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The plight of rural pubs in Ireland is well documented – and easy to spot. Almost 1,000 premises have closed over the space of five years. When addressing this issue, Ireland’s elected representatives fall between two stools – they must balance the need for sensible drinking while supporting these local businesses. TheJournal.ie spoke to some of those politicians who can be – or have previously been – found behind the bar. They’ve shared their experiences of running bars, and what can be done to help those struggling.
Any rural Irish pub that is only selling pints will be closed in five years.
IT’S A STARK warning, but the reality for many communities around Ireland. Their local pub, once the heartbeat of the area, is barely clinging on as a viable business.
He described the past decade as “exceptionally difficult”, a trend that started gradually in the mid-2000s, was exasperated by the recession, but is now starting to reverse.
That reversal hasn’t been solely by a restoration of the normal trade though, he said:
It’s a big challenge. We’re starting to offer food and have opened a theatre a couple of nights, but it’s a challenge when you only have three members of staff.
Cannon says he used a derelict function room at the back of the pub – once the Mecca for locals at a time when a trip to the local big town and into a club was a foreign concept – to diversify, running events including gigs and pizza nights.
It’s giving people another reason to come and visit the pub, and it’s working well. The community have been very supportive.
Cannon’s pub has been around for some time, but another politician hopped dove head-first into this risky business just as the first glimmer of recovery was starting to be seen.
Terry Leyden is a Fianna Fáil Senator known for owning a replica Dáil bar.
“It’s building up a nice steady trade,” Leyden said, “It’s going grand so far.”
He has focused on diversification – Castlecoote Lodge runs trad nights, darts tournaments, hosts local hunts, and has land surrounding if they ever wanted to run a larger gathering, with nearby accommodation – and then marketing this widely.
“Basically, your locals are your number one priority,” he explained, “After that you add to it by having events.”
Leyden believes there is one important, key element to any pub:
If you have quality Guinness, you will do well.
Both Cannon and Leydon’s stories are quite positive, but can skim past the reality facing rural Ireland. Pubs closing have caused a rot at the very core of communities across the country. They are among numerous boarded-up shopfronts on main streets in villages and towns. Recently, Brosna in Kerry saw its last shop close its doors for the final time.
This financial crisis saw people’s pockets a lot less full, fewer jobs, and young adults much more eager to emigrate, bringing back memories of the 1980s. One TD said:
That has really turned the heart of rural Ireland.
Tom Fleming is one of the Dáil’s best known publicans, an Independent for Kerry South since 2011, and before that a Fianna Fáil councillor on-and-off since 1980
After taking up his seat in Leinster House, Fleming’s Bar in Scartaglin village was leased. Before this, he witnessed first-hand what was happening in his community.
“People are the lifeblood of any community,” Fleming said, “The reality is you have a lost an entire generation. Some of it is for lifestyle, some of it is forced emigration, people who had no choice but to leave their native areas and migrate to big cities.”
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“We have certainly lost a vital element. We need to regenerate our rural areas.”
This is obviously going to affect footfall in pubs, but social changes are also afoot:
The old socialising element of the pub has been diluted, and it is certainly not in the traditional style when people came in for a conservation and to maybe watch a bit of TV. By and large, it was very much a social gathering with a lot of interaction between people, but I see that diminishing.
The recession wasn’t the first big challenge for the rural Irish pub though. Difficult to label it an issue or problem, stricter drink driving laws have noticeably impacted business for rural publicans.
Obviously a force for good, it has been enforced for everyone’s safety and something that publicans have simply had to work with since the mid-2000s.
When the Government clamped down on drink-driving, and clamped down hard, rural drivers were no longer able to tip home from their local pub late at night after having a few drinks.
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Some have suggested that people in this situation should be given some kind of exemption, but few will argue against having safer roads.
Rural publicans have been hit harder than those in the city, where taxis and public transport is abound.
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An initiative was launched at the end of 2013 to address this. The local area hackney service is intended to target transport deficits that would not otherwise be addressed in rural areas – but it isn’t going well, to say the least, one former publican has found.
Fine Gael’s Brendan Griffin, who gave up a brief career behind the bar (sometimes spent writing books) when he was elected in 2011, discovered just how poorly through a parliamentary question in February. At that time, a total of 42 applications were made nationwide for local area hackney licenses – but just seven were granted.
“This seems to be something we need to tweak,” he said.
It’s either not being communicated, or not feasible to do.
This scheme was meant to be the be-all-and-end-all for the problem, but publicans are still calling for more help.
“I can only speak from my experience of working with three distinct communities and three individuals wishing to serve those communities. They satisfied all of these criteria. Their application was accompanied by a letter from a community group that advocates on behalf of the community and works to address the needs of the rural community.
“They were also accompanied by a forensic analysis of the public transport needs carried out by the local authority and signed by a very senior figure within the local authority management.”
They satisfied all of those criteria, yet were refused. I can only speak from the experience of working with these individuals. They were exceptionally disappointed. The communities they were willing to serve were equally disappointed.
Minister Michael Ring conceded that there were “teething problems”, and has said the NTA will review the scheme.
On paper, this scheme is valid: get people to the pub, they have their few sensible drinks with friends, and then head home.
The reality is that drinking in Ireland is not like this. Pubs are expensive. It’s far easier to get six cans of Dutch Gold for under a tenner, invite a few people over, and spend the evening doing that.
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Do the same thing in a pub, and you could be pushing for a bill of €40.
The availability of cheap alcohol is not only keeping us away from pubs, alcohol awareness groups say its driving up our intake of booze.
Enter minimum pricing – and another line to skate for publicans-cum-politicians.
The Government confirmed earlier this year that this system will be introduced, where there will be a minimum price for a unit of alcohol sold in off licenses.
The new legislation will include provisions to prevent the sale of very cheap alcohol, making it illegal to sell or advertise alcohol at a price below the limit.
Minister for Health Leo Varadkar said at the time:
It will obviously need to be sufficiently high to eliminate very cheap alcohol which really drives binge drinking, but not so high that it affects most consumers.
This is something that, needless to say, many publicans find appealing. Bring the cost of a can up, and the previously expensive cost of a pint seems more reasonable. Many also argue that drinking in a pub is less conducive to binge drinking.
“The traditional Irish pub has been run in a reasonably orderly fashion,” Tom Fleming argued.
“It should be adequately supervised and there’s a standard of compliance. At a house party you can have spirits being drank without measure and there can be a high mood, and it can out of hand. That’s the reality of it.”
However, Griffin notes that it can be hard to tell someone they have had one too many:
It’s hard to call it. You have to know the customer, and if you don’t serve a regular, they may never come back.
“If you don’t know the customer it’s not always that easy to tell if they’re drunk. You might only have five seconds, before which they composed themselves. You see them later and they’re falling about the place.”
While most publicans nodded towards a level of agreement with minimum pricing, Ciaran Cannon is staunchly against it, calling it a “red herring”:
“I think it’s an unfair state intervention in a free market, and there is little evidence globally to show that it is going to affect alcohol consumption.”
“Ultimately, at the end of the day, I’m a liberal. I don’t feel like trying to force people down a particular ideology.”
“Publicans need to go out and be innovative.”
Wrapping up the thoughts of his Leinster House colleagues on all the issues facing the rural pub, Brendan Griffin summed up their future with one sentence:
The days of having nothing behind the bar except cheese and onion crisps, and maybe a pink Snack, are over.
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Some people are saying that it is not Ryan’s fault that RTE under reported the money but he knew it was under reported and said as much. It’s about integrity. He is the main star on the national broadcaster that is paid for mostly by a tax. Its not ok for him to adopt the head down don’t ask don’t tell if no one finds out it’s grand attitude. I’m angry over the deception and lack of integrity and to be honest pure greed. It’s public money and they need to be accountable and act with integrity at all times, not let’s see what we can get away with.
What about the Siun bird forgetting about giving Deirdre ”Dee” the temporary P45 the day before the Rte interview..Poor Auld Ryan forgetting to tell them that he was up 75 grand in the wages every year..Wild amount of forgetfulness in that outfit.
Oh wait, Tubridy has apologised unreservedly.
These are scary words when you hear them from the Irish elite. It means there’s nothing more to see here, now the peasant population should go back to they’re jobs.
@Jack Cronin: And be quick about it or suffer the consequences, we will tax you more, raise petrol prices, keep utilities high and fine you if you don’t get a licence.
Seeing as we’re FINALLY acknowledging that RTÉ has undone all its goodwill, let’s take a second look at Claire Byrne broadcasting live from her Potemkin isolation shed in her back garden soundstage, along with all the little “hush-hush” get-togethers RTÉ staff had during the lockdown. Never forget what these people did.
Theatre, lets all ignore the proposed hate speech laws, the push for NATO, unlimited unvetted immigration, the sustained attack on rural life/ family and the rotten government and its supposed ‘opposition’.
@tommy: Yes Tommy We Should. The Public should demand it. But the Greedy politicians Won’t agree to it, they know RTE would have to go behind a pay wall and would lose millions in revenue because of the Absolute Rubbish they produce.
I think it’s fair to assume and say the golden cow is starting to crumble around their ears. Be the top salaries worth it or not that’s another debate but the coffin lid already has many nails in it.
Need to say Tubridy isn’t in the wrong. If your employer pays you more than you think, what would you do ? It’s the employer not the employee who is at fault
@Ciaran: Someone lodges money into your account by mistake. Does it make it yours. No. It belongs to someone. You have a moral duty to give it back. Spend it and it’s theft. Same with Tubs, Whether he knew about it or not it didn’t belong to him.
@Dave Barrett: of course it belonged to him. It wasn’t a mistake. RTE made a deal with Renault to pay him a certain amount for appearances or whatever the promotional work was for 3 years. RTE messed up by taking on the guarantee for 3 years themselves (Renault pulled out after 1 year but RTE continued to honour the deal).
If you make a contract with someone, you have to honour it. They did, but they were shady about. RTE 100% at fault on this one.
@Ciaran: hmm ain’t a regular employee and employee though / RTE are funded by the people / they were repeatedly asking for increases in funding ( increase the license fee) because they can’t efficiently manage their business / then they tried to say they needed staff to accept cuts and they were making cuts to their top stars. They said this in front of Public Accounts committee ffs / and the numbers being reported were hundreds of thousands more than they were reporting / Ryan knew this was incorrect and that’s why he apologised today for not speaking out / so with respect he has to own his share of the blame regardless of employee / employee relations. They have a huge hill to climb now getting public to agree to pay more increases / just watch what happens payment levels !
@Ciaran: not really more than he thought though is it ciaran? He knew what he was meant to get as he had to do a certain amount of appearances for Renault to honour the contract. He couldn’t come out and say what he was really earning as it would have affected brand Turbidy, especially when everyone else was being asked to take a pay cut
@Dave Barrett: do you not understand the issue the problem isn’t the amount but the method of payment and understating of his salary by RTE which equates to decepting the public.
FF, FG RTE, GAA just a handful of people currently in the corruption controversy to do with our current government. How long do we keep saying ‘ah but they weren’t to know”. Varadkar washing us out with immigration we can’t house. Martin putting our neutrality on the line and calling protesters a step too far. Varadkar leaking documents. Dee Forbes on the board of GAA Go while director General of RTE. Brough to answer in her final two weeks and Tubs legged it before the fire. Grow up and break the Stockholm syndrome we’re being laughed at. I can’t wait for the muppet who says remember SF in 1960.
There should be an enquiry into why some so called entertainers on RTE are paid at all and should be grateful for the free exposure as sufficient recompense , such is the lack of talent.
Pay your licience so these puppets get this astorshin money.tubs miriam, duffy, to name but a few overated overpaid.Rte is not fit for its purpose nor are the bom.
The sad thing in all of this is… public service broadcasting is taking the hit here…… We, more than ever, need a genuine public broadcasting service that is ethical, truthful, supports real news, an is a voice for minorities in our community, gives coverage to sports & arts the “big” media outlets aren’t interested in. Politicians and government need to be really firm in making those who run RTÉ stick to these principles …..Paying 40c a day is great value for this service …. but this carry on makes it very hard to make the case… The ordinary 5/8 has to be on board otherwise we’re on a very slippery slope!!!
@Gerry: I’d be amazed if the majority of television viewers did watch RTÉ. RTÉ claim that the entire population of Ireland watches RTÉ regularly in order to charge huge fees to advertisers for the allegedly captive audience. Paying for a service that people don’t watch is not a bargain, it’s extortion. And to cap it all, they put the mandatory fee up because their advertising sales went down. I have never seen them halving the licence fee because advertising revenue was up!
Don’t you see that they’re farming the amount of viewers for money? We are their income stream.
Oliver Callan is doing a commendable job sitting in for Tubridy. The Journal seems to have searched for the most sinister photo they could find of Tubs for this article. I find that unfair.
@John Farrell: Probably..only to be followed by another tribunal to investigate their report…It will then go to a committee to give a report on the findings of the two tribunals ..A couple of years later the committee will give the report to the relevant Minister. He / She will give a rousing speech and the report will gather dust for the years to come.
How far back do such arrangements go, I wonder. Will Grant Thornton investigate whether previous Late Late Show hosts had similar arrangements with 3rd party sponsors, also facilitated by RTE.
Could there be “one for everyone in the audience” ?????????
What scandal??? Country has turned into a nation of moaners and begrudgers. Cop on, this lad deserved every penny he got having to entertain a million people every morning.
@Oliveraie de Paravieille: entertain ? It’s like listening to paint dry. The man is a talentless over ambitious me feiner if he was a melted choc ice he would still lick himself
@Fintan Stack: exactly, the country needs to stop paying the TV license. It’s outdated as it is before this nonsense . If it’s done on mass they can’t bring us all to court
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What a hypocrite. I’m so pissed off as I liked the guy from an entertainment perspective but more so loved him as i believed in his standards. Stick your MK statement Ryan,.
Fool me for once ..etc
What a hypocrite. I’m so pissed off as I liked the guy from an entertainment perspective but more so loved him as i believed in his standards. Stick your MK statement Ryan,.
Fool me for once .
Why pay Tubridy over half a million a year? Where would he go if they decided to cut his salary by half or even two thirds? For a tiny country like ours to pay a public presenter that kind of money is laughable. The result of this must be massive and immediate cuts to the top ten highest RTE earners. At a time when we are tripping over sleeping bags up and down Grafton St….call their bluff, they have nowhere to go
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