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State of the Nation: Can Joan Burton save the Labour Party?

Here’s everything you need to know about what’s happening in Irish politics right now…

EACH WEEKDAY MORNING, TheJournal.ie brings you a comprehensive guide to what’s happening in the political world.

Everyone’s talking about… 

New Grangegorman Colleges Sam Boal Sam Boal

Labour’s think-in is taking place in Wexford over the next two days with TDs and Senators discussing how to advance the party’s agenda in the forthcoming budget, or as TD John Lyons put it on Morning Ireland earlier, to demonstrate to supporters “that their vote for Labour last time was not in vain”.

A Red C poll at the weekend showed just a one per cent rise in support for Labour, hardly ‘The Burton Bounce’ that was evident in a B&A poll over the summer. It demonstrates that Tánaiste Joan Burton still has a lot of work to do to save her party from the type of result it got in the May elections.

What’s on the agenda today? 

What the others are saying? 

  • The pre-Budget leaks and kite-flying begins as the Irish Times reports on plans to for a ‘return-to-work dividend’ for parents. Joan Burton tells the paper it’s all about making work pay. (Page 1) 
  • The Irish Independent has a big investigation on the nearly €12 million in pay-offs to councillors who lost their seats in the local elections with all of the councillors who got payments listed on ages 12 and 13. 

Inside the Fine Gael think-in… 

Much of what happened at the FG gathering in Fota Island last week revolved around Leo Varadkar and his apparent ‘scolding’ from Enda Kenny. Unperturbed, the Health Minister was in good spirits at the social gathering on Thursday evening. He was holding court until the small hours at the picturesque resort and even joined in the sing-song with a distinctly average (Soz, Leo) rendition of Tender by Blur which involved reading the lyrics off his phone.

Day Two of the Fine Gael Think-In. Taoi "Is it Oasis or Blur for you then, Enda?" Eamonn Farrell / Photocall Ireland Eamonn Farrell / Photocall Ireland / Photocall Ireland

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Our (entirely unscientific) poll on Saturday asked you if there was an election tomorrow who would you vote for? The result is perhaps indicative of a party’s ability to get out the social media vote more than anything else.

poll sat 13 sept 2014

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    Mute Gerard Casserly
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:26 PM

    Leftist entitlement.

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    Mute Mirabelle Stonegate
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:04 PM

    @Gerard Casserly: no, entitled idiots.

    I consider myself left-leaning, and I for one would never consider doing anything like this. For one thing.. by digging up and destroying the lawn, they are actually destroying am ecosystem that supports worms, ants, beetles, and countless other creatures.

    These idiots do NOT speak for all people who are left leaning, and are, imo, idiots who don actually know much about the environment, ecology. If they did, they would refrain from the stunts they pull, as from what I’ve seen, they cause a lot o harm.

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:28 PM

    @Mirabelle Stonegate: Digging it up is destroying the eco-system for worms and the like? Ehm. No. Not that I agree, but no, just no.

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    Mute Paul Somers
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:30 PM

    @Gerard Casserly: I would appreciate a group hand digging up the veg garden right now, they can post pictures of a organic garden, crop rotation and bio culture. If scroat vandals damage earthy ground it’s wrong

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    Mute Ger Murphy
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:57 PM

    @Gerard Casserly: And what did it achieve? Nothing but publicity to feed their hungry egos.

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    Mute The Equalizer
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    Feb 18th 2020, 6:15 AM

    @Mirabelle Stonegate: is that you Mrs Robinson

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    Mute Mirabelle Stonegate
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    Feb 18th 2020, 6:38 AM

    @Ian Phillip Creaner: you realise any bot of grass is home to a myriad of lifeforms, right? Worms, ants, beetles, weeds, and many others. They do things like aerate the soil, promote grass growth, provide food for other animals such as birds and so on. That’s what makes it an ecosystem. Dig that up in a destructive manner, and yes, it does destroy the current ecosystem. Creatures are killed. Food sources are disrupted. Sure, the ecosystem will recover, but that still takes time.

    People who are serious about gardening, something I grew up with thanks to my parents, take steps to mitigate the damage they do, out of understanding. They dont destroy the entire ecosystem. They plant things that encourage diversity within. They help the population by recovering, through, for example, purchasing a few worms, and encouraging them to live. Gardening is all about balance and promoting biodiversity. Even if a person doesn’t put thought into it, the damage they do is never malicious, as they are shaping it into something different, which also promotes life. This is just mindless destruction, on the other hand.

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Feb 18th 2020, 7:02 AM

    @Mirabelle Stonegate: “any bot of grass” then I stopped reading. Go watch Attenborough. It might help you. You poor craytur.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 7:28 AM

    @Mirabelle Stonegate: Low cut manicured lawns are barren desert landscapes for insects. The manicured lawns of today are about as good an ‘ecosystem’ as the spruce monocultures. Completely useless. Digging does not affect worms and it actually helps the soil. Cutting a tight lawn is not gardening, it’s decimating. I’m sure that’s what Ian was trying to say.

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Feb 18th 2020, 7:52 AM

    @TheHeathen: Thank you. It was.

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    Mute Mirabelle Stonegate
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:22 AM

    @TheHeathen: you’ve clearly never been down on grass. Even tightly maintained lawns are home to insects. I’ve been bitten by,or crawled on, by plenty in the past 30+ years. They also provide food for creatures like rabbits, hedgehogs etc. I know this from stepping in their droppings more times than I can count.

    I never said digging as a whole was bad,btw. Just that the disordered way they’re doing it is destructive and irresponsible.

    Still, that’s them all over. They claim to be doing this in an effort to save the environment, yet everything I see of them is just disgustingly destructive and damaging.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:49 AM

    @Paul Somers: Hi Paul it may be worth you watching Charles Dowding, no dig gardening on You Tube.
    It will save you a lot of effort.Hope this will help.

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    Mute Colm O'Brien
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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:36 PM

    @Mirabelle Stonegate: So everyone digging their gardens and planting flowers/trees/vegetables is destroying ecosystems?

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    Mute EvieXVI
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:38 PM

    These are a group of really sad people, they’re looking for meaning in their lives and seem to believe that ‘disruption’ is a worthwhile goal. Pity they don’t understand the difference between trying making a change for the better and doing more harm than good.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 4:15 AM

    @EvieXVI: warning to any rational thinking people… theres little more than rightwing virtue signaling from here on…

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    Mute Dermot Killian
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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:29 PM

    @EvieXVI: Another misguided, often well-meaning but often obnoxious generation trying to find meaning in the realm of activism in the absence of having any personal competence. Religion replaced by worship at the alters of diversity and environmentalism is more amusing to me than informative. Walk into the future hesitantly rather than blind certainty is my conservative credo. It has served me well. But to each his own.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:41 PM

    @Dermot Killian: We’ll said.

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    Mute john s
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:28 PM

    Vandals hope they get jail

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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:53 PM

    Shower of bolloxes

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    Feb 18th 2020, 7:20 AM

    @Patrick Agnew: at least. That’s the correct technical term for them.

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    Mute Jane
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:04 PM

    They really don’t do themselves any favors

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    Mute Quentin Moriarty
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    Feb 18th 2020, 11:23 AM

    @Jane: modern version of the 80s CND movement comprised of greasy haired ,nose ringed ,Rollie smoking ,rag clothed individuals who are misguided and naive .

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    Mute Luke Lee
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:27 PM

    Get a job you bums.

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    Mute CAMILA REMONA
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:27 PM

    And yet they don’t want to cut turf… im guessing they prob just invented the single use shovel .. ha ha ha..

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    Mute Ronan Walsh
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:42 PM

    @CAMILA REMONA:

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    Mute MitchConnor
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:11 PM

    Someone or a team work hard to maintain that. Hope they get arrested.

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    Mute Matthew Gorman
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:33 PM

    Any form of tilling or digging releases CO2.

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    Mute Johnny Casey
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:36 PM

    Now they have become just a bunch of irrelevant Environmental vandals

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    Mute Quentin Moriarty
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:44 PM

    Extinction Rebellion need to reevaluate the real threat that is in space or in a lab .

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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:15 PM

    Police did nothing to stop them…British police are not what they used to be…

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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:30 PM

    @iComment: British police are s c umbags …

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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:55 PM

    @iComment: didn’t the UK recently declare the extinction rebellion a terrorist organization? A week in Guantanamo would put manners on them.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 12:52 PM

    @iComment: I really doubt the UK police had a 24 hour guard over the lawn of college in Cambridge. Unless maybe they should have expected such an action from this group based on internet chatter or drone surveillance?

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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:11 PM

    Should change their name to ” rebellion extinction ” if they keep doing this daft stuff.

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    Mute Ronan Walsh
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:11 PM

    Deluded hippy titbaskets, go and get a skilled trade for yourselves.

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    Mute Fiona Fitzgerald
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:31 PM

    Good chance to plant a camomile lawn.

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    Mute Maria Hickey-Fagan
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    Feb 18th 2020, 2:11 AM

    B@stards. That’s somebody’s work.

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    Mute Adrian Cronin
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:53 PM

    It’s thought provoking.

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    Mute ÓDuibhír Abú
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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:58 PM

    @Adrian Cronin: Wondering what their looking for.!!

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    Mute Tommy C
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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:36 PM

    @Adrian Cronin: Yes, it’s provoking thoughts into a negative. There are more meaningful forms of protest than than these primitive but primary actions and oh so old and dreary.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:27 AM

    Extinction Rebellion seem to think that there is a magic switch that can be flipped so energy from fossil fuel can be immediately replaced with renewable energy sources.
    Firstly to replace every Watt of Electricity one for one currently produced by fossil fuels with it’s renewable alternative will take decades of manufacturing and building. Hydro Electric power stations don’t build themselves, nor does the materials required in the construction appear by magic. Wind Turbines and Solar Panels don’t just grow out of the ground like some tree or flower. They need to be manufactured and built.
    And what energy source will these environmental activists use to manufacture and build these structures if not the fossil fuels they have abandoned?
    So what this University is doing along with others is researching ways to make fossil fuels more efficient so we use less and cleaner so we pollute less, during the interviening years that they can be replaced.
    But it seems these idiots would like us to return to a pre-industrial world. But doing so would mean less food production, less medicine production, shorter life spans, a rise in infant mortality etc.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:14 PM

    They may have a just cause but damage to property like this doesn’t help them.
    The small amount of coverage they get from this stunt will make most people roll their eyes or shrug their shoulders. It certainly won’t make any difference to the status quo.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 4:11 AM

    WOW! I know this is the journal comment section so ill keep it simple. Big picture people! You are concerned about a patch of grass but have no problem with covering a farm with tarmac?! Someone even complained about disrupting worms. Have you read the article, mate? A whole farm is at stake! The environmental change that needs to happen, won’t, if its left up to institutions, like Trinity college. Then what, people? Yer arguments about lawns or disrespecting somebody’s work are just pathetic. More of this, or less of everything. Theres your options.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 5:09 AM

    @Chaos Ape: Agree but what’s wrong with non destructive protest? Lots of ways to have impactful protest without destroying their environment

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    Feb 18th 2020, 7:34 AM

    @Siofra Cronin: They, are unable to think of alternatives. Their actions show lost childhood syndrome, raised in a Crèche.!!

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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:45 PM

    @Siofra Cronin: if they didnt dig up the lawn, we wouldn’t be talking about it.

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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:29 PM

    Brilliant

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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:40 PM

    It’s just a lawn without any benefit for flying insects. Just ugly green no flowers, cutter as short as mind

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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:42 PM

    @IP.Man: cut as short as their mind

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    Feb 18th 2020, 12:07 AM

    @IP.Man:

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    Feb 17th 2020, 11:28 PM

    Brilliant

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    Feb 17th 2020, 10:32 PM

    Idiots

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    Mute Frank T.
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    Feb 18th 2020, 4:08 PM

    Mostly public school spoilt brats , they should be ” tarred and feathered ” in public , these idiot’s..

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