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Photos: Thousands take to the streets for Pride parade

It’s the 30th anniversary of the Dublin Pride parade.

(Photo: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland)

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE have taken to the streets today for the annual Pride parade in Dublin city centre.

This year is the 30th anniversary of the parade, and marks the end of a fortnight of events to mark LGBT rights. Organisers say the event is the second largest parade in Ireland, behind the Patrick’s Day event.

The parade began at the Gardens of Remembrance on Parnell Square and wound its way to Merrion Square.

However the parade was disrupted on O’Connell Street shortly after it began this afternoon when a small number of protesters stood in front of a Labour bus which was taking part in the parade and stopped it from going any further. The protest, which is believed to have been an anti-property tax and anti-government protest, lasted around ten minutes.

The Pride events began in Dublin more than a decade after the gay pride movement originally began as a result of the Stonewall riots in New York in 1969. Instead, Ireland saw smaller groups calling for rights for gay people, including the abolition of the controversial Victorian law which criminalised homosexual acts.

The Pride parade has its roots in a protest springing from a 1983 case in which a judge gave five men suspended sentences on manslaughter charges after the brutal murder of 31-year-old Aer Rianta workerDeclan Flynn in a Dublin park.  That year, a march was held from Dublin city centre to Fairview, where the attack took place, to protest against violence against gay men and women. The first Pride parade took place that summer.

The parade has increased in size and scale over the years. The parade Grand Marshal this year was Anna Grodzka, a transgender MP from the Polish parliament.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:04 PM

    Hopefully these folks who made the vaccine get all the praise they deserve when the time comes. They’ve worked their backsides off to pull this off in this short a time

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:15 PM

    @The God Of All Nerds: they’ll be praised via cold hard cash

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:16 PM

    @The God Of All Nerds: they will get money (expect some serious bonus pay outs in 2021) which is batter than praise

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:27 PM

    @The God Of All Nerds: its just using existing medicine, hence the fast track…

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:42 PM

    @Jack Johnson: Here was me thinking that we’d be out every evening at 8pm applauding them on the streets as payment. Shucks.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:05 PM

    @Mattress Dick: Yea. They should work for free, purely for the betterment of mankind…..like you do.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 8:45 PM

    @The God Of All Nerds: If it all works out and virtually ends this thing, they deserve a Nobel prize.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 9:46 PM

    @The God Of All Nerds: will ya stop. It was all trump. He did it all. Wonderful tremendous man. Lol

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:02 PM

    So which company will come out tomorrow with a vaccine at 95.5%

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:06 PM

    @Shaun Gallagher: or 95.25%

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:18 PM

    @Shaun Gallagher: don’t care bring it on

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:52 PM

    @Shaun Gallagher: Doesn’t matter, as long as its above 80% its excellent news

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:08 PM

    @Shaun Gallagher: bit of positivity ,we have enough negativity already,I’m delighted that vaccines are here ,hope I speak for the majority as some people thrive on the negativity ,let’s get back to underage sport etc again

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:52 PM

    @Shaun Gallagher: None Pfizer and Modena were always the front runners next batch around Jan/ Feb

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:14 PM

    @Ron: wohooo!!

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:02 PM

    Moderna will announce 96% effective tomorrow

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:07 PM

    @Anna Anna: Are you calling corruption here too, Anna?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:08 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: do you not have a sense of humour Joe?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:10 PM

    @Anna Anna: That’s your comedy routine?? Jaysis you’re hilarious

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:11 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: relax Joe

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:14 PM

    @Anna Anna: You’re not allowed to be funny Anna, remember you are the dangerous one around here speaking your mind and asking questions.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:20 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: Lot of anger, Joe. Maybe take a walk in the fresh air or pet a dog or something.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:21 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: relax Joe Anna doing a great job regarding them so called experts who are ruining this Country with thier lockdowns

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:27 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: “I’m just following orders”. Everyone who’s aware of history knows exactly what kind of person that describes.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:28 PM

    @JedBartlett: There’s a difference between anger and contempt. I loathe the people objecting to safety measures and making the problem worse. I don’t care about the stupid arguments you all make. There’s never anything new or intelligent in them. They had people like that during the Spanish flu too. Unfortunately, they’re a sad fact of life but that doesn’t mean they’re free to spread their bile online every single day without ever being challenged

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:29 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: “Get back to your public service of trying to undermine the health experts.”

    Yes, it’s common knowledge that the Journal comments section is prime bed time reading for NPHET.
    How else would they know what’s going on?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:30 PM

    @Anna Anna: wouldn’t be too keen to try Moderna vaccine, never got anything passed.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:31 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: “They had people like that during the Spanish flu too.”

    What was it like back then Joe? Did you get it?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:44 PM

    @Will: Good job showing you don’t know the difference between “they” and “we”

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:54 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: I think you need to go back and read it again Joe old buddy. Time for your midday nap I think.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:57 PM

    @Will: I can read. You quoted what I said (“they”) and asked your clever question as though I had said “we”. I mean I’m not denying the hilarity of your joke (to certain people), I’m just saying your reading comprehension is terrible.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:10 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: Yes Joe, you said ‘they had people like that blah, blah, blah’ and I thought to myself, how does Joe know what ‘they’ had back then. That’s when I flippantly came up with the idea for the joke but God almighty, what a waste of time, any humour seems wasted on you.
    You are one joyless old goat.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:10 PM

    @LD: Anna’s an anti-vaxxer. Her agenda is to discredit medical science to the point where people distrust public health advice around vaccination. Yea, she and her loon squad kind are dangerous.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:12 PM

    @Will: Nice. Jokes are even funnier when you explain them. I swear

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:16 PM

    @Will: While we’re at it, you clearly don’t know what ‘undermine’ means either. Why are you commenting on news articles that you can’t really read?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:22 PM

    @Will: The loon squad bile isn’t intended to be read by NPHET. It’s designed to sow seeds of doubt in the publics minds regarding public health advice, particularly as it relates to vaccination programs. They don’t convince many, but even if it convinces one parent to put their child in danger by not protecting them against preventable childhood diseases, that’s a win for them.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:26 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: How can you challenge someone when you “dont care about the stupid arguments” they make. If you dont know their argument then you cannot challenge it. Also would you do yourself a favour and just listen to yourself and take a xanax.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:34 PM

    @Tommy Roche: your welcome to your opinion Tommy, I’ll make my own mind up about what’s dangerous, thanks

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:36 PM

    @Ruairi Colton: Thanks for the concern re the Xanax recommendation. Unfortunately it won’t do much about the people above and the point(?) they’re trying to make.
    I’ve seen all the arguments and while some of them are worthwhile, the overall winner is the virus we can’t distribute the vaccines for yet if we take the advice in their conclusions.
    I strongly believe these people are making the problem worse so you’ll have to excuse me if I politely decline the Xanax offer, appreciated as it is.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:37 PM

    @LD: You’re free to do that, but you’re not free to spread falsehoods.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:38 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: You’re harsh, aggressive and cruel in the face of pretty passive comments by Anna. You are demonstrating contempt because she posts facts that don’t suit your narrative. I don’t condone everything she posts but people imposing their paranoia upon her and making her a scapegoat like Joe and Tommy worry me more.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:43 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: again Joe I’ll decide what I’m free to do and say and you can equally do the same. Move beyond a fear of difference, learn to listen, and if you disagree express your challenge.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:47 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: And you keep coming back with nonsense. I wasn’t commenting on the article, I was replying to your angry, irrational posts, trying to lighten the mood if you will. I think Ruairi’s on to something Joe. Ring the bell for the nurse there and ask for a Xanax or a hot chocolate or something. You’ll be a quivering mess by lights out.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:49 PM

    @Tommy Roche: ‘Loon squad’? Name calling is a good way of making people fall on your side of the argument. Most people left that behind in national school. While the ‘loon squad’, as you call them, are dangerous, the Covid zealots are equally so.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:53 PM

    @LD: And that is your absolute right. Nothing stopping anyone from freeloading on the near herd immunity built up in this State by responsible parents vaccinating their children against many preventable childhood diseases.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:54 PM

    @EnKy: Cruel? Where? The comedy routine thing?? Personally I believe telling vulnerable people that their lives aren’t worth the stress of a lockdown to the rest of us is beyond cruel.
    We don’t even know for sure who is and isn’t vulnerable to it. Yet people are attacking the health service who are trying to steer us through this awful. I resent you casting me as the aggressor here and if you can’t see any justification in that, there’s jnot much I can do about it and we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:55 PM

    *awful situation

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:56 PM

    @LD: What qualifies you to question medical experts and their advice ?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:58 PM

    @LD: That’s grand, man. You say what ya like. If I feel the need to respond to it, I’m sure you’ll respect that right too.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:07 PM

    @Cliff Burnby: As an equal human being I will question anything I choose for myself and will decide what advice, if any, I will follow. You can do exactly the same.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:15 PM

    @Cliff Burnby: Are you saying that experts are above being questioned? People should blindly follow everything they say? No critique or questioning allowed? There’s a name for that.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:57 PM

    @LD: So you’ve no relevant qualifications, I thought as much.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:01 PM

    @JedBartlett: No I’m saying you need to know something about the subject matter first, otherwise you just look like another anonymous conspiracy loon.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:11 PM

    @Cliff Burnby: Ah I see, you can’t think for yourself so you want ‘qualified’ people to tell you how to live your life, but that’s not even good enough, you also what said ‘qualified’ people to dictate my life too.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:24 PM

    @LD: I wouldn’t tell a pilot how to fly a plane, but I suppose you would as “you think for yourself”. People like you are the reason we are in this mess and are ironically prolonging the restrictions you so detest. You are being told what way to behave right now to protect others, stop being so selfish and arrogant, this isn’t about you.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:37 PM

    @LD: Cliff seems to be unaware of the doctors and scientists who argue against the lockdowns. They are also qualified people but he wouldn’t think twice either arguing against them and telling them he thinks they are wrong because NPHET said so. As confirmed yesterday even some NPHET members did not want to move to level 5

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:40 PM

    @Cliff Burnby: On the contrary I wouldn’t dream of telling a pilot how to fly, nor do I believe it is my place to tell anybody else what they should or shouldn’t do for themselves. But if I didn’t trust or feel comfortable flying in a plane, I wouldn’t be going in one regardless of what the pilot or aircraft engineer tells me. I made very clear in my posts that my message is to allow people to make their own decisions about what healthcare they choose to engage with. I didn’t make any reference to restrictions, but equally I make my own decisions about how I go about my business. I go to the beach 20km away because it is one of the healthiest things I can do for myself. And yes Cliff, my life is absolutely about me.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:41 PM

    @LD: When future generations ask what it was like trying to live with this virus, they will either feel pride and gratitude in the people who managed to suppress and defeat the virus or shame and resentment in the people who attacked everything the health experts said if they didn’t like it, dragging out and worsening the problem. That’s not even just an opinion. That much is obvious.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:44 PM

    @EnKy: Facts?….Paranoia?…Get a dictionary buddy. Look up impose while your at it. Well done Joe for challenging the dopes.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:01 PM

    @Ian Phillip Creaner: Thanks. It’s tiring but it has to be done.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:04 PM

    @Anna Anna: they are but a few Anna Anna and themselves admit that they are not qualified nor do they have anything like the knowledge and expertise at the disposal of NPHET. Lambert doesn’t even oppose lockdowns, he wants a broader living Covid strategy. A few dissenting voices who express a different opinion than a global body of scientists and subject matter experts. Only 24 signed the Covid Recovery white paper.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/prof-philip-nolan-criticises-prof-jack-lambert-over-coronavirus-article-1.4383265%3fmode=amp

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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:14 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: I do respect your challenge Joe I just don’t share your vision. I don’t attack anything. I make a personal choice to ignore rules I see are preposterous and have no bearing on anything, the 5km being one of them and as I’ve explained several times, in my eyes, there is no more qualified expert than myself, to decide what healthcare I should access.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:16 PM

    @GrumpyAulFella: Cliff however seems to think all dissenting opinions are just the views of trolls on social media. I’m just pointing out that there are qualified people who also are against harsh restrictions. And you’re linking an article from October. It has now been signed by 67 doctors and 100 scientists. And that number will continue to grow.
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/new-health-group-calls-for-nphet-to-be-disbanded-39748003.html

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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:35 PM

    @Anna Anna: The only approach that works for me now is to listen to myself, take my own expertise and carry on my life. There is really nothing much that I miss other than maybe having a party or the hugs from friends that don’t want to at the moment. My only concern is that mandatory vaccines or penalties for non compliance will be used to coerce people into taking it and that is why I’m so vocal about this issue. There are so many out there now eager for people’s freedom and liberty to be circumvented behind the usual cover of ‘safety’ Thank you for being a voice of courage, speaking what’s true for you when the mob would have you silenced, not easy in an environment of so much fear and hate.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:42 PM

    @LD: If you want to ignore the advice of people best placed to offer it (the health experts; not me), that is of course your prerogative. I don’t agree with it, and I think it’s dangerous, but that much is up to you. However, if you’re going to spread your philosophy in public forums, it is of course open to challenge and I appreciate that you understand that.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:01 PM

    @Anna Anna: that’s fine and 67, now, scientists and doctors, is a growing number but let’s not pretend that their views are representative of anything other than that of a small minority who acknowledge that they themselves are not subject matter experts. Amplifying their views to cast aspersions on NPHET and or Prof Holohan is disingenuous to say the least.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:03 PM

    @LD: thanks LD. At least Denmark have dropped their Epidemic Law which would have allowed for forced vaccinations. Those protests didn’t get much coverage over here

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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:55 PM

    @Anna Anna: Anna, I see your posts every day, I see you’re anti mask, anti vaccination, pretty much anti everything that most people find sensible. I think you’ll find you are very much in a small minority of people that share your opinions..

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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:56 PM

    @Anna Anna: it’s great that more people are willing to come forward and have the safety to trust their own instinct.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:59 PM

    @JusticeForJoe: I have to say although we don’t agree on this topic, you have in fairness been courteous enough to respond respectfully and not just go on the attack which is a lot more than could be said for many here. So thanks for that.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 6:05 PM

    I’m no expert and I don’t claim to be one but it takes a certain kind of arrogance to think you know more about viruses than the people who make it their life’s work to study them, regardless how many mistakes they might make in their work as scientists. Science is about learning from mistakes.
    We can learn from the mistakes we’ve seen already and progress from there. Eliminating opportunities for the virus to spread to other hosts is the only way to beat it until we have a vaccine. If you die from it, the last you’ll see of the people you love will be when you first learn you have it. Then you’ve got about 2-3 weeks of unpleasantness, to put it mildly.
    Please just remember everything that’s actually involved here. A lot of people are dying in this way.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 6:39 PM

    @LD: Likewise. Best of luck to ya

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    Nov 18th 2020, 6:40 PM

    @LD: If you have listened to yourself and come to the conclusion that “mandatory vaccines or penalties for non compliance will be used to coerce people into taking it”, then you are mistaken. It simply will not happen.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 7:23 PM

    @Tommy Roche: I haven’t come to any conclusion, but I certainly think that it is entirely possible. The rhetoric you yourself use would suggest to me that you would be in favour of such a move, is that the case?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 9:54 PM

    @LD: Would definitely not be in favour of such a move. I’m pro-vaccine in that I trust the science and the data which points points to vaccination doing vastly more good than harm. I think mandatory vaccination would achieve absolutely nothing and could in fact dissuade people from getting vaccinated. Plus, it would play directly into the hands of the anti-vax movement. I read your last few comments about your thoughts in relation to your own medical needs. I don’t understand your mindset, but I do respect your right to make your own decisions on personal medical interventions.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 10:12 PM

    @Cliff Burnby:

    Cliff… as a medical doctor and so-called ‘expert’ I have to object. I give people my medical opinion and make recommendations as to the treatments I belive to be the best for them every single day.
    It is entirely up to every individual as to whether they want to accept my advice or not. My patients are legitimately entitled to question how and why I came to a specific conclusion.

    The mark of an excellent doctor is that he / she can stand over cross examination of their diagnosis and treatment plan, and, futhermore, willing to revise an opinion in the face of new information.

    We are not infallible Gods to be obeyed.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 11:29 PM

    @Tommy Roche: I apologise then for casting that aspersion of you re mandatory vaccines. As I said to Joe earlier I have a lot of respect for anybody here who can listen to the other person’s view no matter how much disagreement there is on the topic. I equally respect your view to trust in the science even if I don’t fully share it. I think it is important to remember in all this that in the end we are all human and all on the one side ultimately. I do not think any topic of discussion should go unchallenged but I feel when there is respect and less mudslinging we get so much further. Thanks Tommy for a rare conciliatory interaction on here.

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    Nov 19th 2020, 12:22 AM

    @Alan Gee: Alan I respect what you say, but what we have on here are people that obviously have no medical knowledge whatsoever questioning the advice that experts have given to protect us all. It is pure arrogance and dangerous in the current situation we find ourselves in. I would have no problem asking any doctor why a course of action is being advised or why a drug has been prescribed but it would be for advice and information purposes only. I would not try to contradict you and claim you are incorrect on a subject I have not studied for years, that is what is happening here daily. Aside from that all these same people seem to think there is some type of grand conspiracy afoot to keep us locked down for reasons that they can never explain.

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    Nov 19th 2020, 12:48 AM

    @LD: You go on about respecting others and yet you have said on more than one occasion that you will ignore health guidelines in place to protect others. You don’t deserve respect, you deserve utter contempt. I’ve absolutely no doubt you wouldn’t express your selfish opinions without your anonymity either.

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    Nov 19th 2020, 1:04 AM

    @Cliff Burnby: I’ve said I will ignore guidelines that have no value such as the 5km rule. If you think me driving 20km to the beach is putting other people in danger that’s your opinion but I’ll respectfully disagree. As for the vaccines I have said I make a personal choice not to take any pharmaceutical products and that includes vaccines, again if you can’t respect my right to that position that is your choice. Your attempt to paint me as someone horrible and selfish just because I don’t agree with you is exactly the type of fear driven mudslinging I mentioned above, but as much as I defend my position I respect your right to view me in contempt. I highly doubt my identity would make any difference at all to this discussion.

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    Nov 19th 2020, 11:18 AM

    @LD: I don’t care whether you get a vaccine or not, just do the rest of us a favour and stay away from us. As for guidelines, it is not for you to decide what has “no value”. Too many people are doing that already and that is why we are in level 5 lockdown.
    And yes, I do believe you are only brave enough to state publicly that you will ignore guidelines and avoid vaccines because you are anonymous.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:43 PM

    I’m conflicted whether I should trust the world’s best scientists, or the lads without leaving certs in internet comment sections .. It’s a tough one

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:52 PM

    @Mark: the world best scientists don’t actually own Pfizer u do get that mark don’t u, they work for them, u will be telling us next Pfizer have no interest in profiting from this vaccine, they done it for the food of humanity :)

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:53 PM

    @Hugo Bugo: for the good of, typo my bad

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:54 PM

    @Hugo Bugo: sorry doctor Hugo, we didn’t all go to the university of life and the school of hard knocks

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:54 PM

    @Mark: or the ones that wont take it because they don’t know whats in it, but will stuff 5g of Coke up their nose on a Friday night

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:58 PM

    @Hugo Bugo: it’s possible to do it for both. Just as all Pharmaceuticals do it for all medicines.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:18 PM

    @Hugo Bugo: So Hugo do you expect everyone in Pfizer to work for free? The CEO and board, yeah maybe there’s an argument tehre, they probably have loads of cash already. The R&D scientists though? The product builders in teh factories? The cleaners? They should all work for nothing too you reckon. The guy who drives the truck carrying the product? The pharmacist? The girl behind the counter in the pharmacy?
    Of course they expect to profit from it, everyone in the whole chain expects to get paid for their work. It doesn’t mean there’s anything underhanded going on, it’s just the way the world works.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:14 PM

    A 95 percent vaccine for a virus with a 98 percent survival rate…..and no one’s asking any questions

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:20 PM

    @Sean D: All you’ve done is make it clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. Fair play for your honesty!

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:21 PM

    @Sean D: you are but this is the journal, and the big nioses hold the keys to the playpen.. Unless you play you are banished to politico…

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:30 PM

    @Sean D: you think *that’s* bad? Getting into your car and driving to the shops has a 99.999…% survival rate, and yet we wear seat belts and pay for airbags to be installed in our cars.

    Sheeple.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:45 PM

    @Sean D: Sorry, what?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:51 PM

    @Sean D: And if just 10% of Ireland caught a virus that kills 2%, we’d have 9,800 deaths, 38 times worse than our worst ever recorded flu epidemic.

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20172018season/Influenza%202017-2018%20Annual%20Summary_Final.pdf

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:12 PM

    @Sean D: everyone is making fun of you, but let me explain in a respectful manner.

    A vaccine with 95% efficacy means that of those who would catch the virus without it, only 1 in 20 will.

    Plus, people who don’t get infected don’t pass it on.

    It has nothing to do with the death rate.

    A vaccine that is 95% effective does not mean that it kills 5% of the participants. It means that only 5% of the participants get infected, instead of 100% with no vaccine.

    So if you have a room with 1000 people, none of whom are vaccinated, and some of whom are sick, you probably end up with 500 people infected, of whom one (on average) will die.

    If the 1000 people are vaccinated, only 25 will be infected.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:44 PM

    @David Jordan: David it doesn’t even kill near 2 % of cases. It’s much more like 0.3%

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    Nov 18th 2020, 8:49 PM

    @Sean D: Its to prevent it spreading to the 2% who could die from it, you mook.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:05 PM

    Here comes the experts that read one article and a YouTube video that claim “they dont need it”.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:12 PM

    @Sean Loughney: to be closely followed by all the fascists who will decide everybody needs it and want vaccines forced on people.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:24 PM

    @LD: what’s the negative of getting it?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:33 PM

    @Michael Bodycoach: I wonder if that’s what was said to the parents of children who were given the Pandemrix vaccine for Swine flu?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:35 PM

    @Michael Bodycoach: I’m not telling anybody not to get it, I believe it should be a completely private individual choice. I personally choose not to take any pharmaceutical products and that should remain my right.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:37 PM

    @LD: your attitude towards pharmaceutical products will change in an instant the moment you receive a bad diagnosis.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:37 PM

    @LD: bravo pal that shut him up

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:47 PM

    @Mark: I’m not going to be categorical about that hypothetical scenario but you are talking about yourself there Mark. With respect you know nothing about me or my reasons so don’t assume I’ll be doing something just because you do or would. My perspective on this life exists outside the confines of the societal idea that others (‘experts’) know better. I am comfortable in being my own expert, as do I believe you are your own expert too. Finding the safety to trust my own expertise of myself is a personal journey that is enlightening and will be ongoing.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:50 PM

    @LD: so you’ve never taken an antibiotic, or used a medicated cream for a rash? Jaysus you must look like Gollum

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:55 PM

    @LD:

    If you choose not to get the vaccine then you shouldn’t be able to avail of any services from the HSE. Simple as that.

    Some people with severe illnesses are unable to take vaccines. The more people there are hosting a virus, the more likely it is for new strains to emerge, which may need new vaccines.

    It’s not just a “personal issue”, vaccines are a societal issue. You don’t exist in a vacuum. People who resist vaccination should suffer consequences for doing so.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:56 PM

    @David Bourke:

    To clarify, I mean people who are healthy enough to get vaccinated. Obviously I’m not talking about people with severe illnesses (who are the people we should get vaccinated for, for herd immunity).

    Vaccination is the only way to eradicate illnesses. If ye lot had your way, measles would still be killing thousands.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:58 PM

    @Sean Loughney: No. We take the time to do our research. It is those that believe everything they are told & too lazy to do research that are just a bigger danger to the country as the shower that are running it.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:03 PM

    @Gere: I did my own research “… I Did = I watched. My own = someone else’s. Research = rubbish youtube video

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:18 PM

    @Mark: I was given antibiotics as a child and in my teens when I didn’t have that safety of my own mind. Nowadays I do not take any of them and if you go take a look at most people who are consumed by taking all manner of pharmaceutical you will find a much closer resemblance to Gollum than you will in me. In fact I have embraced my Gollum within and accepted my fears, and now I am allowing the space for my Smeagol to emerge and go beyond my fears. I have never felt healthier or better in my life.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:21 PM

    @LD: I hope you’ve not got the clap so

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:23 PM

    @Gere: Would you mind sharing the findings of your research so we can read it? I’m sure you must have written papers on your findings.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:25 PM

    @David Bourke: Well in my case that is not an issue, as I said I have no desire to avail of these medical services. But I do not believe somebody else should be denied access to a service because they make a personal choice to not go through an unnatural process injecting synthetic substances into their body. Should smokers be denied access because they choose not to quit? If you were speeding and crashed should you be denied access because you broke the speed laws?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:30 PM

    @Sean Loughney: versus the people who saw it on RTE who said they do need it?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:48 PM

    @Mark: No, all free of the clap thanks, I’m fussy who I fornicate with

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:32 PM

    @Steve: It takes a long time to research something. If you want to believe everything you are told that is your choice, but do not knock someone for being informed. There is a lot of NPHET’s on here today. Same people every day that knock anyone that goes against the new norm. If you know so much answer me this. Why did the manufacturers of the PCR test that is used in Ireland say it is not licensed as a diagnostic test, it is on their disclaimer. Correct me if I am wrong.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:57 PM

    @Gere: I’m not knocking anybody, I was just asking if you had published any of your research findings to date.
    I’m not NPHET nor do I know about the reliability of the PCR test BUT I do trust those that do and adhere to the government guidelines. We are doing no different to any other country in the world so why all the conspiracy theories?
    If you have better ides and/or solutions then please state what they are or do I have to wait for the results of your research?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:19 PM

    @Steve: You state that you know nothing about the reliability of the PCR test, but you trust those that do. You need to start thinking for your self & research as well, because that is why the country is in level 5 lockdown, too many just following. We are not animals to be locked down just because a small few say so. They have been asked time & time again to show evidence & all they can come up with is research from other countries. They need to show us the hard evidence. Did you never disagree with your parents.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:22 PM

    @Gere: Where did you see that the PCR was listed as a non-diagnostic test? Did someone tell you this and you took it at face value, or have you seen it yourself? If the latter, would you mind sharing the link with us?

    Thanks

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:04 PM

    Fantastic News

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:56 PM

    @Cian Nolan: In all liklihood most companies using this new delivery system will report similar results, which is great news for everyone. Some people report feeling sore after any jab, some will genuinely get a little rough after a jab BUT it’s very rare, despite what they may claim. I’ve seen people get nothing more than saline – water, and be bed bound. It’s in the mind.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:02 PM

    No serious side effects! Exactly what does that mean?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:02 PM

    @Dave Barrett: you no understand engrish?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:04 PM

    @Dave Barrett: it means that the vaccine doesn’t have any serious side effects.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:04 PM

    @Dave Barrett: It means that you have nothing to worry about or justify listening to your mad uncle on Facebook who swears Bill Gates is turning on the 5G to reset the economy.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:04 PM

    @Dave Barrett: No serious side effects to report yet. The swine flu vaccine side effects took between 2 and 20 months to appear. After which it was recalled

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:10 PM

    @Anna Anna: tell us more about polio, hep S and B, hpv, tetanus. Etc. What were their side effects that you know so much of

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:12 PM

    @Anna Anna: This is a different type of vaccine using different technology. Long term side effects from vaccines are rare, which is why they gain a lot of attention when they do. This is about risk management. They’ll give it to high risk groups first and monitor it continuously

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:15 PM

    @Anna Anna: I heard the virus itself has some pretty nasty side effects too, but if you have have a better way of getting us all out of this we’re all ear’s .

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:46 PM

    @Dave Barrett: Me fail English? That’s unpossible.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:47 PM

    @William King: I hear the virus passes through most people without them even knowing it. Why would anyone in very low risk categories want to take a vaccine?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:53 PM

    @RRJ Whelan: to help those in high risk categories. Have you been paying any attention for the past 9 months?

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:12 PM

    @Joey Navinski: People in high risk categories can help themselves by taking the vaccine. I’ll make health decisions for myself and my family and it won’t include taking a newly developed vaccine for a virus that now has an IFR similar to seasonal flu.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:15 PM

    @RRJ Whelan: because many in the most vulnerable category may not be able to take it. So the more people outside that group that take it, the less risk of the people who can’t take it getting covid.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:59 PM

    @NotMyIreland: wouldn’t it make more sense for researchers to aim their research at vulnerable people rather than healthy people then there wouldn’t be rejection of vaccines if they wanted them..people say vulnerable people can’t get vaccines yet doctors can pump them full of every other substance they decide to

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:45 PM

    @LangerDan: “It means that you have nothing to worry about or justify listening to your mad uncle on Facebook who swears Bill Gates is turning on the 5G to reset the economy.”

    Great, so how do you propose they sell that message to the parents of children that were injured from the Swine flu vaccine?

    “Ah go on, sure you have nothing to worry about….”

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:59 PM

    @Anna Anna: Proof that you can’t make everyone happy. I’ll let you know Anna Anna …

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:02 PM

    Promising news

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:03 PM

    Count me in!!

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:00 PM

    BACK HER INTA ME JACKSIE

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:02 PM

    Hook this content to my veins

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:07 PM

    @Young Politician: yes sir!

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:42 PM

    Fantastic news. At this stage the sooner its released the better, and we all get back to some sort of normality

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:48 PM

    “with no serious side effects” at the moment, but perhaps in time there will be a ‘DOH’ moment. Hope not but this appears rushed.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:50 PM

    @die Fussballmeister: I forgot exactly which year you won the Nobel prize again

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:00 PM

    @die Fussballmeister: You know what has proven serious side effects, Covid-19. People should get the vaccine.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:14 PM

    @Seymour Cup: You need to work on your grammarl. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:16 PM

    @Winston Smith: Well, in 2020 I purchased The Pandemic Century by Mark Honigsbaum and perhaps if I didn’t I would be as naive as you.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:03 PM

    @Winston Smith: always a gripe to people eh

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:16 PM

    “Yours is 94%?! Well mine is actually now 95%!”
    I trust the vaccaine data of course but it’s funny after the announcement of the vaccine at 94% that the % has changed to something greater

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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:28 PM

    @Barry Lyons: And these are only their own studies based on small numbers of people. They haven’t been independently proven to work.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:01 PM

    @Ruairi Colton: Pfizer trial 40k plus Moderna 30k plus. Thats enormous in the clinical trial world.

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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:26 PM

    Its a case of my shares are more valuable than yours now….
    How much will this cost????
    How many billions will you make???

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    Mute Gavin Courtney
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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:44 PM

    @Eddie Michael: considering the US bailout alone was $6 trillion, I really don’t think its about money at this stage

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:33 PM

    @Eddie Michael: Not really Pfizer could consume Moderna whole with the cash it has.
    Moderna will have issues, as will Pfizer, but Pfizer has a global manufacturing and distribution system, Moderna is relatively new and small, not undermining their achievement they’ll rely on JV manufacturing to augment their production.

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    Mute Hugo Bugo
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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:44 PM

    Lol, I called this exactly a few days ago, my vaccine is better than yours, which big pharma is going to have to go as far as 100.1% effective to take the lead and as for the people on here talking about giving them the praise they deserve, oh sweet j,when u pay a company in cold hard cash for a service they provide the cash payment is praise enough, after all this only reason they provided u with the vaccine

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:41 PM

    @Hugo Bugo: Thats impossible for these 2 vaccines 5 years ago mRna science was not generally accepted, then came CRISPR, and mRna was looked at again.
    These two German scientists were using mRna on cancer cells to develop individual cancer treatments and were making good progress, when covid came along they sequenced its genetic material found it was simple but noticed that the spikes made a protein from Rna that our immune system can’t recognise, so they developed a message, m in mRna, to allow our T cells to see and find the protein and attack it safely. This means the virus can’t attach to lung cells and dies.

    Your claim is incorrect

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:37 PM

    @Hugo Bugo: These two shared data too, actually they all did, this is new science like the invention of penicillin, or harnessing radiation or even electricity its simply a new way of treating diseases including cancer.

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    Mute Brianán McBride
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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:38 PM

    If there is no serious side effects then why are the government asked to indemnify Pfizer and biotech against potential claims?

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:29 PM

    @Brianán McBride: Are they? The EU is doing all this on our behalf

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    Mute Jean Farrelly
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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:59 PM

    Thats what they told us about the Swine Flu Vaccination.

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    Mute Arch Angel
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:02 PM

    @Jean Farrelly: Really? Point that one out?

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:32 PM

    @Jean Farrelly: This totally different the H1N1 was taking altered virus dna and getting the immune system to attack, Rna isn’t human and our bodies can’t recognise it so mRna changes our immune cell messages to recognise the Rna protein that allows covid to attach to our cells and the destroys it , it makes the Rna protein redundant and the virus dies.

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    Mute Eddie Forde
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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:53 PM

    Like a lot of COVID info, you would need to take a lot of the reports with a pinch of salt.

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    Mute David Van-Standen
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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:10 PM

    Domestos will release one next, that kills 99.9% of covid19…

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    Mute Mark
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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:40 PM

    And heeeere come the Karens !!

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    Mute Daniel Dunne
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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:43 PM

    @Mark: Okay Bob.

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    Mute Mark
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    Nov 18th 2020, 12:45 PM

    @Daniel Dunne: ya need to live laugh love hun, ain’t puttin no vaccine in me flaps

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    Mute Jamo
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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:24 PM

    # Open the pubs NOW.

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    Mute Helen Rafferty
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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:14 PM

    Is there any information about how long these vaccines will give immunity for?

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    Mute Arch Angel
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:04 PM

    @Helen Rafferty: This is why they have trials. The manufacturers have projected at least a year, possibly longer, and have tested the vaccine against up to 20 different mutations of Covid. It worked with all of them.

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:11 PM

    @Helen Rafferty: now the first shot is about 28 days the booster they think is 6 months but since this novel technology the shelf life will take time to evaluate and then other technologies will and do extend self life. My wife did this for pediatric pneumonia in Africa and the WHO accepted it, Africa is a predominantly walker continent and it take time to travel.

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    Mute WreckDefier
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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:14 PM

    Trial being the operative word

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:04 PM

    @WreckDefier: Production is happening right now.

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    Mute John Michalski
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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:12 PM

    Normal vaccine 13 years give or take. This one is a year. Beginning of the end. I’m prepping my zombie survival kit

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    Mute William O Connor
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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:04 PM

    The vaccine which has normal temp control +5 to +25 degrees and hits 90% effectiveness will win all sales

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:06 PM

    @William O Connor: Not really both will be lyophilized over the next few years, and both vaccines are using mRna technologies, add in CRISPR and it could be 100% effective, I kid you not

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    Mute blue exile
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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:26 PM

    You only need a few slugs of listerine now.
    Go and get them takeaway pints into ya !

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    Mute Pat ALTHEA
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    Nov 18th 2020, 5:09 PM

    Where do I sign up?

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    Mute Limited Edition
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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:44 PM

    The Pfizer vaccine, the Moderna vaccine… but which one is better? There’s only one way to find out… FIGGHHHHHTTTTT!!!

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    Mute Faded79
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    Nov 18th 2020, 2:06 PM

    @Limited Edition: could be Sputnik but the EU wont engage. Odd isn’t it if it’s all about the best for people.

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:03 PM

    @Faded79: No as the Russians won’t allow data out or validation in. Additionally its not known how effective it is, other trails supply various data monthly

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    Mute Geoff Collins
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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:27 PM

    Hi

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    Mute John Purcell
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    Nov 18th 2020, 8:13 PM

    How did they do the trial did they give volunteers the vaccine and then make them shift someone with covid to see if they got it

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    Nov 19th 2020, 9:17 AM

    You test an experimental vaccine (indeed a world first for mRNA) on 43,500 people in six countries. Half get a placebo and half get the vaccine (so approx 21,250 vaccinated). If the virus “tests” positive in say 100 people within the control group (placebo) and is only detected in 5 people who received the experimental vaccine, then efficacy is deemed 95%. Wrap your head around that one folks.

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    Mute Richard King
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    Nov 18th 2020, 3:42 PM

    I’m seeing a lot of talk of ‘the beginning of the end’ of COVID in relation to these vaccines.

    As much as it’s a near miracle to have two already, they will ‘only’ produce a combined 2.1 billion successful immunisations in the next year (likely March/April 2022 by the time they are all transported and administered).

    It’s a huge number, but there’s nearly 8 billion people on Earth. If we need 70% of people to be immunised, we’re looking at 2023-24 before we get there (naturally acquired immunity through infection notwithstanding).

    Assuming doses are distributed to countries in a relatively equitable manner, we are looking at another 2+ years of this lock-unlock cycle. Unless I’m missing something?

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    Mute PaulOMahoney Irish
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    Nov 18th 2020, 4:28 PM

    @Richard King: More producers will come online early next year.

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    Mute Marcus Padraig O'Loinnin
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    Nov 18th 2020, 1:46 PM

    great news

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