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How late is too late for potty training? We asked the experts

Potty training can be a serious challenge, as Chrissie Russell knows all too well. So what’s the best approach?

TO THE CASUAL observer I probably look like an over-protective parent, lurking near my son as he races up rope ladders and down slides at our local park. But I’m not waiting to catch him should he fall. I’m staying close by to pull his trousers up so no one sees he’s wearing a nappy.

My son will soon turn three and despite our best efforts, he isn’t toilet trained. Neither reward charts nor pointing out his pals in ‘big boy pants’ has worked. Our three days spent inside in pursuit of conquering the toilet left me ready to lose my mind. I’m at a loss. He’s a clever boy and he knows when he needs to go. He just won’t sit on a potty or toilet. He’s perfectly happy staying in his nappy and doesn’t get why I’m not.

Potty training expert, Amanda Jenner from Potty Training Academy gets some 50 enquiries a week from parents, many of them mums and dads worrying their toddler isn’t toilet trained by the age that they should be. “I hear daily from parents who have really struggled with toilet training and they feel embarrassed,” she says.

Judgmental parents

“The reason they find it stressful is because it’s a very emotive subject – I would say it’s one of the most difficult milestones to achieve – and there’s not much support given.

“There are also lots of judgemental parents out there but my advice is: don’t compare your child to others, every child achieves their milestone at different times.”

All well and good, but even she reckons there’s such a thing as ‘too old’. “If your child has reached four years old and isn’t toilet trained, then this could cause health and emotional issues if they’re starting school.”

I take some solace in knowing I’m not alone. Several of my friends’ sons weren’t trained until after three and in general boys can find the experience trickier than girls thanks to what Amanda refers to as ‘extra bits that need tucking down when sat on the toilet or potty’. She also reckons that better, cheaper, more readily available nappies and the pressures of working parenthood have contributed to pushing back the start date for toilet training.

Working lives

“It’s not a case of children letting go later, it’s a case of changes to our social and working lives which are having an impact,” she explains. “Parents also don’t have as much support as the previous generation.”

But I know there will be many who feel that I really need to take charge and show my son who’s boss when it comes to wrestling him out of nappies.

Experts believe whilst you parents can (and must) take the lead on toilet training, they can’t force the issue. It requires both parties’ commitment. “You cannot force your child to work with you,” says Sheena Mitchell, pharmacist at Milltown totalhealth Pharmacy in Dublin 6 and author of the award winning WonderBaba blog.

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“You can encourage them and support them, but you can never succeed fully with force. If promoting positivity with reward charts and little treats such as stickers or a tiny chocolate doesn’t succeed in getting them onboard then it is possible you just have to wait it out.”

“My advice would be to revisit in a month and try again,” agrees Amanda. “Do not persist as this will only make them regress.” In extreme cases, this might mean delaying a Montessori start date rather than fighting a losing battle.

Rather than get fixated on age or when everyone else is doing it, the key thing is to watch out for signs of readiness. Sheena says:

These include: less frequent urination – not less volume but more consistent gaps; showing interest in the potty or toilet; awareness of bowel motions coming before they happen; awareness of urination after it happens (knowing the puddle on the floor came from them!) and attempting to sit on the toilet and doing a few successful pees without formal toilet training starting.

In terms of tricks to encourage potty training she recommends letting kids pick out their own big girl/ boy pants, having the potty around and talking about it a few weeks before starting training, making reward charts and reading books or watching YouTube videos on the subject together.

Amanda, meanwhile, recommends avoiding these key mistakes:

  • Scolding your child or continuing if they’re distressed
  • Confusing nappies and pants (pull-up pants might be better left for nighttime)
  • Inconsistencies: once you’ve decided to start potty training, stick with it
  • Tackling night-time and day time training together

“I’ve learned there are only two key mistakes: a lack of consistency and a lack of positivity,” adds Sheena who has a toilet training guide on her blog. “I advise having three full days to hibernate indoors and two full weeks to avoid major excursions, trips or events,” she adds.

If anyone needs me, I’ll be at home for the next few days. I only hope the rest of my team is ready to get onboard.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:33 PM

    After all that you’ve come to the conclusion that we sometimes have good weather in June. Lucky I’m in working reading this , if it was in my own spare time I’d be a little upset.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:56 PM

    Ridiculous nonsense. …we’re a small island in the north Atlantic with zero influence on our weather

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:16 PM

    It’s called June, you dopes.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:19 PM

    So it will snow in December so with that logic! I think you are the dope!

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:20 PM

    Wrong, Ciaran.

    It’s sunny every June in Ireland – it rarely ever snows in December. Try again.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:22 PM

    Exam Weather!! Exam weather!

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:33 PM

    Jasyus some people will find an argument in anything..good luck lads.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:24 PM

    In fairness lads. There was a lot of work went into this article. At least acknowledge that much.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:27 PM

    Jesus, a long boring column about sunshine in June.

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    Jun 7th 2016, 10:32 AM

    This was cleared up by Danny Healy Rae.

    God decides the weather.

    And he send sunshine at the start of the Leaving Cert every year to punish us for teaching girls maths.

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    Jun 7th 2016, 1:23 PM

    Brilliant!

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:21 PM

    What an absolute waste of journalism

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:37 PM

    Maybe stick do dealing with actual important issues for this sort of article. Leave this nonsense for that other section about “Irish Mammies”, “notions” and rubbish from Twitter.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:06 PM

    We asked a psychic cat what the best Irish name is. You won’t believe what it said…

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:10 PM

    That cat has notions

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:23 PM

    Holy moley , you know a talking cat? What did it say?

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:27 PM

    Click here to find out.

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    Jun 7th 2016, 10:06 AM

    Hilarious video of Irish Mammy reacting to psychic cat.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:33 PM

    Eh don’t knock the author , some poor commenter sent in this as a fact check request !

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    Jun 7th 2016, 10:06 AM

    Yeah, and they chose to run with the stupid question.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:24 PM

    Ronan. .must read, yea right…but kudos to ur research!

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:04 PM

    Weather wasn’t good for the Exams last year if anyone remembers we had a terrible Summer none of the Flowers grew well this year so far the Flowers are growing great so should have a good Summer

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:47 PM

    FACT HUNT

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    Jun 8th 2016, 1:34 AM

    I still remember myself and my mother splitting a bottle of wine while having salad in the garden the Sunday before my leaving cert and passing out in the sun. Woke up with the worst sun burn. Good times

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:55 PM

    What? A fact check about the weather? Don’t you know all the readers wanna do is comment on abortion, I hope ye are not trying to report on other issues!!!!

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:32 PM

    How in the name of God do you log in with a twitter account. I’ve been trying for days. It just won’t allow it.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 10:34 PM

    It keeps saying login error or log out of the app (no option to do this) and log back in. Over and over again.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:07 PM

    Patrick, not sure but there’s an option to log out of your Facebook account and then log in with your Twitter

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:12 PM

    Doesn’t work. I’ve tried that a few times. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling again. Tried the computer also. It just won’t work. I’m beginning to think I’m either mad or stupid or both.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:18 PM

    I’ve recommended they do a fact checking article on whether you’re doing it right or wrong. Let’s get to the bottom of this one.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:20 PM

    I’m definitely doing it wrong. Do an idiots guide to logging in with Twitter. That’d help.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:29 PM

    Do you have the twitter app on an iphone and do you use it?

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:33 PM

    Samsung Galaxy S5

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:35 PM

    Using it now. Only allows my Facebook though. It’s not a big deal but it has become an issue because it just won’t do it. Now I have to get it to work.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:37 PM

    Has anyone else experienced this? I see ye all with your Twitter eggs now and it grates.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:40 PM

    Patrick set ur twitter account with someone’s phone you known and have their permission to use.it should work then . it’s then separate from your phone.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:41 PM

    Number

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:48 PM

    Thanks Sparky. I’ll try that. Seems kinda silly though. Maybe if that’s the case I’ll try to uninstall Facebook and messenger and try to log in with Twitter then. That might work so. Should be able to reinstall them afterwards again. There is nothing about this problem anywhere though.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:50 PM

    Oh I get what you are saying now. I just use their number but can still have the account on my phone. the penny drops.

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    Jun 6th 2016, 11:52 PM

    It is but it worked for me..the only problem is now I’ll have to argue with u on two accounts. Lol

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    Jun 7th 2016, 12:26 AM

    Its only one issue sparky. You might find me reasonable on others. Bloody complicated rigmarole for a stupid egg, though. Maybe they could explain the situation some bit in the accounts page. Another resentment added to the list.

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    Jun 7th 2016, 12:37 AM

    Just hope you got it sorted..I’m sure I will.

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    Jun 7th 2016, 12:59 AM

    Ah Patrick, don’t be jealous of our eggs now , although sparky’s is a nicer colour than my one !

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    Jun 7th 2016, 6:14 AM

    Jasus can I go back to bed, I thought the coffee was doing its job for a minute

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    Jun 7th 2016, 8:30 AM

    Total rubbish.
    By the way.
    Google “Hitler Weather”.

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