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Ruairí Quinn: Being booed and heckled by teachers 'certainly wasn't enjoyable'

Meanwhile, the Department of Education has denied that the Minister was trying to suggest a higher level maths requirement would get more men into the teaching profession.

Updated 10.40am 

EDUCATION MINISTER RUAIRÍ Quinn has admitted it “wasn’t enjoyable” to be booed and heckled at a teachers’ conference yesterday as he insisted that he will continue with planned reforms to the junior cycle.

Quinn was barracked as he delivered a speech to the Association of Secondary Teachers in Ireland (ASTI) yesterday amid ongoing opposition to the introduction Junior Certificate Student Award (JCSA) as a replacement for the Junior Cert.

Speaking on Today with Seán O’Rourke on RTÉ Radio this morning, the Minister said: “I think it is difficult to be treated in that particular way, it’s a matter for them to consider what it is doing to the image that they have as a union.”

He said the JCSA was not going to be deferred, but said that its introduction has been delayed to implement it over 10 years, insisting there is “plenty of time to resolve issues”.

On the same progreamme, the ASTI’s Pat King said that the barracking was carried out by “extremist people” and said they “certainly were not democrats”. He said he had apologised to Quinn.

The Minister also came under fire yesterday for comments about a “highly feminised” audience at the INTO conference earlier in the day.

Quinn said he was trying to make the point that young girls drop Maths at Higher Level after the Junior Cert because they don’t need it to go into teaching, as he announced plans for Higher Level Maths to be mandatory at Leaving Cert level in order to begin teacher training.

“I was trying to make points but they got hopelessly intermingled because I went off script and got distracted as a consequences and I think my message got confused,” he said.

His comments did not go down well with the teachers, or on Twitter afterwards:

We asked the minister’s department what he meant by these comments to teachers and here’s what they said:

He would like to see higher level maths in Leaving Cert become part of the minimum entry requirements to Initial Teacher Education. This would be similar to the situation with higher level Irish.
He said in a feminised profession like teaching, young women who at 15 sit Junior Cert higher maths, decide at Leaving Cert not to opt for honours as they deem it to be too much work to get a similar mark or points. They are capable of it, but decide not too because of its difficulty.
He did not say such a proposal would address the feminisation of the profession. He did not refer to trying to get more men into the profession. Rather, he is looking at ways to improve numeracy in primary schools and believes if higher level maths, like higher level Irish, was a minimum entry requirement for initial teacher education this would help in improving numeracy.

- additional reporting Hugh O’Connell

First published 10.09am 

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    Mute Chris
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    May 5th 2015, 10:10 AM

    The same Alan Kelly who was threatening prosecutions to those who refuse to pay rheir Irish Water bills.

    Don’t you worry Alan , the Irish people haven’t forgotten.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:13 AM

    He only wants them to stay in the house so he can send them a water bill !!

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    May 5th 2015, 10:18 AM

    Also 300 million to build 1700 social housing units is simply far far too much

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    May 5th 2015, 10:31 AM

    Jonathan Bambury…….you are right. Each unit built equates as 176,470euro for each one. That’s a crazy price……unless you happen to be paying a developer and builder who dines with you at the same club!

    Will we ever learn?

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    May 5th 2015, 10:36 AM

    Mr Kelly a more right wing elitist “socialist” would be hard to find riding the people to advantage the Few.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:37 AM

    Irish water remember that mess, I’m going to enjoy reeling in the years in ten years time

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    May 5th 2015, 10:41 AM

    ” a absolute top priority” People have already lost homes, Your priority Kelly was continuing Phil Hogans job and bullying people to pay for water, so as to sell it on to the highest bidder and privatise it, you didn’t give a damn about the persecution the banks inflicted on the citizens of this country.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:42 AM

    I’d say some of that money is for buying houses off the banks and then the local authority renting them back out ~banksneverlose

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    May 5th 2015, 10:56 AM

    Nothing like a general election to get politicians to sit up straight and start paying attention , too little too late Kelly we won’t forget.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:15 AM

    Not the “highest” bidder surely but DOB with a nice write down say 140 million

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    May 5th 2015, 11:55 AM

    This individual expects to be re-elected. RMAO.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:02 PM

    Amen to that, pikeman.!

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    May 5th 2015, 12:21 PM

    I wonder how much the consulting costs are going to be. richer going to get richer.If people were left in theirs homes we wouldn’t have to build more homes. the banks are having a laugh they get bailed out then they take peoples home and then we have to pay more money to house those people instead of leaving them in there homes its a joke the banks are a joke fg ff labour are a joke.Is there any common sense in the dail._.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:46 PM

    “Last November, Kelly outlined a €3.8 billion plan to deliver 35,000 new social housing units by 2020. Today’s announcement is the first phase of the building aspects of that plan.”
    I have decided to throw my own hat into the election Arena.
    I wish to announce a 10 billion plan to build 100,000 social housing homes by 2020.
    I will abolish Irish Water if elected, and there will be a referendum to amend the Constitution so that no shyster/traitorous/Gombeen politician, can ever pull this stunt again.
    more to follow.
    A vote for me (Sean Mac Diarmada) will be a very positive decision on your part.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:47 PM

    Alan is piling on the weight..must know he’ll be in hibernating for a while after next GE!

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    May 5th 2015, 1:16 PM

    Excellent comment, despite his bullshite I’m a socialist Minster comment, he’s like his coalition cronies who have lobbyists whispering in his ear

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    May 5th 2015, 1:27 PM

    Smoked salmon and truffles are his little treats .

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    May 5th 2015, 1:30 PM

    ok sean where will you run might vote for you.

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    May 5th 2015, 2:45 PM

    while having the people lick the sh”te off his shoes

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    May 5th 2015, 5:57 PM

    I’m so looking foreword to seeing, now very shortly – Mr. Kelly and his Labour Party, losing their Seats , all over The Country,in the coming General Election.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:54 PM

    Right behind you, Sean

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    May 5th 2015, 10:16 AM

    Empty words from a morally and politically bankrupt politician.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:20 AM

    He is the younger brother of Declan Kelly, who was appointed in 2009 as economic envoy to Northern Ireland by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Declan, and a company co-owned by him, donated a total of €7,500 in 2010 to help elect the north Tipperary politician to Dáil Éireann.

    This included a declaration from Mr Kelly that his brother, from his address in New York, donated €2,480. A company jointly owned by Mr Kelly, Stone Park Taverns, also gave the new TD €2,500. Accounts for the same company show that, on top of that, it made a €2,500 payment to “North Tipperary Labour Party”.
    Thanks to The Examiner

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    May 5th 2015, 12:40 PM

    Well said and in one sentence that is all you need to know about Kelly

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    May 5th 2015, 1:32 PM

    What is it with some Irish people? Can they not see the link with paying tax and getting a service. We can’t afford to do everything at once. Unless we pay more.

    And for the record my wife and I pay up to 40k in taxes so anyone that calls me a troll or says i belong to a party i have two words for you? Go f…

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    May 5th 2015, 1:48 PM

    Thats only the tip of the iceberg as far as his brother goes – his company specialises in privatising national resources, including water – the stench is strong in this family

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    May 5th 2015, 2:27 PM

    What are the two words, Tom? ‘Go far’?

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    May 5th 2015, 2:56 PM

    Right back atcha, Gobdaw :-D

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    May 5th 2015, 3:47 PM

    Declan Kelly… Wasn’t he caught by the gardai standing on top of a tanker of dodgy petrol? Defrauded the state out of millions and didn’t do a minute in jail.
    “Behind every great fortune lies a great crime.” ( Honore de Balzac.)

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    May 5th 2015, 4:19 PM

    Tom Kelly still spouting bull

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    May 5th 2015, 4:41 PM

    I would have used three words ,Tom .

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    May 5th 2015, 11:03 AM

    The man has everything ‘a top priority’ and is the resolver of none!!

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    May 5th 2015, 1:03 PM

    And his over inflated opinion of himself is top of that priority list. Gobs##te is all he is.

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    May 5th 2015, 1:10 PM

    Do you really believe these people https://youtu.be/27UL3tZW1bk

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    May 5th 2015, 1:35 PM

    As a “Labour” man who ran on the promise that water charges would be a “red line issue” and now is attempting to enforce water charges, Alan Kelly’s credibility evaporated a long time ago.

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    May 5th 2015, 6:14 PM

    Haven’t you heard Trevor..he’s part of the ‘greatest government this country’s ever had’… Alan must be lickin’ one of those South American frogs because he’s not right in the head..

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    May 5th 2015, 10:22 AM

    Soundbites and bullSh!t is all Alan Kelly is good for

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    May 5th 2015, 10:20 AM

    Shows they don’t care about helping people or it would never have got to this. Have they willfully ignored the problem and now the problem is biting and biting hard.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:44 AM

    Aye further proof of this lack of care is the Shared Ownership Scheme, that falls fully under Kelly’s remit, this is a scheme that he has complete say over and it continues to be a disastrous failure for those low paid workers who were taken in by it. The can has been kicked down the road for three years and counting, if he cant take care of his own baby….

    http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/local-news/council-s-shared-ownership-one-of-the-worst-schemes-ever-1-6675625

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    May 5th 2015, 11:59 AM

    Fg and Labour knew that this was going to happen but sat on their back sides and did nothing.300million is peanuts when it comes to building homes. Especially when we have 1oo thousand on waiting lists Ireland is a shambles thats our repayment for bailing out banks.Quantitive easy is another joke because you cant fix a debt problem by creating more debt what we should do is burn the bond holders full stop. Also instead of burning 1.5 billion every year we should use it for building homes and tell the banking cartel aka Europe to f^ck off.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:00 PM

    Relax.
    Elections are looming.
    Public sector pay to increase.
    (a certainty-the only certainty!)
    Social housing units will spring up all over the country-like Daffodils in Springtime.!
    Grandiose plans to solve every problem will be announced on a weekly basis.
    Hundreds of millions will be promised.
    All to happen-guess when-AFTER the boys are re elected.!

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    May 5th 2015, 12:08 PM

    Sean if the irish fall for it we will be known as the fools of europe.

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    May 5th 2015, 5:59 PM

    We already are!

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    May 5th 2015, 10:14 AM

    How about this idea? Get the Government to lobby shareholders to have an EGM to vote on reduction of rates for variable mortgage holders. As major shareholder in AIB it could force this on that institution for starters, then work on BOI… Others would have to follow suit to stay in the game. With free money going to the banks from QE it is doable if political will is there.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:23 AM

    How about nationalizing the banks and burning the bond holders? How about issuing CPOs to speculators and developers who are sitting on properties forcing the inevitable price surge in property and private rental market?

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    May 5th 2015, 10:40 AM

    Well said..why the hell are we being screwed in a so called single market..the 2%difference in rates are crucifying a lot of people..if the banks wont move..legislate to fix the rates to the eurozone average..

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    May 5th 2015, 10:44 AM

    Banks control politicians and judges. You will never get legislation or a court decision which is not bank approved. All judges personal indebtedness should be openly registered there would be a lot of recussing by the learned lords. Similarly all loans/sweetheart deals/right offs given to politicians should be in the open.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:28 AM

    Why not take the commercial banks out of the equation entirely?

    Ireland could establish a state owned bank with the dual remit of financing a large program of social housing construction and in parallel issuing very low interest mortgages for those that want to buy their own homes.

    The commercial banks create most of the new money in circulation today when they issue loans. In issuing credit, banks simultaneously create new deposits in the recipient’s bank account via computer keystrokes and so bring new money into existence. (Loans create deposits as confirmed by the Bank of England in 2007. http://www.neweconomics.org/publications/entry/where-does-money-come-from)

    This facility of banks to create money could be harnessed by the state to resolve the housing crisis. The state needs to build a large number of homes quickly and in the right locations as the utter market failure in this area has been catastrophic. Before we joined the Euro currency union, the government could simply create its own Punt currency and spend it directly on the construction of social housing. Now we are constrained somewhat as our Euro membership prevents the Irish Central Bank from creating new money directly but there are still finance options open to us.

    The councils could for example borrow directly from a state owned bank (as AIB currently is) in order to fund an extensive construction program to address the housing emergency. State agencies borrowing directly from banks is not prohibited under the current treaties of the EU. The credit to the councils could take the form of long term loan contracts to be repaid over period of say 30 years. The terms and interest rates payable would be very favorable indeed as they would be ‘negotiated’ with a state owned bank. The newly built houses will generate a rental income stream for the councils which can be used to repay the construction finance loan contracts providing a cost neutral solution to this crisis. Another major benefit is that the large scale building of housing would provide many desperately needed jobs in the construction sector, delivering more pay packets into the domestic economy stimulating further demand and jobs in a virtuous circle.

    A state owned bank could also offer residential mortgages (up to a maximum) for owner occupier home purchases. The mortgages could be offered at very low interest rates as the bank would not be required to maximize shareholder profit and could instead take a holistic approach to the economy.

    In this way the banking function would be utilized to assist people to house themselves while freeing up money to be spent in the domestic economy to stimulate employment etc. instead of disappearing into the commercial bank balance sheets as interest payments.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:05 PM

    Another words take the power of creating money away from private banks its not rocket science.Monetary reform is badly needed https://youtu.be/2TMcGb3bW-k

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    May 5th 2015, 10:36 AM

    They have knocked back Willie Penrose’s bankruptcy proposal (“3 years” to 1 year) . So yeah ‘we’re here to help the banks ,again’

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    May 5th 2015, 4:19 PM

    They are in awful trouble since Siteserv – for the following reason…
    The people have now figured out that there is something wrong and that there are whistleblowers , but the whistleblowers need a strong group of Independents to go to – so that is what the people will provide – that will be the real Government of Ireland because they will have the law on their side and will be educated enough to take on the judges and their interpretations because of the evidence that will emerge !

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    May 5th 2015, 4:21 PM

    Exciting times you’re promising there, Hermes. I hope you’re right.

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    May 5th 2015, 4:22 PM
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    May 5th 2015, 6:05 PM

    100,000 thousand marching is a massive political force – it represent far more than 100,000 votes and the Auction politics and the holidays can’t come soon enough for these guys – I wonder if Catherine Murphy has got some more goodies – There was more than siteserv sold
    PWC are moving into A large for Bank of Ireland former headquarters owned by Larry Goodman – is it not fair to ask who acted in this sale and if there were Chinese walls – I have only used this as one example because it has high-profile well known people involved as a clear exemplar …and it is public knowledge

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    May 5th 2015, 7:47 PM

    The taxpayer’s bill for the building in question was somewhere in around 240 or 280 million plus interest !
    “Sure what’s a few million”, thought the Drummer, as he reached for the toilet roll !

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    May 5th 2015, 11:04 AM

    These “shortly coming” initiatives are a long time coming. It’s their answer to everything.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:28 AM

    ‘Top priorities’ don’t get put to the back of the queue. If this was a top priority for a functioning government, it’d be sorted at this stage.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:32 AM

    Election looming, this has prioritised the issue.They didn’t give a feck in the pervious 4 years.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:10 AM

    So basically your a hypocrite who says one things and does the opposite

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    May 5th 2015, 10:10 AM

    Yes,
    But he wants them to pay water charges too…
    Has he really thought this through?

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    May 5th 2015, 10:16 AM

    Of course he hasn’t. It’s all about the sound bites with Mr kelly

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    May 5th 2015, 12:38 PM

    Comment was posted when the title of the article related to Alan Kelly’s pronouncement.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:14 AM

    The government should be placing a moratorium on all repossesions while they are deliberating on this issue. As they delay people are having life and death issues thrown at them through the courts. It is not good enough that the banks can write off debts to large companies – as in Siteserve – but insist on pursuing the small mortgage holder who is suffering, partly as a result of the bank’s free for all policies of the past.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:43 AM

    If they want people to stay in their homes they shouldnt have signed the act into law …roll on ge annihilate labour fg ff

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    May 5th 2015, 10:23 AM

    Whats the maths on 3.8 billion for 35000 homes?

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    May 5th 2015, 10:36 AM

    Barry….you are right to question these figures…..I make it that it costs one million and eightysix thousand per unit. This is pie in the sky stuff from Kelly. More bullshit.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:37 AM

    3 billion for consultants, 500 million for expenses 200 million for green steam and 100 million for the inquiry to find out where the money has gone.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:01 AM

    Works out at 108k per unit which is total bs. Also 4 billion invested would want to spark more than 300 jobs.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:43 AM

    He could get on to Buffett, he has the contacts, a few big Trailer parks is the Yankee way and Labour are very attracted to the Yankee way of doing things at the moment.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:39 AM

    The government has done nothing to help with the mortgage arrears crisis,strategic defaulters need to be kicked to the kerb but people who are genuine need to be helped, many don’t have the money for a solicitor so they turn for help to the Hub , Lay litigation Ireland and the national land league all worthy people trying to help Joe public stay in their homes.
    It made me sick to see Niall Collins trying to capitalise on this problem on the People’s debate , and now Kelly talking out of both sides of his mouth knowing damn well there isn’t enough land zoned for public housing, there’s a councillor / solicitor who’s name escapes me who is saying in her councillors role that she is very concerned about people losing their homes , she then goes to court to represent Ulster bank in repossession cases , the whole political system is against the people we need a massive cull .

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    May 5th 2015, 3:06 PM

    Deco, your humble Sheik has twice mentioned in despatches that in the course of work has been present at Circuit Court lists in Dublin, Dundalk and Trim, the vast bulk of which consisted of home repossessions. The pace has stepped up because of the convenient legislation passed last year (or 2013) by this Government, at the behest of the Troika. Up until then the Judges and the County Registrars had manfully resisted repossessions where-ever possible. They no longer have that choice, but must enforce the law. Need I say more?

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    May 5th 2015, 10:34 AM

    Profit before people FG LAB have no respect for the people. They will now merely stall as long as they can to allow the banks economically rape the people. When the outcry forces action the most mealy mouthed legislation will be enacted to allow after a hiatus another rape of the nation. Taxing farming on a scale not seen since the roman empire is being enabled by the parties of the right. FF FG LAB GREENS all complicit in the extortion of the people for the gain of the venture capitalists.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:29 AM

    At least AIB have moved on the arrears issues by writing off debts that they would never get back .Richard Boucher believes in crucifying an ordinary Joe Soap to their graves .

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    May 5th 2015, 10:23 AM

    People in multiple debts need write-offs of the unsecured debt and more importantly of the secured debt .
    What a messy situation 8 years on .. Cruelty .

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    May 5th 2015, 10:38 AM

    There cannot be debt relief or forgiveness for mortgage holders in negative equity and reduced income.. All the bank,NAMA,IBRC resources have to pay bond holders and the €1.7 billion so Mc Namara’s of this country can get more lucrative government contracts and DOB can get a few more bargains.. And sure dont we have all those hedge funds mopping up the property portfolio’s. . Cant neglect the foreign investors and pension plans…

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    May 5th 2015, 12:08 PM

    They were told time and time again that this would happen – and yet they chose to be pig-headed and continue on.
    Now they are trying to PR spin things as if they are doing us all a favour.

    They helped create this almighty mess and now they are trying to spin their way out of it.
    Do they seriously think we entirely have (a) short memories, (b) blind and (c) completely stupid?

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    May 5th 2015, 12:15 PM

    It that the Alan Kelly who loves his Nieghbours ?

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    May 5th 2015, 12:27 PM

    It’s the same Kelly who loves the lane past his elderly neighbours house … and p’s get out of the way misses …

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    May 5th 2015, 12:28 PM

    LOL, “I’d be embarrassed if I was Alan Kelly”….. imagine being Alan Kelly!

    I must at some stage get around to paying Irish Water (not)

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    May 5th 2015, 11:30 AM

    So hes saying the governments response to the 500% increase in repossessions is to increase the number of socail houses to be built in 2017…..how about greatly reducing the number of repossessions???

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    May 5th 2015, 1:10 PM

    He’s about a year out from the political wilderness with most of his Labour Party colleagues.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:15 AM

    It’s not your home if you don’t pay for it. You’re not entitled to live for free because ultimately somebody else has to pay for it.
    I, as a mortgage holder and taxpayer, am paying my own debt, and I’m quite happy to contribute by way of taxation to support those “on the margins”, but I cannot countenance the notion of subsidising those who choose not to pay because they are holding out for a bailout.
    We may have bailed out the banks some time ago, but we cannot justify one bad decision by comparing it to another bad decision. We must learn from our mistakes, not perpetuate them.

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    May 5th 2015, 2:05 PM

    delighted to see this article…. I was wondering if I was the only this morning who thought Alan Kelly lacked any sort of credibility in this announcement. When he is questioned by an interviewed he concedes nothing. Even if he said “yes I know this is just a drop in the ocean to those who need social housing but I am committed to this in every way” No instead he says he is great and this is a positive thing etc etc etc…..
    He seems so out of touch with the reality faced by people being made homeless and kicked out of rented accommodation every day.

    It is an embarassment that he thinks this is even worth an announcement!!!

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    May 5th 2015, 3:02 PM

    600 social housing unit to be built this year…………598 repossession orders issued in the first 3 months of this year…..that about cancels that out. Running to stand still.

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    May 5th 2015, 2:49 PM

    I’m late coming to this thread and, as an atheist am in the uncomfortable position to backing a priest in this matter. However, the estimable Fr. McVerry has toiled at the coal face of suffering and deprivation year in and year out for a very long time indeed. He knows whereof he speaks. Kelly, on the other hand has now been promoted to “Big Ignorant Government Thug Mark2″ since the promotion of Hogan. I know whose opinion I will take.

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    May 5th 2015, 1:50 PM

    His Australian cousin Ned had more of a social conscience. There are so many BRATS in this government and he’s the biggest. A true successor of Big (idiot) Phil.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:08 AM

    People signed a contract and took out a mortgage they can’t afford. How is that not their own responsibility? Are they not adults?

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    May 5th 2015, 11:10 AM

    Who takes out a mortgage that they cannot afford at the time ?

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    May 5th 2015, 11:15 AM

    The commitment on a mortgage is 25-35 years – not just “at the time”. And if you default on it, the house is the collateral & the bank can take it back – they already own it until you make your last payment anyway. This is the whole premise of a mortgage. Why should there be exemptions? If you can’t afford to pay for it, why do you get to keep it?
    It’s a contract signed by consenting adults. Honour it.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:22 AM

    A lot of people cannot ‘honour it’ because of those banks being bailed out with taxpayer money .

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    May 5th 2015, 11:23 AM

    Like your new account by the way :)

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    May 5th 2015, 11:24 AM

    *,by the way :) Not calling you by the way ,by the way .

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    May 5th 2015, 11:25 AM

    “A lot of people cannot ‘honour it’ because of those banks being bailed out with taxpayer money .”

    Those 2 things aren’t even connected.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:05 PM

    Chris -do you know how many houses were in arrears in 2007 ? I haven’t looked into it myself ..so I would be interested in your reasoning for not connecting the two . Thanking you in advance .

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    May 5th 2015, 12:14 PM

    That was before the recession, which affected everyone. The bank bailout did not affect my ability to pay my bills or my earnings.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:16 PM

    @Chris, peoples slashed take home pay from relentless austerity measures and the many thousands who lost their jobs during the crash are “connected” to many of these mortgage arrears, but don’t let that cloud your holier than thou attitude just because austerity hasn’t caused you any undue financial hardships compared to some.

    But who knows what the future might hold for you or maybe members of your extended family?.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:36 PM

    Nice one ,Whynotme!

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    May 5th 2015, 12:52 PM

    I guarantee you live at home ,living off bank of mum and dad, concentrate on your leaving cert or you’ll end up bitterly disappointing them and they’ll have to cut off your allowance.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:57 PM

    He’s a very prominent figure in ‘YFG’ is Aido -oops!

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    May 5th 2015, 1:28 PM

    @Oggie, prominent member of YFG usually means Daddy and Mammy are in well paid jobs well able to put their golden boy through college and give him plenty of pocket money and with plenty of friends in high places to give their precious a little helping hand in finding a well paid job just like Daddy and Mammy once he finishes college, no need for golden boy to sully the good name of the family by joining the tracksuits at the local social welfare office.

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    May 5th 2015, 1:46 PM

    he probably lives with mammy. as the bank bailout affected every ones earnings or maybe on 12 thousand or under.

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    May 5th 2015, 1:57 PM

    36, married, 2 kids, house owner. Dropped out of college. Parents paid for nothing for me. I started my own business in 2003 and gave guitar lessons to make ends meet.

    Sorry.

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    May 5th 2015, 2:14 PM

    Highly indebted people will now be out on their streets strutting their guitars .

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    May 5th 2015, 2:17 PM

    why are you apologising for what you have its you attitude against people less fortunate to still have a good wage or a job that has fallen on hard times you should be sorry for (i am all right jack f@ck you) a lot of people have been lucky but they have empathy for others.

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    May 5th 2015, 2:26 PM

    Chris they signed a contract but they didn’t collapse the economy the banks did by lending oceans of money to property developers speculators private businesses.The home owners had jobs so the only people to blame are bankers and politicians they are all well paid to do their jobs and look after the people and country.But sadly ff fg labour were and are incompetent at there jobs you sound very neo liberal.Look chris under stand this we had JOBS but because of bad banking and bad political choices we lost those good jobs now we have cheap labour do you under stand chris stop blaming the people blame the people who were at the steering at the time of the crash.

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    May 5th 2015, 3:06 PM

    fully tax compliant on guitar lessons are we chris?

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    May 5th 2015, 3:15 PM

    Oggie, notice that Councillior Malachy Quinn is heavily featured on this account – as in several others?

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    May 5th 2015, 4:30 PM

    I didn’t to be honest with you,Sheik:) but it wouldn’t surprise me . I just laugh out loud at them when they say ,’honour it’ -as if the majority of people in trouble were trying to dodge paying as much as they can . Very up their own arse .As much of a businessman as Sean Mahoney ! Oh wait #lol

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    May 5th 2015, 4:31 PM

    *very much up their own arse

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    May 5th 2015, 6:35 PM

    But you’re not striking the right chord here Ted

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    May 5th 2015, 7:18 PM

    Chris – With a surname – Bruton , are we surprised at your attitude ???

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    May 5th 2015, 8:03 PM
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    May 5th 2015, 8:28 PM

    As the late Frank Carson would say ‘ it’s a cracker’ ,Al .

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    May 6th 2015, 8:19 AM

    I don’t wear my underpants on the outside for nothing Oggie.

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    May 5th 2015, 2:32 PM

    I find a lot of people actually think he’s a fine Gael td.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:23 AM

    There needs to be a 50,000% increase in repossession orders.

    Too many people are living in properties they cannot afford.

    Tens of thousands remain over 2 years in arrears.

    It’s been over 7 years since this mess started.
    Time to bring it all to an end.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:26 AM

    Where are you planning to house those people you plan to toss out of their houses Roberta?

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    May 5th 2015, 11:28 AM

    Agreed. But the bleeding hearts want to let everyone off with money they borrowed, without actually explaining where they think the money is going to come from.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:33 AM

    “Where are you planning to house those people you plan to toss out of their houses Roberta?”

    Why is it her problem? They can go rent another house, or rent it back off the bank. The house is still there; it isn’t getting demolished or anything. So the number of people vs houses stays the same.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:41 AM

    Roberta before I comment I feel the need to check … are you mentally competent?

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    May 5th 2015, 11:49 AM

    Rent.

    Like I do.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:50 AM

    @ Jonathan Bambury
    Yes.
    And financially so too.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:24 PM

    Roberta what’s the difference between your rent paid and a mortgage on same property ?

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    May 5th 2015, 12:30 PM

    @Jonathan Bambury
    Roberta what’s the difference between your rent paid and a mortgage on same property ?

    At a 4% interest rate, my rent of €1,500 services the interest payment on a €450,000 mortgage.
    They are currently selling for €100,000 less.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:36 PM

    Exactly now do you think that the people who are struggling to pay mortgages between 800pm and 1200pm are going to be able to afford rent at same ? Let alone the higher mortgage areas also do you think if the bank kick you out they forgive all debt ?

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    May 5th 2015, 12:45 PM

    @Jonathan Bambury
    Exactly now do you think that the people who are struggling to pay mortgages between 800pm and 1200pm are going to be able to afford rent at same ?

    Simple.
    Rent in a cheaper area.

    There’s almost 1,000 properties listen in that price region currently on daft.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:45 PM

    @Jonathan Bambury
    Exactly now do you think that the people who are struggling to pay mortgages between 800pm and 1200pm are going to be able to afford rent at same ?

    Simple.
    Rent in a cheaper area.

    There’s almost 1,000 properties listed in that price region currently on daft.

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    May 5th 2015, 1:01 PM

    Only thing simple about your double post is the poor creature that posted … rent 8 a cheaper area will probably involve a hour commute each way to save a few hundred on rent … which will cost you at least 100 in fuel alone to cover …. get out your crayons there and try doing a costing

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    May 5th 2015, 1:02 PM

    Also there is no need to copy and paste my comment when replying it falls into place with out even having to put in my name …

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    May 5th 2015, 1:10 PM

    @Jonathan Bambury

    Only thing simple about your double post is the poor creature that posted … rent 8 a cheaper area will probably involve a hour commute each way to save a few hundred on rent … which will cost you at least 100 in fuel alone to cover …. get out your crayons there and try doing a costing.

    Yes.
    Just like the rest of us used to do before we could afford to move closer to work.
    People who cant afford to live in their current homes need to move to an area they can afford.
    It’s not rocket science, just common sense.

    Let me get this straight, I’m not saying the move will be painless.
    It most certainly won’t.
    But it’s both necessary and fair.

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    May 5th 2015, 1:36 PM

    roberta, why dont you show your real self . at least most of the commentators have the decency to be seen. youre only a coward hiding behind a false account

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    May 5th 2015, 1:52 PM

    Ah to be fair now Derek you could only make comments like that from behind a false identity….. you couldn’t stand up and claim people in mortgage trouble should be evicted or volunteer to move out and pay same as their mortgage in rent or commute and spend what you have saved on travel all the while forgetting that it’s not being able to afford the supposed bills in the first place that has them in trouble.
    This poor creatures logic is if I can’t afford champagne I will get 2 bottles of prosecco instead.

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    May 5th 2015, 7:55 PM

    Ha !

    Classic.

    Ad Hominem.

    The last refuge of those who lose the argument.

    Well done.

    But please, email me directly on robertaanderson88@gmail.com.

    I’m shockingly real !

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    May 6th 2015, 1:34 AM

    Shockingly real?
    You are the fakest bloody thing i have had the displeasure to come across in a long long time,
    not to mention dumb asa bag of rocks to boot.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:45 AM

    Why did people buy homes for ridiculous prices or build big mansions that they couldn’t afford or with no thought if there would be a change in Economy in the future .
    People should learn a lesson from this but unfortunately don’t think they will.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:03 PM

    Greed.

    Plasterers earning €2k per week and thinking the good times would never end, so they over extended on a €420k shoebox with no driveway, that’s now worth €220k.

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    May 5th 2015, 12:25 PM

    That comment proves your a dumbass

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    May 5th 2015, 12:45 PM

    *you’re.

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    May 5th 2015, 1:04 PM

    Oh score there !! Kudos you’reself!!

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    May 5th 2015, 2:50 PM

    Chris thats a very small minority of people your talking about there may be the employer but certainly not the worker on the ground may be between 600 and 700 if they were lucky take home.Don’t forget interest rates were high during the so called “boom”

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    May 5th 2015, 10:12 PM

    @ Chris….and what little humble job do you have?

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    May 5th 2015, 12:51 PM

    Luckily I don’t have a mortgage but from my perspective it seems that the issue most who do face is the rising costs of the repayments and subsequently the rising overall cost. I don’t agree with mortgage forgiveness but do think that the government should force a mortgage freeze.

    A five year freeze on interest rates and penalties meaning the overall cost can’t increase even if the term is extended should help as if you go to the bank and work out a payment plan it won’t cost more in the long run

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    May 5th 2015, 2:02 PM

    I drove a taxi for few years and did bit of security work and would talk to my own shadow …. so I get a broad range of conversation from different people. What I can put my hand on my heart and say is true is
    1 the cost of living here is still at 2008 level
    2 earning is at 1990 levels
    3 there is a absolute gulf of difference between those struggling and those doing okay
    4 there is very little honesty about the state of the country
    5 we have no hope of change without dismantling government and a lot of civil service.
    6 too much of the population is too close to government or civil service to let this happen or even honestly admit problems.

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    May 5th 2015, 5:27 PM

    Kelly is tipped to be the next labour leader in waiting. I hope this happens as it will ensure the liars will not be in goverment for decades to come. At this stage labours coffin is made of nails only.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:29 AM

    500% sound like a lot but its from a really low base.

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    May 5th 2015, 10:51 AM

    One is one too many.

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    May 5th 2015, 11:16 AM

    So the O’Donnell should have been left in Gorse Hill?

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    May 5th 2015, 6:31 PM

    It’s all electioneering, simple as that. They’ll spend only what the Troika will allow and only then on issues that might increase likelihood of votes.

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    May 5th 2015, 6:31 PM

    Father McVerry is principled and he daily sees the social reality.

    Minister and his Magnificence Most High, Lord of the Environment and Master of Housing Policy, is less well informed.

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    May 5th 2015, 6:01 PM

    “If I was the minister, I’d be embarrassed making the announcement.”

    So your headline was misleading then. He didn’t say he’d be embarrassed to be Alan Kelly.

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    May 6th 2015, 8:14 AM

    That amounts to 184000€ per house? Someone’s gonna get rich building them lol. If it costs 50 or even 100,000€ per house the builder will walk away with a big pile of taxpayers money

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    May 5th 2015, 11:21 PM

    Fr.Mc Verry should be embarrassed by his comments.

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    May 5th 2015, 2:07 PM

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    May 6th 2015, 8:13 AM

    Jaysus. I despair. Just don’t vote for politicians; you’ll only encourage them

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