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Catherine Murphy is among those said to be on the brink of forming a new party. Photocall Irealnd

Don't hold your breath for that new political party...

Analysis: The latest stories about a new party being imminent are nothing new.

THERE WAS A but of buzz in political circles this morning after The Irish Times and Irish Independent both led with stories that a new political party is imminent.

Both papers reported that three prominent independent TDs, Catherine Murphy, Róisín Shortall and Stephen Donnelly have held talks about a new party.

One report said they are “close to an agreement” on what is likely to be a centre-left political party.

We’ve seen similar stories pop up over the past few years in both publications, other newspapers and indeed on TheJournal.ie. Last December we estimated there were at least six potential new parties or alliances being spoken about.

Over the last two years, the only political party that has emerged out of all this chat is Renua Ireland and it has so far failed to capture the public’s imagination.

The most recent Red C opinion poll put the party on a statistically insignificant one per cent. Despite support ebbing away from the category of ‘independents and others’ it has gone back to the government parties and not Renua.

This was something we asked party leader Lucinda Creighton about in a recent interview.

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While it is “early days” for the new party, its less than convincing performance so far leads one to wonder why a group of independent TDs and Senators would be inclined to go down a similar route and enter a formal party structure.

Those reported to be involved in this latest endeavour are all strong-minded independents. They owe their success to their personal brand and aligning themselves to a party may not be the best strategy.

Catherine Murphy has made headlines recently for her sterling work on the Siteserv/IBRC/Denis O’Brien controversy.

The Kildare North deputy was at the forefront of the the Independents’ Network, a loose alliance of non-party candidates, formed last year for the local and European elections.

It had a credible nineteen of its 36 members elected – two MEPS and seventeen councillors – but despite some pushing for a more formal structure after that electoral success, nothing happened.

Some of those involved have split off into the Shane Ross-led Independent Alliance whose stated aims are not exactly capturing voters’ eyes – if they’re even aware of them at all.

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Stephen Donnelly toyed with the idea of getting involved with the Ross-led Independent Alliance, before deciding against it earlier this year.

He has long been rumoured to be on the verge of joining one of the established parties and told the Irish Times today that he was “talking to people” about this new party.

But then he’s been doing that for sometime. It’s well-known that the Wicklow TD is keen to get involved in something but his pickiness to date doesn’t lead one to believe he will definitely jump at what’s been mooted.

Shortall was quoted this morning as saying she is “very keen” to talk to people about the idea of a new party.

Yet the Dublin North-West deputy said almost the exact same thing nearly a year ago:

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Some prominent senators are also rumoured to be involved in this new political party.

These include the leading marriage referendum campaigner Katherine Zappone, children’s rights advocate Jillian van Turnhout and former Fianna Fáiler Averil Power.

Zappone has been quietly establishing a base in Dublin South-West in recent months with a view to possibly running there as an independent in the next general election.

Any support she has built up so far would likely have been on the basis of her own personal brand and her strong advocacy for the referendum’s passage. It would seem an odd move to toss all that aside in favour of joining a party.

Meanwhile, Van Turnhout was out early this morning to say she had no involvement in what was being reported:

Power, who was out of the country last week, has already said she’s given little thought to her future political ambitions, if indeed she has any at all.

A recent ad on the front page of her local paper sparked speculation she would run for the Dáil as an independent.

But the biggest problem with all this talk of a new party is that it remains just that: talk.

The longer it goes on the more people switch off. There’s an argument to be made that Renua left it too late to make an impact ahead of a general election. The time for a new party to strike was perhaps not when the economy was as buoyant as it is now or with an election less than a year away.

When Dessie O’Malley established the Progressive Democrats in 1985, he did so at a time when the country’s national debt had skyrocketed, unemployment was at over 17 per cent and there was, within Fianna Fáil, a sizeable amount of people unhappy with the leader Charlie Haughey.

O’Malley and the PDs tapped into the idea that it could do something about the economy and offer a home for anti-Haugheyites, as well as some Fine Gaelers who felt their party was too socially conservative. For many voters that proved, albeit briefly, to be an attractive proposition.

None of what we’ve heard so far about this latest potential political party even comes close.

WATCH: What we know about Renua so far 

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    Dec 28th 2023, 7:20 AM

    The list just goes on and on and on…….

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    Mute ferrett
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    Dec 28th 2023, 7:25 AM

    The whole country has been failed by you and your colleagues Mr. Donnelly

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    Mute Laois Weather
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    Dec 28th 2023, 11:34 AM

    @ferrett: The absolute cheek of Donnelly to ‘blame the country’. HE is the health minister, paid a very handsome salary to manage the health department – sorry Donnelly but the buck stops with you and you’re incompetent.

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    Mute Mr Inbetween
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    Dec 28th 2023, 1:37 PM

    @ferrett: I would like to take this opportunity as an Irish citizen to apologise unreservedly for the homeless/homelessness crises/ health and everything thing else that’s wrong to Mr. Donnelly and his party colleagues in FFG. We the Irish people have failed our FFG government. Shame on us.

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    Mute Shaun Gallagher
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    Dec 28th 2023, 7:44 AM

    100yrs of FFG has certainly helped

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    Mute thomas molloy
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    Dec 28th 2023, 9:58 AM

    @Shaun Gallagher: And with your people it would be ten times worse. Medical care should concern you rather than electioneering. Any actual clinical suggestions ?

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    Mute Seanie
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    Dec 28th 2023, 10:52 AM

    @thomas molloy: What medical care? Medical care in this country is a disaster, is that also electioneering?
    Could you have a look into your chrystal ball there and tell me when is donnelly going to get his finger out? The whole health system is a mess, I’d hate to get seriously ill.

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    Mute Shaun Gallagher
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    Dec 28th 2023, 12:27 PM

    @thomas molloy: With my people? I’ve voted for independent for the last 4 elections. So you are saying they are to blame

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    Mute Thesaltyurchin
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    Dec 28th 2023, 12:51 PM

    @thomas molloy: Yea but that’s hypothetical. Entry-level arguing Thomas.

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    Mute Chris O'Brien
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    Dec 28th 2023, 8:36 AM

    The country did it huh. Not the politicians. How convenient.

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    Mute Jason Ebbs
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    Dec 28th 2023, 9:09 AM

    Nope, not failed by their own country. Failed by you Minister Donnelly.

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    Mute calimero242
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    Dec 28th 2023, 9:59 AM

    Zero accountability -

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    Mute mainmsam
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    Dec 28th 2023, 10:21 AM

    If by country you mean the government then yes 100%

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    Dec 28th 2023, 11:11 AM

    Donnelly says this like he is an innocent bystander on the sidelines. That’s the calibre of politicians and their actual regard for the electorate.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 10:01 AM

    Zero accountability by both the Government and CHI, more useless commitments will be made by the government and will be broken while children suffer and their parents continue to listen to Donnelly’s and Harris’s broken promises.

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    Mute Michael o connor
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    Dec 28th 2023, 10:36 AM

    @john dennehy: donnelly is predicting in the first phase of quarter one, all the data shows that going forward towards the second trimester all the involved parties should be in a position to phase in the next commencement of actions, thus ensuring that by the second phase of quarter one all involved parties will be in a position to move forward strategically towards the stated goal of at least being at the next stage of commencement of the plan layed out in the original documents. Of course that depends entirely on the development plan laid out in the original document, which isn’t actually signed off on yet by the civil servants, being in operation.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 1:19 PM

    @Michael o connor: I chuckled, very Monty Python !

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    Dec 28th 2023, 2:03 PM

    @Michael o connor: Simon Harris committed in 2017 that no child would be waiting no longer than four months for spinal surgery in this country, Donnelly can predict all he wants but both Harris and Donnelly have failed to meet their targets, and the urgent care needs of the helpless children reliant on these two incompetent chancers.

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    Dec 29th 2023, 10:10 PM

    I’m raging for those children in pain. It would serve them better if the Minister for Health arranged to fly them to one of the many countries with a functioning and effective health system for treatment in their actual lifetimes. Clear the waiting lists before you start selling the notion of new projects that certainly won’t be built in time to employ the current generation.

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    Mute Thesaltyurchin
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    Dec 28th 2023, 1:01 PM

    ‘Sometimes other people are in positions that block us from being able to accomplish what we want.’

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    Dec 28th 2023, 1:23 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: LOL, it’s like Steven Staunton putting forward the excuse that Ireland lost because the other team had players trying to take the ball off them.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 10:26 AM

    “Failed by their own country”
    As a country we would have made damn sure their surgeries were done and no waiting lists.
    So no Mr. Donnelly, failed by FFG party yet again.

    What a disgusting spin to put on such a sad story.

    People please dont vote for this horrible party

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    Dec 28th 2023, 3:08 PM

    The Health Service needs an additional 1,000 beds per year just to keep up with demand on services, it got 162 in 2023. Stop and think about that for a moment. This means, year after year, it’s running into a deficit, the government are well aware of it and yet chose to do nothing about it. The effects are inevitable, longer queues, overworked staff, the appearance that they’re throwing money into a Health Service without achieving results. The Health Service is collapsing before our eyes.

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    Mute F Fitzgerald
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    Dec 29th 2023, 10:13 PM

    @Boyne Shark: Where are the staff going to live? It’s not going into adequate housing either.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 8:12 AM

    Issues like this should make those who constantly objected to, delaying and therefore tripling the cost of the new Children’s Hospital should be ashamed. Obstructing progress for political vote hunting should be stopped.

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    Mute Michael o connor
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    Dec 28th 2023, 10:27 AM

    @thomas molloy: nope, Bertie aherns building it where they have instead of a new site off the N7 has massively delayed it. But Fianna fail had to get there cut of brown envelopes.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 11:41 AM

    @Michael o connor: If you have evidence of corruption and are not just venting you should go straight to the police.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 12:49 PM

    @thomas molloy: we have guards here in Ireland, don’t know where you are posting from.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 1:03 PM

    Let’s lay the blame where it belongs – on the state run health care system. Let the state take over food production, and you get food lines. Let the state take over housing, you get housing wait lists. Same for healthcare. The same can fund (or partially fund) healthcare it cannot provide the service itself. Public servants are too incompetent for that

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    Dec 28th 2023, 1:16 PM

    @Tom D: Those who won’t or don’t pay for their own health cover are piggybacking on those who pay for their health and also pay tax towards services.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 3:06 PM

    @thomas molloy: poor troll, you need to be more subtle.

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    Dec 28th 2023, 4:27 PM

    @thomas molloy: ur not that failed FF advisor with his multiple accounts on here by any chance???

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    Dec 28th 2023, 10:41 PM

    Why would they give a FK?. Anybody who votes ffg Thats what you will get.

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