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Stigma 'When a doctor can say to you when filling out a sick cert: "Will I just put depression, or…?"'

We have a long way to go in this country when it comes to our approach to mental health matters, writes Jen Ronan.

IT REALLY SAYS something about the issue of stigma surrounding mental health when I was overdue with this piece for mental health-related reasons of my own.

I was terrified I’d let it go so long, and that the folks at See Change (who in real life actually have the patience of saints) would never want to work with me again because I was so unreliable and lazy.

The truth was that getting to write this article for them, and by extension TheJournal.ie, was something I jumped at at the chance to do, and nothing (apart from dodgy brain chemistry and a massive fear of failure) was going to stop me.

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But I digress. It’s still an example of how stigma can be a crippling nemesis in the battle for our mental health, even within ourselves.

While I can be seen and heard on a regular basis on most social media platforms and regularly on TV3’s The Elaine Show talking about (when relevant) my own experiences with self-harm, depression, and generalised anxiety disorder, I still find it incredibly hard to reach out and contact someone when I’m right in the eye of a mental health storm.

It’s always far easier to chat informatively about such horrors when they’re in your rear-view mirror, because at that stage, it’s over.

I’ve told myself that I came through it, so I’m fine now. That’s more palatable to my sense of self-worth as opposed to me reaching out to a friend, crying incoherently, breathing erratically, unwashed and terrified, afraid of being alone with my own brain a second longer for fear that I’ll never really quite make it back into daylight.

Everyone loves a success story

Everybody loves a success story, you say to yourself. Share it. Tell them all about the waking nightmares and the fact that you didn’t shower or eat an actual hot meal for over a week because you know deep down inside that you’re not worth the effort. Tell them about how you scream hate-mantras into the mirror in the wee small hours of the morning.

Show them everything. Leave no manky stone unturned, help others while you do it. But make sure you do it in the past tense, from a well-constructed blog post, or from a podium to an audience, scrubbed up well for once.

It’s easier for you, and everyone else, that way. It’s safer. The horse is back in the stable again, and all is well. Except that it’s not. And not just with the problem of personal stigma.

Mental health matters

We have a long way to go in this country when it comes to our approach to mental health matters. It’s certainly not as bad as it used to be, but that’s not good enough when there’s a body count involved in how we measure good and bad results.

When a doctor can say to you when filling out a sick cert: “So, what do you want me to write down, will I just put depression, or…?” (this has happened to me), there’s still stigma attached to mental health issues.

Now I don’t know if it points to the doctor’s own attitude to it, or if he was trying to word it the best way possible in case of an unsupportive employer, but it’s certainly worth noting. (I’m very supported and minded where I work by the way, I know others are not so lucky. That’s for anther day.)

Community love

Where you really see the stigma around issues in mental health being absolutely destroyed is within all of our local communities, on a non-government organisational level.

People are mad as hell, they’re losing loved ones needlessly every year to suicide and living with long-term effects of debilitating mental illness, and they’re not going to take it anymore.

They volunteer, they donate, they share, they reach out, they set up groups and get training to help those in immediate distress, they walk the bridges at night offering conversation and human connection, they pull people back from the brink of despair, both spiritually and physically, on a regular basis, and they ask for nothing for themselves.

The proof of a disappearing stigma on a community level is in the rising numbers. Next month will see campaigns like Green Ribbon and Darkness Into Light happening, and they both grow hugely every year in terms of how many get involved, and more importantly, stay involved.

If we all could take more example from the wonderful communities and people they represent, we’d be a mental health utopia.

Until then, let’s keep supporting the likes of Aware, See Change, Spun Out, The Samaritans, Pieta House, Marine Rescue Services, other suicide prevention groups, and other organisations far too many to mention here. I’ll also do my bit to stamp out the self-imposed stigma surrounding my own mental health issues, and try to practice what I preach. Deal?

Limerick blogger, Jen Ronan, is no stranger to sharing her stories in public. As a regular panellist on TV3′s Midday and occasionally on radio and in magazines, she’s always maintained that mental illness should be discussed out in the open to help those dealing with issues. In May each year, See Change and its partner organisations run the Green Ribbon campaign to get Ireland talking about mental health. This year, 500,000 green ribbons will be distributed nationwide and free of charge in conjunction with hundreds of local and national events. Visit www.greenribbon.ie for more information.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:38 PM

    Fake outrage, purely because he criticises them and their policies. If he agreed with them, then they’d have no problem with him “interfering”, i.e expressing his opinions. A bunch of authoritarians is all they are.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:50 PM

    Simp harder for the billionaire, simp. HARDER!

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:53 PM

    @Chop Chop: Musk, like Trump and JK Rowling, was a media darling until he began to criticise “the left” “the narrative” “woke ideology” whatever you want to call it, the “general consensus” amongst politicians, the media, celebrities etc.. Once he began to do that, the hit pieces started, to change public opinion against him. It’s a tactic that they use quite successfully, and it works on a lot of people. Here’s one example from the Guardian of all places, singing his praises in 2013 ww.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/24/tech-128-2013-was-the-year-of-the-dark-web-elon-musk-and-h-from-steps (you have to edit the link as I can’t post it in full)

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:54 PM

    @F1rYnpWc: Off to bed now sonny. Adults talking.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:01 PM

    @Chop Chop: nice made up story bro. Keep simping for the billionaires, they’re on your side, the peasant worker! lol

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:03 PM

    @Chop Chop: Yes, he was better before he started to promote misinformation and far-right propaganda, obviously. Being far-right yourself, of course you’re not going to see this.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:05 PM

    @F1rYnpWc: ok

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:08 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: “he was fine until he disagreed with me” What a childish attitude you have.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:18 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: mainstream politicians & their NGO and MSM buddies want to have a monopoly on misinformation.
    If it wasn’t for X/YT/Facebook, etc – and notwithstanding the fact that they contain plenty of misinformation – we would never be afforded the opportunity to hear the real story.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:21 PM

    @Chop Chop: I gave you credit for a bit more intelligence. Read my comment again.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:30 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: To be honest, I don’t really need to read any of your posts as they’re so predictable.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:33 PM

    @Chop Chop: I’d say Musk was well under the radar, until he accused an innocent man of being a paedophile. Tesla cars are lovely, but funding a man who thinks nothing of spreading dangerous lies, turns my stomach.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:54 PM

    @Trolls R’ us : brenny, you reckon every poster on journal.ie is ( your favourite term , along with ‘simp’) ‘far right’ ?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:23 PM

    @Chop Chop: Ha ha! And yours aren’t?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:27 PM

    @Chop Chop: get back up that mountain, Journal-Clickbait.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:11 PM

    @Thomas Sheridan: do you realise how absurd that comment is ??

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:49 PM

    @sean weir: no

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    Jan 17th 2025, 1:53 AM

    @Dave G Doe: How long does it take you to come up with the most obvious retort possible.

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    Jan 17th 2025, 2:58 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: funny how you always see the lefties spout promote misinformation and far right propaganda, and think we all believe their woke tearful shite

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:31 PM

    Stop giving the guy oxygen delete you x accounts stop buying his cars

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:40 PM

    @Tim Brennan: knockout Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp while you’re at it…he’s not the only villain in the massive Internet room

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:32 PM

    @Tim Brennan: No
    ‘Liberal boy’ The ‘far-right’ rule now! Get used to it. You lot are in the rubbish dump of history. God bless President Trump and everyone who is ‘far-right’…

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    Jan 16th 2025, 11:18 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: Ye rednecks love shooting up any product ye disagree with but when “lefty Liberals” Boycott something ye throw your toys outta the pram. Go shoot some more Bud light

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    Jan 17th 2025, 8:11 AM

    @Dave G Doe: And doing it in electric cars

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    Jan 17th 2025, 12:30 PM

    @FoxyBoiiYT: Is english your first language? You seem to be struggling somewhat.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:54 PM

    More intolerance from the “tolerant” left wing LearJet Liberals

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:59 PM

    @Paul: You must have been asleep when the right wing loons started banning books, rolling back on lgbt rights, rolling back on womens rights etc etc. The only people calling for these erosions of rights are… *drum roll* the right wing loons. Off ya fk.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:02 PM

    @Ian: Books that teach children about fisting should be banned. If I’m a “right wing loon” for thinking that, then I’ll happily wear that badge.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:37 PM

    @Ian: Hey boy! We will always fight against books that sexualise kids. As for 147 genders…(LOL!!!) You far-leftist wokist’s day is done. Watch out boy…MAGA

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:40 PM

    @Chop Chop: Be proud! Be right! Proud to be ‘far-right’!

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:12 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: what a feckwit

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:31 PM

    @Chop Chop: You’re the most brainwashed person on here. Get some fresh air.

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    Jan 17th 2025, 12:47 AM

    @Dave G Doe: Trump deliberately walking in miss town usa changing rooms when the underage girls were changing. Supporting a paedo is on brand fir you alright

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:39 PM

    Elon Musk is without doubt dangerous, then again so is Zuckerberg who has changed his position with Trump coming on line,…then again so is Soros, who are all basically in a battle for the new frontier of social media driven information as MSM and TV stations heamorage, money from ads, drop off of viewership as eveyone streams information,
    Soros is losing badly,.but this won’t end well no matter who wins, especially with AI,.
    World is gonna be a rollercoaster Ride

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:04 PM

    its usually the ones that are trying to do the silencing that are the corrupt ones

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:42 PM

    Oh the irony ,, MEP ‘s complaining about interference

    What’s that term again Hypo – something?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:39 PM

    No worries when it’s Soros though.

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    Jan 17th 2025, 7:42 AM

    @John Smith: when has Soros done this?

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    Jan 17th 2025, 3:01 PM

    @JoeJoe Kilbride: soros , Mr abortion. Need those stem cells to try and live forever

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:02 PM

    Musk is at least listening to the issues that the vast majority of people are concerned with, unlike EU elites who are pushing minority agendas.
    Damn the EU

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:17 PM

    @Gary Condren: Musk is an authoritarian. He’s not some fighter for free speech. He’d soon have the vast majority of us employed as worker ants.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:26 PM

    @Gary Condren: what? Musk doesn’t give a flying fk about anyone’s issues only his own. You cannot be so fkin gullible, yet here you are and all the other Musk simps fawning over the richest man in the world thinking he fkin cares about the likes of you lmfao

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:41 PM

    @Gary Condren: Well said buddy! MAGA

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:33 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: fk off to America, so.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 11:40 PM

    @Gary Condren: what issues are these?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:54 PM

    Time for the woke to go back asleep

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    Jan 17th 2025, 8:12 AM

    Elon the champion of woke all the same tho :)

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:43 PM

    Did they write about Soros?

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    Jan 17th 2025, 2:00 PM

    @Dan Murphy: Yes! They never shut up about him.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:27 PM

    Someone should tell musty Musk that it is 2025.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:06 PM

    @Patricia Mc namara: He knows. 2025. The year the libtards were consigned to the dustbin of history. MAGA

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:23 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: Facist POS

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    Jan 16th 2025, 11:39 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: why are you on an Irish outlet celebrating a cult that’s intent on putting US billionaires first, to the detriment of the rest of the world?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:49 PM

    The usual will be simping HARD for this dorķy billionaire. Bet they feel closer to being this billionaire than to their fellow broke coworker in their medǐôcře job

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:01 PM

    musk must be doing something right so
    Pity they were not so worried about the Gaza genocide many of the Irish MPs voting against the ceasefire over a year ago

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:01 PM

    @Kevin O Brien: Jayes that Musk rat is causing horrendous trouble all over the place and scaring the bejapers outa the lot of ye !

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:30 PM

    I’ve got no personal problem with Musk, but sometimes he can come out with some poorly-thought out or childish insults online. However, the fact that he founded SpaceX and StarLink as well as co-founding Tesla, PayPal and OpenAI means that he clearly brings much more to the table than people accuse him of taking away. There is a definitely lot of faux outrage coming from the EU. I don’t like the AFD at all. I think they’re economically illiterate when they come out in support of tariffs and against free trade. I don’t like the way they suck up to Russia and attack NATO. They also refuse to discuss raising the pension age to deal with German Social Security bankruptcy. However, Musk owns X and he is more than permitted to interview whoever he wants on it just like any other media company.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:43 PM

    Billionaires, they’re just like you and me. Who better to protect the interests of the ordinary man?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:03 PM

    He’s just Cun’ty McCun’tface.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:44 PM

    They should just let Musk pick the leaders from now on. Trump looks very happy under old Elon

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:53 PM

    @Solid Stait: Trump would wanna watch back. Vance is the tech bro’s man in there.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:48 PM

    Money talks, and that’s Musk,

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:00 PM

    @Ned: Jayes that Musk rat is causing horrendous trouble all over the place and scaring the bejapers outa the lot of ye !

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:34 PM

    What a load of s h 1 T

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:40 PM

    That letter of deep concern is going to make all the difference. That’ll stop him and his ilk in their tracks.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:21 PM

    Well he is stuk up Trumps but a horrible person both of them are horrible people

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    Jan 17th 2025, 7:37 AM

    Ah yes, writing letters will make him quiver in his boots…

    Funny how they didn’t write letters when twitter, insta, etc were altered to lean towards one narrative

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:24 PM

    He’s a troll. Unfortunately, he’s now a very powerful troll.

    If you fancy a laugh, look up “Musk Fake Gamer.” The lad’s ego is beyond fragile.

    It’s a shame, really, because he’s done quite a bit to advance our civilisation.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:22 PM

    It’s good fun to watch anyway.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 11:14 PM

    Paedo Space Karen needs to be stopped

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    Jan 17th 2025, 1:53 AM

    @Dave G Doe: Who mentioned far left?

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    Jan 17th 2025, 1:54 AM

    @Sprong: Wiped out like a kind of ‘…. solution’?

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    Jan 17th 2025, 8:14 AM

    @Dave G Doe: Lol!… That’s bad news for Musks family

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    Jan 17th 2025, 12:12 PM

    The dung is hitting the fan, and some people don’t like that.
    Good man Musk.

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