 10, then of Channel 1 news last night and now on IDF radio. Is there a mysterious hand behind preventing the Israeli public from learning that the arch terrorist Ahmed Jaabri was prepared to enter into a long-term ceasefire with Israel?’

    Why on earth would the poor besieged Zionist state murder an Hamas leader “prepared to enter into a long-term ceasefire with Israel”?

    The Israeli leadership would want to be institutionally, even pathologically, opposed to peace to be doing stuff like that.

    Hmmm….

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:33 AM

    *Gershon Baskin

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:20 PM

    Because theres an election coming up and the warmongers in the israeli governments best chances of reelection is to make sure people are voting during a war rather than during peace talks with hamas.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:20 AM

    Israel has the right to defend its citizens and its borders!!!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:46 AM

    You mean the border that they’re extending everyday in Palestinian territories? On your statement, then Palestinians are only defending their citizens and borders. What makes it ok for the Israelis in your eyes?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:26 AM

    You forget, frankie, that Israel was instrumental in supporting Hamas and other Islamic fundamentalists as a sectarian alternative to the secular PA which it wished to undermine(ye olde divide and conquer move).
    Hamas came to power in a monitored election(an Israeli spokesman described it as a coup on the BBC yesterday without fear of contradiction).
    Hasbara rules.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:51 AM

    Quelle surprise! The Americans refuse to condemn, the zio-nazis for yet another terrorist act! This is the true joke about the Obama/Romney support here. It doesn’t matter if its a democrat or republican in the White House, American foriegn policy will always back it’s own dirty interests!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:37 PM

    The same Egypt that tried to invade Israel and has a totally anti Israeli stance. That would be a great idea

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:29 AM

    We are not looking for more violence. The Gaza strip area was constantly bombed by Palestinian terrorists. People there could not live their life. It became a front line storage place for missiles designated to hit central Israel. One can always blame us for using “excessive force” – but please remember: Israel kept this force restrained (and still does) for a very long time. We have the right to defend our citizens. It is our obligation. Don’t be surprised that we are using our army at this time. Be admired that we were so patient and used it as the last resort. Let’s hope that all the sides would put down the guns. Let’s hope that we will all live in peace. Let’s hope that both sides will understand that this is not a good situation – to anyone!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:17 PM

    people cannot live their lives in gaza because the state of Israel deems it fit to blockade the country, starve it of medical supplies and severely limit food imports and other daily essentials. Add to this frequent military operations aimed at civilians of Gaza, which is claimed is a response to rocket attacks. Israeli military operations involving weaponry such as white phospherous (a banned chemical used in cluster bombs that when detonated over an area disperses and burns organic material such as human flesh but leaves synthetic material such as clothing untouched), hellfire missiles, attack helicoptors and tanks, weaponry which is acquired via the hypocritical US government in one form or another. This is in stark contrast to the palestinian arsenal of homemade projectiles, glorified fireworks at best.
    Nissim you seem to have been quick to jump to Israel’s defence as well as busy in this articles comment section spreading your lies and distorted truths. You are a certified mad man if you really believe what you preach.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:38 PM

    So nice of you to say such stuff against me i can really see that you a man of peace good to see your try color man well that’s type of people Israel have to deal with well let me tell you that in thew last year there was 800 missiles fired into Israel!
    let me tell you that people in Gaza gets all the aid they need plus money and in the past also fire arms.
    let me tell you that if a person cant get the medical treatment he need Israel will provide one at Israeli hospital, ask me how do i know, cause i just came back from Israel and i was unfortunately in hospital now who treat me? an Arab doctor in a Israeli hospital!!!!!!!!!
    my friend was hospitalized and all his nurses were Arabs why because Israel try to incorage Arabs to study and work!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    let me tell you that some Palestinians who has to contact with the terror organization go into Israel every day to work!!!!!!!!
    so silly billy bring back the movie u live in fly to Israel and see for urself

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:27 PM

    Wow what humanity, what restraint! You should all get the Nobel prize for peace!! And maybe give the same award posthumously to the Nazis that showed similar qualities during WWII

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:10 AM

    Gaza is an open- air prison reminiscent of the Warsaw Ghetto. Palestinians have had their property stolen from under them since 1948. Simple as.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:12 PM

    Ah yes, Maria, the Warsaw Ghetto, I remember it well — the funparks, the beach resorts, the luxury hotels, the building boom, the obese children… just like Gaza!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:40 PM

    The bulldozers/tanks/phosphorous/sabotage fact they are modelled on former tight ally apartheid who?

    I used to be a pacifist..but its spin like that makes me realise the Palestinians don’t have that option.

    The ethnic cleansing will continue until the Zionist dominance has established its final solution of Palestinian eradication.

    The Jewish people should have learned better than that from their history.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:05 PM

    I have noticed that whenever there’s a thread dealing with Palestine, all these Zionists appear who never normally comment on the Journal. A quick look at their FB/Twitter shows they have no ties to Ireland.

    Are they checking the Journal every day to see if Israel gets a mention? Hardly. I suspect they are organised propagandists. Nothing wrong with that of course, but thought it should be pointed out.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:41 PM

    Aha.. This might go some way to explaining it. Anyone would think they’re so insecure about the rightness of their ’cause’ that they have to rally the troops when the topic comes up on the Journal!!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 2:00 PM

    Yes because Carroll, O’Flaherty, McDonald, Burke, Casey, Loughlin, McDemott, and Kelleher are Israeli surnames; nothing Irish about those surnames at all….

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:59 PM

    I may not be a regular journal poster by I’m Irish through and through. I also commented on the referendum. I have no interest in commenting on football articles, celeb gossip, etc!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:16 AM

    Going to get worse, rocket after hitting apartment building in Israel killing 3 people

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:13 AM

    But on here that wont matter,they were only Jews,not terrorists.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:27 PM

    Keep up stalking and personalised abuse haemorrhoid.

    Or do you take your pseudonym from factoid?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:58 PM

    Just pointing out that you’re no man to be coming on here lecturing others about spreading ‘disinformation’, given your own track record in this regard.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 2:25 PM

    Serial liar?
    Be sure to tell me exactly where I have lied.
    The rest of your infantile post doesn’t really warrant a response, except perhaps to point out your hypocrisy again re. ad hominem attacks.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:12 PM

    Troll on, factoid…your cover is blown

    I ain’t feeding you.

    Slan and shalom.

    Don’t forget yer butter if yer goin our to smear.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:24 PM

    But @Robbie

    Were those kids terrorist too?

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/11/20121115135540965773.html

    You’ll have to keep playing with yourself factoid/troll, there are issues to be dealt with.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 4:49 PM

    Ok Damien – you publicly call me a serial liar and yet when I challenge you on it you can’t provide one single example of my ‘lies’.

    Instead you make a thinly veiled reference to your previously stated bizarre belief that I’m a professional propagandist working for Israel.

    Go away back to your fantasy world.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 5:57 PM

    No Damien, I picked you up on it because you blatantly misquoted a published report in an attempt to publicly distort its findings to somehow justify your own preconceived worldview, not because of any perceived ‘agenda’ you mistakenly believe I may have.

    Unfortunately you still appear to refuse to acknowledge your distortion of the report’s findings despite me twice providing black and white proof of your peddled untruths.

    Goodbye.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 6:57 PM

    Good riddance anonymous tendentious factoid….when you identify yourself before accusing people of lying I’ll give you some credence, provided you are addressing issues for a change.
    You landed in again today with nothing but distractive personal insult to divert from a serious issue.
    Or maybe, as your name implies, you are just a troll-program loop, triggered by anything that alerts your right-wing reflexology.
    Don’t forget your butter when your spinning out your smears.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:03 AM

    To everyone supporting Israel. You all seem to be forgetting how the country came to be and why they started a war with the Palestine territory. Israel is a greedy, war-mongering nation. Most of the land they claim belongs to Palestine. If anyone has a right to attack it’s Palestine as it’s their territory originally. They are the ones defending themselves, they are the ones who are losing land over this. How do you expect them to behave when the world stands back and lets this hostile take over continue. The US would have rushed in on their (Palestine) side decades ago were it not for guilt over WWII. They would have stepped in but it’s more beneficial to them to have the plague that is Israel on their side then as an enemy. That is not a far way to decide a countries fate, but that’s politics and that’s how the US operates, slyly.
    Here’s a pic showing the loss of Palestinian land and the expansion of Israel: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=511132078905870&set=a.176147005737714.38711.167184886633926&type=1&theater

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:00 AM

    so u think Jewish people shouldn’t have a country and should be dead, thanks.
    let me tell u that in 48 they refused a Jewish state and still do in 67 4 Arabs countries attacked Israel in order to destroy it and kill all Jewish people but luckily we came out winners and in that war we claimed territories that are rightly ours.
    FYI before Israel was Israel there was no Palestinian state it was under the British role so don’t tell me we took their land we took it from the British it was never Palestinian state.
    and as it says in the Jewish bible which all religions are following cause it is the foundation to all religions the land will wait for the Jewish people to claim back and that’s why such a small territory between huge countries stayed without a state for so long till the Jewish people claim it back.
    and i am for a 2 state country but as Palestinian that don’t recognize in my right to live on this planet

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:53 PM

    Independent source Aoife????

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    Nov 15th 2012, 2:07 PM

    Nissim

    Its the 21st century.

    Do you mean Jews as a sect or a tribe?

    Shoukld every tribe/sect have a territorial enclave defended by nuclear weapons and exclusive to that its own self-definition based on it ancient folklore?

    Genetics has burst the racial bubble delusion, and science has transcended religious/superstitious modes of thought.

    Try inclusive humanity, all the other tribalisms are ultimately fratricidal. You can still remain Jewish. It works for Iranian Jews. And Irish, including(as in Iran)at least one public representative.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:18 PM

    nissim
    nobody said you should be dead. all that area was transjordan under british rule but there were locals living there and they are the homeless Palestinians also just because some colonial power granted you land does not mean that it is rightfully yours. how many different powers have ruled that place over the century’s.I think you need to read history not just zionist propaganda.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:21 AM

    So for all the Israeli supporters, condemning Israel’s illegal actions, somehow equates to supporting Hamas. About time Israel and its supporters dropped the chip on its shoulders, two wrongs don’t make a right, especially when Israel’s wrongs are by far in a way the bigger!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:47 AM

    I find it hard to believe that Hamas with their rockets are any threat to Israel since they have access to all modern weapons; nukes, f-16s, tanks and the list goes on…

    Hamas actions are not justified firing 1 rocket or 100s into civilian population, but I guess when someone is stealing your land each year bit by bit, not allowing foreign aid to get through and killing aid workers and protestors who support palestine than they also have a right to fight back with whatever they have.

    But somehow Israel justifies killing 100s of people, destroying their infrastructure, whatever was spared by their Jets and Tanks in 2008 strikes, just because they are a ‘proposed’ threat.

    To me if the Israel wants war they will find a reason, they have the media, US Dollars, UN Veto thanks to the US.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:43 AM

    yes murtaza with our arsenal we can wipe all Gaza off the map and Israel could do this long time before you were born but we are humans we wont do such things.
    Israel try to minimized civilian death so they target the terrorist like this guy yesterday

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    Nov 15th 2012, 2:02 PM

    Muqtedar Khan: “While we loudly and consistently condemn Israel .. we are silent when Muslim regimes abuse the rights of Muslims and slaughter thousands of them. Remember Saddam and his use of chemical weapons against Muslims (Kurds)? Remember Pakistani army’s excesses against Muslims (Bengalis)? Remember the Mujahideen of Afghanistan and their mutual slaughter? Have we ever condemned them for their excesses? Have we demanded international intervention or retribution against them? Do you know how the Saudis treat their minority Shiis? Have we protested the violation of their rights? But we all are eager to condemn Israel; not because we care for rights and lives of the Palestinians, we don’t. We condemn Israel because we hate ‘them’.”

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:43 AM

    Im sure Israel wants peace with the Palestinians but Hamas will have no truck with it they want Israels destruction its on record.I feel for a lot of the Palestinians who deep down would like a 2 state solution and peace between their countries but while Hamas is in charge it will never happen.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:13 AM

    Wise up fast: the Israelis are the good guys and the head choppers want us all dead. I expect a lot of the ignorant anti Israeli sentiment here goes back to that good old, ingrained Catholic Jew hatred.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:28 PM

    Standard hasbara technique 47b, subsection 231:

    Accuse all objective critics giving historical facts of antisemitism.

    The only ‘facts’ are those established ‘on the ground’ at drone-point.

    All heil the sacred factoids of biblical folklore.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 5:29 PM

    My brother did 5 tours of the Lebanon and he saw Many innocent people being slaughtered by the Israelis not the Palestinians so you excuse about Israel being the good guys is false.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:08 PM
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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:27 AM

    The Muslim Brotherhood is in power in Egypt. They should send the Egyptian Army into Gaza to liberate its population (it will be a change from shooting protesters).

    Victory to the Palestinian resistance!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:55 PM

    The Egyptians tried that before and got their a***s well and truly kicked, don’t think they will try that again. Read a book or two

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:14 PM

    Tony,

    Dave commented on what they should do, not what he thinks they will do. There difference isn’t subtle.

    The US bought the Egyptian military elite off at Camp David, and have kept them suckling nicely on the ‘aid’ tit ever since. If the Egyptian public dictated foreign policy things would be quite different.

    The MB/SCAF are little better than the Zionists.

    PS If you didn’t get most of the references in my comment, I’d suggest reading more on the topic. A book might be better than Wiki.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:09 PM

    Books and Wikipedia are both written by people. I could write a book and it could be a complete piece of crap.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:19 PM

    And I don’t doubt that it would be, Kevin.

    The point is that too many people are lifting talking points from Wiki and other places online. It’s not a substitute for proper study of the conflict, which involves reading books published by credible publishers, written by credible authors. That’s a quality control you don’t get online, with the exception of certain e-journals and some excellent blogs.

    As someone old enough to remember a time when there was no internet, I can spot an internet ‘expert’ a mile off!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:48 PM

    I’ve read a book or two Tony. Actually the 73 war was touch and go for awhile, as you would know if you knew anything about it.

    After all the Israeli army hasn’t fought a proper army in awhile now, they mainly stick to bombing children.
    The last time they fought someone who could fight back, Hezbollah, they were completely humiliated.

    So I think an advanced army like Egypt’s could put it up to the Israeli’s, and I’m sure the majority of Egyptians would like to see the army used to defend the people of Gaza. I think its about bloody time someone put it up to them, because no one else will.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:57 PM

    Some of thepeople killed so far:

    Omar al-Mashharawi (11 months), Renan Yousif Arafat (3), Mohammed Kusaih (18), Esam Abu Me’za (19) and Heba al-Mashharawi (19).

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:16 PM

    It says a lot about who has their hands on the levers of power in America. Palestine never harmed America but their gallant Israeli ally did. Remember the attack on the USS Liberty, when Israeli planes attacked the American ship, killing and wounding American servicemen in an attempt to stir up animosity between America and Egypt.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:25 AM

    Our society call upon our Students’ Union, elected Student Officers, our elected representatives at the Northern Ireland Assembly and Westminster to condemn the latest escalation of violence by the state of Israel.

    Any group that knowingly targets areas of concentrated civilian population cannot justify their actions by using the argument of self-defense. In Gaza right now we have arrived yet again at a situation where the cycle of violence is constantly re-emerging with devastating impacts for both innocent Palestinian and Israeli civilians.

    The State of Israel’s disproportionate use of violence evidently doesn’t stop the launching of rockets from the Gaza strip, but rather further perpetuates the conflict in a manner that destroys lives and traumatizes entire groups of people thus endangering Israeli and Palestinian lives a hundredfold.

    Cases where genuine terrorists are found should be seen as an opportunity to arrest and put them on a fair trial with the use of evidence to gain a conviction.

    We note that nothing is gained through judicial executions or the assassinating of people regardless of their guilt in crimes previously committed.

    Israel has clearly outlined that its agenda is not one of peace but rather a deceptive divergence beyond the purported line of protection for its own citizens. It can be argued that violent actions from Israel and Hamas only further endanger the lives of Israeli civilians as evidenced by the increased number of injuries caused by the launching of projectiles into Israeli territory. Rocket fire from militant groups such as Hamas is also rightly condemned.

    We request that our representatives seek a robust solution to real issues so as to safeguard the lives of civilians. Any activity that harms or targets civilians is to be rightly criticised and repudiated as a criminal act breaching international law.

    Israel must be pressured into agreeing to a ceasefire as soon as possible in the hopes of safeguarding the basic rights of innocent human beings who suffer as a result of the continuing escalation of the resurgence in violence. No amount of stern words will bring about a resolution to this military assault which is why we firmly believe robust action and sanctions holding Israel to account for its knowing participation in the targeting and killing civilians is desperately needed.

    It is time to for us to act for the sake of human rights and an end to human rights violations and corrosive violence.

    http://blogs.qub.ac.uk/palestinesolidarity/2012/11/15/statement-on-the-escalation-of-violence-in-gaza/

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    Nov 15th 2012, 5:57 PM

    Aka Queens SF

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:02 AM

    Bang on Jenni.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:38 AM

    It is obvious that for some there is no room for Jews anywhere. The Jewish state was almost ioo years in the making. It was approved internationally by the League of Nation after WWI (before the Holocaust) and Britain was given the Mandate to bring it about. They immediately hived off 90 per cent of the land to an Arab Kingdom but did everything it could to prevent the ‘Jewish homeland. even inciting and encouraging Arab attacks even though Arab leaders saw the Jews’ presence as an advantage for the region. Indeed thousands of Arabs were attracted to the area ‘by the economic activity in a region that was totally depressed economically before the advent of oil. Then the UN approved a fraction of the existing land for a Jewish State. Even this was too much and the surrounding Arab countries attacked to destroy Israel. They lost in 48. They lost in 67. They lost in 73. Israel has only taken action when threatened. Those who wish Israel to be gone do not accept any defense. There is no point in even discussing the issue with them.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:29 PM

    deferentially

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:53 AM

    I’m sure it would be a lot easier to sort this mess out, were religion not involved. ‘Divine’ claims to land and religious intolerance is the massive ‘spanner in the works’, so to speak.
    Didn’t the Israeli army have to remove jewish settlers from Palestinian territories? Politically they had no right to be there, but, their ‘holy book’ said otherwise.
    They’ve been at it so long, I can’t see the hate dissipating any time soon, unfortunately. And as always, the innocents get caught in the middle.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:12 AM

    Barack.. Lets stay out of this one , just getting out of a war, don’t butt into another

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:24 PM

    He’s already up to his butt in it.

    It is a client, Marilyn.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:05 PM

    Alright folks, there have been a good few accusations thrown around on here in comments. Please keep on topic and avoid personal comments about any of the other readers or about the author (ie me!). If any of you are unclear on our commenting policy, here’s a lovely link for you: http://www.thejournal.ie/comments-policy/

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    Nov 16th 2012, 12:03 AM

    Always seems to happen whenever Israel / Palestine is mentioned on this site … for some funny reason.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 5:27 PM

    This now is where me and America part company. They constantly support Israeli terrorism. No doubt lots of innocent people killed.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:05 PM

    OMG don’t do it please, how will the USA survive without you

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:01 PM

    If Hamas put down their weapons today, there would be peace. However, if Israel put down their weapons today, there would be no Israel. ISRAEL have every right to defend THEIR state!!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:25 PM

    Lotsa trolls steaming up the thread to divert from the issue..the US support for yesterdays drone-strike that killed and injured many women, children and innocent men.

    But then Obama has his own litany of collateral civilian drone-damage from his Cheyney/Bush continuation of the PNAC policy.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:35 PM

    I like the fact that some people here think that 1.5 million refugees from 1940′s europe had this grand scheme of coming to geographical area formerly called Palestine, and decided to displace people and steal their lands.
    I just love the fact that people choose to forget that some countries and some nations decided to declare a war on Jewish people that were seeking for better future after 2nd world war, in this tiny land, when no other country will take them in and give them refuge.

    The above is old news, but just felt like sharing my point of view on how funny that sounds…

    The thing is, firing rockets nowadays on the people of israel will acheive nothing, the people of gaza do not benefit from these lovely rods being fired on Israel, they could have however benefited from this money that is being spent on these rockets.

    People that are trying to justify this act of terror by offering a weak argument in the form of “israel stole their land” simply choose to ignore that fact that these rods are deadly and these rods actually kill people, and that israel will not give these “stolen” land back when an entity such as hamas is firing rockets on israel on a daily basis and with a goal to destory israel – does it actually make sense to you to give them more land and get them closer to central israel where nearly 2 million people live?

    Gaza got itself where it is because Hamas chose to hurt the israeli people, the people of gaza will not have a better future as long as Hamas is in power, and you can forget about “israel stole their land” argument because israel will not give them anything back and will not accept anyone firing rockets on their citizens.

    so it all comes to this – you stop firing, and israel will follow suit.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:01 AM

    It’s on unfortunately here we go .

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:02 PM

    Yeah, those poor Israeli invaders and land grabbers, they really suffer…

    Anyway, you guys need to get your facts straight, Egypt brokered a truce between the various parties several times.

    I just think this time the election season has begun and unfortunately an Israeli premier isn’t reelected is he doesn’t kill a few palestinians.

    When it comes to the media, perhaps the media is a little more non-bias then you and that’s where the problem lies. But thank goodness for you guys there is always the israeli and US press to help you there.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:17 PM

    No surprise there then ! Welcome back Obama !!! Yeah 4 more years of doing nothing .

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:29 PM

    Romney’s views of the palestinian people were even worse, unfortunately…

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:43 AM

    well said David

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:47 PM

    This is a really terrible situation for the civilians caught in the middle on both sides. The terrible thing is both sides have unrealistic unattainable aims. Distasteful as it may be to both sides they have to swallow their hateful rhetoric and face facts. Both sides while having their own perceived justifications are morally and legally wrong in the actions they are carrying out.
    Hamas & Islamic Jihad cannot achieve anything constructive by continuing to target Israeli civilians, Israel is not going anywhere they must face that fact. All they are doing is further alienating ordinary Israelis and pushing them towards extremist political parties with fanatical religious views.
    The Israeli government has to give up its negative rhetoric about the Palestinian problem because the Palestinians are not going away either. Again the policies of the government towards new settlements push the possibility of a solution further away. These policies combined with the military action drive ordinary Palestinians to extremism as well.
    What are both sides achieving? Nothing, besides macho political posturing, to the ordinary man in the street it may look like some kind of action against the enemy. However, besides killing, wounding and alienation the actions of both sides achieves absolutely zilch. Both sides have to take responsibility for the ordinary people on both sides who are suffering. Those who hold office in both camps have a duty to engage in honest dialogue to break the deadlock. Unfortunately I have to be honest here and say it will not happen, Why? Because it would take real courage to step up to the mark and say to each other, this cannot continue, lets discuss realistically how we can solve this. It would take really tremendous courage to do this, which sadly, is lacking in this situation. Instead the world is forced to look on as the cowards on both sides hide behind their macho military machines, and the powerless continue to suffer.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 3:22 PM

    Why can’t people just all get along ?? Live and let live , and stop all the bickering and fighting and war FFS

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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:41 PM

    Of course!! Let the Israelis and Palestinians all sit down together and behave like CHRISTIANS!!!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:22 PM

    Actually, David, the vast majority of American Jews do NOT support Zionist aggression.

    Its AIPAC, mega-bullion lobby group that distorts the picture through buying congresswo/men and hasbara propaganda.

    Among their strategies are the actual driving of anti-semitism as a stick to beat opposition.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:08 PM

    Damien There were two phases in Hamas’ rise to power in Gaza, so the Israeli spokesperson was not telling an untruth. The first was the monitored election in 2006 that gave them a majority over Fatah. The second was the violent coup of June-July 2007 when they physically eliminated their already electorally defeated Fatah rivals, often by the charming device of throwing them off rooftops with bound hands. On each of these occasions they escalated their rocket fire into Israel, and it was after the second that Israel began its arms embargo (or ‘siege’ in Hamas groupie language) on the Gaza Strip to try to prevent the smuggling of the weaponry that has been in use for the last week.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:46 AM

    The rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel for YEARS, not days. Thousands of rockets have been fired in the past two years, and the IDF targeted the terrorist head who was responsible.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:55 AM

    *We

    Damn autocorrect!

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    Nov 21st 2012, 1:56 PM

    israeli hobby (kill the innocent peoples ) now at the peek point

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    Nov 21st 2012, 1:59 PM

    israeli hobby (kill the innocent peoples ) now at the peek point

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    Nov 17th 2012, 6:09 AM

    ….well look what …”Americans” did to the indigenous people’s of what is now the “USA”…

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    Nov 16th 2012, 9:47 AM

    Excellent video Nissim — unanswerable facts there. Bottom line: “One side in this wants the other dead”

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    Nov 16th 2012, 1:09 PM

    If the missiles stopped, there would be no response from Israel.

    If there was no terrorism there would be no violence.

    Those who sow terror will bring violence upon themselves and those around them.

    Max Roytenberg, Dublin

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    Nov 16th 2012, 3:08 PM

    If there was no illegal and brutal occupation, Apartheid, Ethnic cleansing and land theft, there would be no missiles.

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    Nov 17th 2012, 3:59 AM

    The Irish people do not support terrorist Israel .

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    Nov 17th 2012, 6:18 AM

    ….that is sense….Max R….

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