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HOPEFULLY THIS ENDLESS winter will begin to ease off as the long range weather forecast for next week seems to be promising cold but bright days. So why not go for a bracing stroll to one of Ireland’s wonderful heritage sites? I’m currently trying to visit as much of the country as I can and weather permitting, I’ll be visiting sites in Cork next week. If anyone has any suggestions of great heritage sites in your area please do leave a comment.
Here are a few more great sites to visit in Kilkenny, Mayo, Wicklow and Meath:
1. Knockroe Passage Tomb, Co. Kilkenny
Knockroe Passage tomb is located in a picturesque setting on the slopes above the Lingaun River and old slate quarries which were abandoned in the early 1900′s. This passage tomb dates to around 3000 BC and has many similarities to the far more famous examples such as Newgrange and Knowth in the Brú na Bóinne complex in Meath.
Originally Knockroe would have been a similar tomb to Newgrange, albeit on a much smaller scale. It is likely that it too would have had an earthen mound surrounded by large kerbstones. However unlike Newgrange, Knockroe has two burial chambers, located at the eastern and western sides of the feature. These tombs are exposed, and had long ago lost their earthen cover. Many of the stones lining the passageways of these tombs at Knockroe are highly decorated with megalithic art such as spirals, hollowed ‘cup marks’, and zig-zags. You can still find them in their original locations, and when you see them it is impossible not to wonder about the possible meaning of the decorations – was it purely decorative or did it have a deeper symbolism, and what messages may be in that symbolism? You can also still see the quartz which possibly would have formed a wall around the entrance to the passageways.
Also like Newgrange, Knockroe is aligned with the winter solstice. Every year around 21 December, people gather at Knockroe to witness the sun setting in perfect alignment with the length of western tomb.
Knockroe is one of a group of tombs located in this region, all of which are aligned with the large mound on the summit of Slievenamon in County Tipperary. Knockroe is one of those wonderful sites that you can’t help to keep thinking about long after your visit. Without being encumbered with its earthen mound, Knockroe is like the stony skeleton of a Neolithic passage tomb.
To get to Knockroe from Carrick on Suir, take the R697 going north, then take the left hand turn for the R698 and continue down this road until you come to a crossroads. Go left at this crossroads and continue straight on, through another smaller crossroads. After this, take the next left and drive carefully down this road. The site will be located down this lane. The lanes are narrow and you may have to park your car at the top of the lane. The site is fenced off and situated on relatively dry ground but boots or reasonably sturdy footwear is still advised
2. Murrisk Friary, Co. Mayo
Murrisk Friary is beautifully situated in the shadow of Croagh Patrick – the ‘Holy Mountain of Ireland’ – and on the southern shores of Clew Bay in Co. Mayo. The Friary is thought to have been founded in 1456 and was handed over to the Augustinian Friars. According to historical sources, a Sligo friar, Hugh O’ Malley built a monastery on land granted to him by his relatives, the powerful O’Malley family. The O’ Malleys were important land owners in this part of Mayo, and the famous Pirate Queen Gráinne Mhaol (Grace O’Malley) was one of their more illustrious descendants.
The main part of the visible remains today appear to date to the fifteenth century. You can see the remains of the church, with some domestic buildings to the north giving the site a distinctive ‘L’ shape. One of the notable features of the site is the east window, beautifully sculpted in the flamboyant Irish Gothic style.
The crenellations or battlements, crowning the building are thought to be of a later date. There are carved faces on the southern and eastern walls of the friary. It is unknown who these faces represent, but it was quite common in the medieval period to display depictions of wealthy patrons of the church on the walls of the building. The domestic buildings of the monastery would have been situated around the simple church at right angles to it. The remains of the sacristy and the chapter house are all that survives of these buildings today.
The chapter house was one of the most important structures in the Friary as it was the place where the monks met to discuss the day to day running of the abbey and where the Rules of the Order were read to the community of monks working, living and praying in the Friary. There are no above ground traces of other domestic buildings associated with medieval religious houses such as the refectory (kitchen) or the dormitories where the monks would have slept. Early medieval shrines like Shrine of St. Patrick’s Tooth and the Black Bell of St. Patrick may have been stored and venerated at the friary at Murrisk as it is a stopping point on the pilgrimage up the holy mountain.
The site at Murrisk is a very interesting example of a later medieval religious house. The site is made even more spectacular by its incredible setting at the foot of Croagh Patrick and on the shores of Clew Bay. It is well worth a visit if you are over in the west. To get to Murrisk, make your way west from Westport towards Lecanvey and Louisburgh. The site is located down a narrow lane to the right of the main road, on the opposite side of the car park for Croagh Patrick and close to the National Famine Monument.
3. The Pipers Stones – Athgreany Stone Circle, Co. Wicklow
Also known as The Pipers Stones, like the majority of stone circles in Ireland, this stone circle at Athgreany in Wicklow probably dates to the earlier part of the Bronze Age. The true purpose of these sites is unknown and there are a number of theories about their use. It is thought that they could have served as ceremonial centres during religious rites, or perhaps as calenders to mark the sun’s position to inform the people when to sow their crops. A number of stone circles also have burials associated with them, though it is unknown whether any burials are associated with this one at Athgreany. This circle has an internal diameter of approximately 15 metres. Unfortunately it appears that only five of the stones are still in their original positions as somebody in the past tried unsuccessfully to clear the field, the stones still in their original positions vary in height from around 1.3 metres to 2 metres.
Local folklore states the circle was formed when people caught dancing on a Sunday were turned to stone and now are forever frozen mid-dance. The large outlying stone represents the piper who played for the unfortunate dancers. This is a large glacial erratic located about 40 metres from the circle. Large grooves criss-cross the top of this stone and may represent basic megalithic art, probably suggesting that although this large stone is situated outside of the circle, it still formed an important part of the ceremonies of the site.
The site at Athgreany is very easy to find and access, it is located approximately 15km north of Baltinglass on the Dublin Road. It is well signposted, with a small area of hard shoulder to leave the car. Climb over the wooden stile and the stones are on a hilltop after around a 200 metre walk, an information panel at the bottom of the hill describes the site.
4. The Cathedral of St. Peter & Paul and The Priory and Hospital of St. John the Baptist at Newtown in Trim, Co. Meath.
For our final suggestion we have two sites for one as they are so close together. The Cathedral of St. Peter & Paul at Newtown in Trim was founded by the Norman Bishop, Simon de Rochfort in 1206 and was given to the Augustinians.
Although only parts of the nave and chancel survive today, it is easy to get the impression of just how massive this cathedral would have been. You can still see many of the fine decorative flourishes in the stonework, and it has lovely lancet windows. The piscina where the priest used to wash the holy vessels during the mass is also still well preserved.
The site is famous for the remarkable 16th century tomb of Sir Lucas Dillon and his wife, Lady Jayne Bathe. The two stone effigies on the tomb are separated by a sword of state. The tomb is known locally as The Tomb of the Jealous Man and Woman. It is believed that instead of signifying the sword of state, the sword actually represents Sir Lucas’ displeasure at his wife for having an affair, forever separating the two. It is believed that the tomb possesses a cure for warts and skin complaints. Rub your wart on a pin and leave the pin on top of the tomb, as the pin rusts the wart withers and falls off. I cannot speak personally for whether this works, but I did notice a large number of pins on the tomb!
Situated very close to the Cathedral are the remarkable ruins of The Priory and Hospital of St. John the Baptist (pictured). This site sits directly alongside the beautiful River Boyne and it is a superb site to explore. The Priory was founded in the early thirteenth century by Simon de Rochfort for the Order of the Crutched Friars (Fratres Cruciferi). As well as being a monastery and guesthouse for pilgrims, the site also served as a hospital. The Order of the Crutched friars were just one of a number of religious orders that were brought to Ireland by the Normans following their invasion. They also brought the Knights Templar, the Hospitalliers and Trinitarians, as well as strongly supporting the expansion of religious orders like the Augustinians, Benedictines and Cistercians who already had a foothold in Ireland prior to the Norman invasion.
The site was excavated by the archaeologist David Sweetman in 1984, when he discovered the remains of a fifteenth century rood-screen that separated the nave from the choir, and a doorway in the gable end of the nave. He also found the remains of a tower leading to a room over the sacristy and part of the original domestic range to the north-east of the choir. Today you can still find the nave and chancel and a striking three-light window in the eastern wall. The large rectangular three-storey tower is 15th century, and was likely to have been domestic quarters. The priory was dissolved during the Reformation in 1541, and was converted to being a private residence before eventually falling into ruin.
These sites are great to explore, if the weather is fine simply park at the Trim Castle carpark and follow the River Walk alongside the Boyne. The walk in itself takes about 15mins and gives you sensational views of Trim Castle. After you’ve absorbed all the history you can absorb a nice pint in the old pub located directly across the river from The Priory Hospital.
All photographs © Neil Jackman/abartaheritage.ie
I was an au pair for a french family when I was 18. I had the pleasure of meeting the grandmother when she came to stay with them for 4 days, a truly amazing woman. Each night, without fail, I woke to her screaming hysterically and her daughter explained to me that she was an Auschwitz survivor. The sole survivor from a family of 8 who was 13 years old when she was liberated. But, she woke screaming every single night ever since. I won’t ever forget her and I hate to think that she could be experiencing any kind of anti semitism again.
Fortunately and properly holocaust deniers are deprived of a platform to deny well established historical veracity. Some things are too important to be permitted to be the subject of lies.
Lest we ever forget.
Are you a holocaust denier, just out of curiosity? I don’t understand people who deny the holocaust, 9/11 or Apollo 11.
You are a holocaust denier. You deny historical fact. It is pointless debating something which is beyond debate. Any decent ou publication would ban your lies.
I just don’t get it?
Can somebody please explain to me how the genocide of 8,000,000 people can be faked? Millions of survivors, thousands of camp guards, the buildings themselves, archival footage, official Nazi records and the admission of Reichsminister Albert Speer himself? It just seems so ludicrously beyond debate. Why not question that World War II ever happened while you’re at it?
Sean. T Troy , you are using fact, reason and accuracy.
I’ve decided that I don’t care about being banned by The Journal. I’m taking on this guy.
I don’t agree with Anthony or the Journal policy. I think everybody should be allowed a voice, bar none. If you hold sincere beliefs that the Holocaust never happened, I respect your right to say that. I don’t however, respect your views. I don’t care what “evidence” you have. Historical revisionism is a legitimate academic field, denying what is overwhelmingly factual is not.
There is no “mainstream narrative”. I’ve stood in Birkenau. I’ve seen the piles of hair. I’ve seen the shoes of the millions who went there to die. I’ve seen the last personal belongings of those who thought they were simply being moved. I’ve seen the true face of evil when I read Mengele’s documents about his medical experiments. These were sick people and they committed the greatest crime against nature in all of human history.
The Nazis murdered those who disagreed with them, they burned books and banned free speech. I’m not a Nazi, I welcome your opinions and views. But only so the world can see what a fool you truly are. Although, I suspect that you know that or else you wouldn’t hide behind a placeholder twitter account. My name is right next to my comment. You can see my facebook. You know who I am. Have the courage of your convictions and put a name and face to your mindless, twisted babble.
Warning, you are a holocaust denier and a liar.
Holocaust denial is odious. “Warning” you are repulsive.
A holocaust denier and troll = douche
I’m not a holocaust denier by any stretch, but I do agree with Warning that legal sanction against those who would deny the holocaust is completely wrong. Many of the rights we enjoy today we can thank the horrors of WWII for; we witnessed the horrors of totalitarianism and vowed never to return. I often wonder if, despite the horrors, we should be thankful for what happened during that war, because without it I don’t think the notion of civil liberties we enjoy today would even exist. And one of the most important, if not the most important, of those liberties is our freedom of speech and expression. Isn’t there something just a little fascist and ironic about criminalising the expression of viewpoints relating to the fascism of the past?
Furthermore, the reason I wouldn’t classify myself a holocaust denier is because I researched the topic a lot because I really did doubt the official story, mainly because any opinion that requires legal protection seems to me to lack substance. As it happens, the story as told is pretty accurate, save some minor details. So why then the legal enforcement of the opinion? Erroneous viewpoints should be corrected with debate, and when necessary ridicule, never legal censure. We cannot defend against a return to fascism through fascism lite; allow those who would deny history do so openly, and let our defence be civilised debate, not silencing those who disagree with violence.
Holocaust denial is a cynical and dangerous attempt by Neo Nazis to hide the Nazis’ greatest crime, so that far-right Nazi policies can be seen as somewhat legitimate.
Holocaust deniers deserve to be aggressively challenged and ridiculed.
@ Sean, unfortunately what happened at Birkenau and beyond was not the greatest crime against nature or humanity in all of history, just the worst in recent memory. Horrors like these have been happening since time immemorial, be it the genocides in the Americas or Australia, the mass slaughter in Cambodia in the 70s, going back to genocides committed by the classical Greeks and Romans, the napoleonic wars, or on a smaller scale our own famine of the 19th century, or the Cromwellian conquest. This is why the warnings in this article should be heeded well – the greatest lie ever told is this time things will be different.
@Diarmud, challenged & ridiculed, absolutely. Criminalised as it is in a few EU states, never – no opinion, no matter how distasteful, should ever attract legal sanction.
We cannot allow the mindset which resulted in the perpetration of the holocaust to be repeated.
Freedom of expression is worthless if you are dead. The right to life is anterior to and more important to freedom of expression.
Hate speech against ethnic, racial, religious and other minorities is properly banned because it can result in violence and death.
No sign of Warning’s reply to Sean J. Troy.
It seems that Warning does not engage with facts and, in view of his denial of the reality of the holocaust, that is not at all surprising.
Most human beings are innately decent and good but those who are seduced by Nazi ideology have evil at their core.
Plenty of statements attract various forms of legal sanction… incitement to hatred, supporting terrorism, laws against sectarianism/racism, harassment laws, threats to personal safety, leaking classified information, defamation…
Holocaust denial is not a bona fide and reasonable belief. It is a cynical and offensive form of Neo Nazi propaganda.
@Anthony/Diarmud, must admit I disagree with incitement to hatred laws on many levels; incitement to violence I accept is a necessary restriction on expression rights. We have so little faith in society and people these days – just look at this board, where someone is denying the holocaust but not exactly gaining much traction! We do not need the law to defend against us all returning to the mindset that allowed the holocaust, we as people and as a community won’t allow that happen. Trying to legally enforce particular viewpoints or opinions achieves nothing anyway, but it does allow a dangerous precedent to be set. I much prefer the American approach, whereby free expression is sacrosanct, but ridiculous opinions are always open to ridicule. For all their problems, has free expression caused any real issues in America? And for all our problems, have Europe’s restrictions on free expression really achieved anything?
A holocaust can occur again if we are not vigilant. Warning gets some green thumbs. We see that Nazi ideology never disappears.
Ideologies rarely disappear, but when they are out in the open like this they can be challenged, debated, and discredited for what they are. Make ideologies and opinions illegal and you drive them underground, where they will infect the disenfranchised and slowly but surely gain traction, not least because their illegality will lend such opinions credence in the eyes of those disenfranchised. Isn’t it best to keep ridiculous opinions out in the open where they can be openly ridiculed?
Freedom of expression has its limits in the US also. Fewer limits than in European States on average, but it’s not an unrestricted freedom. There have been countless issues around America’s freedom of speech rights… Westboro Baptist Church, KKK rallies in black neighbourhoods, unrestricted political donations, runaway pornographic industry etc..
Holocaust denial is not a crime here. It is a crime in France, where 400k+ people were exterminated in the Holocaust.
Anthony Lang_ a mini Holocaust occurred in GAZA last summer and the nation behind it not alone is doing its utmost to escape war crimes, is well capable of carrying out far worse again. At least the NAZIS were hauled up before an international tribunal something more than what can be said about the Zi0nist regime.
Diarmuid, the irony is that at least 4 of my comments have been deleted so far by the Journal.
It seems that Warning’s freedom of speech is more valuable than mine.
Westboro have been challenged, but unsuccessfully. KKK remain intact despite challenges. Political donations are not a free expression matter, so not sure the relevance of that. Defamation is pretty much the only restriction on expression rights in the US, and that’s a balance of rights matter (right to a good name vs right to free expression). France may have lost 400k to the holocaust, but America has more families who lost people to the Nazis due to the US being the destination for most Jewish escapees who managed to flee Europe. Still, if you want to fly a swastica flag or march in your SS outfit you are free to do so in America, yet there have been few signs of a popular rising of a modern Nazi party in the states.
These restrictive laws make no sense anyway. They only remain intact and enforceable so long as the majority of society agrees with the sentiment of such laws, but while the majority of society agrees with the sentiment then the law itself is unnecessary beyond shielding people from offence (which the law should never even attempt to achieve), and if the majority revert to Naziism then the laws will quickly become obsolete anyway. Attempting to defend against a return to fascism through the enactment of fascist laws is not only pointless and ridiculous, it sets a dangerous precedent, and it is that precedent that stops the US from acting similarly.
If there are no laws to prevent the expression of Nazi ideology and denial of the holocaust, then prevention of that great evil, which is starting to become resurgent, presents a more drastic form of necessity. If that requires breaking the law, so be it.
Hitler rose and Nazism flourished because his opponents were liberal, law abiding, respectful and compliant.
@Egg Head
Those EU member states who criminalise Holocaust denial are right to do so because it is perverse to think that there is a right to deny that the Holocaust, which was the violation of the right to life of 11 million people (6 million of whom were Jews), took place.
The German intelligence service is doing a good job in the fight against neo-Nazis. Therefore, neo-Nazis will never be able to come to power.
I got the tailend of that curious debate, interesting how “WarningBeaconsofÉire” never once denied the holocaust but asked the journal & people if he has a right to question it. For that, a lynch mob of 5-6 nutters started lying and accusing the guy of things he never said. He asked for permission from our free speech loving Journal coz he said if he put up facts, facts mind you, against the holocaust, he would be deleted and banned. So he was right.
Yeah right you got the “tailend”… you were one of the far-right spewers of bile and now you’ve just set up a new account.
Like the way you call the Journal the Stasi and not the Geatapo.
Do you happen to like the Gestapo?
JournalStasi, or WarningBeaconsof Eire or whatever your poisonous and inhumane brain conjures up, read, if you are capable of reading, this link in today’s Irish Times. This tells you the truth although I suspect that your sick and evil brain lacks the empathy and humanity to even start to comprehend this crime against humanity.
You serve as a warning to us all that neo Nazism needs to be quelled by all and any means possible.
you have attempted to character assassinate mr lang. you are trying to connect denial of the holocaust and the associated stigma it brings with those who question the official narrative of 9.11 and other events.
tell me what exactly dont you understand.
@Anthony I am not “warningbeacons”. You have pulled out every dirty trick in the book, false accusations, nazi smear, lies, insults, reporting to j.ie then banning, now finally like all your other baseless accusations, the nutty paranoia comes out, you think anyone who defends the right to hear another person’s view, and I ‘m not saying I agree with “WarningBeacons”, are all the same person!! Get a grip man, you’re losing it.
@anto no one is denying it happened , but there are many questions , many questions……but of course if you ask a question you can be put in prison……Je suis Charlie did I hear you say ? No ?
@sean Professor Anthony Hamilton, check him out. You know Hitler was financed by Wall Street and banks with Jewish Directors……so why would Jewish Bankers be funding Hitler ?? This has been proven by Professor Anthony Hamilton……..many questions Sean, many questions….
@anto you know Karl Marx was Jewish, Stalin was Jewish and he murdered over 20 million Russians, the butcher of Ukraine was Jewish, Trotsky was Jewish……….Communism was a Zionist plan 100% the historical facts prove this Anto ……….so ? I am just stating facts so do not call me anti-Jewish or something
@anto…….the real Holocaust
“The Jewish Bolshevik terrorists who overthrew the Russian monarchy during WWI and their allies – the USA and the UK, primarily – committed the real atrocities and genocides against the German people and their sympathizers during and after WWII. The British and Americans engaged in a systematic fire-bombing campaign specifically targeting German industrial and urban areas for destruction. Major cities all throughout Germany were fire-bombed on a regular basis, resulting in the horrific death for millions of innocent German civilians – men, women and children.”
JB, I looked up Anthony Hamilton on Google and I couldn’t find anything. Perhaps his works on written in shit on toilet cubicle walls? I can’t imagine it’s worth any more than that. Suggesting that Hitler was financed by Wall Streets Jews is laughable considering he defaulted on pretty much every foreign owned debt the Germans had on the books.
Marx and Trotsky were both born into Jewish families but they were both atheists. Stalin was also an atheist but was born into an Orthodox family. Again, I don’t know which toilet cubicle you read that from. Stalin brutally repressed all religions during the purges. To suggest that he had a zionist agenda is puzzling at best, he wasn’t a zionist. He wasn’t even a proper communist. He was a power hungry and paranoid dictator who used communism as a tool to enslave his people and conquer eastern Europe.
Yes, the allies have a lot of blood on their hands. What happened in Dresden was horrific and I for one am disappointed that this is a rarely told story. Too often the German people’s plights are forgotten. But it doesn’t detract from the horrifying nature of the holocaust.
JournalStasi, your Twitter profile was created after WarningBreacon’s more extreme and overt remarks were properly censored. You profess to know all of WarningBeacon’s comments even though you arrived after his dealt true and the censorship of his Comments, you deeply identical arguments in identical style and you take my direct attacks on WarningBeabons as personal attacks on you. I could list other points.
Your name and new identity were in direct response to Warningbeacon’s departure.
I continue to call you out on your destestable views . That is my freedom of expression. I will resit Neo Nazi evil and holocaust deniers at every opportunity.
BJ, you are deranged and your comments are risible.
Can’t agree more. The fact that the current and ongoing genocide in Palestine is not being acted upon internationally makes me sick. I abhor what happened to the innocent and defenceless in the holocaust, but it is worse to think that the Zionist rulers of Israel are getting away with murder, rape, theft and more. I am a humanist and most definitely not anti-Semitic, we need to ensure that what is going on in Palestine is called out for what it is. Resistance is not terrorism.
Funnily enough, the exact same thing is happening to Palestinians as a result of Israel now. Funny how he failed to note that.
Except the exact same thing is not happening to Palestinians now.
Pretty liberal use of the words “exact” and “same” there Paul. And Israel is a country, this guy is Jewish – Israeli & Jewish are not interchangeable terms, so even if what you said was relevant, which it ain’t, it would still be wrong. No better way to justify the cold blooded murder of 6m innocent people for no reason beyond how they were born than a bit of whataboutery though I guess, well played sir.
What’s funny is the direct correlation between decent people’s condemnation of the imprisonment and brutal treatment of a whole country, whose only crime is living where they’ve always lived, and the purported rise in anti-semitism
Explain please Paul C, how the exact same thing is happening to Palestinians.
The Jews in Europe had their homes, businesses and wealth taken from them by the Nazis and they never put up a struggle. They were peaceful throughout the period of persecution and segregation. When they were being systematically executed and erased from history they hid under beds, under the floors and in attics and basements. They did not deserve to be robbed of their lives and their futures because they did absolutely nothing to deserve it.
It would be illogical to compare the Jews in Europe to Palestinians because Gazans use Hamas to fight Israel regularly. The Jews in Europe didn’t have a terrorist organization to fight their battles. They probably would get more sympathy from the world if they weren’t associated with religious terrorists.
Spiderman. Comparisons are irrelevant. Over analysis of the situation doesn’t help anybody. What’s happening now is what’s critical. Comparing fact sheets to what happened before, to see who deserves the most sympathy, doesn’t help. What happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis was obviously unimaginably horrific, but your point fades off there.
And one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. To condemn Hamas for retaliating against their oppressors doesn’t help anything either. The oppression needs to stop.
If Hamas weren’t such naughty boys, the Israelis wouldn’t have to keep kicking the shit out of them.
Paul, if someone bombed your house and shot your fleeing family in the street because of something your neighbour did, would you think that’s fair game?
Nope.
Sorry to make such a graphic comparison but that’s just how I see it
Conn eh….I never read anything about people with stars on their jackets firing rockets at their enemies or even fighting back in any capacity. Have you?
Hamas have several generations of people willing to wear the Hamas symbol to fight their oppressors. Someone else prior to myself compared the two . I just was pointing out the huge difference. The Holocaust was irrational in that there was no reason for it other than using the Jews as a scapegoat and to take their wealth. With the Muslims in Gaza it’s ideological and engrained in every man women and child. Hence why Israel has to build big walls, fences etc.
Nobody mentions how Egypt has recently shut down their border with Gaza?? No no no let’s just focus on Israel because it’s fashionable isn’t it?
Or how Saudi Arabia is planning on building a massive wall to keep out ISIS?
The holocaust wasn’t irrational, it was wrong but not irrational. And there was a lot more to it than just using Jews as scapegoats or to try and steal their wealth, although that does seem to be the modern narrative to it all. Guess history really is just a set of lies agreed upon.
Spiderman, if anyone with stars on their jackets had rockets to fire at their oppressors, I would not have condemned them for firing them.
Egypt is another subject.
Just to be clear… By ‘oppressors’ I don’t mean civilians. That’s always wrong. Not everybody seems to agree on that though
@Paul: Facts from gaza
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told the press on September 6 that Hamas had killed 120 Fatah members who broke the curfew.
T., a former Hamas Ministry officer, said: “Hamas fires from civilian areas for a good reason: The Israelis call the civilians and give them ten minutes to evacuate. This gives Hamas time to fire another rocket and run away.”
Why, I asked, did Hamas not allow
@Paul- full art. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes
what, millions of Palestinians are being rounded up, put on trains and sent to labour camps where many of them are used for “scientific” experiments and have lampshades made out of their skin? Really.
think before you type, maybe.
Em, tap, tap, the lampshades stuff has been thoroughly debunked, historians now agree on that.
Unfortunately for you “Stasi”, no it hasn’t..
Do you support Nazi racial policies and the murder of millions of Jews?
JournalStasi and Warning Beaconsof Eire,
Historians agree to no such thing. Propaganda for Nazis is your only tune.
I watched the proramme on Ch4 last night showing some of the harrowing Bernstein films taken when the allied soldiers entered the Bergan Belsen concentration camp. Nothing prepared them for the thousand of dead body’s piled up most of which had starved to death or had been tortured. Even civilians living near the camp were not aware of what was going on and were visibly sickened when the soldiers made them all go to the camp to witness the sight for themselves. We think that this couldn’t ever happen again but look what is happening in Ukraine and Syria that we are all turning a blind eye too and nobody seems to care.
I watched it aswell. Frightening stuff. No matter how much i’ve read on it and seen in films and documentaries, lastnights was horrific to watch. To listen to the soldiers that liberated the camps describe them in the exact same way,’like looking into hell’ summed it up for me Well worth a watch but maybe not on a saturday night!
You genuinely think they didn’t know what was going on?
Warning, the gassings took place on an industrial genocidal scale.
Anyone who seeks to minimise is beneath contempt.
You should be banned from the Jiurnal. You disgust me.
It was never claimed that Belsen had gas chambers. It was originally built as a transition camp, somewhere to keep prisoners before they were moved on to concentration camps.
Starved, gassed, they were murdered on an industrial scale.
What’s your point?
Little Jim,
The point is we are not allowed tell you what the point is or what for example, in his 1978 survey of German history, University of Erlangen professor Helmut Diwald wrote about the reality of Belsen.
You are a coward who hides beyond the anonymity of a stupid name.
Is that the same Hellmut Diwald who served in the German army during world war 2?
Diwald was legally compelled to remove part of his book “the History of the Germans”.
Diwali seeks to exculpate the German nation of responsibility for the holocaust by denying that the German nation of the time was responsible and the the extermination camps were located outside of Germany.
Fortunately, his work and superficial research have been discredited.
It is interesting that you are familiar with his pre revised work. That demonstrates what you are.
Anthony,
I am not the one who is hiding behind laws which persecute people who question the history they promote, with penalties of career, job, family and lives ruined. Take away the laws, I will take away my anonymity, btw, I am sure you think name-calling is a tremendous proof for all sorts of issues, but it doesn’t really convince me. If you asked me to condemn a man to death for murder because you told me he was all sorts of things, I wouldn’t go by your name-calling.
Explain Aktion T4 the killing of mentally and physically handicapped German citizens.
Tell us about the 1000s killed during the Warsaw Rising.
It happened in Srebriniza (sorry not sure of the spelling) not all that long ago when all the men and older boys were rounded up under the noses of UN peacekeepers and massacred.
Warning, you are a self confessed coward as well too stupid to understand proper historical method which depends on real evidence, not the denial of incontrovertible evidence.
I was in Auswitz and in Prague where I saw the rolls of names of Jews recorded by name, address and date of birth, all exterminated by your Nazi heros.
I think it’s good this guy has the freedom to express his holocaust denial. It also shows what a douche he really is. It is a sad fact that there are many like him.
Guys, it’s pointless trying to reason with a holocaust denier. Of course, he may also be just a huge troll looking for a reaction.
“warning” your fascist racist comments are repulsive.
It must annoy you that Nazi racial policy did not consider the Irish to be Aryan.
And that Hitler never invaded this country.
I’ll tell you where the evidence is coming from shall I? It’s coming from people like my father and my aunt who survived Belsen concentration camp. It is not however, coming from my grandfather, who died in ravensbruck ( I say died and not gassed, as while it is possible that he was gassed I can not prove it). It is not coming from my grandmother or uncle who both died in Belsen and it is not coming from my other aunt, who’s tiny infant body was thrown over a wall by a nazi guard.
I’m just home from The National Holocaust memorial in Dublin where I met a 93 year old ex solider who entered Belsen in the days after the liberation. Maybe he could help answer some of your questions.
No go away, people like you are not worth the time it takes to reply to!
You are avoiding the questions because you have not got a clue what you are being asked. The simple answers to the questions do not require reference to hatred or racism. The points I raised are very credible as they involve the mass slaughter of men women and children who were not of a certain religious persuasion, I find the fact that you have dodged the question as evidence of your shallow knowledge of the period.
I’m fascinated by your extraordinary claim of 150,000 Jews serving in the Whermact. What’s your evidence? What exact time period are you talking about – early 30′s. Maybe you’re confused with the Kaisers army?
Hitler also said things to a certain Mr. Chamberlain. Those assurances turned out not to be true…
“Warning” a defender of Hitler and incapable of response to Sean J. Troy or to Emma Dobbyn.
You are neo Nazi, an admirer of Hitler, a holocaust denier and rotten to the essence of your toxic National Socialist brain.
“”Warning” is a defender of Hitler and his brain is infected with the toxic evil of National Socialism. Yes, fir certain he is a Hitler admirer and and seduced by Nazism. What an evil individual. Fortunately his kind are not too common.
Anthony,
A defender of Hitler? Where? A person giving a factual account of history doesn’t mean what you accuse, you have yet to show where I “denied” the holocaust. We have every right to question all of history. Truth does not need laws or censorship, you were the lad who wants me banned, for doing something I have not even done, is this how the Nuremburg trials were conducted?
“warning” you are not here to “question”, you are here to cynically deny the existence of the Holocaust for your fascist and racist ends
You are farcical to think Hitler would not have conquered Ireland after he conquered Britain. Laughable. Invitation from Dev? Lols.
Hitler would have invaded us and sent all Irish homosexuals, Jews, travellers, mentally ill, liberals, trade unionists off to the gas chambers.
Any he could well have used us non-Aryans as slave labour to construct the next phase of his Atlantic Wall.
You are a repulsive pathetic Neo Nazi.
Wow, just wow. ‘Mischlinge’ are not Jews you fool. The title of that book is completely misleading. The Nazi racial laws may define them as Jewish but they are self evidently ridiculous – or maybe not according to you.
My grandmother was Jewish, that does not make me Jewish, any more than if I was in the Whermacht it would make me a Jewish Whermacht soldat.
There are a lot nuts on the journal comment section but you just about top the lot! I’ll leave you to your ranting.
You are avoiding answering because you are clueless as to the facts surrounding the period 1933-45. There is no case of people being banned for posting proper evidence. I concede that people were banned for posting rubbishy racially inspired conspiracy nonsense, as for scientific based fact, now you are just getting ridiculous. Who is your favourite Nazi killer then is it Dr.Oskar Paul Dirlewanger the convicted paedophile, necrophilia loving sadist or do you prefer the nerdy failed chicken farmer Heinrich Himmler, maybe the brutal Josef Kramer or Rudolf Hoess or on the female side of the house Irma Grese or Therese Brandl . Go on make your case for these vile brutal murderers, a tiny sample of the personnel of a regime you so admire.
Warning, you are a devotee of Hitler, you adore his sick and evil ideology and you seek to defend Hitler as well as to deny the Holocaust.
I call you for what you are.
You are a sick, twisted and evil neo Nazi.
I challenge TheJournal.ie to ban me if it disagrees with me.
Typical meaningless rubbish, still no answer to the questions you were asked.
Comment I was replying to disappeared
Its a Warning beacon’ that should be put over you!
‘Truth does not need laws or censorship to protect it’ well in the case of the truths you believe in it’s definitely needed!
So nice of you to let someone state ‘emotional points if they wish’, especially when they are talking about members of their family that were killed by nazis. You are deluded.
comment i was replying to was deleted too
Good nearly all of his comments need to be deleted
I have read and reread your comment and to be honest I can’t really offer a reply. It is hard to reply to someone who speaks a whole lot of nothing. Yes it’s true, 100% undeniable fact that SS guards were executed. I won’t argue that fact, question it, or deny it. Unlike you I can tell the difference between fact and opinion. I believe you are entitled to your opinion, but it is only that. Opinion. The holocaust happened. That is a fact. I hope this reply was to your satisfaction and free from emotion?
I won’t be reading or replying to any more of your comments, I’ve given you enough air time. And while you are entitled to your opinion I have no interest in hearing it.
Best wishes.
And aren’t you cynically about all these articles using any propaganda opportunity to stuff your agenda onto an unsuspecting Ireland. If Hitler wanted to invade Ireland he would easily have done it, not to mention the benefits of the backdoor trouble it would have caused Britain as well as stopping them using Northern Ireland as a staging post for UK and US troops. It was Britain who declared war on Germany and started bombing civvy areas first, making UK a legitimate target. Some more facts rather then throwing insults about too which does not win the argument for me at all.
It’s not illegal in Ireland so you can use your real name here, but of course you know what your saying is lies and you display a cowardly streak in not having the balls to put your name to your views. You are beneath contempt. Did you get banned under your other false name “aryan light” .
@Justin They answered that red-herring perfectly, there are EU laws, if they go to several EU countries, they will be jailed and fined. As we can see, they were proven correct, deleted and banned on the journal for asking a question, and you want them to come out and let little cowards like your paranoid self (“aryan lives”) ruin their families etc like some lynch mob? Shows though how worried you are about their comments. Now there’s true cowardice. The wingnut left have had decades of rigging the system and popular sentiment round to a their agenda and still you numpties proclaim how brave you are, while having the whole system and media on your side, how safe for you, what a joke. You stomp on any dissent or questions to your views, very brave. Real bravery are those who ask the awkward questions, that sticks to truth no matter how unpopular. We have seen that people have been hunted by moral cowards like yourself who try to get them fired and ruin their families and lives. Grow a spine and stand against EU wide laws. Doubt we’ll be seeing you do that anytime soon. Accusing people of being various peopls makes you look more raving then you already are. Attacking people who have been banned isn’t too heroic either.
“Stasi”.. denigrating murdered men, women and children is not brave. It is as low as you can go. Pathetic cowardice.
PS Hitler could have invaded Ireland if he wanted to??!
Your farcical knowledge of history has descended even further. Truly mindblowing to believe he could have bypassed Britain without committing military suicide. Delusional. Farcical. Laughable.
And you see benefits of a Nazi invasion of this country? Surprise surprise..
JournalStasi and Warning Beaconsof Eire are different names for the same suck and evil individual who propagandises Nazi ideology and defence of Hitler.
This will tell you all that you need to know.
So your just a coward who doesn’t have the courage of your convictions, glad you agree. Many brave people are happy to go to prison for their beliefs. You are just happy in you mummies garage. Typical!
I got the tour of Auschwitz. My hangover went as soon as I walked in the gates. The scariest and most surreal place I ever was.
What really struck me about Auschwitz was the number of people who were not Jewish who perished and suffered there. Whilst anti semiticism was undoubtedly at the core of Nazi ideology, we must not forget the other victims.
There were a lot of Soviet POWs.
And gypsies, homosexuals, communists, socialists and the mentally incapacitated.
Anthony Diarmud Emma Jurgen and Co. Thanks. That was a scary exchange on this thread. It’s actually very unsettling to come face to face so to speak with a denier. I’m not sure I could have taken him on without resorting to intense anger and insults.Thank you again.
Catherine, I regret to say that I intentionally insulted him. Denying the holocaust is one of the worst evils and attempts to abuse freedom of expression.
My stronger comments have been deleted by the Journal.ie. I notice that Warning was unable to respond to Emma Dobbyn and Sean J. Troy amongst others.
I am still furious.
The irony is that Warning actually underlined the risk expressed by Mr. Kleinman. I accept Mr. Kleinman’s testimony.
The evil of Nazism must be resisted by all means possible. Although I agree with pacifism, sometimes there are exceptions in the prevention of nascent evil.
I deserve no thanks because of my angry reaction.
You underestimate yourself. Your very natural reaction was well tempered with refuting his claims. In fact you actually shut down some of the avenues he was trying to head down. The strong reactions from both yourself and Diarmud did more to halt his spew than fear of the journal. So yes you do deserve my thanks.
I’m confused. I’ve read Sean Troy’s comments and it didn’t appear that he was denying that the Holocaust took place or that he was making any other comment that could be regarded as pro-Nazi.
It wasn’t Sean. It was another commenter. The comments have since been deleted thankfully.
@Sean apologies if my comment leads anyone to think you were the denier. You most certainly weren’t.
Thanks for the clarification Catherine.
Little bit too cosy and smug by Catherine and co. for my liking, I like to hear what people have to say, crazy or not. I like to find things out myself and make my own mind up, thank you very much.
Off you go no one is stopping you and we certainly weren’t. It was the journal who deleted the comments not us. You know if you have doubts that the Holocaust took place then that’s definitely your problem but it’s not one we have to share.
“Stasi”… you like to support Neo Nazi views under the guise of “just asking questions”.
Your cynicism is transparent to all.
JournalStasi / WarningBeaconsof Eire
This is the only reply to your evil lies.
No problem Catherine. I do think it’s important that everybody is allowed to have a platform. I don’t think they deserve to have respect though. You should let people say what they want so that you can rip them apart for their ignorance and stupidity. Make no mistake, they are idiots. So what’s the harm in showing them up?
@cath “deniers” people allowed to ask questions it is called free speech , and by the way there are many unanswered questions about the so-called “holocaust” I am not saying it did not happen , but there are many disturbing questions…..
In, you try to call into question fully verified historical fact based not on fact but on toxic imaginations.
BJ, do you deny the personal testimony of Mr. Kleinman, the subject of the article under discussion?
I would have liked to have known what the things he remarked as being bad things happening again were?
That said I visited Auschwitz a few years back and found it to be quite a sombre experience. It was blanketed in snow and thankfully I could only imagine what it may have been like to be imprisoned in such conditions.
At the time the Eurozone crisis was at it’s peak, breaks in the union etc and I thought that it would have been a very good idea to bring every EU leader to have a walk around Auschwitz and take a moment to see, maybe even understand how we have developed into the continent/union we have today.
We are much more than banks, financial systems and money. We easily forget.
That’s my thoughts anyway
It seems that the Jews outside Israel are being made to paying the price for the extreme aggression of that vicious state. I think this is sad but true. The globalisation of terror grows apace.
well if they didn’t use their political,finacial and media clout to assist the israelies maybe people would have more sympathy for them.
But Jews have been disliked in of a lot of countries for 100′s of years even before Israel was created. The holocaust happened before Israel’s creation. How do you explain that?
Yes, there were pogroms even in Roman times, for goodness sake! One of the Emperors got fed up with the Jewish community, which lived in the Trans-Tiber district, and expelled all of them from Rome.
And then there were the dreadful pogroms that took place regularly in Russia, a particularly bad one being in the 19th Century.
@Phil See Facts on Gaza Mudar Zahran
Mudar Zahran is a Palestinian writer and academic from Jordan, who now resides in the UK as a political refugee.
“If Hamas does not like you for any reason all they have to do now is say you are a Mossad agent and kill you.” — A., a Fatah member in Gaza.
“Hamas wanted us butchered so it could win the media war against Israel showing our dead children on TV and then get money from Qatar.” — T., former Hamas Ministry officer.
“They would fire rockets and then run away quickly, leaving us to face Israeli bombs for what they did.” — D., Gazan journalist.
“Hamas imposed a curfew: anyone walking out in the street was shot. That way people had to stay in their homes, even if they were about to get bombed. Hamas held the whole Gazan population as a human shield.” — K., graduate student
“The Israeli army allows supplies to come in and Hamas steals them. It seems even the Israelis care for us more than Hamas.” — E., first-aid volunteer.
“We are under Hamas occupation, and if you ask most of us, we would rather be under Israeli occupation… We miss the days when we were able to work inside Israel and make good money. We miss the security and calm Israel provided when it was here.” — S., graduate of an American university, former Hamas sympathizer.
While the world’s media has been blaming Israel for the death of Gazan civilians during Operation Protective Edge, this correspondent decided to speak with Gazans themselves to hear what they had to say.
BTW Mudar’s is oft quoted as saying to Western Press-”You are a bunch of hypocrites! You’re not interested in the welfare of Palestinians! You just want to vilify Israel and the Jews”.
-And I might add so are a few commentators on The Journal…..
See full Article. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes
Holocaust Day 27th January National Famine Memorial Day still no announcement from the Government for the time, date or location for 2015 Ulster NFMD almost into February.
This would not be unacceptable to the Jewish people. Why is it allowed by the Irish people.
The Holocaust should never be forgotten.
But, you are correct, we in Ireland have had our own Holocaust too. Genocide and mass starvation have happened many times in Irish history, throughout several centuries.
But the worst was the 18th century Great Famine. We lost up to half of our population through starvation, disease or emigration during just five years.
The Jewish people remember, respect and commemorate their dead – and rightly so. Why are we in Ireland so determined to forget OUR Holocaust?
A National Famine Memorial day is long overdue.
Well said. While the holocaust was Horrific and it should not be forgotten. We had our own holocaust, and we seem very uncomfortable with it as a people why??. Furthermore, don’t forget Stalin he killed many more estimated 22 million. Arguably, worse than Hitler. Two evil evil men who no doubt are rotting in hell.
Yet there is still wars and ethnic cleansing still happening in the world today?
http://rt.com/news/226079-ukraine-foreign-military-mariupol/
“Armed people in uniform speaking fluent English with no accent have been spotted in Mariupol in the aftermath of the rocket hit, fuelling allegations that foreign private military contractors are serving among Ukrainian troops.”
Stalin actually helped push back germany in ww2.
RT news is possibly the worst source you could have chosen.
RT are as bias as any other news station is but nothing like RTE, Sky or the BBC, so it is always good to have a few different sources to fall back on as well. The following was kept quiet too?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0122/674778-labour-charter/
RT is not bad at all especially when you see FOX News, what is that bunch of eejits about?
But according to the Open University Stalin might have been poisoned by his own Doctor who was Jewish due to Stalin before his death was building and planning Concentration Camps in Russia for to put Jews into, as believed in order to go after their wealth as little as it was. As if Stalin didn’t like someone he sent them to Siberia or just got them shot but these were camps like the Nazis had, it is estimated that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of over a 100 million people and he killed off tribes of people including gypsies. So no way is he anyone’s hero, he even killed his own wife?
I think you’ll find Uncle Joe had plans to invade Europe, and Germany ironically put a spanner in that.
Oh grow up RT, Putin’s pocket they should be called
No not bias, just pure Putin propaganda, if you believe it you’re a fool
@smkenzie et al- And we should not forget the 2million Armenians butchered by the Ottoman Turks;esp.,since Turkey is trying to enter the EEC and they stubbornly continue to refuse to admit the massacres of the Armenians.
What is FOX News, RTE, BBC, ABC, EURONEWS, they are all sickeningly bias but not as bad as RT, IT IS VILE HOW BIAS THESE STATIONS ARE.
Frank? Glen? The usual anti Israel crowd to somehow link rising anti semitism to the great satan…
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Israels holocaust trump card is wearing out..
The true extent of their relentlessness stone hatchet mad brutality was exposed last summer in Gaza with the slaughter of 500+babies and 1600 civilians.
The Zionist regime are a yellow belied, they get America to fight their dirty wars in the Middle East (America ends up hiring terrorists to do its dirty work) They also have the audacity to try and blackmail GAZA into dropping war crime charges.
No doubt Christians living for the fear of their lives in Iraq and Syria would refer this Zio / Western regime as the Great Satan for the damage that is doing wiping out their civilizations. No other regime since that of the Romans has caused so much damage to Christianity in the middle East than what we are witnessing to day from US / ZIO terrorists.
Right, so we’re going to talk about the resurgence of antisemitism without mentioning that the perpetrators are disproportionately of a certain religious persuasion. I see.
Not sure that’s entirely the case Emily – not many brown faces marching in Dresden recently, or was Christianity the religious persuasion you had in mind?
Yep, pretty much.
Paul C, I am no great fan of Israeli policy in Palestine and Gaza, throughout the whole area, as it happens: but to compare what happened during the Holocaust to what is happening there today is just beyond reason and an abuse of an almost unique tragedy.
are the west not setting up the muslims for the next holocaust
Actually it will most likely be Islamofascist ISIS types who attempt to carry out the next Holocaust.
Will you f.. OFF, that is not correct an number of white paedophiles were involved in Rotherham. Your EDL, trot on nazis boy.
Gerry o Donell_ The next holocaust will not be that of Jews..
It will be of those that resist this coming Zi0nist fascist world order. Christians, those like myself and others that will refuse to get computer chipped like cats and dogs,
Gaza was a prelude to the brutality of this untouchable regime that has already surpassed the NAZIS in global colonization. Hollywood and the Western Mainstream Media are the propaganda tools of this fascist regime.
http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/g11.jpg
Listen mate, I know fully what happened in Rotherham. Your just spreading propaganda and lies. You are obviously right wing and denying the holocaust ever happened, good luck you odious little man. Most child abusers are white, that is an indisputable fact. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/26/rotherham-child-sex-exploitation-capital
The system failed those kids because they were poor and thus they didn’t want to deal with it. That is the real crime. But no fascists like you jump on the bandwagon to tar a whole race of people.
Scipio, trivialising the Holocaust for your own Pro-Israeli agenda is disgusting.
Scipio_It is the Zi0nist regime themselves that are creating these head hacking terrorist through their Middle eastern buddies Saudi Arabia and also the United States. They are only themselves to blame for all this blow back.
Tell me this also why don’t these head hacking ISIS / Moderate rebel terrorists carry out atrocities in Israel?
Answer to that one is simple…. One would NEVER bite the hand that feeds it
It is fact that even the state and Jack Straw had to acknowledge the Rotherham scandal was a ethnic problem within the pakistani community, quit talking about denying stuff, when you are denying crimes from one ethnic group on another.
What allowed the Holocaust to happen was our propensity to stereotype, generalise and victimise recognised groups which then become victims in order to satisfy psychopathic tendencies in deranged individuals. Hitler was a prime example but unfortunately not the only one as similar tendencies exist today as political groups seek power.
Austerity and poverty, unemployment and poverty, social exclusion and alienation all combine to produce the conditions in which neo Nazi ideology thrives. Fascism and extreme right are shades of each other.
Today’s Sunday Observer contained many insightful articles on how inequality and deprivation are seeding extreme right wing ideology.
Fortunately, many look to the left and have not given up hope of a more egalitarian society.
Anthony,
Typical example of how the “holocaust” and the buzz word nazi are used today to silence opposition of Europeans to oppose multiculturalism and mass immigration, this is the sole purpose of mentioning these topics by the open borders advocates.
You are a holocaust denier. You are a worthless piece of humanity.
Anthony,
Do you deny the right of any person to enquire, question any event in history? Do you deny their right to publish facts which are contrary to any event in history as generally published by mainstream media? Do you “deny” those rights of people to present any fact no matter how upsetting which contradict a mainstream accepted view, views which usually when to do with power and victors in war are to do with consolidating their power, mainstream views which can be dangerously wrong such as Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, used to trick public opinion into going to war and butchering 1 million Iraqi men, women and children.
I deny your right to lie about something so important. There are limits to freedom of expression.
Only The Journal would leave your lying comments posted up.
I am reporting your comments.
“warning” your cynical delusional fascist rantings are pathetic.
Hitler may well have treated the Irish like he treated the Slavs.. subhuman non-Aryans worthy only of slave labour.
It must hurt you that the Irish are not Aryan.
Typical. Ignore how Fascist and Nazis promised an egalitarian society with work for everyone and no more debt. The far Left always presents itself as the antithesis of Nazism – it’s probably the only way it can sell itself these days – when in reality they’re almost exactly the same.
Whinger
Can Anthony and lynch mob back up the accusations they make? They have stated they were reporting the person, whom as far as I could see, did not say anywhere any of the things they accuse him or her of, and they have been deleted and banned on foot of what I observed were lies. More journal, or is it just holocaust censorship?
You’re the same person. Fooling nobody.
Do you support Nazi racial policies and the murder of millions of Jews? Simple question.
Read this and understand the evil.
Israel has nukes so the Jews have nothing to worry about anywhere in the world. I don’t think people that are sane have a problem with Jews or Judaism its the crack pot Zionists who actually persecute rabbis or moderate Jews who practice the peaceful faith that people have a problem with. Riddle me this who financed Hitlers war against the European Jews ..Wall street and by banks owned by ultra rich wing Zionists.
Eccentric, solipsistic and quite perversely wrong.
Nukes didn’t do much to help the Jews of Paris, Toulouse or Belgium recently.
Wall St crashed in 1929. They didn’t do anything to help nazi Germany. At least read one history book before making stuff up.
what’s a wing Zionist?
Tim Stephen Hendy_what’s a wing Zionist?
The breed of people that carried out war crimes on GAZA, the same breed infiltrate US Government, control Global banking (Rothschild) , own Corporate Mainstream Media, Hollywood etc. These are the ones that are pushing for a fascist One World Order even if it will cost another World War.
It doesn’t matter how many times I hear stories about the holocaust, they never fail to hit home hard. To think that in a matter of hours he lost 7 members of his family….
I’ve read many media stories this past 2 weeks and it all about protecting the Jewish communites from threats.
These media reports are alarmist and many Jewish people have said that it has just created a culture of fear that does not exist.
There is absolutely no mention of in the media of the attacks on mosques that is going on, which is very disconcerting as it is similar to the attacks on synagogues in 1930s Germany.Twenty-six mosques around France have been subject to attack by firebombs, gunfire, pig heads, and grenades as Muslims are targeted with violence in the wake of the Paris attacks.https://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2015/01/17/france-26-mosques-attacked-with-grenades-firebombs-gunfire-and-pig-heads-since-the-muslim-massacre-in-paris/
Well said Brian. Unfortunately, it does not fit comfortably within certain sections of the media. 17 Palestinians journalist were murdered by the Israelis last year. Where is your freedom of expression there.
And yet while acts of vandalism are bad and must be condemned, hardly any (if any) Muslims have actually been hurt have they? They’re 10% of the population of France now, a far higher percentage in major cities. There are a lot fewer French Jews and most attacks on them are from within the 10%, so you’ll have to forgive us for worrying more about a smaller, more vulnerable minority than a larger less vulnerable one.
Leslie Kleinmann is right to warn us of the resurgence of neo Nazism. It is even visible in the comments of Warning Beaconsof Eire and those comments are tolerated by The Journal.ie
But holocaust deniers are few and far between, and relatively harmless. What about the many more commenters who’ve condoned violence against others because “it’s Israel’s fault really” and all the other whataboutery?
What comments were they Anthony? Stamp it out and it grows, if you want to defeat it, you open it all up and let everyone see, if it is crap, then it dies.
Holocaust denial is repulsive Neo Nazi propaganda.
WarningBeacons of Evil is JournalStasi.
I have kept print outs of your comments and have referred them to An Garda Siochana. Explain yourself to them.
@Tim
Holocaust deniers are far from harmless.
The holocaust and the whole Nazi regime are the worst chapter in German history and should never ever be forgotten lest it happen again.
And as a German myself, I see the rise of pegida in Dresden and other cities with worry.
Yes nasty things, debt slavery to faceless bondholders
He can see a lot of nasty thing around israeli. If he cares to look.
This man speaks the truth. Listen
Indeed he does speak the truth and we should listen.
There should be no freedom of expression for Nazi propaganda or for holocaust deniers. The dangers are too great. Too many lives placed at stake if neo Nazis are permitted to have a public platform.
I think you are helping it grow, the more you put locks around something, the more people want to know why they can’t investigate it, you provoke people into wanting to know more. Tansparency is never evil, hiding sh*t is.
Denigrating the memory of millions of murdered men, women and children is evil.
Transparency is only transparency if it is truthful. JS, you tell lies under different names and you come in here to preach evil.
This is the truth and this is transparency.
Why do they say anti Semitism is on the rise? Why not call a spade a spade and say its the muslims who hate the Jews and are taking over Europe !
Ian Treacy_ Those that control the worlds propaganda mediums IE the Mainstream Media, Hollywood, the banks and those that steer whole Governments into submission are the ones that are taking over Europe and the World for that matter and they are certainly not Muslim.
Here is a cartoon.. http://www.vigrid.net/bilder/dees/clutches_dees.jpg
Lmao it must be true theirs a cartoon lol
Taking over Europe? What does that even mean? Are they the heads of States? Heads of Banks? Heads of companies? If not, they arent taking over anything.
Is the media responsible for muslims taking over Europe frank ? Get a grip
This is confusing as they say 11 million in these camps were killed, then another says 17 and even another states 15 to 20 million. The fact is that in these camps there were 25 category of prisoners and all were treated with evil and each had their own badge, over 6 million Jews were killed and the other categories were non German nationals, Communists, gays etc etc but the highest number were Jews although some say 10 million Slavs, “Historian Rudolph Rummel estimates the number of Slav civilians and POWs murdered by the Nazis at 10,547,000.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Extermination_camps_2
Yet the Ukraine Government supports are celebrating Ukraine Nazi sympathisers even paramilitary groups using nazi symbols are ethnically cleansing Eastern Ukraine as it looks. So the Nazis are not dead, just waiting in the background???
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
Muslim schools deny the holocaust. It is even happening in the UK.
It is wrong to deny historical facts even if they are decades old. But Europe is denying what is happening right now i.e. the ghettoisation and persecution of Muslims in large parts of Europe. They are now doing to the Muslims exactly what they did to the Jews for centuries.
We actually have the benefit of hindsight now, surely we wouldn’t let such persecution happen again
We’ve let millions of members of a religion traditionally hostile to Jews live in Europe within which grouping are many thousands of individuals prepared to inflict physical harm and death on Jews. We haven’t as much learnt from our antisemitism as we have in practical terms just hired someone else to do it.
We’ve????
Eh, I was not for it, I did not vote for it, most Europeans did not get a vote on it either, no most of that mad immigration policy was championed by Jewish people themselves, Irish case in point Ronit Lentin.
JournalStasi who is WarningBeaconsof Evil, you are an anti-Semite. You preach hate and you deny history. You are a mindless thug.
http://www.hrw.org/europecentral-asia/ukraine
http://truth-out.org/news/item/27808-western-media-turn-blind-eye-to-shameful-vote-at-un-on-nazism-by-us-canada-and-europe
The truth is people are not trying to stamp out Nazism and it is growing…
I don’t know if the author is unaware or just trying to be nice to a fellow minority, but he and his people are far more under threat from members of a particular religious grouping than from the few neo-Nazis left in Europe.
That said, the numbers of those complicit in the new antisemitism far outnumber the perpetrators and victims added together as can be seen from some of these comments. The irony that our consciousness of how minorities can be treated inhumanely if we are not vigilant causes us to ignore what happens when one minority victimises another is entirely lost on them.
What comments Tim? What did they say?
Anthony Lang, when you get up. Let us know who you are.
You’ve earned you pay yesterday, thats for sure.
I dont deny it happened. But get a little freaked out when I hear of geniune good people having questions about it and then to have a little screamer like Anthony Lang shouting you down, calling you names, lying and making up things that you never wrote, said or inferred.
No event in history ever needed a law to protect it. We can question any aspect of whether 20 million Russians were slaughtered. Same for Cambodians. Same for Irish. Same for Muslims. But if you dare have a question, just a question in your mind about the further above, even down to how this event in history was abke tobtake place – you’ll be on the receiving end of a little screaming name caller known as Anthony Lang.
Want to know who we should also be concerned about? The Anthony Langs of this world. A walking contraction if ever I saw one.
JB, read this and weep because this is the truth.
“Jason Bourne”, I checked you out.
As a matter of interest, did you read the deleted comment of Warning Beaconsof Eire?
As for your own outlook, I Googled and Binged your name and the Journal.ie. What extraordinary results!
I could fill many pages but many of your Comments defend those who “question” the holocaust, you defend Nazi concentration camp guards as merely following military orders and you oppose prosecutions of those involved in the death camps.
The trigger words which set you off are “Israel” “Jews”, “Holocaust” ” Nazi” and “Hitler”. A pattern emerges from your comments on The Journal.ie.
I’m not surprised that you would launch such a highly personalised attach on me. I’ve no doubt that you would do much worse if given the opportunity.
There have been many other genocides and massacres but that should not stop us accepting that the holocaust is a well documented and soundly evidenced fact and that the Nazis and Hitler were responsible for an intentional policy of extermination of the physically and mentally disadvantaged, the Romany gypsies homosexual people, communists, socialists, intellectuals and those who dared question Hitler’s fascism.
I se my name and I don’t hide behind a pseudonym.
The Europeans over centuries created an atmosphere of hate against the Jews right from the English and William Shakespear (Shylock) to the Russians and all in between which permitted the Holocaust to happen. Then exported them to Palestine and settled them on someone elses land and has created a permanent war zone on the helpless populace. Now they are doing the same to the Muslims in Europe only hope there is no Hitler that will spring up in the near future, yes what the author is saying is right but the target this time around is the Muslim community.
I am deeply sympathetic for anyone being a victim of the holocaust. It mystifies me, angers me that they know full well just how terrible it is and yet, they are carrying out one themselves on their neighbours.
How can this be justified?
yes SF he is talking about you
No offence to that man , but Muslims are now the target of attacks aswell because of a few……..let me expand, when Israel are murdering men, women and children with highly sophisticated weapons, the world does not blame all Jews so people should not blame Muslims for the actions of a few……
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