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NORTH KOREA IS in the “final stages” of developing an intercontinental ballistic missile, leader Kim Jong-Un has said, adding the country had significantly bolstered its nuclear deterrent in 2016.
“We are in the final stages of test-launching the intercontinental ballistic missile,” Kim said in a 30-minute televised New Year’s speech, pointing to a string of nuclear and missile tests last year.
Pyongyang had “soared as a nuclear power”, he said, adding it was now a “military power of the East that cannot be touched by even the strongest enemy”.
The country carried out two nuclear tests and numerous missile launches last year along in pursuit of its oft-stated goal — developing a weapons system capable of hitting the US mainland with a nuclear warhead.
“We have seen marvellous feats for bolstering our military power, including the fact that our preparations for test-launching an intercontinental ballistic missile are in the final stages,” Kim added.
Analysts are divided over how close Pyongyang is to realising its full nuclear ambitions, especially as it has never successfully test-fired an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).
But all agree it has made enormous strides in that direction since Kim took over as leader from his father Kim Jong-Il, who died in December 2011.
A senior US defence official said last month that the North has developed the capability to pair a nuclear warhead with a missile and launch it, but has not mastered bringing the weapon back from space and onto a target.
There are growing concerns of fresh provocations by Pyongyang following last month’s impeachment of South Korean President Park Geun-Hye, which has left the country with a caretaker leader — Prime Minister Hwang Kyo-Ahn.
On relations with South Korea, Kim said the North was willing to “hold hands with anyone who wishes to improve North-South ties”, but he denounced Seoul for pushing inter-Korean relations to their “worst state”:
We must launch all-out efforts to pulverise actions by anti-unification forces like Park Geun-Hye.
Kim called for an end to the South’s annual joint military exercises with the United States — a perennial thorn in North-South ties.
“Unless they stop the war of annual exercises, the DPRK (North Korea) will keep increasing military capabilities for self-defence and preemptive striking capacity with a main emphasis on nuclear force,” Kim said.
Kim, wearing black-rimmed glasses and a dark Western suit and tie, delivered his speech from behind a lectern in a wood-panelled room in the ruling Workers’ Party Central Committee Office Building in Pyongyang.
No audience was shown although the address was regularly interrupted by what appeared to be canned applause.
Trump
Although Kim did not make a specific reference to the incoming Donald Trump administration, he called on Washington to make a “resolute decision to withdraw its anachronistic hostile North Korea policy”.
Washington has repeatedly vowed that it would never accept the North as a nuclear state. Trump has never clearly stated his policy on the isolated state.
“North Korea is indirectly pressuring the Trump administration with its possible ICBM launch,” said Kim Yong-Hyun, professor of North Korea studies at Seoul-based Dongguk University.
“It is stressing that if the US upholds its policy of pressuring the North, it will conduct an ICBM test in the first half of this year,” he said.
Thae Yong-Ho, North Korea’s former deputy ambassador to Britain who defected to the South in August, has said Kim was planning a “prime time” nuclear weapons push in 2017 to take advantage of leadership transitions in Washington and Seoul.
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The problem is the resident know they won’t be there for 6 months. It’s Ireland for god sake, they’ll be there for ever.
This should be best practice In future Residents should be consulted before travellers are moved in either as halting site or single families This would lead to better community relations
@. what do you mean by single families. if it is a single family on the side of the road it is probably illegal so the council would have no way to consult with people. if you mean a traveller family moving into a house etc near by then why would anyone need to be consulted?
Without anything else a halting site in your housing estate will slash the value of your home by tens of thousands, who would volunteer to have their home go further into negative equity
the people protesting against the travelling community are absolutely shameless and disgusting the travelling community don’t commit any crime that the settled community have committed.
People crying to bring in foreigners but slow to look after our own. It shouldn’t matter if they stay six months or six years. They’re good Irish people and need help.
If they’re ‘good people’ then I should be expecting a sainthood any day now
Martin from your comments it’s sounds like you don’t live beside them I do it’s not necessarily crime and that people are worried about it’s just the fact they can’t live like normal human beings their loud be it talking, playing music they just can’t do anything quiet, they think the horn of the car is a doorbell, they never seem to sleep, they don’t keep their house/halting site well there is rubbish and general crap everywhere and the list go on and anyone I know that live beside them when you ask they give you the same reasons. They are the neighbors from hell even the “good” ones that we supposedly have living beside us I know you can have settled people as bad but a traveler moving in beside you is a guarantee
Why don’t the council put them in their own car park! it’s only temporary after all
@wacky what you said is simply not true. i live beside a halting site. it is kept very clean. we never experience undue loud noise and they are definitely not neighbours from hell. when i talked about this in another story yesterday at least four people commented that they had a similar good experience living beside travellers. unfortunately these “good” travellers are not spoken about and are tarnished by the admittly bad action of others. we simply cannot paint all travellers with the same brush.
Martin Ryan, thanks for that, I had a good laugh :)
@gerard you should locate some ground close to your home and endeavor to get your local council to set up a halting site there, your goodwill should speed up the process for this.
@Gerard Some of these “good Irish people” are at the moment guests of the state for recently robbing, assaulting and terrorising a family in Tipperary.
Have you seen where the proposed site actually is? It’s literally a few feet away over the side wall of the last house in the cul de sac. I don’t blame the residents for objecting at all.
I fully support the residents , try imagine 4 mobile homes and about 30 extra people with cars and vans moving into a small cul de sac with a narrow road . it’s not suitable .
hidden , you’ve got to remember though that these residents already know what these travellers are like because they’ve lived beside them already . that’s the difference .
The Hidden Revolt are they there 10+ years? how near are you? we are directly across the road and a neighbor beside them has a line of trees to block the noise and sight of the mess so they would have no complaints that way but it still happens I not saying your lying or anything but sometimes good experiences with them is pure luck and certain circumstances work in peoples favor such as what I mentioned
“It’s Ireland for god sake” – funny!
good man martin ! get down off your high horse or should i say piebald ??
Then you invite the entire family to live with you. No? Didn’t think so.
@wacky they are directly across the road from me. we have lived here for two years but they have been there about 10. they are literally right next to another house whose occupents have also told me they have never had a problem with them. their kids are friends with mine and they often play in our house or on their site and we have never had any problems. like i said before i do not deny there are bad elements or that people have had genuine problems like yourself but how many people have had problems with settled neighbours? i am just pointing out that there is another side to the story one confirmed by other commenters on here yesterday who also have a good experience of living beside travellers.
I actually think these may be council houses Chris. I could be wrong though.
The Hidden Revolt well you sound like some of the very lucky ones because another halting site further away from me I have seen kids no more than 8 throw stones at cars passing including my own maybe you and also anyone else reading this that are happy with them living beside them or even the people who support them but currently don’t have any living beside them should get on to the council and offer them to move into the current site or if there was an empty one near you as I’m sure the travelers in the site or any other halting site would have to objections to helping out their own
@gerard say that again when your kids bike gets robbed or your houde get broken into or your gates car trailer gets damaged or stollen or when the rats come into your garden from all the rubish or your house grts smoked out from ileagal fires or when there is a family fued.
Yes residents should be consulted. We were informed a few years back that travellers MIGHT be moving in to a vacant house on our lovely estate. We had a meeting with the council on the Friday. We voiced our concerns about anti social behaviour etc. The council said they would let us know their decision on Wednesday and take our concerns on board. When we got home from the meeting the travellers had moved in that day. So much for caring what the residents thought or community relations!!! The councillors that represented us at the meeting didn’t believe us when we told them they had moved in. I really don’t blame the residents in this case. The councils don’t care if they all kill one another. And I am not too impressed with the politicians either telling the residents to be “ashamed of themselves”….
Martins willing to have them beside him.fair play to ya….sound man
exactly..for a travelling community they don’t exactly travel much
Lol
Hidden Revolt..Please name this well run halting site that you live ‘near’. Your identity still wouldn’t be revealed but most of us would like to know where this site is.Perhaps we could use it as a model for other sites…
If Big Joe Joyce calls round after dipping his hands in diesel, you can expect a few of those residents to be shite-ing in a bucket!
If Big Joe calls around after dipping his hands in DIESEL??? …. Actually in light of the tragedy I’ll refrain from making the obvious joke….
@jamsey i will not give my exact location online but i am near the carlow kildare border. as i said previously i am not the only to say they live beside a halting site and have no problems. see the replies to this comment http://c.jrnl.ie/4338580. is it really that hard to believe that there are some decent travellers out there.
@Hidden Revolt.. Wouldn’t be this one would it?! http://kildare.ie/knn/travsproblem.htm
The fact is that travellers are trouble and they bring trouble. Maybe not them all but there is always a few within a site and the rest protect them. It’s not racism if you don’t want to live beside people that will rob and destroy your property. It’s not racist that people are terrified of traveller gangs who will harm and murder them and their families just for cash. How is it other people’s fault that travellers don’t want to live in houses, don’t want to work and don’t want to respect the rules of society. The problems they have are mostly of their own making but they blame everyone else. Those people aghast at that community for refusing the travellers should invite them to live in their houses. Then they can see up close what fine citizens they are. Not.
Rather than building another one, why not pay a good building company to completely clean up the site where the tradgady occurred and rebuild proper accommodation! !!
@jamsey no it wouldn’t and i have never said that there is not bad elements within the traveller community. maybe even a majority. all i am saying is that there are decent travellers out there and maybe if we gave them a real chance to prove themselves and stopped discriminating against them all we would get more decent travellers. law breaking should be dealt with toughly by the gardai and the courts but that is a seperate issue.
@Hidden your are naive in the extreme and your naivety will be your downfall.
The VAST majority are involved in criminal activity, there is absolutely no doubt about it.
This was posted by the Sunday world a short while ago, whilst I agree its hardly the most reputable news source, you can do your own homework on the names involved here and of the 6 gangs named here that are “leaders” in Burglary, ALL SIX are traveller gangs or have heavy links to travellers.
This is the true definition of stereotyping. Where are their human rights?
Sarah – Jane , how is it ? the residents having been living beside them for years and already know what they are like .
@Sarah Jane True definition of stereotyping… or just simply the truth? They do say the truth hurts. The facts are this, in 2011 unemployment stood at 84% in the traveller community. In 2012 Tallaght was the crime capital of the country, why do I mention Tallaght? well don’t they have a number of halting sites in the area? They obviously aren’t the only ones committing criminal offences, but it would be stupid and or naive of us to think they were completely innocent of this.
Not in my backyard. In your backyard. Not mine.
Fair play to you Hidden Revolt. Its not easy to stand up against such a wave of predjudice. You are absolutely right.
How on earth is he right?
Every single statistical report proves they are for the majority unemployed, heavily involved in violent criminal activity and their abuse of animals is absolutely horrific.
Until Ireland decides to wake the hell up and deal with this “community” then we shall never see a real change in them.
@kirk firstly your point about Tallaght’s crime rate being linked to travellers in the area is ridiculous and has no evidential basis and is purely hear say.
You talk about “every statistical report”. Other than the unemployment rate which i fully accept what statistical reports are you referencing. Please post some links and i would be glad to discuss them.
Here are the main points i am trying to get across please tell me which you disagree with any why.
1. Travellers have a big issue with unemployment.This can be partially explained by discrimination they experience when trying to enter the workforce but is also a cultural issue which is totally unacceptable. I personally think that anyone who is unemployed for more than a year should have to do community or charity work in order to continue to claim the dole or other social benifits.
2. Travellers have an issue with crime and anti social behavior. this can be partially linked to the high unemployment rate which i dealt with above. While the gang activity and crime rate appears to be proportionately high among travellers it is certainly not limited to it and as a country the vast majority of crimes and gang activity is commited by settled people. Anyone commiting a serious crime and especially repeat offenders should be dealt with harshly by the gardai and the judicial system with severe prison sentences. While in prison every effort should be made to educate and rehabilitate inmates to lower recidivism rates.
3. The traveller community numbers about 30000 people in Ireland. Among this number there ARE many decent people. It is not ok to discriminate against them because of the actions of others within their community. How would you feel if you were among either the 16% who were working or more who were trying to find work and yet you were discriminated against constantly through no fault of your own. How would you feel if your children were bullied and picked on through no fault of their own. When a person and especially a child is made to feel all their life like they have no chance of a fair crack of the whip in life they will often resign themselves to that fact which simply perpetuates the cycle of criminality within the community.
4. Put very simply my argument is this. By all means discriminate against someone based on their personal actions but never discriminate against someone based on the actions of others. Ask yourself how would you feel if you or your children were discriminated against because of what other people in your community did. If you would be happy with this then carry on with your bigotry.if not, then be a decent person and give your fellow human being a chance.
@Hidden,
1 – My report on Tallaght is not based on hearsay as you incorrectly suggest.
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/08/20/tallaght-burglary-capital-of-ireland/
Looking at the statistics compiled in the link above Hidden, next in the list is Blanchardstown, well don’t you just know it. Blanchardstown also has a large halting site. Coincidence?
Now its fair to say of course that not all of the crime in Tallaght and its surrounding area is down to the traveller halting sites, but I do believe it would be naive to suggest none of it is from this traveller community. Further evidence is in the Burglary gangs going around, 6 gangs named and all 6 are either led by a traveller or have heavy involvement from travellers
Halting sites are NEVER to the benefit of its community, I am not basing my evidence on hearsay, I’ve provided you with some facts, Now can you provide me with some FACTS that show travellers bring ANY of the following:
Increased tourism to the area they live in?
Improve the local economy in the area they reside?
Can you show to me an area that has a large halting site that has low crime?
One very simple request can you even show me / direct me to a halting site that has been clean, well kept and welcoming to settled citizens?
2 – I’m glad you at least acknowledge the fact the majority of them are involved in violent, criminal activity. Like you, I don’t believe they ALL do but I’d suggest the majority, actually the vast majority do and as you correctly state it is because of unemployment. Ok, if its due to unemployment, lets look deeper at that. Why are they unemployed? Easy for someone to just say they are discriminated against but I’m sorry it isn’t that black and white. Many of the traveller community are given chances to partake in education and they refuse, in turn meaning its very impossible to gain employment. They don’t want to integrate into society, plain and simple. They want to TAKE from society, yet not readily give to it. They can’t have it both ways. The racism / discrimination card is used every single time something doesn’t go their way!
3 – Tricky one but again this is up to them to change how they are perceived Hidden, isn’t it? If they wish to live in caravans or prefabs, by all means go ahead. Slowly but surely they need to integrate and partake in the education system and slowly it leads to employment and in turn attitudes will change towards them I would imagine. Sadly their “culture” which they refuse to adapt at all in anyway is their own undoing. Their culture is one that is steeped in violence, bare knuckle boxing, illegal dog fights, illegal sulky racing and the absolutely barbaric horse & dog trade they dominate. Do yourself a favour, go to A.H.A.R animal welfare page and look at the content from Ballinasloe market. Pure evil the lot of the b*stards!
4 – Again at the risk of repeating myself, sadly the majority of those in their culture are not to benefit of the residents. I do believe in that particular site it needed a clean bill of €200k last year alone, at least that is what I’ve read in recent days.
Sad reality is even those who aren’t violent or criminal they just sponge of the state and happily spout out armies of unruly kids and have no problem taking state benefits.
Facts are complied from annual reports on the traveller community and they suggest the so called stereotypical traveller to in fact be one that is anti social, violent, involved in criminal activity, abusive towards animals, non tax paying and halting sites are left in a horrific state through illegal waste, deification and it is quite clearly to the detriment of local residents who suffer from their actions.
Is something really bigotry when those who oppose living beside travellers are reciting facts?
Now, why on earth wouldn’t you want a halting site at the very end of your drive way?
@ kirk
1.”My report on Tallaght is not based on hearsay as you incorrectly suggest.”
i did not say the statistics were hear say i said that any corrilation between them and a high traveller population was hear say.Is it not?
Could all the questions you ask about travellers contribution to society not also be true of areas that have large council estates with high unemployment. Surely the problem is the poverty and not the fact that they are travellers
2/3 On what basis can you say VAST majority as you yourself state it is only a “suggestion” or again hear say. It has been shown throughout history that people who are discriminated against obviously do not tend to proceed with education due to bullying and a feeling that even if they complete their education the opportunities will not be given to them in employment. It is of course partly up to them but not solely.It is also up to the rest of society to change its attitude to those travellers who are genuinely making an effort and stop painting them all with one brush.
4. please link to these annual traveller reports as it is impossible to discuss something i have not seen and cant seem to find online.
“Now, why on earth wouldn’t you want a halting site at the very end of your drive way?”
As i have stated at the start of this thread I DO have a halting site at the end of my driveway and I am quite happy to.The Travellers in the site are nice people and their “unruly kids” are actually very well behave and are friends with my kids who often play with them on the site or they visit my house.
Again and i cannot emphasis enough that i fully accept there are many problems within the traveller community. ONE of the steps to fix this is the support of the many decent travellers out there and the stopping of discrimination by association perpetrated by the settled community.
Cause they are travellers not normal people
What do you new it’s simply not true? Are you an idiot? He said that this how they behave and he lives next to them. Are you saying he is lying?? It IS true. I think you mean it’s not always the case
Often wonder how the Council would treat me if I put a few old washing machines…an engine from a 1999 Ford Fiesta…a horse ..50 black bags of rubbish…in my front garden and told them it is my “culture”.
They’d clean it up for you and apologise for causing you any kind of inconvenience. Provided you’re a traveller of course, if not they will impose hefty fines and then take you to court for non payment of said fines
My guess is they would probably give you anything you ask for.
Johnnie Connors can make a convincing argument.
The council using emotional blackmail but it didn’t work. fair play to the residents for standing firm.
The travellers should be made to pay for their own land. They are not short of a few quid.
Watching programme last night, think on TV3 about sulky racing and horses and they’re betting thousands on it. They’re well able to help their commUNITY – just chose to let the tax payer do it instead.
Plus they shut down whole dual carriageway to run these races (yes they do them early in the morning) but if I tried similar………..
I don’t understand…
Planning permission to do anything to the exterior of your home or open a new business is a very litigious process of objections, appeals and attached conditions that can take months. But the government can relocate a herd of travelers with ‘an action group’ supporting and lobbying on their behalf into the field next to your house in 72 hours with no notice or consultation?
Wasn’t a little 90 year old lady fined €1500 only 2 weeks ago for not having permission for a satellite dish on front of her house. She would have been better if she planked a caravan in front garden and put the dish on that instead.
She was fined after she ignored several letters and requests from the council to remove / relocate the dish.
A blind man can see the site is unsuitable. Its in a cul de sac and before long it will be vans, cars, etc and more caravans into the cul de sac. Then in six months it wont close. The real problem here is Minister Kelly and the council. Kelly should never have promised anything and also the residents were not consulted. If the residents wanted to park on the site would they be let by the council, I don’t think so. Everyone feels for the families struck by the tragedy But its government walking all over people again and again. Plus the problem is not on Alan Kellys door step or the council bosses. And its also a peaceful protest by the residents unlike some other recent protests.
You can stick your water meters up your ass!!
Why are the residents being vilified here. It’s the council and the govt at fault for breaking promise after promise. No one believes they will be there for 6 months. And if it happens that the residents are lied too will the travellers take it on themselves to leave and in turn protest for being lied to. The residents and travellers have reason not believe this will be temporary. Maybe if the United to demand a first time full time solution. Nothing more permanent than a temporary fix.
Also if there is genuine anti social behaviour the council should evict them Then they should be requested to provide their own accommodation I am sure the south side travellers action group would not object to this
But thats the point. This family have already been evicted for anti social behaviour, but at the end of the day they have to live somewhere. However I fully support the residents here for not wanting them beside them.
I find it disgusting that other travellers haven’t opened their doors to these poor unfortunates and instead espect them to live in a field, where is the humanity and support from their families and friends? all standing there wanting them to be homed in a field in the same conditions they left! if I suffered what these people suffered,, my family and friends would rally and have me staying with them until a solution was found and not expect complete strangers to take on the responsibility.
Yes this. Why not? In fact the people who are supporting the rehousing of these people and holding up signs such as ‘where is the unity in this community’ should probably practice what they preach and offer to put some of them up in their own homes for a while. That would show true unity. Somehow I don’t think they’d be open to that. I also don’t imagine they live near the proposed halting site/field.
Were their families not burned alive about a week ago?
I paid nearly 2000 to keep my caravan in a park for less then 6 months this year.how much to travellers pay in halting sites
I haven’t heard any of the support groups suggesting there spare rooms there area or even there gardens for a caravan
Fair play to the residents. it’s disgusting the way they’re being vilified by the politically correct media and politicians.
If my house went on fire would the council move me into another house if I was luck enough to survive with my life? I would assume they aren’t getting treated differently because they are travellers and that every citizen of the state would be rehoused/moved with the same urgency.
If the residents allow this ‘temporary site’ to go ahead, it will become permanent and the council and the politicians will turn their backs and smirk at their gullibility. Stand fast, We are almost all behind you.
If the travellers had insurance they wouldn’t be in this situation. People in houses pay dearly for insurance every year, should travellers not do the same?
Not part of their culture – sorry.
I asked this in yesterdays articles comments but as it has disappeared down the page I’ll ask it again here.
Can some one provide one example of any positive that traveller culture contributes to Irish Society?
I am genuinely interested in answer to this because I do not know a lot about traveller culture bar the negatives that I and a lot of the other commentators here have experienced and I am curious as to why we have to make exceptions for them the whole time yet there seems to be no positive benefit to Irish Society as a whole?
There are a number of commentator’s here on The Journal who passionately are vilifying the residents of Rockville Drive and championing rail-roading planning laws in favour of exceptional temporary housing for this group of travellers by-passing the normal emergency housing that the unexceptional citizens of Ireland would be subject to? Maybe they can highlight to me the positives that Traveller culture project onto Irish Society as a well?
Please answer with specifics and not emotive generalisations.
Travelers have won a good few medals for boxing at the Olympics. Besides, what have you done for Irish society.
Granted but is being good at boxing or fighting representative of Traveler culture then David?
I pay my taxes and follow the laws of the land that what I have done for Irish Society but again this is not about me it’s about Traveler culture.
So we have one positive item from David. Fighting.
David, I’m assuming Paul works hard and pays his taxes. That’s his contribution to Irish society.
They provide lots of work for the Garda, the legal system, for Social Welfare, the Education system, for Security Companies, for the HSE, Co Councils (housing) and finally the opportunity for lots of tax payers money to be spent on funding the above.
So two hours and eight red thumbs later only David G has suggested a positive for Traveller Culture.
That’s fairly damning. And some people are surprised that the residents of Rockville Drive are not welcoming a halting site in their community with open arms.
Well said Paul. Nail. On. The. Head.
the bottom line is that no right thinking tax payer wants this low life, living within a pie bald ponys roar, of their life. You understand me there Boss !
How much is the LPT for the site?
100% behind the residents here. show me the planning permission for the halting site, oh ya, there is none. as mentioned by another poster, a woman was fined €1500 in cork for putting up a satellite dish without planning, however its ok to just build a halting site without planning? If they didn’t get the cars there in time to block them, id have my solicitor on site very fast.
There’s a housing waiting list as long as my arm. Why aren’t they put on the end of that like the ‘settled folk’
RTE last night did a programme on rural crime Even showed pictures of the gang who attached family in Tipperary without mentioning they were travellers
Travellers need to take some ownership of their bad members and disown them.
RTE needs to stop protecting them.
Sean O rourke this morning had pavee point and various others including Aodhan o riordan and Paul Murphy and they couldn’t wait to have their say in condemning the residents, and of course they all had the high moral ground meanwhile people in every part of the country are in fear of these travelling gangs, no mention of that though
the residents are in a no win situation. there is rightly huge compassion for the bereaved families but their stance is being spun as anti traveller and therfore they lack compassion for their loss. the two are seperate issues. no consultation by the council re the site etc. I would think if it was six months and there was a different enteance apart from that little road most of them could live with it.
Why not kit out the old halting site
Eh ten people lost their lives in the old halting site
There’s an halting site on the shanganagh Road in Ballybrack/Shankill just off the commons road. its got a few houses and has being empty for a few years, hoarding went up this week. I presume that this is the permanent one they will be moving thee to once its ready.
it could be very emotionally scaring to move them back to the same site where they watched family members burnt alive. the young pregnant mother was described as a running fireball in some media reports. So that is a very good reason not to move them back to the old site.
there are plenty of people who can’t afford that luxury The Wine Baron & brian magee what about people who found loved ones who committed suicide, in their house or somewhere on the site and can afford to up and move what happened was a tragedy but the taxpayer shouldn’t be expected to pick up the tab for this unless everyone can be offered the same assistance by the council in tragic circumstances being as we are in an age of talking about equality some much
This site you mention was indeed opened in by DLR coco at a cost of about 1.5m euro….in October 2015 following the carrickmines Fire……presumably to accommodate some of these unfortunate families….. It’s 100m away from our home on the commons road shank ill….where we’ve lived in for 7 years….in all that time…7 years ….we have never been robbed or broken into…since October and the reopening of that site ……we have been broken into 3 times…..3 times in 6 months. The latest two happening twice in 2 days………these are facts…..there are clearly some bad eggs there …and if they really are a community …they should stop criminalising themselves by hiding those they know are doing wrong,..
Ah jayus boss
The fact that many Irish people offered to take Syrian refugees into their homes, but remain silent when it comes to this situation, says a lot about the reputation that travellers have earned for themselves.
Easy solution. The concerned group of people protesting against the residents can make full use of their empathy and simply take the traveller families into their own back gardens and houses.
Why don’t the traveller reps speak out and say I would ask travellers to stop burglaries in estates to stop polluting areas with black smoke with copper wire that they thieve starting fights when they converge on a town or a village so hotels and pubs don’t have to close down and maybe the settled community might accept them more , say that about the travellers instead of blaming the settled community for the problems
I know it’s tragic what happened Truly is. But I think Fairplay to residents. Travellers have come and gone in various different locations in my area. The minute. they come in burglaries theft cars stolen, bicycles stolen, street robberies. You can openly see these happening on the street. So sorry Ya may travel somewhere else.
Residents are 100% in the right
Latest news on this.
The council has met with the residents of Rockville Drive over the past two days and the latest talks follow proposals that were discussed by the two parties.
It is understood a number of issues, including a legally binding agreement on how long the site will be in use and guarantees on the management of traffic and anti-social behavior, formed part of those discussions.
This really should be best practice for all councils going forward when building halting sites or housing individual
traveller families or building houses for travellers.
Travellers who break the agreement would need to provide their own housing.
If the local authorities did this in future I am sure no one would object to travellers living beside them and would help travellers most of all in the long term
What about Dalkey Island?
Loadsa space and a great view of Pat’s house!
I think you are been mean saying this after all they have lost some of their family and need somewhere to live.think about those that died . C10 R.I.P
What about your back garden?
You take some of them into your home then? Seriously. Think of the 10. No you can’t? Well shut it then..
Maria,
can’t they live where they were & the council clear away the debris from the burned mobiles. Those mobiles were new and in mint condition when the travellers moved in.
Dangerous tampering with electric wires.
Apparently they are now in Direct Provision in Dun Laoghaire. Hope they don’t thrash it.
Their own families and friends are no good to them, won’t help them and give them a roof over their heads. Feed and cloth them.
The people holding the signs saying “Where is the unity in this Community” should be holding them up infront of Travellers aswell.
why don’t they be put in a hostel / hotel as an emergency measure like many other families ???
debco , they are in a hotel already .
those people are idiots the treatment given to our national flag sitting on it keeping their brains warm
It is the reputation of travelers that is doing this, it paints all of them in the same light…
There are plenty of halting site already built around Dublin. why can’t these travellers be rehomed in one of them, rather than a play area for a community that pays good money for their homes?
This is all very “unsettling”.
What has an Irish flag got to do with this? How stupid are the people use the flag.
I’ve never heard of a permanent halting site which is of course what this is.
Why don’t they just bulldoze the site in Carrickmines and then let the parvees stick a few more trailers in there?
I think the council should hire a recruitment company,the most expensive in the northern hemisphere,and headhunt Mr Hubert Kearns (its not like anyone died) from Irish Water to tackle this in his unique way….he will tie up these insolent residents for years of litigation……
Here is a view of the proposed location: https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2440328,-6.1817773,168m/data=!3m1!1e3
Council to blame here …..OBVIOUS THIS IS NOT A SUITABLE LOCATION ……COULD HAVE FOR JUST ONCE HAD A SMALL BIT OF FORESIGHT AND USED A BIT OF INTELLIGENCE ,ONLY DISGRACE HERE ARE THE COUNCIL AND THE FACT THAT OUR MONEY IS USED TO PAY THEM TO MAKE BRAINLESS DECISIONS LIKE THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND CREATE SUCH A HORRIBLE SITUATION FOR ALL INVOLVED …..WHO MADE THIS DECISIONS
The council are the only people at fault in this situation…..they could have used a small bit of intelligence for once or had a bit of foresight …..only disgrace here is we are paying people in the council to make decisions like this and create so much distress for all..
Lol
People make me sick these are survivors of last Saturdays tragedy and these people are going mad so much for the hospitable irish haha the travelling community are lovely people leave them be.
So lovely that you have no offered to house some of them for 6-8months? Fair play to you…. Oh wait you didnt
Really? so how are they funding their lavish weddings, their big caravans, their jeeps, beemers and mercs? It’s certainly not by legitimate means.
NIMBY (an acronym for the phrase “Not In My Back Yard”), or Nimby, is a pejorative characterization of opposition by residents to a proposal for a new development because it is close to them, often with the connotation that such residents believe that the developments are needed in society but should be further away.
Red thumb away.
I am shocked at readers attitude to Irish people yet happy to bring in foreigners at the drop of a hat
What about NNIMBY
No N**k**s In My Back Yard…
I think the red thumb’ers are just colour blind/stupid or more likely happy in their prejudice
This may come as a shock to you, but most Irish people would prefer to have foreigners as neighbors rather than knackers.
These people are facing unimaginable grief and have lost everything. They deserve somewhere safe, secure and comfortable where they can grieve. It doesn’t matter what their ethnicity is. Some of the comments and attitudes here are shocking in their bigotry and lack of compassion. Yes the behaviour of some travellers is antisocial, yes there is some criminal element, but antisocial and criminal behaviour is widespread in the settled community too. There’s good and bad everywhere, but just because some travellers are bad it doesn’t mean they all are. These people need to be given a chance and IF there are issues then by all means protest, but surely innocent people who’ve had enormous loss are entitled to grieve in peace as close to home as possible.
Clamp the cars that are blocking the site access and fine them every day they are there.
In Germany they applaud the arrival of immigrants, in South Dublin they blockade a family who’s homes have burned down and family members killed from having a temporary solution to homelessness. Shame on them.
Just give Dlrcc your address and tell them you are quite happy to have an unlawful group of people in your back garden. Oh ye, also mention that you don’t mind the mess they make and your house being devalued by 60%
Highly tragic- nimbyism at its best … The real story is the article above about he who must not be mentioned lest we be sued. Nevermind possible illegal methods of information gathering. He and his he/she ilk are the mainstay of this once proud, corrupt cancerous gem.
After the carrickmines Fire…..This shankill site you mention was indeed opened in by DLR coco at a cost of about 1.5m euro….in October 2015 following the carrickmines Fire……presumably to accommodate some of these unfortunate families….. It’s 100m away from our home on the commons road shank ill….where we’ve lived in for 7 years….in all that time…7 years ….we have never been robbed or broken into…since October and the reopening of that site ……we have been broken into 3 times…..3 times in 6 months. The latest two happening twice in 2 days………these are facts…..there are clearly some bad eggs there …and if they really are a community …they should stop criminalising themselves by hiding those they know are doing wrong,..
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