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IRELAND IS LOSING an abundance of its hedgerow heritage every year – with at least 3,000km cut back by local authorities since 2018 during the prohibited season between March and August.
Estimates show that somewhere between five and seven per cent of the land area of the country is covered by hedgerows (sources include Teagasc’s use of aerial photography and EPA analysis using remote sensors).
Noteworthy has discovered that many hedgerow and biodiversity specialists and environmental NGOs have raised concern about the level of hedge cutting across Ireland by private landowners or authorities, and the techniques used to do so.
Our investigation uncovers stark data about the scale of roadside cutting between 1 March and 31 August – the period where roadside cutting is prohibited except for road safety issues due to the potential impact on wildlife dependent on our hedgerow network for food, shelter and safe passage.
We can reveal that:
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Hedgerows teeming with life
The hedgerows that buffer our rural road network and act as natural barriers between farm fields are not just a cultural mainstay of the idyllic Irish countryside, but also play a key role in maintaining a rich biodiversity tapestry.
Data relating to the range, structure and botanical make-up of hedgerows has been collected over the years through county hedgerow surveys carried out in over 21 counties or sub-county regions.
A Noteworthy analysis of the surveys show that roadside hedges offer various ecosystem services, most importantly as nesting sites and food sources for a variety of bird species.
They also help to improve soil quality, halt soil erosion and water runoff, provide food for pollinators, create safe passage for various species and also act as carbon sinks.
Even urban hedges play a unique role. A 2006 survey of hedgerows in Dublin’s inner city, for example, found 144 species of plants, including hawthorn, ash, blackthorn, elder, and holly.
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It is our rural roadside hedgerows, however, that hold most importance, with the county surveys analysed indicating that they are some of the oldest and most species-rich hedges in the county.
Our hedgerow coverage is the most abundant in Europe and “sticks out a mile”, according to Joe Gowran, the Chief Executive of Woodlands of Ireland, who has researched the origins of our heritage hedgerows.
This, he said, is largely down to their widespread use as field boundaries in the 17th and 18th century, as well as roadside hedgerows’ more ancient heritage role, defining parish boundaries dating back to the seventh or eight century, and potentially as far back as the bronze age.
Today, however, Gowran fears that there are too many hedge cutting devices loose on the countryside during the summer months, alongside a general increase in “disregard for the value of hedge habitats” that are now often cut back on an annual basis.
The care provided by local authorities to our hedgerows and the species that rely on them has come under criticism from hedgerow management experts and conservation groups whose expert staff are keen to stress the importance of their protection.
This concern from experts such as Gowran has filtered down to a growing number of citizens across the country who have also started to raise their concern with the management of hedgerows during the summer months.
Some citizens have taken it upon themselves to stop works from taking place. Last May, for example, neighbours in a small townland outside of Tuam, Co Galway took to their road to stop contractors from cutting hedgerows for Galway County Council. The locals said that they were frustrated as they believed the works were not required for road safety reasons.
In the interest of road safety
In general, roadside hedge cutting should not occur during the bird nesting season and it is an offence under the Wildlife Act to cut hedge vegetation between the start of March and the end of August each year.
There are exemptions during this period in the interest of road safety, however, and local authorities have power under the Roads Act to issue notices to the owner or occupier of land to cut a hedge to ensure that it is no longer a road safety concern at any time during the year.
Authorities will try to get landowners to cut their hedges outside of the prohibited season, placing advertisements in local media and making verbal requests where hedges have not been cut and a potential road safety issue is identified.
Where landowners do not comply, many authorities then issue letters requesting action within a given timeframe. If compliance is still not achieved, an official notice can be issued instructing landowners to take action or risk prosecution.
Some councils report great success. Louth County Council said that “most landowners will respond positively to a verbal request to deal with hedgerow overgrowth where it affects road safety or sightlines”. Wexford County Council issued 196 verbal requests between 2016 and 2020 that it said had a “60% plus success rate”.
Many, however, struggle to get landowners to take action even after issuing notices under the Roads Act and will act themselves to undertake works, on local or regional roads in particular.
Works undertaken by councils
Noteworthy sent AIE requests to all local authorities to examine the decision making process undertaken by councils to undertake hedge cutting during the bird nesting season, as well as to gain an understanding of resources available and techniques used.
Data released under AIE from all local authorities reveal that hedges or verges on almost 3,000km of road have been cut by, or on behalf of, local authorities between March and August from 2018 to 2020, most of which is undertaken due to road safety concerns.
At least €1.4 million was spent on works during this period, according to the data received by Noteworthy. This figures does not include costs where councils were unable to extract costs for hedge cutting from grass trimming or other activities.
The true figure on both counts is likely to be a multiple of this, however, as various councils were unable to provide exact figures as they do not record this data methodically, while others only recorded partial data during that time period.
While some counties or municipal districts, such as Strokestown in Co Roscommon, were able to provide detailed replies with coordinates of the cutting locations, many counties did not have records of the exact location of cutting.
Kildare County Council, for example, stated that its roads department “does not maintain records in the format requested”.
Both Donegal and Cork County Council – the county with the largest hedgerow network – did not provide data on the length of hedges cut in 2020, deeming the request as “manifestly unreasonable” in regard to the volume or range of information sought.
Cork County Council stated that the information requested was “not readily available in each office and for staff in each office to gather the data would place a significant burden on them”.
Limerick County Council said that a detailed log of the locations, dates and length of hedges cut is not maintained but that it generally does not conduct hedge cutting outside of the prohibited period.
Lack of a uniform approach
Overall, the replies indicate there is no uniform approach in record keeping or how authorities deal with roadside vegetation and road safety issues. In some cases, municipal districts within a local authority will operate differently in their approach to hedge cutting.
Similar findings were also recorded in a report released last September by Tipperary County Council with findings from a review of existing hedge cutting practice and management across local authorities that took place in 2016.
As part of the review, a detailed questionnaire was sent to all local authorities to better understand specific policies in place and enforcement levels between 2013 and 2015, as well as gathering details about when and where inspection and monitoring of hedges was taking place.
According to the report, almost two-thirds said that they had some form of inspection regime in place, but only six counties reported operating a landowner register.
In addition, only six councils reported having formal hedge cutting policies in place – counties Clare, Donegal, Kerry, Longford, Mayo and Monaghan – with Kerry retaining a database of over 5,800 landowners whose lands abuts public roads.
Lack of resources
An issue raised by several councils is a lack of resources available. The hedge cutting review report also identifies “restrictions on resources” as one of the main challenges faced by councils.
This, the report states, makes it “difficult for local authorities to comprehensively manage inspection/monitoring programmes, to investigate complaints and to administer and manage the enforcement process”.
The report stresses the need to develop “policies to assist with promoting a uniform approach” across all local authorities.
This includes, the report states, a need for a systematic procedure of inspections and investigations with a suitable system that records actions and their outcomes.
“It is anticipated that the adoption and enforcement of uniform policies and procedures by each local authority would serve to raise compliance levels,” according to the report.
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Road safety is paramount
A Noteworthy analysis of complaints received by councils shows that the vast majority of over 1,150 documented complaints over the last three summers were from people asking for overgrown hedges to be cut.
Complaints ranged from lack of visibility at access points and junctions and hedges blocking footpaths to damage to vehicles and obstruction of road signs.
In some cases, when they deem that there is a significant public safety issue that requires urgent attention, local authorities will act, as seen in the replies to Noteworthy.
Wexford County Council said, for example, that it tends not to send notices to landowners and instead usually takes “immediate action ourselves to reduce or remove the hazard”.
In one case in Co Longford in 2018, the council received a request from a woman with a disability about overgrown hedges closing on the lane where she lived.
She was not in a position to pay for her hedges to be cut. Couriers had refused to come up the laneway, she said, and on one occasion, the ambulance service found it difficult to get to her home.
Lack of assessments from authorities
While roadside hedge cutting for road safety is “absolutely essential”, Oonagh Duggan of BirdWatch Ireland, together with many biodiversity experts who spoke to Noteworthy, is not convinced there is always a road safety need when hedges are cut in the closed period.
Duggan, who is the assistant head of policy at the conservation group, said that BirdWatch’s “hunch is that this is being abused” and that “there’s no real assessment of what the road safety risk is” or the potential impact on bird species before cutting takes place.
The AIE requests sent to all local authorities by Noteworthy requested details of any pre- or post-cutting assessments carried out by councils. In nearly all cases, councils were unable to provide details of assessments of the specific road safety concerns identified.
In several cases, councils note that visual assessments were carried out but there are no records of reports being written. Carlow County Council, for example, said that both pre- and post-cutting visual inspections were carried out but did not have assessment reports.
In Waterford, the council said that a visual assessment is undertaken in all cases to determine the need for hedge cutting to be carried out as well as a visual assessment following completion. In Louth, staff visit each individual and check sight lines for overgrowth.
Without local authorities being required to document a detailed road safety assessment for cutting every hedge, there is no way of gathering a clear overall picture and the Noteworthy analysis of replies received also shows a very disjointed approach between local authorities.
Road safety concerns ‘overstated’
Seasoned hedgelayer and hedgerow management expert Neil Foulkes also pointed to a road survey in Tipperary and Donegal in 2016 as part of the review discussed above that “didn’t find enough hedgerows that were a problem to warrant a [full] project”.
This, Foulkes said, “suggests that safety problems caused by roadside hedges are nowhere near as substantial as some voices might indicate”.
In Tipperary, 382.5km of roads were surveyed and only 2.1km were tagged as presenting road safety concerns. In Donegal, 1km of 366km of roads surveyed was tagged, indicating that hedges present a hazard on less than 1% of the total surveyed road length.
“The study group presented by such a low percentage would be too small to allow an accurate and meaningful assessment of targeted local interventions to be undertaken,” the report said.
The project team met with the Road Safety Authority (RSA) in February 2017 to explore the option of a national awareness campaign on road safety issues. The review report said that costs were estimated at €270,000.
The report states, however, that “a strong business case for such a campaign is not supported by the metrics arising” from the road survey findings. The RSA did not have any comment on this matter.
Speaking to Noteworthy, the Chief Executive of the Association of Farm Contractors in Ireland (FCI), Michael Moroney, said that it is important to note that the road survey was carried out in March “when there is very little growth in hedgerows”.
“The nature of growth in Ireland is different to continental Europe. We have very high growth rates in late spring and early summer. It does impact on visibility and safety on roads,” he said.
Moroney said that this is clearly an issue from the number of complaints received by local authorities every year about potential safety issues linked to overgrown hedgerows.
The review report also states that “the closed period coincides with the seasons of maximum annual growth”.
Hedges being ‘beaten up’
Notwithstanding the period when hedges are cut or why works are undertaken, Foulkes, as well as other hedgerow and biodiversity experts who spoke to us, is concerned with the techniques and equipment used in hedge cutting works for local authorities.
The Hedgerow Appraisal System, written in 2013 outlining best practise for hedgerow surveying, states that hedgerow management in Ireland has generally been poor due to a lack of skills-based knowledge and resources.
For convenience and cost-effectiveness, the report states, “management often entails flailing which, if done without skill and due care, has a tendency to weaken the shrubs in the hedgerow”.
According to Foulkes, one of the authors of the appraisal system, some of the machinery used by contractors can cause extensive damage, especially when poor technique is applied.
When you hit a heavy branch, Foulkes said, you can get a “shattered cut” that makes it “very hard for the trees to seal off the prospect of bacterial and fungal infection”.
Poorly cut hedges, according to BirdWatch’s Oonagh Duggan, has a detrimental effect on the species that use them, nesting birds in particular. “Depending on the scale of the damage done, it could lead to exposure of nests and disturbance to breeding birds.”
Duggan used the example of a photo the conservation charity recently received from a member of the public that showed a nest left exposed after the hedgerow was cut back. “Now those chicks are more susceptible to predation,” she said.
According to Duggan, the State is falling down significantly on its requirement to ensure that there is not a deterioration of bird habitats as required under EU law, pointing to the finding against Ireland in what became known as the Birds Case in 2007.
Moroney of the Association of Farm Contractors in Ireland said that, from his experience, most of the work carried out during the closed season is verge cutting.
He said that he accepted that there can be cases of poorly cut hedges where inexperienced contractors “can shatter the growing point of the hedge”.
In general, however, he said that most contractors who have hedge cutting as a strong part of their business are “quite professional in terms of the quality of workmanship”.
“A person who is experienced in operating a flail or cutter, and has been doing the management [of hedges] year in and year out, their work is really good quality and the hedge is not butchered or destroyed,” he said.
“They manage them [and] remove one to three years of growth – and that’s it.”
National Parks and Wildlife Service prosecutions
During the prohibited season, the National Parks and Wildlife Service takes on the main role in investigating concerns over the impact of cutting on wildlife.
In contrast to the complaints received by councils, complaints received by the NPWS, a snapshot of which were released to Noteworthy, outline concerns over cutting taking place.
While the NPWS was unable to provide an estimate of the number of complaints received annually as “no records are kept centrally”, the agency provided us with a sample of complaints received from the public across the country over the past three years.
The majority of complaints, several of which included photographic or geolocation data, concerned cutting of hedgerows in rural areas. There were also several urban cases reported.
In May 2018, for example, an individual sent evidence of a hedgerow being cut in an urban industrial estate. “This hedge cutting has caused serious carnage amongst breeding wildlife and I was able to count 11 nests that have been destroyed… Please do something about this,” the email stated.
In June 2018, an individual said that they were “horrified” to see hedges being cut in a Kildare town where the individual estimated that many nests were destroyed. “I feed the wild birds everyday and was devastated to see this happening.”
In one case, in July 2018, someone reported “numerous cases of hedge cutting” where they saw “absolutely no need for the cutting from a health and safety reason”. In all the cases, they said that the cutting occurred along “nice wide roads” and provided location data.
In many of the complaints, there is a clear sense of frustration and concern that their concerns will not be acted upon. “It’s so frustrating to see valuable habitats being destroyed and sadly there seems to be practically no consequences for breaking the law,” one person told the NPWS.
According to BirdWatch’s Duggan, there are some “fantastic rangers” working to tackle the issue, but that a historic lack of resources available is hindering their work.
In a statement, the Department of Housing, under which the NPWS sits, said that there are presently 72 conservation rangers stationed around the country who deal with a range of enforcement activities on a day-to-day basis.
The Department said that it is working towards increasing the overall number of rangers and a recent recruitment competition attracted more than 500 applications. “Any further appointments arising from this competition will be made across the country, taking account [of] both the business needs and financial resources to meet pay costs,” it said.
The agency does act where it can, according to records released to Noteworthy that show the agency brought 88 successful prosecutions between 2007 and 2020 in relation to hedge cutting or removal. Fines, costs and donations to charities totalling just under €58,000 were paid by the guilty parties.
In some cases, they were ordered to pay up to €1,000 to conservation groups, including BirdWatch Ireland and the Irish Wildlife Trust. In one case in Westmeath in 2020, two guilty individuals were ordered to make a contribution of €5,000 to a bird conservation project.
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Tendering process weighted toward costs
Neil Foulkes said that a possible solution to ensure consistently high quality work is to change the tendering process used by local authorities to hire contractors for hedge cutting works.
Local authorities procure hedge cutting services using the State’s SupplyGov procurement platform that sets down criteria and a framework that councils can draw off as required.
A Noteworthy analysis of requests for tenders issued by councils in 2020 released under AIE shows that price appears to be the key or only determining factor in awarding contracts to cut hedges.
Replies from 20 local authorities indicate that, in the majority of cases, marking criteria is weighted 90% toward cost and just 10% toward project methodology.
In some cases, the marking criteria is 100% weighted toward cost. In many cases, the project methodology relates to health and safety management, traffic management control and past experience of hedge cutting.
In just a few cases, contractors are expected to outline proposed methodologies for limiting or eliminating any impact on the hedge itself.
There are generally no requirements that contractors have expertise or knowledge in hedgerow care or biodiversity issues in the tender records seen by Noteworthy.
Tipperary County Council appears to be the only county that stipulates that contractors engaged by the authority have completed a hedgerow maintenance course.
Clare County Council – the first local authority to offer grants to communities to cut hedges outside of the closed season – also has a roadside hedgerow management manual for staff and contractors that outlines best practice to protect biodiversity.
Neil Foulkes said he has called for years for criteria to be placed in the tendering process to ensure contractors have completed a training course on hedgerow management.
He pointed to a previous course run by the agri-research body Teagasc that included sessions on hedge husbandry and environmental care.
“It needs a concerted effort from local authorities as a whole to say that this is something we all agree needs to be done,” Foulkes said.
Michael Moroney of the Association of Farm Contractors in Ireland, some of whose members undertook the Teagasc training, said that he is “100% supportive” of this approach as currently “there’s no incentive for people to train”.
I could do a course, spend thousands of euro, and you could decide to buy a hedge cutter tomorrow morning and you could undercut my price and there’s nothing stopping you from doing bad work.
“We don’t have a formal accreditation process and I would like to see this changed,” he said. Moroney added that the association has previously asked the Department of Agriculture to see up a register of accredited contractors.
“That’s not happening at the moment and, instead, what’s happening is it’s a race to the bottom in terms of pricing,” he said. “We are in favour of a situation where if you’re going to hire a contractor, that they will have those [training] requirements.”
Looking to the future
There are signs that things may be moving in the right direction. Many councils are trying new ways to get landowners to cut their hedges during the normal season.
Grant schemes have been set up in more counties in recent years, including Leitrim, Roscommon, Mayo and West Cork. Uptake has been strong, and growing from year to year.
Several additional councils have also developed specific policies since the 2016 review was carried out, including Cavan and Roscommon.
Others councils are now preparing specific policies, including Cork and Carlow, while Mayo’s multi-stakeholder hedge cutting forum is currently considering a new policy.
The Government has also made it clear that there is a future for hedgerows, with the Programme for Government outlining plans to review legal protections in place and complete a national hedgerow survey.
The latter move is a positive and vital step, according to Foulkes. “I constantly made the point that before you produce a solution to a problem, we need to define the extent of the problem and it was never done with the hedgerows and the road issues,” he said.
More data would have been useful, he said, prior to the passage of the much-debated Heritage Act in 2018 that gave the Minister for Heritage the power to make regulations for roadside hedge cutting in August for a pilot phase of two years.
In the end, the Minister did not alter either period in 2019 or 2020. Yet, according to BirdWatch’s Duggan, the decision to push for the change of the cutting season indicated there is still a long way to go in changing the way we treat our hedgerows.
She said, however, that the debate around the Act did have a silver lining and sparked interest, with over 35,000 people signing a petition against the proposed changes.
“To me, that was the first indication that there was a significant part of the population that was really hungry to see nature protection around them,” Duggan said, calling on policymakers to follow suit.
“People want to see nature in their locality. They don’t want to live in an area where hedgerows are shorn. People want to see more, not less. So it’s up to all of us now, especially the decision makers, to bring about policies and legislation to help with this.”
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In part two of this investigation, we speak with legal experts, conservation campaigners, and the farming community about large-scale hedgerow removal on farms and if authorities are enforcing strict rules in places to ensure compliance with EU environmental laws.
This investigation was carried out by Noteworthy, the investigative journalism platform from TheJournal.ie. It was proposed and funded by you, our readers, as well as with support from the Noteworthy general fund to cover additional costs.
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Biden is weak, his henchmen think taking on Putin with mind games over the Ukraine will improve his image. The Russians have no intention of invading, just flexing their muscles over NATOs continuing encroachment towards its own territory.
This whole invasion conspiracy is a hoax to make Biden more appealing to Trump followers.
@Blind Faith: I seriously think Biden has dementia. How is he even in power, specially during such delicate circumstances. It’s quite scary actually.
@Blind Faith: In dreamland with 42 others
@Blind Faith: Naturally, we are all just speculating here but I think you’re spot on.
@Anna Carr: He hasn’t got dementia, he’s just to old for the demands of the job.
@Vonvonic: *too old (morto)
@Blind Faith: Well if it isn’t the old ‘Dead cat strategy’ – the real news they are burying is the US stealing $5 billion from Afghanistans (frozen) reserves. Not content with bombing them into the stoneages, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, then leaving >90% in poverty – they are strangling them with sanctions and stealing their national wealth. This is the level of genocidal psychopathy which our ‘free press’ never report on – but yeah China/Russia bad! https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/11/us-biden-to-split-frozen-afghan-funds-between-9-11-families
@Blind Faith: You’re a right id1ot
@Blind Faith: I pray you’re correct. I hope there is no war. But I believe Russia will invade, hoping for a Chechnya type outcome where they can install a strong pro Russian henchman. I think the west haven’t a stomach for a fight. As it turns out worst thing Ukraine ever did was surrender their nuclear weapons.
@Anna Carr: rather him the Trumpy who would be on his knees giving Putin a Bj given the chance.
@Richard O Connor:. Russia is waiting for the other side to arm up to make it a fair fight? They have absolutely no interest in invading that basket case of a cesspit, which would result in Russia’s destruction. The hysteria cannot be kept up indefinitely.
@Blind Faith: I can’t believe this has 400 likes. So much wrong in one comment.
@Great White Hope:
Great white dope
Ah here, this is every feckin day now… Did he not see the press conference with Putin and Macron?? Ukraine is downplaying any invasion and telling its people theres ni need to panic. France is thrashing out dialogue with Russia to diffuse and de-escalate the situation and the US is shouting from the hills war is inevitable. Wtf like?
@Billy Davies: the opposition in Ukraine don’t share your optimism. They state that Ukraine must join NATO to protect itself from Russia.
@Mjhint: The opposition disagree. That has to be a first!
@Billy Davies: Exactly. The anti French sentiment from the Anglophiles on here means that we can never give them credit for anything.
@Mjhint: The opposition? Isn’t this “the opposition” since 2014? How many oppositions are needed? Probably as many as it takes until it suits the narrative in the west.
@Colin Conlan: Poroshenko 2014-2019 was not good. He may have been “pro European” (anti Russian) but did not do what was asked from west. Business man, maybe understood too well what Ukraine is on the world scene. So it was replaced with a TV comedian, in hope this one will be more… “docile”. In fact the Trump scandal with Ukraine uncovered the fact US thought new president is now the pocket. Well, the comedian is not there either.
Ukraine’s life is meant to be same as Finland (and Sweden?), on international politic scene. Anything else will be treason.
@Mjhint: But like Putin stated, should Ukraine join NATO and decide to take back Crimea by force from Russia and trigger NATOs article 5, Then you have people from all across Europe been drawn into a war with Russia which they have no desire to be in. Putin may be a corrùpt individual but his speeches have a lot of merit to them if we’re to sit on the fence and be unbias.
@Colin Conlan: — Something tells me that English isn’t your first language.
@Vonvonic: the opposition are left wing and not particularly pro US but still think Russia is dangerous enough to invade.
@Billy Davies: very true the reason putin doesn’t want them in NATO is down to crimea and he fears at some stage in the future when Russia is weaker the Ukrainians will seek to regain crimea and rightly so. That would put Putin back in his box.
@Mjhint: Crimeans will not rejoin Ukraine. It’s a basket case. Putin, who has the world’s biggest nuclear arsenal will not be put in any box.
@Mjhint: I,m quite sure the U.S. would react the same as Russia when Foreign military forces gather at their border. It’s the Cuban missile crisis in reverse.
@Kieran Woods: That’s what was said of the Soviets and look how that turned out. Putin is in a precarious position at home. He will eventually be revealed to the Russians what he’s up to and that’s when he will be removed most likely by force.
@Billy Davies: the problem is that the USA do not want a resolution that keeps Europe buying natural gas from Russia. If France and Germany and Russia and the Ukraine can reach another agreement such as Minsk 2 and gas continues to flow and the new pipeline is opened then the USA looses. It must therefore wind up the heat in the hope that something breaks so they can call for sanctions to close the gas pipelines. At the end of the day I would be more suspicious of a USA false flag event than a Russian one. When will people wake up and realise that this is not about the freedom of Ukraine but about who supplies natural gas to Europe. Proof of which is that Biden has said he will not send troops into Ukraine but use (gas) sanctions if Russia does.
@Donal Desmond: it absolutely isn’t the Cubian missile crisis in reverse. Kennedy was a fool to do what he did and got humiliated in the end and the missiles in Cuban were not defensive weapons. Ukraine is not being forced to join NATO. Its asking NATO into the country because of crimea and the Eastern Ukrainian conflict and its poor border infrastructure.
@E.J. Murray: Oh, that’s such a sad comment!
Is English your first language? Irish blood by any chance? Proud English is your first?
It may not be the first for me, but is the last. Because fme if I’ll learn Gaelic, unless you learn my first just as well. First language is one of a NATO country, unlike Ireland.
Funny to discuss here what’s best for Ukraine while sitting at the very edge of west of Europe, “neutral”, outside of NATO, a best economical friend.
Ukraine as a country I am sure would not like to be where it is. Ask anybody there and they will tell you instead of being between US and Russia would rather be… New Zealand.
@Mjhint: The U.S. removed offensive missiles from Turkey as part of the agreement that defused the crisis. Seems you along with a certain section can’t wait for a war, old Chinese saying…be careful for what you wish for.
The ‘west’ should have realised what would happen when they organised the coup in Kiev. The arms sales may be good for business but ultimately the Russo-Ukranians were not going to give in. Their history of resistance to the Nazis, and its local allies, is too great and too recent for them to accept the westward push again.
@Willie Penwright: By “coup”, I assume you mean the Maidan revolution whereby the Ukrainian people ousted their Russian owned president, after months of protest, ending in a unanimous parliamentary vote, after he refused to sign an association agreement with the EU?
@Pádraic Brady: By the same token the people of Crimea voted to rejoin the Russian federation. Everyone is happy.
@Pádraic Brady: that little coup was funded to the tune of a few billion by …guess who the usual regime change specialists…and mass murders…remember…. Libya, Iraq, ,Afghanistan, tried
Vietnam, tried Syria, …almost every country in Latin America…..all for money…
@Kieran Woods: the Crimean people voted at gunpoint, and Russians voted in crimea. Well documented. Polls fixed.
Putin knows now is the time, the west has never had so many weak leaders. Just need Teddy Roosevelt to save the day now on a rough rider!!!
@Jimmy Fitzpatrick: you may be right on that one but the problem puitn has now is if he invades or not,if he invades and russia suffer massive losses which looks likely then the russia public will turn quick and then with the sanctions things could get bad in russia and if he doesn’t invade he starts to look weak,he needs to get some concessions in this
@Warren Mcdermott: agreed Warren but he has prepared for the sanctions apparently saving up a reserve stockpile which he can sustain the economy gold/resources I don’t know. As you said its down to Russia public opinion now and what state news they are watching
@Warren Mcdermott: Russians are hugely nationalistic, so once the troops are seen to be expanding the good old USSR again the court of public opinion will keep with Putin, after all, as far as a lot of them are concerned Ukraine was and always will be a part of Russia.
That, and Russia will win this potential war, hands down, and Russians love winning, even if it means taking huge casualties-thats wants the 130,000 soldiers are for anyway!
And the sanctions are a farce anyway, if Putin gets really mad, and his buddies do start to suffer financially, they’ll simply switch off the gas and oil supply lines to Europe.
@Felix O’ Mahoney: Russia loves winning? Russia does not know the meaning of winning, its a state that just believes in a sovereign imperial system. Its never won always believes its lost be it war or land enlightenment. Yes they took Berlin but they will never be happy. Stand tall throw everything against them let them back down and let putin fight with twitter
@Jimmy Fitzpatrick: “Stand tall throw everything against them let them back down”? Sounds like a line from Irelands Call. Just a few questions about your game plan. When do we start to throw everything? Where do we throw everything? And most importantly of all; when you say everything, do you mean “Everything”? Also, should we wear the away kit or the home kit? Back to the drawing board I’d say.
@Vonvonic: we stand tall on the border? Leave them no choice its a game of cat and mouse and putin is testing the waters above! Fair play to the British they have sent the troops Germany sent 350? You were rhe home kit kid unless your sailing from the crimea!
@Jimmy Fitzpatrick: That’s a slight deescalation of your original game plan. Stay at it another while I’d say. Keep in mind the French are making significant progress. Fair play to the UK? OK.
@Vonvonic: are you thick? The French good man the most populous army armed ground force in Europe, we all know what happened those strategies. Again put forces on the borders end of story.
@Jimmy Fitzpatrick: Your knowledge of “Russia” seems to run deep. I bet you have never even spoken to an actual Russian person.
@Jimmy Fitzpatrick: Teddy Roosevelt took part in the annexation of Cuba by the U.S. The old Spanish imperial power was replaced by the new American imperial power. It was not until Castro and his freedom fighters entered Havana the Cuba was free. You may recall the reaction of the U.S. when they placed missiles in Cuba. NATO and U.S. on Russian borders, how do you expect them to react.
They’ve all got an itch for war. Why don’t these big tough leaders square up in a boxing ring and leave innocent people out of it.
@Ed: I think Putin would be quite happy to get into a boxing ring with Biden. It would all very over very quickly!
@Young Angus: Be over
The Yanks are pushing this desperately. It is notable the the heavy hitters in the European end of NATO (France, Germany, Italy) don’t want to know. This whole thing seems to be about shutting down Nord Stream Two not Ukraine . It is noticeable that Schultz wouldn’t say that it was on the sanctions list despite being put under incredible pressure. If it does go on the list then war in Ukraine will start in a day or two. Bulgaria has also announced that it won’t host American troops.
@Des Hanrahan: Hate autocorrect ‘that the’.
@Des Hanrahan: Yes, it is interesting to watch. I think the EU has to find its own feet and start protecting its own, as opposed to the American, interests. They will be put under a lot of pressure, but as with the war in Syria, America will start it and we here will be the ones flooded with refugees.
@Des Hanrahan: You don’t know much about NATO if you think Germany and Italy are heavy hitters in it.
@Tom Quin: Try comparing their militaries with the other European members ( leaving out nukes ).
@Des Hanrahan: You are simply comparing sizes on paper, which is a bad criteria. The German air force is in an appalling state and so is the army, underfunded for decades. Germany has underfunded for decades. Neither the Italian nor German forces are capable of expeditionary warfare either. The French and UK are the only European states that can do that.
I definitely think Putin will do anything he can to regain Ukrainian land to keep it as part of Russia.
@Brian Kelly: and unfortunately he will , since all the sell out western leaders are queuing up in kremlin on a red carpet before the czar. They get their shares and brown stashes of gold from czar.
@Brian Kelly: If he trys it with will be Russias Vietnam. Eastern Ukraine are partly pro Russia. Western Ukraine despises Putin.
@Brian Kelly: He has absolutely no interest in Ukraine. It’s a naziridden basket case that costs billions to prop up.
Time to calm down amd look where all this is going. Nobody but the weapons industry benefits from wars
The biggest lovers are always the innocent civilians.
Have a look at and a serious think about the escalation and rhetoric that is going on and try to see who would benefit the most if the shooting actually starts.
Time to step back and smell the coffee.
@George Vladisavljevic:
* The biggest losers
Valentines day on mind
US foreign policy is a mess..PUTin knows this
This whole “war is imminent” panic seems to only be coming of the US and UK constantly. What are they doing? These are the same people who couldn’t detect the taliban invasion until they were flying their flag in Kabul.
It’s like they’re trying to disrupt trade and cause tensions in the region.
@Rochelle: Selling weapons is the name of the game. Nothing else.
Seems like hyperbole from the US and news outlets are happy to pedal it. Macron and Putin had good meeting last week, Ukraine downplaying the rhetoric. It’s like the US has something to prove.
The US is a total warmonger, they should try to get things right at home before policing (starting wars) around the planet.
Ah yes the world is a very dangerous place. Europe must therefore buy expensive American weaponry. They’ve only pulled out of Afghanistan a few months and they’re already squaring up for another fight.
@SJF: Germany, the UK, France and Italy are also pretty big arms dealers.
The west are calling Russia’s bluff. We shall see if it was the correct decision or not.
@Munster1: nothing like a jolly good ticking off and harsh words to deter a dictator. The West did the same in 1939 and look where that got us?!
@Paul Shepherd: What do you mean us ? The Soviet Union bore the brunt of Nazi Germany, England and France went to war over Poland, yet it was agreed by the USSR,Britain, US, that demarcation lines would be decided. Yes the USSR used brutal methods in Hungary and Czecholovakia ,the same as the U.S. did in Vietnam , Laos, and Cambodia, not to mention the overthrow of democratically elected governments in Iran and South America. If you wish to express your viewpoint a bit of balance please.
@Donal Desmond: well maybe you’ll tell the truth about Russia. It invaded Europe first and signed a deal with Hitler to chop it up. Then after WW2 held Eastern Europe under an iron grip for 50 years. Merging all of the US misadventures doesn’t come close to what Russia did. Gave its prisoners of war 10 years hard labour, forced evacuations of ethnic Germans. Their historical treatment of its Jewish populations in the pale
Of settlements. Caused a famine in the Ukraine. Used forced labour camps against its own civilians. Forced migration of the Chechen population. Afghanistan, used military against solidarity protests. Invaded Georgia and Ukraine, the 2 Chechen wars.
@Ray Finn: England and France declared war when Germany invaded Poland, The Russians than invaded east Poland, oddly the British and French never declared war against Russia. Unfortunately for the Poles Stalin made a brilliant tactical move, When the Nazi’s invaded Russia the distance to Moscow was greater. As for German POWs being held for 10 years ,they were lucky after what they had done in Russia. Never again would Russia find enemies at it’s border. That’s what is happening now.
@Donal Desmond: the Soviet invasion was brilliant? Unless you’re one of the one hundred and fifty thousand Poles they ethnically exterminated. It’s weird how lefties always justify and even praise Stalins genocide while attacking the west.
War! ain’t nothing but a heart-breaker
(War) Friend only to The Undertaker
Oh, war it’s an enemy to all mankind
The thought of war blows my mind
War has caused unrest
Within the younger generation
Induction then destruction
Who wants to die? Oh
The more and more that the sabre rattling goes on and threats of imminent invasion are given, the more it confirms that it is all about shutting down Northstream2 and replacing it with US and pro Western gas as well as preventing Russia and other countries from selling gas and oil to the rest of the world.
No articles anywhere questioning the sanctions imposed on 2 of countries with the largest oil reserves, unilateraly imposed by the US. What is being done with the oil that is being controlled and protected by US forces in Syria?
It is all about the control of gas, oil and trying to bankrupt Russia, like they did the USSR with the Afghan war.
The Russians are terrified of invasions from the west, they have had many, Sweden, Napoleon, about 10 countries in 1919. In the last invasion by Germany they lost 25,000,000 people and suffered catastrophic devastation. They do not want NATO missiles on their borders, as the US did not want missiles in Cuba. The US forced regime change in the Ukraine and the New right-wing government discriminate against Russian speakers… forcing Donbas and the Crimea. It is vital that our government use its seat in rhe UN for peace as our media should attempt impartiality.
@Fergus Quinlan: the US didn’t force a regime change, that was the Ukrainian people, I recall them camped out in a square in Keiv.
@Tomás Barrett: I recall US people on Capitol Hill doing more than camping out. Nothing changed there.
But you tell yourself that, not me.
@Tomás Barrett: Who do you think funded it.
Putin’s really enjoying this.. watching and
meeting bumbling leaders which aren’t going to do anything either way. Chaotic.
can the journal do a survey do you think Russia will invade? etc…
@JohnDoe: Yes send a tip to the editor. It may be better to do a survey of when..
Wonder if it had anything to do with GAS
Bizarrely weak statement from Biden
Never happens if the orange man was still in office.
At this rate Russia need say nothing and USA will see it as incitement of war. America will not be happy until they start WW3. NATO keep moving East but Russia is the problem here.
Russia, China, Belarus join up together bye-bye Europe
The west need to stop sending its leaders to Moscow to pander to the ego of this lun@tic . If he invades Ukraine let him face the consequences.
@Gerry McCaughey: Yea ok Gerry let’s not worry about the Ukrainian people the won’t face the consequences at all will they?
@Gerry McCaughey: The ones going to Moscow are the warmongers. They are the ones selling the weapons to this bankrupt dump that will never be able to pay for them unless it allows a military base on its soil.
@Kieran Woods: A dump? Was Ireland any better before it joined the EU? Maybe joining the EU could turn it around.
@Kieran Woods: a bankrupt dump from the mouth of a dun.ce. What price hath freedom.. Putin wouldn’t want them to join Europe either it would be a conflict if interest and be a serious threat to Russia… ya know how we Europeans are..land grabbers.
@Gerry McCaughey: When the Russians installed missiles in Cuba the U.S. responded , what’s the difference now.
@Splat: From the UN High Commission for Human Rights.
“Ukraine’s government has restricted media and freedoms of expression and peaceful assembly, violating international law, the U.N. human rights office has said. Activists, journalists and critics have been persecuted for challenging Kyiv government narratives or investigating corruption, and opposition political parties were also under attack. This is from a Dec 2021 report documenting incidents since 2019″
Yes, a bankrupt, cesspit.
Stand up to bullies or be trampled by them.
@Sean Thornton: Easy to give advice from an other part of the world, not even a NATO member.
Would you join the Hutch gang while sharing a long fence with Kinahan? You do that then come here talk.
The U.S always wanted their war with Russia , war is good business. Europe can be the battle ground as usual.
Everyday we are warned of an attack the US arms salesmen scramble for loot….. meanwhile our monthly protest at Shannon Airport goes ahead at 14.00 to 15.00 next Sunday as ever…. second Sunday of the month… weather not great….
For the love of God Ukrainians, find some oil quickly!
If you do, Biden just MIGHT come to your rescue.
Otherwise he’ll keep taking very harsh positions such as not inviting Putin to lunch.
You can’t put China on the list without adding North Korea.
Earth calling Cork…. Come in Cork.. fishermen!!
US and UK seem to want a war.
@Nick Caffrey: the US UK arent the ones with hundreds of thousands of troops on Ukraine border demanding seven countries leave the EU and NATO
Four more years !
Ive no love for Trump but it didn’t take long for the white house to start banging the war drums after he was gone
For all the armchair generals out there, the reason why we keep hearing this familiar line from the US is because they’re the ones sitting on the Intel, which includes satellite imagery showing Russian troops moving and congregating. Remember, every time they raise this alarm, Putin’s plan is called into question. Does he invade as the US predict, or does he delay? Don’t underestimate the impact of this. It’s an effective use of intelligence on America’s part, and keeps Russia in the spotlight, where Putin doesn’t want to be. I suspect he never expected to get this much attention. Now the world is watching, he may have more jitters than before. We can hope.
Hahahaha
American war monger’s
Russia is already in Belarus, which isn’t Russian
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