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THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN the Fianna Fáil logo and that adopted by the Reform Alliance for its conference in the RDS this weekend have been played down by Lucinda Creighton.
The TD and most prominent member of the nascent political alliance of expelled Fine Gael TDs pointed out that the use of the harp is not unusual given it’s the State’s national emblem, saying it’s “hardly original”.
The similarities between the logo and that of Fianna Fáil have been noted by several commentators including Transport Minister Leo Varadkar who said on Twitter earlier this week:
Creighton told TheJournal.ie yesterday that the emblem is being used for the conference in the RDS and said it is not the logo of the Reform Alliance.
“We don’t have one,” she insisted.
Fianna Fáil declined to comment.
Pics: Reform Conference/Fianna Fáil
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Has Lucinda ever heard of RyanAir ?
They might have something to say to her about using their logo
the harp faces different ways ..but where is justice and truth
Maybe a better name for this political party is “The Arch-conservative Religious Zealot Party”. They want to stagnate Ireland with their nineteenth century thinking. “Let’s ignore the will of the people” should be Creighton’s motto.
Their name is an exercise in irony alright.
Since when is a fundamentalist Christian party ‘reformey’??
Reformery as in lets re-form Devs Ireland.
Doing everything the opposite of what FF would is probably a simple but v effective strategy.
Less worrying about logos and focus on actual reform!
Creighton is a cretin
REFORM CONFERENCE = RC = ROMAN CATHOLIC
RC = REMOTE CONTROLLED
RC = Recycled Cretins
Classical example of a person with tons of ambition but zero talent, Lucinda get lost you ejiit, we have had enough of your type, get a job !
The reason for the backwards FF logo is that The New ‘RA is a honeytrap for dissident Fianna Fail members.
Enda and Lucinda have cooked up a cunning plan to form a faux splinter group that will lure in the rats leaving the sinking FF ship.
Come General Election time, Labour will be minced up into frankfurters by the electorate leaving FG to enter a co-alition with the RA (which will really be the remnants of FF in disguise).
FG die hards would never stand for an outright FG+FF co-alition, but a FG+RA one would be just fine.
Bravo, you crafty spinmeisters!
This makes absolute sense.
The Harp is the national symbol of Ireland, has been for centuries. It has been damaged as a political symbol though by its use by the FF crime gang.
Same sh1te different bag
Oh ah up the RA
Ireland MUST Vote YES to Lisbon for Jobs and Wealth – Creighton
sorry but she is a eurobot and a curtain twitching loon to boot. she always came accross as a yes man on VB’s show with no backbone
Could I suggest a Janus-like two-sided harp? Plays to ancient mythology yet hints at the two-faced…
It’s pretty obnoxious to call themselves “Reform Alliance” when their aim is to bring to country back to the 1950′s…
Damn straight!
Does Leo do anything ‘cept pout?
He pokes his nose in all areas of Govt, just like a Taoiseach should.
No time for any of them, but I thought Leo was above that stupid type of BS guess I was wrong.
If this group can’t even design a logo for their party banner then what hope do they have when they attempt to formulate their policies for so called reform? If your reading this Lucinda may I suggest a logo consisting of an empty speech or thought bubble! That I believe best represents you & your ‘party’.
Just give Ming a joint and a bag of crayons
Whatever motives are ascribed to her, whatever cheap abuse is hurled at her, Ms Creighton stands head and shoulders above the political elite in her integrity. She is reasonable, reflective and her actions speak even more eloquently than her words. Wait and see how like minded citizens are drawn to this bright light of honesty. To whip an intelligent and conscientious mind into line on a grave issue of conscience was wrong , wrong and wrong again and well they know it.
Pity she’s a f*cktard lol
Bright light of honesty? You mean bright light of fundamentalism.
And as for reasonable? You have to be kidding me Brian O’Flynn.
She is the personification of anti women’s rights.
Brian
You’re joking right?
Have you forgotten she was thrown iut if FG because she refused to abide by the will if the Irish People
What personal integrity can one have when they outsource their decision making criteria to what they reckon (but can’t say for certain) a deity up in the sky thinks??
Creighton is the far-right wing of FG. Look at her voting pattern in the Dail and you will see she voted for ever hurtful cut made against the weak and vulnerable and voted for low taxes and perks for the wealthy. That is her measure. She is not a christian as i understand christainity “Love thy neighbour” “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
Perhaps Leo should have gone to Specsavers.
Am I the only one who can’t see a crucifix in that logo?
They are on the same level as the “Criminals against drugs” groups of the 90′s
You are about as right-wing as Josef Stalin.
Rebel Alliance a more extremist favour of right of centre FG=FF=LP. Yet another buch of self serving power hungry egotistical free loading spongers.
The harp is our national emblem so I don’t see why the rodents of FF should have a monopoly on the image. If anything it looks like a Leinster rugby crest!
The harp is the perfect emblem, for what happenings in Ireland without someone pulling strings?
Brilliant. It is beyond all but make no mistake, this crowd will have huge appeal in certain sectors and they will steal a few scalps.
I’m sure if you look hard enough you’ll see something to do with the “iona” crowd on it
Shocked to see emblem devoid of any religious icons,
crosses, sacred holy hearts, virgin Mary’s, holy Mary’s, blessed Mary’s, hail Mary’s etc etc….
Backwards – how appropriate for a group who want to put Ireland back in the dark ages
RC = Rothschilds Chimps.
The most interesting part of the posts here, is the banality of the opposition to the potential new party. The childish repertoire of most of those putting Lucinda down, bodes very well for the new entity. So hopefully the next general election will present voters with a real new choice.
The three key areas of discussion in the RDS do not include catholic doctrine. Morality is just a guiding principle, the sweet background music that works with our conscience to ensure the applied politics are not merely feathering ones own nest. But tries to ensure real human rights, real freedom of expression, and protection of the most vulnerable against the growing selfishness pursued by the cult of individualism, and the growing intrusion of state into family.
If the thinking people of Ireland can again find their pride, perhaps history can repeat itself and we could again become a light for Europe and the world.
Paddy
“We could again become a light for Europe and the world” Er, what?
Could you enlighten us all on this bizarre comment please
@ Mr L.Jay
In the early middle ages, the dark ages was spread around Europe. It was the educated Irish that preserved culture as it had been known, and we were responsible for reintroducing culture and learning back into a lost Europe, through our monastic missionaries. I would claim Europe is again lost in a morass of individualism, and in need of some old fashioned civilization, which leads to care of the vulnerable, and support for families the root of society.
Jesus wept
:-/
Paddy
How very odd
I have to agree with you Paddy on most of that.
I think that if the did this properly they could easily be looking at 20 seats in a few years.
Paddy thinks irony is what girders taste like.
@ Cillian_Durkin
I agree.
The roots of this potential party are different to anything previously attempted. The existing politicians who were bullied for standing on principle and conscience, form a good platform. What is missing of course is the on the ground local political structure of foot soldiers and councillors; not to mention the finances the established parties have access to. But the chasm of disconnect between the people and the existing politicians, should help the reform effort. Imagine, a party of the people, for the people, by the people (all the people); that would be something new for Ireland. There has been far too much self interest in our politics.
Paddy
Do you believe in democracy or not?
It is a yes or no answer
A party for the people and by the people would be a party that enacts the wishes of the people. Not one that ignores those wishes if they aren’t compatible with their own “morality” or religious beliefs. I would Ireland to have a party that prioritises equality above all else and works for the betterment of society. A party of radicals, free thinkers and fearless commentators. A party not tied to the civil war history or the Celtic tiger largesse. But instead we get the reform alliance. A right wing, Conservative party made up of rejects and has-beens. In a country where the young are either disenfranchised, apathetic, outnumbered, increasingly isolated or emigrating, the RA are bound to succeed.
Jennifer
Excellent post
@ Mr L.Jay
Yes. Democracy is the best option we have today. But the democracy we’ve been experiencing, is one where we get to vote for politicians who offer all things to all men, and then do what is good for themselves.
I hope the new reform will be driven by sound principles, say what they intend to achieve, and then serve the public accordingly, if elected. Wouldn’t that be something new!
Paddy
I knew you couldnt answer with just one word!
This FG/Labour Government were only enacting the will if the Irish people who 20yrs previous had their say in a democratic referendum
All previous administrations failed to enact this
Creighton and co defied the will of the people in a democratic society
@ Jennifer Hislop
So you are looking for more left of the left that all of the existing parties lie on.
” A party of radicals, free thinkers and fearless commentators. “, sounds like a manifesto first published in 1848. You are of course referring to your interpretation of “equality”, which will of course include some been more equal than others (the child in the womb being the least equal of all).
My hope for the new party would be conservative in moral issues, with a radical social policy in support of the poor. A party which encourages decentralization and local responsibility.
If only all comments were restricted to one word. Please feel free to be verbose.
@ Shanti
Good old Shanti. Your avatar is quite ironic, I don’t associate world peace with your radical views. But I must admit I didn’t think you would promote an attitude of restrictive speech. I gave a one word reply in my first sentence, and then continued with my comment.
But your malice toward the church founded by Christ, which you work faithfully against, is consistent.
To the best of my knowledge gays in the church are proportional to gays in society as a whole. All persons are of course welcome in the church, there is nothing wrong with been homosexual.
But enough of your deflection.
I’m sure you are not a fan of the potential new party.
“To argue with a person who has renounced reason is like administering medicine to the dead” – Thomas Paine
Thank you Mr. L. Jay.
Paddy, I’m not going to get into the debate about the equal rights of an unborn foetus as the irony of you campaigning for them to be brought isn’t this world against the express wishes of the woman forced to birth them, only to decide to treat them as second class citizens if they happen to be gay not only baffles me, but disgusts me as well.
“All persons are of course welcome in the church, there is nothing wrong with been homosexual.”
Perhaps this is your position, it is not the position of the Catholic church. Well, at least the position of the church is that homosexuals are fine as long as they repress their homosexuality and don’t actually engage in it
The Vatican’s position is…
“homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” and homosexuality is an “inclination, which is objectively disordered, ”
I could go on….
@ Alan R
It must be the first time I’ve seen the quotes given correctly. But I believe the church calls gay persons to live their Catholicism in the same way they call other single persons. Because they ask single heterosexuals to remain chaste, is that an attempt to exclude all single persons from the church?
Cillian, yourself and Paddy are claiming credit for the Europe wide renaissance? Bit strong, don’t you think?
I said it before that the RA is music to the ears of the political classes.
The future hook up of FG and RA has likely already been written down in some backroom.
The RA intends to pull energy out of the frustration building with the system.
I posted in another article that I live in Meath East and whoever is independent, intelligent and decent will get my vote. Transfers will all go to the other independent, intelligent and decent people who have the will to sort this mess out.
FG/Moodys/IMF says we’re all doing great and our future is bright. Our finance minister even got the golden cleric award.
Our debt is over 200 billion and rising every second of every day. It’s perpetual now. All I see around me is needy and frustrated people.
If they have no intention of forming a new party, why do they need this sad logo?
I don’t like Vradakar but that is funny, Fianna Fáil backwards, kinda not sure who should be more insulted!
This is what it would look like if the Leinster Rugby and Ryanair logos had a baby.
That logo is like Leinster rugby lol
I am going to vote for the Reform Alliance. They are what Fine Gael used to be in the good old days.
Racist Eoin is back.
Missed ya buddy!
Kisses…. xxx
Haha thanks buddy, missed you too!!!
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