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Nicholas Nelson and Thomas Cahalan became the second male couple in Ireland to enter into a civil partnership in 2011. Leon Farrell/Photocall Ireland

Church of Ireland won't be campaigning for same-sex marriage vote

The Church’s understanding of marriage remains that it is between a man and a woman.

THE CHURCH OF Ireland won’t be campaigning for a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ vote in the upcoming same-sex marriage referendum.

A spokesperson for the Church told TheJournal.ie it will be encouraging people “to vote according to their conscience”.

In 2012 the Church of Ireland General Synod passed a resolution affirming the Church’s understanding of marriage as being between one man and one woman.

The spokesperson said that this is “the basis on which the Church’s liturgy for marriage is used”.

He said the Church “also recognises that the State has a duty and responsibility to legislate for its citizens”.

“Members of the Church are encouraged to participate along with all other citizens in the democratic process when the State consults on matters, such as the civil definition of marriage.

The Church of Ireland draws the attention of its members to its own doctrinal position, but does not direct its members how to vote. The Church encourages people to vote according to their conscience.

Last month Changing Attitude Ireland – a Church of Ireland LGBT group – welcomed the publication of the wording of the Marriage Equality Referendum.

Dr Richard O’Leary, the organisation’s chair, said that marriage should be “available to couples without distinction as to their sex”, just as civil marriage “may be contracted by two persons without distinction as to their race or religion”.

Bible talks

During Lent, Christ Church Cathedral in Dublin will hold a series of talks on same-sex issues and the Bible.

The Cathedral’s Dean, Very Revd Dermot Dunne, will chair the discussions.

In 2013, the Church set up a select committee to look into issues surrounding sexuality.

Dunne said the course is “designed to help that discernment process through active dialogue with people from all walks of life both religious and non religious”.

More information on the talks is available here.

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    Mute FlopFlipU
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:38 PM

    Taking tips off the staff would be a low thing to do and would not promote good service ,the tip is for a service that the customer feels is due to the receipen not for the employer

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    Mute Gillian Scully
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:49 PM

    @FlopFlipU: Tips given generally for all staff including in the kitchen I would have thought. If you include the tip on a card staff don’t get tip for a while until worked out by book keepers. Tip as cash gets to staff faster.

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    Mute FlopFlipU
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 9:41 PM

    @Gillian Scully: you know this for sure what about the presentage supplied what does the chef get as opposed to the waiter get ,it needs to be trashed out in my opinion ,

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    Mute helen walsh
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 10:59 PM

    @FlopFlipU: no would bes..it happens all the time

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    Mute Susanne OKeeffe Smith
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    Jan 23rd 2018, 1:32 AM

    @Gillian Scully: I would generally reserve it for the server…but this can depend on the size of the premises. Small places, generally a tip jar for all and in larger establishments the person who has served me.

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    Mute frank murphy
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    Jan 23rd 2018, 1:47 AM

    the management and owners deserve a share of the tips also.

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    Mute Kevin McDonnell
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    Jan 23rd 2018, 4:20 AM

    @frank murphy: No they dont…….

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    Mute James Mc Loughlin
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    Jan 24th 2018, 11:08 AM

    @FlopFlipU: The tips are intended for the waitress at least that is what I thought..As regards the chef he is been better paid than the waitress so in future a waitress should have some kind of bag or purse to keep the tips intended for them..If employers paid a proper wage to the waitress there would be no need to tip..But a waitress who gives good service to the customer deserves a tip

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    Mute Honeybee
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:52 PM

    I am delighted to see this legislation, I tipped a young girl in a restaurant in Trim , she was so pleasant and even advised us of places of interest, but she told us that she would only be allowed to keep two euro per hour tip as the employer kept the balance of all tips and she was required to hand in her tips to the head barman, for her four hour shift, she was handed eight euro in tips , I was astonished that any employer would withhold tips from staff, I always assumed employers would have no right to such gratuities, this is a greedy practice and this legislation will put manners on employers who dip into their staffs tips.

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    Mute Trevor W
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:54 PM

    @Honeybee: name and shame.

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    Mute Siobhán Ni Mhurchú
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 9:06 PM

    @Honeybee: that waitress sure did spend a lot of time talking to you ..

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    Mute Susanne OKeeffe Smith
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    Jan 23rd 2018, 1:35 AM

    @Honeybee: that is horrible. The tip is from the customer and they make the decision to give it directly to the one person for their great services…I’d be fuming to think the employer took the tips and decided how they were divided out. If an establishment is small and there’s a tip jar and many hands made my night special I would like them all to receive a % of the tip. But if i directly hand it to a server for their good work, then it’s theirs.

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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:45 PM

    I worked in this industry the tips were great. But why do we have tips. Was in Dunnes the other day the young girl working went our of her way to find a product for us. Tips should be across the board were people go beyond their duties.

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    Mute Ted Murray
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:47 PM

    @: __ Perhaps you should have given her a tip?

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    Mute Leroy
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:39 PM

    Hardly ever tip..food and already overpriced as it is.

    That on top of the fact servers are earning at the very least minimum wage anyways.

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    Mute Fergus Sheahan
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:45 PM

    @Leroy: hope you like eating boogers and cum

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    Mute Ted Murray
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:46 PM

    @Leroy: __ It’s a good job we’re not all skinflints.

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    Mute Ted Murray
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:49 PM

    @Fergus Sheahan: __ He probably would eat those rare delicacies, as long as they weren’t overpriced.

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    Mute David Joseph
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:58 PM

    @Leroy: yea, someone on minimum wage, possibly second job/part time to make ends meet, prices aren’t the servers fault. If you can afford to eat out you can afford a small gratuity for someone you feel deserves it. Miserable attitude.

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    Mute Bryan Kelly
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 10:39 PM

    @Leroy: So you’re a tosser then? Could’ve just said that.

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    Jan 23rd 2018, 9:14 AM

    @Leroy: wow Leroy, your generosity knows no bounds

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    Mute Dead Mousche
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 9:09 PM

    Tips are so important to the people in that industry….not sure why we decide to pick and choose who we deem worthy of a tip though…I tipped some young lad who brought down my Mc Donald’s meal to my table for me and the kids…look of gratitude on his face was worth the 2 quid.

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    Mute Presuming Ed
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 8:40 PM

    Fair play, Bill.

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    Mute Nucky
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 9:26 PM

    Not doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. The revenue has been trying get there hands on cash tips for years

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    Mute Hank_Scorpio
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 9:07 PM

    Government is a bit two faced here. Staff working in what is considered to be a tipping zone have their tax free allowance cut to take account of the possibility of extra income.

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    Mute Oliver McLoughlin
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 10:52 PM

    This is bull.
    Must I tip now when I dine out in Ireland?
    The whole point of the tip culture originates from a country with low minimum wage attributes, and no sick leave/holiday pay or any other kind of niceness.
    The country is the USA.
    I won’t be tipping you for doing your job in Ireland. A job which has benefits that are more than are afforded to me.

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    Mute Johnny Bellew
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    Jan 23rd 2018, 10:46 AM

    @Oliver McLoughlin: No, you need not tip, leave that to decent and generous people.

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    Mute pkunzip doom2.zip
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 9:28 PM

    Who does this Bill think he is?

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    Mute DeFonz
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 10:38 PM

    good

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    Mute Joe Clery
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    Jan 22nd 2018, 11:48 PM

    YES employers should not withold tips.. but WTF does this have to be regulated, oh I guess its to trumpet in the wonderful new leader of SF.

    In some places its completely necessary for the employer to have dibs on the tips – there may be policies that tips are shared to kitchen staff or others, or it funds staff voluntary perks. Upset that balance and staff morale could be a mess… Or what do you do when the owner is a member of staff. Is he not allowed to have a part of the tip, what if the owners wife or son is …

    There are so many tipping policies possible and now SF want busy bodies enforcing it..

    Twould be easier if someone like tripadvisor had a seal/icon to say ‘staff-friendly-tips’ or ‘staff-shared-tips’ or no tipping.

    Would SF every go back to laundering diesel properly…

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    Mute Mj Osu
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    Jan 23rd 2018, 11:59 AM

    Service charges should be outlawed , the price quoted should be the price to be paid.
    Staff should be paid proper rates of pay ,which is included in what you are buying so no need for tipping .
    Sinn Fein are trying to get on Pension gravy train .
    Three Years for a Pension for Life. Is a great temptation ,ridiculous and should be brought to an end .
    Those People with a Ministers pension in their pocket are the same people saying a Civil Servant pension after 40 / 45
    Years is too generous ???.

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    Mute Kerrie Roche
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    Jan 23rd 2018, 1:21 AM

    Moons ago when waitressing, we all had set tables to wait, yet had to hand over all tips after each table left, which was than divided out to all staff which was cruel but kind as than everyone was included, but boss kept big portion for himself. In current Job not allowed except gifts/tips exception Christmas and everything pooled and raffelled out, We have to inform boss and ask permission to accept anything, it’s to prevent conflict of interest.

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