THE GOVERNMENT’S PLANS to scrap the Seanad have taken an unusual blow this morning, after the opposition and independent members of the Seanad joined forces to defeat the government – twice – in its proposed agenda for the day, and force a debate on Seanad reform.
The Fine Gael-Labour coalition has committed to bringing a public referendum in early 2013 for a Constitutional amendment to scrap the second house of the Oireachtas.
While it has also proposed a Constitutional Convention to discuss a number of other constitutional matters, the government’s proposed agenda for the convention does not include Seanad reform – with the plan being to have the Seanad abolished by then.
This morning, however, the Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin groupings joined forces with the groups of university senators and Taoiseach’s nominees to force an amendment to the government’s planned agenda for the day.
The four groupings proposed to debate a motion calling for Seanad reform to be included in the convention’s agenda, and for that debate to be taken today – a motion resisted by the government.
After an original vote was tied 22-22 – and defeated with the casting vote of the Cathaoirleach, Fine Gael’s Paddy Burke – FF’s Darragh O’Brien called for a manual ‘walk-through’ vote to capitalise on the less-than-perfect attendance of members from the Fine Gael and Labour benches.
There was some spontaneous applause in the chamber when the result of the walk-through vote was announced – with the government being defeated 23-22, the first time it has been beaten in the lifetime of the current Seanad.
Having to improvise in light of the unexpected defeat, Seanad leader Maurice Cummins (FG) proposed to defer a discussion on new child protection legislation until tomorrow, to make time for the new discussion – but said he would not be able to arrange for a government minister to attend the debate, given the short notice.
Fianna Fáil again challenged this plan, forcing another vote – in which the government was again defeated, losing by 25 votes to 24, with unanimous support from the participating independent senators, including some of the Taoiseach’s own nominees.
Eventually all parties agreed to continue with the day’s agenda as originally planned – voting on extending anti-terrorism and anti-gangland laws – while party whips met privately to agree a time for the Seanad reform debate.
The debate is now set to take place at 2pm this afternoon. If the opposition’s motion is approved by then, the government will be faced with formal recommendations to defer its plans to scrap the Seanad and instead ask the constitutional convention to debate its future instead.
The two defeats mark the second and third times that the government has been defeated since taking office; in March it was defeated when the opposition voted to invite Central Bank governor Patrick Honohan to meet the Finance Committee to discuss Anglo Irish Bank’s promissory notes.
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Judge Judy would show Martin Nolan a thing or two.
@Tommy Shannon: She certainly would Tommy. And that would be the front door and back door good riddance.
@Tommy Shannon: that w….r
I must admit I used to watch her every now and then. She’s a very very smart woman. Amazing to watch how she exposed people’s guilt., genius at times.
@Vonvonic: it’s all staged and mostly scripted, the judgements are not and can’t be upheld as it’s not a real court, everyone, including the audience are paid to be there
9/10 & never seen an episode
@Richard Cronin: 6/10 and probably seen every episode. Iam not jealous!!!.
I think I’ve cracked the algorithm
@Michael: 2 from the top and 4 from the bottom Rachel
@Chief: Put your clothes back on, Carol, I can’t concentrate
My guilty pleasure! How sad my life has become since this bloody pandemic!
@Louise Flanagan: ah louise judge Judy is most people’s guilty pleasure, pandemic or no pandemic. Although they probably won’t admit it lol.
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Thank God that balon*y is being taken off the airwaves. She and Anne Robinson are the same person aren’t they?
Used to be a guilty pleasure of mine until I realized I was essentially watching a woman who earns 47 million dollars a year largely screaming at poor people for being poor…
@SJF: as Judy would say,baloney! She’s not screaming at them because they’re poor she’s screaming at them because they’re d u mb. There’s been many d um b and wealthy on the show too. Lots of them have ripped people off and deserve it.
Class
The PC lefties won’t like her, because she shoots from the hip & tells the truth.
7/10 hate the show
Heard Judge Judy called the black defendant a foo??If she said that in Ireland she would be called a racist. This comment is perceived as 60.4% toxic
My first thought on spotting the headline for this article was “I’m sure that she did!” :)
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