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Would you vote for a Right2Water party? This is what their policies would be

Would you vote for them?

TWO WEEKS FROM today, the Right2Water group is holding the first of a series of conferences to politicise the movement.

Ahead of the conference, Right2Water have put together an policy document to lay out their position on a range of issues.

The group says the document is “not exhaustive and should be expanded upon”.

They are seeking input from the public ahead of a deadline set for Tuesday 2 June.

PastedImage-86865 Water protest march in Dublin last month. Leah Farrell / Photocall Ireland Leah Farrell / Photocall Ireland / Photocall Ireland

What does the document say?

Water

The group document says Irish Water should be abolished within 100 days of a government taking office.

Instead, they want “a single national water and sanitation board” that is protected by the constitution. As such, their platform includes a referendum to enshrine in the constitution that the provision of water is the responsibility of government.

Right2Water also want investment of between €6 billion and €7 billion in the water infrastructure. This should be funded through “a progressive taxation model”, details of which they say will be published on the day of the conference on 13 June.

PastedImage-85611 Brenda Ogle (L) of Right2Water says the group will endorse people running for election.

Jobs

Right2Water say they would introduce a Decent Work Act.

This would seek to strengthen workers’ contracts and “eliminate precarious employment”. It would also seek to “provide under-employed workers with the right to seek additional hours in their workplace when they become available”.

Right2Water says that a  medium-term goal should be to make the living wage the statutory floor when calculating the national minimum wage. 

Housing

The document argues that rent control should be introduced in the short-term.

In the longer-term, Right2Water is arguing for the provision of, “income-related rental accommodation to low and average income earners.”

 

They also want a national home building project and a programme to allow people own their own homes through “limited equity ownership”.

Other issues

Right2Water also want any future government to built alliances with other anti-austerity parties in Europe to promote “responsible debt reduction strategies for people across Europe”.

On education, the group says that education should be “truly free, without the necessity for ‘voluntary contributions’, up to at least primary degree level.

They are also seeking more funding for apprenticeships and a jobs policy that promotes “labour intensive industries”.

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On political reform, Right2Water says an election every five years “provides too large a gap for real democratic representation.” They want citizens to be able to recall TDs before the end of each Dáil.

A number of submissions from the public have already been received by Right2Water and can be read alongside the policy document.

Right2Water has said that it will endorse candidates in next general election but has stopped short of saying right now that it will run candidates.

A group of anti-water-charge politicians also recently released a joint statement calling for nationwide activists to meet ahead of the conferences.

Read: AAA sends legal letter to Sinn Féin amid anti-water charge infighting in Limerick >

Read: Why aren’t the Irish protesting? A question that was being asked a few years ago. Not anymore. >

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    Mute Sandra Turner
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    May 30th 2015, 7:33 AM

    I thought there would be a poll.

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    Mute Waddler Mooney
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    May 30th 2015, 8:24 AM

    Right2Water have outlined some progressive policies above but have adopted a very weak position in the battle against the water charge itself. They have failed to call for a mass boycott of the water charge as the key weapon to defeat this hated banker tax and their silence in the face of the bills dropping is deafening.

    It’s time for the people to stand up now and refuse to allow the ransacking of the country to continue. Boycott the Water charge. Can’t pay. Won’t pay.
    https://www.facebook.com/WeWontPayTheWaterCharges

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    May 30th 2015, 8:32 AM

    proud to pay :)

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    Mute Original Cynic
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    May 30th 2015, 9:15 AM

    Proud to Boycott!

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    Mute James Gorman
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    May 30th 2015, 9:20 AM

    ‘Single National Water Board’?
    Do they mean a glorified committee or a utility company like IW except enshrined in public ownership?

    If it’s the former then what will replace what IW currently does? i.e. who manages the capital investment and related works?

    If it’s the latter then it’s just Irish Water under another name except guaranteed under state ownership forever.

    The document commits to 6 or 7 billion euro investment raised through ‘progressive taxation’. It looks like an inefficient costly State quango paid for by those who work only while those who don’t work can leave the tap on 24 hours a day since metering is stopped.

    IW is tied into multiple costly legally binding service agreements. The document references the the legal contributors but omits to say how much it will cost to unwind these contracts and also the thousands of staff contracts involved in billing/call centre/meter reading.

    My guess is that to unwind IW and related contracts would cost a conservative billion euro and Right to Water know this and that it is not actually feasible. However this is irrelevant since the people here also know they will never be in government to actually implement it so it’s a clever sham to get a handy Dail seat.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:21 AM

    @Patjoe, you truely are the epitome of the thick Mick. Anyone that would pay in light of Siteserv and the most recent DoB revelations is nothing but an utter fool. Good luck explaining that one to your children.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:44 AM

    James,
    You destroyed the credibility of your own comment with this gem of ludicrous bile directed at the unemployed:

    “whille those who don’t work can leave the tap on 24 hours a day since metering is stopped.”

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    Mute MK76
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    May 30th 2015, 10:16 AM

    @Ronan So paying your way makes you thick?

    Like a comment out an episode of Benefit Street.

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    May 30th 2015, 10:21 AM

    So the AAA warriors are back. Thought they’d disappeared with their non appearance in the most important referendum in our country for a long time. Says it all about the viability of AAA as a political entity outside of their one and only policy

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    Mute MK76
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    May 30th 2015, 10:31 AM

    They’re still in Greece celebrating the success of socialist policies there.

    Oh wait….

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    May 30th 2015, 10:33 AM

    A single issue “don’t pay €160 per year” rabble now have opinions on education, employment, housing, minimum wage and the very functioning of our democracy?!

    Lol. Maybe their second policy should be adhering to High Court Orders and respecting others doing their jobs.

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    Mute Seán O'Ceallaghan
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    May 30th 2015, 10:42 AM

    So wait they want to tax us more?

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    Mute James Gorman
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    May 30th 2015, 10:42 AM

    Apologies Waddler I meant those ‘who have no intention of ever working’. Those who do will hopefully be back in the workforce soon.

    Fixed now. Take it the rest stands up??

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    May 30th 2015, 11:04 AM
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    May 30th 2015, 11:14 AM

    Ken, excellent article by a very courageous journalist who has been in the cross hairs of O Brien’s legal teams no doubt as many journalists are. It should be shared and read by all. I cannot understand how our white collar laws are so lax that criminal charges did not follow this tribunal’s findings.
    O Brien might be a billionaire but I’d rather have my integrity and good reputation than that tribunal report against my name. Same applies to Lowry and shame on the Tipp people for keeping him in the Dail.

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    May 30th 2015, 11:19 AM

    Most important refurendum my arse will you come back into reality what change to the vast majority of the population has it made compared to the likes of the Lisbon treaty which we are all suffer from due to all the stupid EU laws it alllow to come into force such as these water charges

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    May 30th 2015, 12:28 PM

    proud to work fro Irish water?

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    Mute ciaran
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    May 30th 2015, 2:24 PM

    amazing how the reporter and gov lackies deliberately miss the reason there is a right to water movement and instead focus on negatives in a futile attempt to discredit anybody associated with it

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    May 30th 2015, 2:42 PM

    paying your way three times makes you very thick

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    May 30th 2015, 3:52 PM

    Shame on the Drumcondra crowd for keeping Bertie in the Dail.

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    May 30th 2015, 4:39 PM

    “Most important refurendum my arse will you come back into reality what change to the vast majority of the population has it made compared to the likes of the Lisbon treaty which we are all suffer from due to all the stupid EU laws it alllow to come into force such as these water charges”

    The Lisbon Treaty has *nothing* to do with these water charges.

    The water framework directive is from 2000. The government had years to comply with its provisions, and buckets of money with which to do so, and instead negotiated a so-called “exemption” and wasted money filling the pockets of special interests.

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    May 30th 2015, 5:05 PM

    MK76, I don’t know why you are referencing a UK TV show? But to simplify what I am saying. People like me who pay our taxes and travel the N11, N4 etc on a daily basis are not like previous generations who were willing to accept blatant corruption and cronyism. We work hard and are demanding better.

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    May 30th 2015, 5:24 PM

    And just to add MK76, I and everyone else like me pays more tax in this country p.a. than Siteserv’s NonDom Do’B.

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    May 30th 2015, 6:17 PM

    James Gorman. It’s the people of North Tipperary that continue elect him. Just like to point out that up to now the voters in South tipp have had no control over it. Hopefully now that the county has been joined together and there’s one less seat he’ll be out on his ear.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:06 PM

    Anto,
    You’re a misinformed clown. The AAA campaigned vigorously for a yes vote in the marriage equality referendum.

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    Mute MK76
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    May 30th 2015, 8:28 PM

    Triple A Golden Maverick were no where to be seen and the spite in your response shows a nerve has been touched.

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    Mute Waddler Mooney
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    May 30th 2015, 8:56 PM

    Don’t flatter yourself MK. You and your fellow government party hacks don’t bother me in the slightest other than eating into my Saturday night time in order to correct your lies.

    Now here’s a snapshot of some of the AAA campaign activity for a Yes vote

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/anti-austerity-alliance-urges-voters-to-turn-out-for-yes-campaign-1.2218458
    http://ruthcoppinger.com/press-statement-anti-austerity-alliance-17th-february/

    I personally canvassed at stalls and door to door for a yes vote in Dublin 15 and in the Carlow Kilkenny by election over many days/evenings as well as hanging dozens of “Discrimination Damages Lives” posters.

    Now party hack, what did you do to support the Yes campaign?

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    May 30th 2015, 8:57 PM
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    May 30th 2015, 8:58 PM
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    May 30th 2015, 7:35 AM

    I live in a rural area and have a private well and biocycle unit. I’d love to see this party’s policies on how I could assert my right2water as so far they only seem concerned about the rights of people living in built up areas.

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    Mute Jane Dwyer
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    May 30th 2015, 7:36 AM

    No

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    Mute CitizenSmith©
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    May 30th 2015, 7:38 AM

    True Denito, they are happy enough for you to subsidise their water but not a user pays system.

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    May 30th 2015, 7:45 AM

    Free domestic well maintenance! Yayyy!

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    May 30th 2015, 7:51 AM

    @denito very true. I find this to be the case for a lot of these water charge insurgents. They tend to forget about people who pay for group water schemes, paid for wells and paid for their own wastewater treatment systems. If they would make a clear case once in a while and stick to it I could get on board much easier. Paying for water should not be the argument. Paying an overloaded with management organization gravy train for water is different.

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    May 30th 2015, 7:55 AM

    I also have a private well but as sure as theres shit in a goose they will want to tax you and me for it being there and the privelege of paying for it’s upkeep.
    Yes I would vote for a party that wants to protect my right to a natural resource. I’ll vote yes to a group with the citizen being more important than the €uro.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:24 AM

    Agree with Tom Pollard. Any party or group will b able to please some of the ppl some of the time but not all the ppl all the time. I’ll vote for any party that puts the citizens first ahead of corporations and figures. It’s all about stats now we are all just numbers.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:41 AM

    Denito,
    You weren’t forced to dig that private well to pay for the banker’s debts. In contrast Irish Water has been established as another mechanism through which the citizens are to be fleeced to pay for the systemic failure of speculative financial capitalism in 2008.

    This is why our Troika ‘partners’ made it a condition of the bailout (stitch up) agreed with the FF/Green government in 2010. The IMF & ECB could not care less about maintaining and upgrading our water network and conservation which is the fairytale justification for the charges peddled endlessly by establishment. We could be all drinking slurry as far as Mario Draghi is concerned. What Mario is interested in though is the €1.2 billion + that the Irish citizens currently pay annually to run the water and sewerage systems.

    If the water charges are successfully enforced, then this €1.2 billion annual revenue stream can instead be diverted to meet the repayments on Ireland’s ‘bailout’ loans (plus interest) used to directly cover private and illegitimate banking debt. In this way the EU & IMF gets to have the Eurozone banking system stabilized at the expense of the Irish people and we get to pay for the privilege through Water charges, Home tax, USC, vicious health, education and social support cutbacks, Pension levy and the extra 3 years added to our working lives etc etc etc..

    It’s an ingenious neo liberal Catch 22 and we are the chumps. It’s time for the people to stand up now and refuse to allow the ransacking of the country to continue. Boycott the Water charge. Can’t pay. Won’t pay.

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    Mute sunshine
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    May 30th 2015, 8:48 AM

    Was thinkin the same thing. Have they factored in the cost of providing water to all the people who already provide and pay for their own water? As for 6-7billion of exchequer money – that is total pie in the sky. IF there was that kind of money to be got, there are hospitals where people are dying for the want of a bit of care, people on waiting lists for various procedures – including life threatening ones, children being taught in overcrowded classrooms …. And in the end the people will still provide that money, question is WHICH people!

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    May 30th 2015, 8:50 AM

    got by bill, it was only a few quid, paid up and got on with my life :)

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    Mute Reg
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    May 30th 2015, 8:59 AM

    Water does need a lot of investment and that money will have to come from general taxation and borrowing. For households to make a direct contribution makes sense. Yes the implementation has been poor but these guys are certainly not the answer. Pay up and move on. As some have already pointed out they’ve always had to pay for their water. There’s no reason why the rest shouldn’t make a direct contribution.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:01 AM

    Gene, The main motivation behind most water activists I know isn’t actually paying for water, its the fact that this is clearly laying the foundation for the privatisation of our water. Once water is charged for as a commodity, EU law will insist upon it being ‘liberalised’, which will mean some multinational like veolia or its ilk, or worse yet our good friend [REDACTED] swooping in and buying up our water services. At that point we won’t end up paying for fixing our infrastructure, we’ll end up paying for the profits and dividend payment of that companies shareholdings.

    If we look at the experiences of water privatisation across the Irish sea, The average payments are around 500 pounds a year, and in some areas much higher. Yet, in places like the southeast and London, they have massive leakage problems still. Thames Water which services that region has leakages of about 35-40%, better than us currently, but still atrotious.

    I personally would like to see our water nationally organised like many of the local water schemes. Not-for-profit, owned by its users collectively, and whose running is subject to the democratic control of the members of the schemes. However I think that these schemes should be funded by the collective common wealth of the community, eg funded through central taxation.

    Tied in with a constitutional ammendment that our water belongs to the people of ireland, and can only be sold off with consent of the people, such a democratic structure as I described above would provide a double lock against our water being privatised. As well it would prevent our water services becoming a bloated quango, as who managed and how they managed the services would be democratically accountable.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:05 AM

    But our gas and electricity have not been privatised Peadar. New companies have entered the market but the core state assets remain in public ownership.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:17 AM

    Reg spot on ESB is the states most profitable asset and look still in state hands and not a whisper of it being sold

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    May 30th 2015, 9:29 AM

    If any company could be sold it’s the ESB Wayne. Profitable and well established. Irish Water will be loss making for many years due to the it’s reliance on direct state subvention and the level of investment required. Nobody would touch it!

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    May 30th 2015, 9:43 AM

    I live in the country and in the same boat as denito but that was my choice this not just about water its about the lies and corruption ffs wake up move into the suburbs if your not happy for the situation you created for yourself the people in the suburbs have other payments foisted upon them that you do not every one pull together and defeat these corrupt shower for our children’s benefit

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    May 30th 2015, 12:33 PM

    your not on with life. your 24 7

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    May 30th 2015, 12:34 PM

    Same here – own well and septic tank – but its the price I pay to live where I live.

    And, true Derek, a number of commentators on this site like to tell others: ‘if you’ve nothing left in your pockets at the end of the month, get a better job’ or ‘if you don’t like the amount of corruption in Ireland, move somewhere else’, well that works both ways!

    June 20th is the next protest!

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    May 30th 2015, 12:38 PM

    Waddler you address your post about bank debt to me and suggest that I boycott the water charge.

    As I’ve made clear, I have a private well and biocycle unit so how exactly do I boycott the water charge? Should I estimate how much of my electricity bill is used up pumping water and not pay that portion? Should I cancel the biannual desludging of my biocycle?

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    May 30th 2015, 12:44 PM

    Hey reg fcuk off and leave the esb alone. Sell the esb and kiss good luck to on average 500millon euro dividend annually into the coffers… show me any other company that even remotely comes close to that..
    Self the ESB… You must be a blueshirt!

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    May 30th 2015, 12:49 PM

    My second bill is due in June will be proud to bin it like I did with the first one.

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    May 30th 2015, 2:29 PM

    English not your strong point Joe? Where have I endorsed the sale of the ESB? I am in favour of public ownership of key infrastructure. What I said is that if any company is ripe for sale it is the ESB but it hasn’t been not ever likely to.

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    May 30th 2015, 4:43 PM

    “Was thinkin the same thing. Have they factored in the cost of providing water to all the people who already provide and pay for their own water? As for 6-7billion of exchequer money – that is total pie in the sky. IF there was that kind of money to be got, there are hospitals where people are dying for the want of a bit of care, people on waiting lists for various procedures – including life threatening ones, children being taught in overcrowded classrooms …. And in the end the people will still provide that money, question is WHICH people!”

    The 6-7 billion euro is probably what’s needed to fix a neglected network. Irish Water is essentially a vehicle for getting that money without adding it to the government’s balance sheet. They can get long-term loans. This also means they can keep the charges relatively modest.

    This crowd want to directly tax people to get that money instead.

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    Mute Proinsias Ó Foghlú
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    May 30th 2015, 7:37 AM

    SF will not be happy, R2W is stealing their populist policies.

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    May 30th 2015, 7:52 AM

    So the people who refuse to pay their water bills as it is “another tax the people can’t afford” suggest the water infrastructure should be funded by a “progressive taxation model”. Sweet jebus

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    May 30th 2015, 9:02 AM

    And we already have a pretty progressive taxation model. We do pay too much too early. 51% on anything over 34k. How much do they plan on increasing that?

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    May 30th 2015, 7:41 AM

    Apparently we won’t have to pay for anything, sounds incredible……….as in its not credible.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:00 AM

    Yes pay for nothing….except through progressive taxation fairly divided on the people of Ireland. Remember this is what the DOB party say they do but don’t. If you want to privitise everything you better get your crony job set up quick

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    May 30th 2015, 9:18 AM

    Progressive taxation that they have no details off! I suspect it will be like SF wealth tax it will magically create thousands of rich people we can tax

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    May 30th 2015, 9:35 AM

    I don’t know about you but I seem to pay more than 50% of my pay in tax, USC, PRSI etc. I haven’t been able to take a day off in about 6 months. If the taxation system gets any more ‘progressive’ I think I’ll be taking one of those job offers from Australia or New Zealand.

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    May 30th 2015, 11:14 AM

    @shane. We already have the most progressive tax system in the OECD, beyond even Israel at this stage. How much more tax do you think can be collected before we just go full on communist?

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    May 30th 2015, 11:34 AM

    The policy of right 2 water in Ireland seem different to right 2 water EU. The parent EU group quote this on the website as their belief on paying for water.
    “Everybody knows or should know that it costs money to produce (clean and safe) drinking water and sanitation. In some countries water services are paid for through taxation, in others through charges or through a mix. What we promote are social tariffs. The more you use the higher the price per m3. That is fair and in accordance with principles of social justice and solidarity.”
    I don’t like the thoughts of privatisation but paying for water for usage is “progressive”. A few tax cuts to soften the load would help

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    May 30th 2015, 12:10 PM

    @justanothertaxpayer
    I don’t think you can use communist tax as a bad example.
    In communism there is no private capital and all of the profit is going to the state funds (like tax). Which means that (again, if no one steals) the profits are used to actually pay the people’s salaries proportionally with profit as well as using the profits for the country’s infrastructure.
    There is no 95% of wealth goes to 5% of people. There is though income difference like you see here from CEO to… minimum salary.

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    May 30th 2015, 12:30 PM

    To continue on my previous comment, today’s businesses are focusing almost entirely on how to maximize profits on minimum pay. That is the root of our problems. Because government is not regulating that, is favoring that through tax loopholes that allow the profit to go un-taxed, while people’s salaries are totally detached from profit and are heavily taxed on top of that.
    http://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/EPI-top-charts-2013-08.png

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    May 30th 2015, 7:38 AM

    In this country – we’re great at talking, and having groups about everything.

    Yet we continue to vote for parties based/founded on civil war politics – and living in the past….

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    May 30th 2015, 8:41 AM

    Think it called living in the real world.

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    May 30th 2015, 7:44 AM

    Wow, very good of you to allow us to comment on something with some connection to DOB.

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    May 30th 2015, 11:29 AM

    Who???

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    May 30th 2015, 7:36 AM

    DOB for Taoiseach, he gets everything else he wants so why not this, how do I get an injuction to stop you taking down these comments.

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    May 30th 2015, 7:40 AM

    Why should DOB be in the face man when he could just buy the face man.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:13 AM

    Tin foil Glen. Lots and lots of tin foil.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:13 AM

    Yes and I would vote for Catherine Murphy if she were in my constituency. I will not vote for Denis O Brien coalition Government or F F, Greens or Renua.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:17 AM

    And I am lucky enough to have Catherine Murphy in my constituency. She does more work & has more courage than any single party.
    Don’t get me going on Mr. Redacted!

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    May 30th 2015, 9:28 AM

    Why was my comment about being able to vote for Catherine Murphy REDACTED?

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    May 30th 2015, 7:39 AM

    I predict that we would have super austerity imposed within a year of R2W forming a government.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:16 AM

    Fianna Faill in 1977 all over again.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:54 AM

    Like we have now ?.

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    May 30th 2015, 4:44 PM

    This isn’t “super austerity”. While many individuals have indeed suffered substantial adjustments to their lives, on the whole, we’ve been relatively coddled and don’t know just how lucky we are.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:39 AM

    Remarkable how vocal patjoe and friends are on this article , yet they have remained silent all week while DOB pisses on our press and tries to silence Catherine Murphy .
    You would have to wonder what type of hideously bitter and ugly lives they lead .

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    May 30th 2015, 12:16 PM

    @deco I know it’s hilarious. I can picture there old ugly grumpy heads haha

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    May 30th 2015, 1:20 PM

    i see there is at least 5 people here paid the water bill good boys now enda has run out of toilet roll, run along. no wonder iw did not want to release the figures. another story to take the heat of the siteserve fiasco and dob. why is no journalist taking up the mantle on this they are allowed to repeat what catherine murphy has said. lets keep the siteserve talk up on every article as catherine murphy will be hushed for 11 days.

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    May 30th 2015, 1:47 PM

    Idiot!

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    May 30th 2015, 1:51 PM

    5 people with a mind of their own. Careful don’t slip as you and the rest get back on your bandwagon.

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    May 30th 2015, 3:58 PM

    Roaring at children playing happily and ringing the guards everytime someone crosses the road with out using a pedestrian crossing .

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    May 30th 2015, 4:31 PM

    “Remarkable how vocal patjoe and friends are on this article , yet they have remained silent all week while DOB pisses on our press and tries to silence Catherine Murphy .”

    In fairness it’s sort of hard to say anything when every comments section on the topic seems to be locked.

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    May 30th 2015, 7:34 AM

    Anyone but the liar Kenny and his side kick Joan brutal.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:02 AM

    Just as I thought. They just want someone else to pay for them.

    The same socialist rubbish as SF/PBP/AAA.

    Brendan Ogle FFS.

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    May 30th 2015, 12:40 PM

    But, But, But Alan, you forgot that we already pay for water. An easily forgotten fact up there in FGHQ, must be the water yer drinking.

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    May 30th 2015, 1:30 PM

    david this is another story to deflect from siteserve and the untouchable dob.this is another issue fghq wants us to drop.

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    May 30th 2015, 2:46 PM

    Did you forget to wear your tin foil Noreen?

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    May 30th 2015, 8:01 AM

    It seems that we have a “right” to everything and should take back all sorts of resources but I have yet to see how we are going to pay for it. There is great talk about taxing the rich and hitting “the bankers” but the reality is that the moment these draconian laws are brought in all of the wealth will go offshore. By all means bring in a fairer system but for the moment the ideas that are floating around, with a few exceptions, are more in line with somewhere like Cuba but without the sun.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:00 AM

    Good to see all the experts out in force today fear mongering,,,,I can pay and I won’t pay,,,and I’m not the only one.

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    May 30th 2015, 4:47 PM

    Cool, I’m not going to pay my income tax. Do I get solidarity?

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    May 30th 2015, 4:49 PM

    On that point no one seems it bizarre that you go out and are taxed (at 51% if you have the sheer arrogance to earn the industrial wage) for actually going out and working, something which ADDS to the country and the economy, yet being charged modestly for a resource that you are CONSUMING, which costs money to provide is an utterly unbelievable scandal.

    How curious.

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    May 30th 2015, 7:23 PM

    Surely the point of paying taxes, especially at high rates, is to provide our society with good roads, libraries, Garza stations, water, health, etc?
    Or should everything be privatised or billed? If our public services end up being billed shouldn’t the taxes be reduced accordingly?

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    May 30th 2015, 7:36 AM

    Not a hope.

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    May 30th 2015, 7:49 AM

    Sounds like they should rename their party “right2socialism”. nope. i think we need to broaden the tax net not narrow it. They need to implement some less ambition destroying policies before getting my vote.

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    May 30th 2015, 4:46 PM

    Every single party is essentially variations on the same themes. Destroying the dreams of the ambitious and talented, and funnelling money to corporate buddies, special interests and the protected classes to buy votes.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:06 AM

    Ah great back to talking about water charges. Welcome relief from gay marriage.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:05 AM

    “The right to seek additional hours in their workplace when they become available”
    Wtf is that supposed to mean??

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    May 30th 2015, 8:23 AM

    I presume that it means a relaxing of the 48 hrs maximum that you can work in a week in total. That means that you can’t look for more overtime or work a second job if it means going over those hours.

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    May 30th 2015, 10:00 AM

    Fair enough, but the 48 hour rule is an average – there’s nothing to stop anyone working more hours in a single week or weeks.
    If someone is constantly working more than 48 hours isn’t that effectively keeping someone else on the dole queue?

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    May 30th 2015, 10:19 AM

    Walt you are right about keeping someone else out of a job. At the moment by law you can only work 48 hours p.w in total across all jobs averaging across a 6 month period. This allows for shift workers to do their hours. If people were allowed to work what they want then they are effectively keeping someone else out of a job if that is their full time job and assuming that the hours were there on a regular basis. Of course it also assumes that you put in the correct times officially as well or that you declare that you have a part time job.

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    May 30th 2015, 10:57 AM

    Guys in fairness I think they are referring to people on 10 hours aweek being able to get more hours

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    May 30th 2015, 8:30 AM

    Anything with Brendan Ogle involved is surely a negative enterprise.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:31 AM

    laughable, only a fool would vote for such idiots :D

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    May 30th 2015, 9:13 AM

    Only a fool will happily pay 3 times for the same thing.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:18 AM

    If we are paying 3 times for things and maybe double for other things Simom why is the country still borrowing money?

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    May 30th 2015, 9:27 AM

    I don’t know, why don’t you go ask it? And come back and enlighten us with your knowledge.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:32 AM

    Ata boy Simon.

    Leave it up to someone else to figure it out. Much like leaving it up to someone else to pay.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:35 AM

    It’s quite simple. The state’s income doesn’t meet it’s expenditure. We have to borrow to help pay for things and that includes water. Borrowing is fine for things like investing in infrastructure as you have something at the end but we should not be borrowing for day to day expenditure.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:51 AM

    When we do go that answer out of all the corruption reg a lot will fall into place

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    May 30th 2015, 11:42 AM

    you said it Simon there’s an old saying “Fools and their money are soon parted”

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    May 30th 2015, 12:20 PM

    4 times when the laundered 100,000,000 smackaroos are take into (or out of!) certain accounts!!

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    May 30th 2015, 12:39 PM

    hmmm you never mentioned about banking debt? anglo irish? etc what happens to the billions upon billions? lets never forget this. oh lets squeeze the working class

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    May 30th 2015, 2:35 PM

    I think the bank debt is a bit of a side issue. Currently less than a third of our national debt. We should get 30 billion back, about half of what was put in. We ran up that much debt in a year or two when the crisis started.

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    May 30th 2015, 2:52 PM

    what are you on about side issue?? banking debt could of been in the sum of 500 billion? stop trying to spin minds here. Need change regger

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    May 30th 2015, 3:31 PM

    Could of? possibly. Let’s deal with the facts as they currently stand.

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    May 30th 2015, 3:55 PM

    There the facts reggy, how much you on an hour to troll?

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    May 30th 2015, 4:57 PM

    “what are you on about side issue?? banking debt could of been in the sum of 500 billion?”

    Well it isn’t, it’s 64 billion, of which we will get a significant chunk back. Compare it to the 100 billion+ euro debt which we racked up just trying to keep the lights on, which we will never get back. Why does no one want to talk about that? It’s easy to say “oh we shouldn’t have given the banks all that money”, but when you get the real meat of the debt, it’s social welfare and public services. It’s not as easy to point the fingers at those.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:16 PM

    Correct Search Eagle. So much ignorance about our debt. You state a few facts and are called a troll.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:26 PM

    €67.5 billion: this is the amount we owe the EU and IMF, and it’s only part of Ireland’s huge outstanding debt, which is close to 200 billion euros. I can up with the 500 billion cause Im sure there will be number that will be misrepresented. Lets not forget the interest on these loan that we never factor in. Done

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    May 30th 2015, 9:07 AM

    Not paying.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:14 AM

    Yes you will.

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    May 30th 2015, 12:44 PM

    How did you like the huge YES vote on marriage MK76 yea fuggin homophobic bible bashing nut job ? lol

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    May 30th 2015, 2:45 PM

    Huh?

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    May 30th 2015, 8:43 AM

    I paid . I didn’t mind

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    May 30th 2015, 8:51 AM

    I took a photo of my receipt and sent it to paul murphy :D

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    May 30th 2015, 12:50 PM

    I’m shocked ye knuckle dragging primates can use phones. BTW (I didn’t pay and I didn’t mind)

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    May 30th 2015, 1:00 PM

    Your blue shirt shines brightly and Denis o Brien loves you.

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    May 30th 2015, 2:02 PM

    Knuckle dragging primates!!.. I think you’ll find primates/humans with minds of their own are the ones that succeed in life while the sheep/bandwagon occupants are in fact the ones with bloody knuckles.. Irish water is not the problem.. nor is Denis o brien or siteserve or whatever other party the bandwagon brigade is aimed at. The problem is our political structure. Then again it’s much easier to sit on a pulpit and cry foul than attempt to fix the problem.
    Shout louder ,bandwagon, shout louder.
    My ears haven’t quite bled enough just yet from your bawling.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:39 AM

    So the Right2Water do want the public to pay more for water.

    The “we already pay” brigade will surely have a lot to say about this.

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    May 30th 2015, 8:10 AM

    If there’s one thing ye do not need it’s another left-wing party. To the outside observer there is little to separate ye in terms of policy, so the only reason there’s so many lefties parties must be ego.
    A fiscally Left/socially Right party would stand out from this pack as they would offer a voting option to a significant rump of the electorate who feel unrepresented in the Dáil.

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    May 30th 2015, 6:24 PM

    Don’t forget the pensions

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    May 30th 2015, 9:39 AM

    Good morning pro water double tax trolls. You’re going to be putting in some overtime today in defence and of your corrupt government it seems. Good. Nobody is to say anything concerning the real core of this issue in relation to Denis / Siteserv / FG & the state sanctioned media dictatorship that currently exists in this nepotistic murky island. Patjoe – your a complete clown – keep it up.

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    May 30th 2015, 10:38 AM

    Maybe you could ask Glen for some of his tin foil.

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    May 30th 2015, 11:28 AM

    All the usual govt lackies spouting their usual bullshyte in support of FG and Labour even when the massive corruption surrounding IW is in full view. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You’re exactly what’s wrong with this country and why nothing ever fcukin changes.

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    May 30th 2015, 11:36 AM

    In England they are paying about £1000 for water per year, and in 2018 when the cap is off you will start paying and paying big! Not every person that won’t pay is unemployed, and how easily you forget how many people lost their job when FF/FG/Labour fu***d up our country and its people. Get Real People who say its all the fault of the unemployed.

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    May 30th 2015, 2:57 PM

    Who is paying £1000?

    In 2014 the average household water a sewerage bill in the UK was £393 per year.

    http://www.uswitch.com/water/price-of-water/

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    May 30th 2015, 9:33 AM

    I Paid twice as munch in USC this month than my water bill will be for the year.

    This nonsense about water charges needs to stop now and other issues need to be dealt with.

    Anyone who votes for a group based on their water charge policy really are deluded.
    It’s a tiny part of a huge picture that gets far to much traction.

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    May 30th 2015, 10:41 AM

    On your water bill is the metered charge and the capped charge….which one are you referring to?

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    May 30th 2015, 12:43 PM

    why cause the could break the cosy political system?

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    May 30th 2015, 9:32 AM

    If they introduce citizen initiated referendum and recall I will vote for them .

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    May 30th 2015, 4:59 PM

    Citizen-initiated referendums can be a mixed bag. See: California.

    Given how low quality referendum debates generally are, I have to say I’m not all that enthusiastic about the idea. How about we get our representative democracy working properly first.

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    May 30th 2015, 10:27 AM

    No poll ? Anyay yes i would vote for them all the way

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    May 30th 2015, 9:51 AM

    Let’s face it water charges are here to stay. And I think we need to start paying for our water. I do not agree with te way irish water was set up but they are providing a service. What I think people should focus on now is the other useless taxes we are paying ie usc we need to get rid of these they are crippling families out there. I will probably get a lot of flac for this but there has been too much invested in irish water now to get rid of it.

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    May 30th 2015, 9:57 AM

    We got rid of anglo in the dead of night , Irish water won’t be an issue .

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    May 30th 2015, 10:59 AM

    Good like trying to get Anti Water Charge Groups protesting against USC. The majority of them don’t work so they’ve never payed it. Why would they protest against something that doesn’t affect you.

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    May 30th 2015, 11:36 AM

    I would be happy to pay a temporary double tax on water than pay the water to a larcener who could not care less about the country’s debt and even makes a business out of it!
    I am now boycotting all of DOB’s businesses that I could contribute to:
    Starting with the non-payment of water charges, then never purchasing from Topaz, not listening to 98FM, Today FM, Newstalk, or Spin103, not reading the Indo…. And I am trying to make a list of everything he has so I would not make the mistake to contribute.

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    May 30th 2015, 12:23 PM

    Oh ffs, there’s already too many left wing parties that split the vote and allow right wing parties get in on number 1 vote majorities. Left wing parties should consolidate and work together! Otherwise they will each have a small number of votes and always remain in opposition. There’s already the AAA and pbp who have a strong anti water charge policy. Why the need for a right2water party?!!

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    May 30th 2015, 10:35 AM

    Wha have the group got to say about privatised plastic water bottles? These privately owned plastic items, many with 5-6 different pieces of plastic each, are privately owned and upwards of 3000% more expensive than what IW are proposing. Despite this, these privatised plastic items have polluted most towns, rivers, streams and beaches in the world.

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    May 30th 2015, 12:01 PM

    This is not at all same with the matter discussed there. Bottled water is for sale in shops, not compulsory and while you have tap water already in your home and paid for through tax. If anyone fancies to buy that water… they can. That’s how our economy is working and at this time that’s not under discussion here. Out there is also bottled cola…

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    Mute Seamus O' Tiomain
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    May 30th 2015, 10:53 AM

    Ya gotta love the leftie loons. They really are the gift that keeps giving. Laughable if nothing else

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    Mute CorkBoi
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    May 30th 2015, 11:48 AM

    Do you know Patjoe ,boi?

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    May 30th 2015, 12:46 PM

    same type of language used

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    Mute Joe Mc mahon
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    May 30th 2015, 12:37 PM

    Anyone who would give a right2water party a vote needs their head examined. A one trick pony party… Might as a well vote for an archaic independant and get a light put up somewhere near me!
    Way to fix the country as a whole!
    Party politics needs to be reformed but not like this!

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    Mute Dublin Living
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    May 30th 2015, 12:39 PM

    I feel like a crazy man here sometimes as I feel we should have some kind of charge for our water. Ok, Irish Water is a mess, but that’s largely because of the rush and the fact no-one will let them live down a single mistake and give it a chance.

    We should pay for water in some fair and reasonable fashion and it should be publicly owned.

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    Mute David Boxer
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    May 30th 2015, 12:54 PM

    We already pay through taxation.

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    Mute Search Eagle
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    May 30th 2015, 4:35 PM

    “We already pay through taxation.”

    Not when there’s a several billion euro deficit we don’t.

    In any case, I don’t see what the problem with a consumption-based water charge (with appropriate protections) is. To me, it makes more sense: if you use more water, you pay more. I don’t see why I should pay the same as someone who uses public water to fill the swimming pool at their private villa. But I guess a lot of people are fine with that. “Fairness”, my ass.

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    May 30th 2015, 12:57 PM

    Surely beer is also a human right by their logic? I’d vote for that.

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    May 30th 2015, 5:41 PM

    I’d certainly give them 3rd or 4th preference. Given that I am allergic to voting FF/FG/ Lab I have little choice left for my preferences. Transfers are going to be extremely important in the next General Election, which might be a lot sooner than we think.

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    May 30th 2015, 3:25 PM

    Brenda Ogle……???

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    May 30th 2015, 6:59 PM

    We need a new Godwin’s Law, this time in relation to D O’B.

    “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Denis O’Brien approaches.”

    Let’s call it Dob’s Law.

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    May 30th 2015, 12:55 PM

    And they shall pay for it how?

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    May 30th 2015, 3:23 PM

    Yeah, but what’s Right2Water’s stance on the 8th Amendment?

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    Jun 1st 2015, 11:41 AM

    lttle by little our rights are been taking away ,Your right to free speech ,to post negative comments against our supreme leader D.O.B. (bow heads ) aided by the the main parties …..Just pay your extra taxes to pay for tax exile The SUPREME Leader (bow head ) to increase his wealth ,Its for the good of the country ? the people who matter the wealthy ,supported by right wing parties .. Through the decades, with every State car it got under its bum, Labour moved ever further to the right. Today, Labour is indistinguishable from Fine Gael…..about a quarter of the electorate – Fine Gael’s natural base among the comfortable classes – has accepted the Kenny vision of a suppliant Ireland, smiling winningly at our betters. ..Its a great little country to do business in

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    Mute Cathal O'Donoghue
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    May 30th 2015, 6:36 PM

    Progressive taxation? Please. They will just tax the middle classes, whom they despise. In any case, they are just another left wing protest party and we have more than enough of that. Pious self righteous guff.

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    Mute Ray Walsh
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    May 30th 2015, 5:17 PM

    Ok lets scrap Irish water, pay via tax that would mean a big increase in taxation. And to make it progressive introduce income tax on the dole money, child benefit, disability and pension. That should sort it out. Unless the people on the dole think that might be unfair too.

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    May 30th 2015, 3:14 PM
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