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PETER ROBINSON HAS announced he is stepping aside as Northern Ireland’s First Minister.
He, along with all DUP ministers except one, have resigned from the Northern Ireland Assembly.
Speaking to the press, Robinson said finance minister Arlene Foster will stay on as temporary first minister.
It was feared this could trigger the fall of the Stormont power-sharing executive, although this could be avoided with the retention of Foster.
Robinson said he asked Foster to take on the role to ensure nationalist and republican parties would be unable to take control of the North’s financial affairs, as it could be “detrimental”.
“As someone who invested many hours trying to bring devolution to Northern Ireland, and to maintain it, I have tried to create space to allow these critical unresolved matters to be dealt with in a structured manner,” Robinson said.
The move follows the party losing a vote to either suspend or adjourn the Executive to resolve the current crisis, sparked by allegations that IRA members were involved in the murder of Kevin McGuigan.
Speaking this evening at the Fine Gael think-in in Adare, Co Limerick, Taoiseach Enda Kenny described it as a “very serious situation”.
The opportunity and the timescale in which to make progress here is very limited now and I would hope that the elected reps of the people of Northern Ireland in their respective parties would accept the responsibility that was given to them by the people to make sure that the institutions of Northern Ireland continue to work and be functional in the interests of people of the north.
Bobby Storey released
Meanwhile, Sinn Féin’s Northern chairman Bobby Storey – who was arrested in connection with McGuigan’s death – has been released from custody.
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Currently speaking to the media, Secretary of State Theresa Villiers has ruled out suspending the institutions of Northern Ireland, and called on the parties to come together to resolve the issues they face.
"It will be a dysfunctional Executive in the coming weeks," Theresa Villiers tells media at Stormont House.
She stressed the need to “deal with the issues that have arisen with the continued existence of paramilitary organisations in Northern Ireland”:
It’s a bad day for the Northern Ireland political process, but it’s also worth remembering that there have been a number of such days over the 20 years since the leadership of Northern Ireland undertook this great process that lead to the Good Friday Agreement and subsequent agreements.
In light of the decision by republicans, nationalists and the UUP to continue with business as usual in the Assembly, I am therefore standing aside as First Minister and other DUP Ministers will resign with immediate effect with the exception of Arlene Foster.
In a statement, the Dáil’s Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan said he “greatly regretted” the decision of the DUP to resign.
“The Irish Government is absolutely committed to the full and effective operation of the Institutions of the Good Friday Agreement,” he said.
Following today’s serious developments, the power-sharing institutions are on the edge of the precipice. I urge Northern Ireland’s political leaders to take a step back and consider the gains achieved over recent years, the benefits to the people of Northern Ireland and what is now at stake.
Flanagan has travelled to Belfast this evening, and speaking to RTÉ News, he described it as a “sad day for Northern Ireland and a bad day for politics”.
Speaking after a meeting with SDLP leaders this morning in Dublin, Taoiseach Enda Kenny said the North “is in crisis mode”.
The SDLP, Sinn Féin, and the Ulster Unionists voted against the adjournment.
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Kenny said he has told British Prime Minister David Cameron that the Irish government does not support suspension of the Assembly.
Ministers Simon Coveney and Frances Fitzgerald both expressed concern at recent developments.
Coveney noted the short window of opportunity that now exists for the Executive to be saved as new ministers will be selected in just six days, adding that a collapse would be “hugely damaging”.
Fitzgerald said the government “stands ready” to support the talks - ”I appeal to all the parties to come around the table to start talks.”
It is a very grave situation.
She dismissed suggestions that the Irish government ‘took its eye off the ball’
SDLP leader Alasdair McDonnell told Drivetime on RTÉ Radio 1:
It is not our responsibility to jump to a DUP tune. They’ve created a crisis and they’re going to have to help to solve the crisis.
The current political impasse has been heightened by yesterday’s arrest of Sinn Féin’s Northern Ireland chairman Bobby Storey over the murder of former IRA prisoner Kevin McGuigan.
Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, DUP’s Jeffrey Donaldson said that “politics is not a court of law” and they need not wait for someone to be convicted to question Sinn Féin’s commitment to peace.
Presenter Audrey Carville put it to the DUP MP that the PSNI have said that they believe the Provisional IRA are no longer involved in terrorism.
In a testy response, Donaldson rejected this saying this may not be the case because the recent arrests were made under the Terrorism Act.
Additional reporting by Rónán Duffy and Hugh O’Connell.
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Maybe it’s time for Kenny to grow a pair of balls and look for joint sovereignty of the 6 counties as the unionists can’t be trusted to look after our Irish men and women.
SDLP leader said on rte radio this morning. “We have serious difficulties with the fact that this crisis has been fabricated and brought upon us. He is right. It should be kept out of the political field and let the psni do their job . but you can’t score political points with this.
Sadly their has been many murders up north but none have had a ripple effect like this. Deflection is right but who is deflecting? Weeks after NAMA and now this.
If I’m not mistaken a drug dealer was shot dead in Crumlin around a year ago in Broad daylight and The IRA claimed responsibility for the muder.. Why was there no fuss over that killing. . We had another murder in Donegal that The IRA were blamed on and nothing was said. A few years back RAD executed a drug dealer in Derry and again nothing was said by any Government minister north or south of the border.. So now when our own Government is on the ropes and there’s claims about dodgy NAMA deals in the North do we have the fuss over an ‘IRA Murder’
Hi David, i am sure you are mistaken. The PIRA no longer exist. However, if i am not mistaken, YFG were instructed to go out and make dubious comments using dubious unnamed sources on social media and web-based news outlet comment sections.
For Connolly if you have any evidence or proof this whole thing is fabricated or is political policing you should go to your nearest Garda station and report it
@ david “So now when our own Government is on the ropes and there’s claims about dodgy NAMA deals in the North do we have the fuss over an ‘IRA Murder’”
The crazy thing is, David, the assessment is that the IRA had nothing to do with it. It’s just being peddaled as such repeatedly in the great tradition of ‘repeat the lie often enough’ mantra.
Fill in later. Did enda ask the SDLP leader this morning to report it to the gardai. Since he made the claim on national radio. SDLP leader said on rte radio this morning. “We have serious difficulties with the fact that this crisis has been fabricated and brought upon us.
Well if the head of the PSNI trusts Sinn Fein dermo, which he has publicly stated he does, I’m sure none of the main players will lose any sleep over a YFG troll account in a different jurisdiction claiming the opposite.
You repeated the same lie yesterday dermo, theres no mention in the article you posted of SF threatening the peace process, in fact the only mention of the peace process is as follows:
“Mr McGuinness also said he had been informed by “very senior members of the PSNI” that there was a “cabal within the PSNI who have a different agenda, a negative and destructive agenda to both the peace process and to Sinn Féin”.
I suppose at this stage your credibility is so shot that dishonesty is all you have left dermo. I’ll be here pointing it out to people for you.
Convenient to say the least, however Sinn Fein rejection of the north welfare bill didn’t help matters, as Westminster puts a further squeeze on finances. A clear example of party politics without any regard for the livelihoods and welfare of the citizens.
For Connolly… Just from a year ago… Shinnerbot amnesia kicking in?
At a Belfast press conference yesterday evening the Deputy First Minister, Mr McGuinness, said Sinn Féin support for policing would continue if the situation around Mr Adams’s detention was resolved in a satisfactory manner.
“If it doesn’t, we will have to review that situation,” he said.
@ chris: “A clear example of party politics without any regard for the livelihoods and welfare of the citizens.”
SF stayed at the negotiating table and managed to turn 20,000 compulsory job losses in the public sector into 20,000 voluntary redundancies. That’s just one example of them protecting peoples livelihoods.
So you’re ok with SF, the political wing of the PIRA, attacking the PSNI, undermining their credibility, threatening the withdrawal of support from policing?
Policing is a central and critical pillar of the Peace Process. I’m sure your party has stated that on thousands of occasions.
You were caught spoofing dermo, you won’t be able to unspoof your way out of it. I read the link relating to your claim that SF threatened the peace process and the only mention of the peace process is the following:
“Mr McGuinness also said he had been informed by “very senior members of the PSNI” that there was a “cabal within the PSNI who have a different agenda, a negative and destructive agenda to both the peace process and to Sinn Féin”.
Peter Robinson’s tweet ” these events were predicted in my statement on Monday. No one can be above the law. That is why we sought adjournment of the assembly.”
On Monday he spoke of “details not yet in the public domain”.
1/Did the PSNI appraise him of their investigation as FM, if so was DFM also appraised as it is a ‘joint office’.
2/ Is it appropriate for FM to make political statements on these appraisals before PSNI make arrests.
3/ Did Chief constable Hamilton approve this appraisal.
Diarmuid – isn’t it despicable to see the THREE Irish Unionist Parties – UUP / FG & DUP toying and squabbling amongst themselves for power and territorial supremacy ?
But so utterly shameful , that the THREE of them , are prepared to risk Peace in our Country , for their utterly selfish games and purported ‘gains’ ?
Incidentally , as per usual , you are in error, as to the Chair status ,of one of those being questioned presently – He is not The “Chairman” of SF !!!
I think you’ll find it’s the fact that people have been murdered and that rightly or wrongly this has been linked to “senior republicans” that has put the peace process under pressure. It’s a bit rich to blame the DUP UUP FG FF NAMA or the tooth fairy for this. For god sake stop blaming everyone else. I hope for the sake of the peace process that their is no involvement from SF figures in these murders but their response so far to attack anyone that dares ask questions is what is really despicable.
Thanks very much Seamus B. for that RTE player link.
If anyone missed it and wants to listen to Audrey Carville destroy Jeffrey Donaldson on ‘Morning Ireland’ – it starts at audio position: 017:20 on the player.
Donaldson got all flustered and threatening, but she stood her ground, repeatedly firing the questions back at him, all he could do was dance around them with auld orange tripe.
The north is a crazy set up it is run by dysfunctional politicians on all sides representing a dysfunctional society. It is like Cuba when it was supported by the USSR. It has no real proper industry outside of agriculture. Over 30% of the working population is public service. It gets a subsisty of over 10 Billion a year from the UK, this would be the equivalent of us in the south receiving 35-40 Billion a year. And what do politicians on all sides do – they constantly bitch. They are all proven incompetents when it comes to running an economy/ society. It would be very interesting if the British decided to cut off it 10 Billion grant, what would they do how would they survive in the real world. I am not bias hear I believe all sides are incompetent Muppet’s. On the basis of the above and what I have seen the British can keep them
Spoken like a true “I’m all right Jack” partitionist Neil Browne.
Listen….the six counties is part of the island of Ireland, and always was – there is no beach at Monaghan
Any territorial problems there were created by the British. It’s up to them to correct this terrible wrong and acknowledge the wishes and hopes of the vast majority on the island including that of the diaspora…….
We want our country back, as a whole, an not carved up to appease a few disappearing sectarian bigots or home grown Irish traitors.
Padraig living with nut cases the like who are running above would destroy the hole Island ( make it worst than it already is) they cannot set on basics like a budget (which any household must do) despite being subject to huge grants. The world does not care for either sides brand of secterism. If they could act as responsible adults it would be a huge start. The idea of united Ireland is nice – but not to be Holden to outdated modes of sectarianism that dilutes a decent standered of living and degenerates to down right pettiness and stupidity.
@Diarmuid. Commissioner O Sullivan was on radio this morning saying that they do still exist but operate outside of SF control and without SF’s blessing.
hardly on the ropes David. Not far from going full term. Just because you don’t like them or agree with them or a serial opposer to everything doesn’t mean they are on the ropes. And, before you come back, not getting returned (fg will get returned, maybe not labour) won’t prove your on the ropes profession/postulation. Go on everyone, call me a blueshirt if it makes you feel better. You couldn’t be further from the truth.
I think that was the Real IRA as opposed the Provisional IRA. PIRA are linked to Sinn Fein and who were said to be disbanded after disarmament. There are more informed people commenting who can confirm if I have it the right way around.
Common sense would dictate that if there is no money to pay people then jobs will be lost. Sinn Fein are not protecting people, they are trying to destroy democracy in the north in favour of party politics..
So everything that is happening is just because of the murders Diarmuid? Nothing to with welfare or NAMA? Nothing to do with Unionist unease at being only equal to their Nationalist counterparts? Look who is deflecting every single issue at hand and focusing on the one. My biggest condolences to the families of the two men murdered but they’re being used as a political football.
Good man @Diarmuid! Deflect, deflect, deflect? Psst Between you and me you should switch to one of your other accounts! You know just to keep the Trollwatch app hits down! You’re starting to trend!!
Shame on you @Frainc O’Brion that concept is only for the upstanding members of FG and their associates. When has anything as trivial as truth or facts ever held back the righteousness of FG. There is no truth other than FG. Shame shame shame!
100 reasons they arrest in an investigation. Wait to see if his charged with anything before jumping to conclusions. Cops arrest people everyday to bring them in to be questioned. Standard information gathering technique, take them by surprise. These by appointment arrests are a joke. Allows the people to prepare a script of answers. Educate yourself on police practices.
He was just released unconditionally….No charge, no conditions. No hand in your passport. No warning not to travel. No sign in at station daily. Interesting….
These NI politicians need to stop acting the boll8x. People always running around trying to please them, mollycoddling them, massaging their egos. Get on with showing the world that you can run a Country without sticking your bloody tongues out at each other & stop acting like you are all so important because you’re not.
Populist bigots and phoney freedom fighters slapping each other with flags. Playground politics and grandstanding at the expense of realpolitik. Shamefully it always seems to the same.
A return to Direct Rule from London is a non-runner, as it would invalidate the IRA ceasefire, and validate the dissies. That won’t be allowed to happen. A form of joint-rule would need to be devised. That’s what Fine Gael are most worried about, they want absolutely nothing to do with the North.
So Unionism can do its worst, but let the institutions fall and the alternative is being ruled jointly from Dublin and London. Britain can’t babysit the loyalists anymore. They need to cut the apron strings and make them grow up.
Robinson asked Foster to take on the role in finance so nationalists and republicans couldn’t take control of the norths finance, because that could be detrimental.
“Dont let the KYA-tholics control the money!!”
Says it all really.
I didnt see the blueshirts or FF sticking up for the Catholic people in the north during all this sh*t down through the years. Say what you like about SF or SDLP but they were the only ones sticking up for the nationalist community up north, and the “scorn” coming from some of the west brit commenters on here is quite sad.
Four and a half years in goveremt and the only time Kenny remembers Ireland has more than 26 counties is when there’s a manufactured crisis to make political hay from.
It will backfire in the end. 88% of voters don’t believe him on Fennelly.
@ dermo (still clutching at straws 3 weeks later) “PSNI security assessment confirms PIRA still exists… SF denies it. ”
The security assessment: “Our assessment indicates that a primary focus of the Provisional IRA is now promoting a peaceful, political Republican agenda. It is our assessment that the
provisional IRA is committed to following a political path and is no longer engaged in terrorism. ”
PSNI states a structure remains for solely peaceful work…..where’s the crisis?
“PSNI security assessment confirms PIRA members involved in murders”
Repeating the same lie over and over dermo, and still nobody biting
The assessment: “Action Against Drugs has emerged from within the Republican community from a range of backgrounds. Some are FORMER members of the Provisional IRA, but others have links to Violent Dissident Republican groups and others are from a pure organised crime background….we are currently not in possession of information that indicates that Provisional IRA involvement was sanctioned or directed at a senior or organisational level within the Provisional IRA or the broader Republican movement.
“Sinn Féin Chairman arrested in murder investigation…. ”
Like Adams was last year, and he’s still walking around a free man, having no charges brought against him.
Unionist politicians need to get it into their heads, that no matter how much they try they cannot return to superiority and domination over the nationalist people.
SF have let down the nationalist community in the North so so badly. When Robert McCartney and Paul Quinn were killed they allowed the bully boys take control of the situation and now the bully boys have turned on each other.
Diarmuid, you made a very spurious claim on here last week, claiming that SF and the PIRA caused the sectarian division in the North. Even though neither existed until 1968. The divisions in the North happened immediately after 1921. The Unionists used their majority to ram through anti-Irish legislation and embedded discrimination into society there.
The fact that you know so little about the North tells me you have no clue about what is really going on there now and are only using this FG/Labour/DUP fabricated crises to score political goals.
“A major line of inquiry for this investigation is that members of the Provisional IRA were involved in this murder.”
“Some current Provisional IRA and former members continue to engage in a range of criminal activity and occasional violence in the interest of personal gain or personal agendas,” he added.
Here you go http://www.thejournal.ie/vincent-browne-gerry-adams-2307254-Sep2015/
And this is your exact quote “Sinn Féin drove sectarian division in Northern Ireland for decades.”
As per my comment above, anyone who knows anything about the North (other than whats handed to them by FG headquarters), knows that the Unionists drove the sectarian divisions since partition. Their mantra was and is ‘A Protestant country for a Protestant people’
“A major line of inquiry for this investigation is that members of the Provisional IRA were involved in this murder.”
Another lie.
Those are not the words of the PSNI chief constable, they are the words of Kevin Geddes, a detective superintendent, which were then superseded by the security assessment of the Chief Constable
Incidentally, That quote isn’t even part of the article you linked to.
Relying on people not clicking on links to pull a fast one dermo? Tut tut.
Never mind, I’ll be here to clear up any confusion.
Diarmuid …
“Sinn Féin drove sectarian division in Northern Ireland for decades.”
So what you are saying, is that if SF never existed the sectarian division would not have happened?
Again for your information, the first sectarian murders carried out in the troubles, happened before the PIRA were formed. The victims were Irish Nationalists, murdered by the Unionist paramilitaries.
The first bombings carried out in the North prior to the PIRA being formed were carried out by Unionists.
It would be great if you could google all this stuff yourself instead of regurgitating points from the FG handbook.
Thanks to ‘For Connolly’ for clearing up Diarmuid’s wee sleight of hand tricks.
Diarmuid grow up – it’s important when you come on here to be straight and truthful because there are people here, way smarter than you, tracking every single word.
BTW fellow posters – on the subject of trickery – there have been several anti Sinn Féin posts under different names in which the writers end with the same word – ‘Chum’ – has anyone else noticed that?
Spotted that as well Padraig. I also noticed that “billy Wiggle” was an account created today but has been very quiet since other accounts have become more active. I’m thinking one very disturbed individual with a serious mental problem that needs to be addressed.
Imagine being so paranoid and lacking in self confidence that the only way they can validate their existence is to pretend to be someone else over and over again. I wouldn’t mind an alter ego but when you have to create multiple alter egos then you know that there is a problem. The fact that each alter ego validates the other ones shows a very disturbed mindset indeed. They don’t even have the self confidence to back up their points so they resort to trolling websites and then thinking that the interaction with people who respond to them is like a normal conversation between friends! Christ Almighty, imagine living with or next to these people. They probably look normal on the outside but inside they are seriously fu(ked up. I suppose their lack of social skills means that normal interaction in the real world is restricted but I still wouldn’t like to be anywhere near them when the pressure valve in their head goes off!
‘Chum’ and ‘mate’ are a common pattern to these multiple accounts alright, although I find it highly entertaining how for Connolly can single handedly make fools of these multiple accounts and their repetitive arguments, even when they gang up on him or make clone accounts he beats them down with facts and figures. Gilhooley alone must be on a dozen new accounts now at this stage and still his debates get battered every time.
do you really need a ‘link’ to even accept that the 6 counties wwre annexed by threat of violence or that it was a sectarian apartheid state gerrymandered by a “protestant people for protestant people”… now that is leap into revisionism. . John Burton must love you…
Really Diarmuid?? “murdering Protestants because they are Protestants does drive sectarian division”. I think you’ll find that it was 800 years of killing Catholics and throwing them off their land simply because they were Catholic is what drove sectarian division – for centuries. That history didn’t vanish the day the treaty was signed.
@Diarmuid, I honestly think you have to be the stupidest, most ignorant and historically illiterate fool that ever posted on this topic. You actually haven’t a f*cking clue. Seriously.
Leaving aside the DUP/UUP, FG/LAB/Irish Independent created “crisis” and who is going to benefit from it whether it is political point scoring or selling more newspapers, lets look at hast could happen in the event of Stormont failing.
NI goes back to direct rule with the Irish having some input but with the likes of Enda and Charlie Flanagan I doubt that will amount to much based on past performance.
Unionists get all cozy again under the safety blanket of direct “British” rule although they will kick up a fuss about foreign (Rep of Irl) government interference.
Dissident Republicans recruit on a massive scale. They will be going to every ex Provo and telling them the same thing..”We told you so”. The only thing that Britain understands is military action. You tried the political path, it failed so now it’s back to the old days. Only now the new recruits will be younger and keener whereas the former Provos will be bringing in their knowledge. That as well as a significant war chest will allow them to get up to date, modern weapons which could mean a significant increase in violence.
But hey, so long as FG/DUP get one up on Sinn Fein then who cares. It’s all about votes (and covering up various reports), right?
While the mental stability of people who feel the need to use multiple accounts on here worried me, I do applaud the amount of work that they put into setting up new accounts and opening multiple browsers to manage them. It must be hard to switch between different personas especially on the same thread but then again if you have a personality disorder I suppose it helps!
Yes billy which is exactly what the DUP wanted. With it drops the NAMA investigation which has DUP leader accused of major fraud.also there is the Tory lead austerity plans. As these cuts will effect the people of Shankil as much as the Falls, the DUP need a ‘patsy’. They won’t support Sinn Fein in opposing this in case it strengthens SF in both elections on this island. But they don’t want to carry can with their electors either. So sit back and wait for the almost inevitable events which occur in society unfortunately accustomed to serious violence and manufacture a ‘crisis’ from these events.
Outcome hopefully for DUP is assembly dissolves, direct rule inflicts the austerity cuts, the NAMA enquiry fades into smoke screen and everyone pointing fingers at Sinn Fein.
All the while the GFA guarantors currently in Dublin government are gleefully spinning and stirring this pot, without an iota of concern about the possible catastrophic results of these narrow party political games being played out in Belfast and Dublin.
Unionism is playing the ‘orange card’ here.. for that they need to feed the ‘seige mentality’ in loyalist communities. THEY NEED PIRA TO EXIST and not as a peaceful organisation. it is what ensures there voter base.. they cant have Tory austerity in a community that is going to suffer those cuts very dramatically, but they cant oppose this austerity in conjunction with Sinn Fein. The only solution for them is to create a crisis out of this killing which enables a ‘pontius pilate’ approach.
M Bowe I couldnt care less what the DUP does, they don’t ask me to vote for them and they have no presence in this country. its your cult who is obsessed with them, I couldnt even name a member of the DUP LOL
I’d say it’s more like Peter Robinson threatening the peace process using this murder as a smokescreen when serious questions were starting to be asked of his parties dealings and I fully expect the questions to go away much like the Northern Bank robbery to save the peace process.The people of Northern Ireland deserve better than self interest politicians much the same as ourselves.
It’s so frustrating reading the comments on here. Can SF do what ever they like whenever they like? No one should ever question them about anything? The blame for what is happening up North lies firmly with those who killed those men. If that turns out to be a SF member or IRA members then that’s who is at fault.
It’s actually exasperating reading the BS from SF supporters. It’s time to grow up lads, this is too serious for your usual ‘he pulled my hair first’ routine.
For Connolly/ Were Jammin in the last few days I’ve lost all respect I had for your opinions. There are some, not many but some, on here who can at least debate a point and are open to other opinions and views. You are not. You go on whoever shouts loudest and longest wins.
“There are some, not many but some, on here who can at least debate a point and are open to other opinions and views. You are not.”
Eh, you DO realise that I’m the person round here who has listened to the views of the actual main players in this ‘crisis’ and whose view is that there should be an investigation to get to the bottom of the differences in the various assessments?
Yeah right Jammin. Course you are. You are one of the most closed minded individuals on here. Sinn Fein are the perpetual victim to you. It’s so boring.
Jane,
“If that turns out to be a SF member or IRA members then that’s who is at fault.”.
So why not let the Police do their jobs and finish their investigations. In the meantime, there is nothing to be gained by the Unionist or FG approach to the murders except political point scoring. There is no need for a kangaroo court in the media. There is a perfectly acceptable justice system in the North these days (unlike days of old).
Jane would you blame every political party for the actions of their members? Should FF be blamed for the actions of one of their members in Cork in soliciting someone to commit murder? Fine Gael has had people up on evasion and tax fraud, Labour has some skeletons in their closets so would you blame the party as a whole for the actions of these individuals?
Absolutely not Seamus but if any of those parties came out and repeatedly denied any involvement of their members then yes I would. Gerry Adams has said these murders have nothing to do with SF, if it turns out that a member of SF did in fact have something to do with it then we all have a right to ask questions. I’m sorry but it’s too serious up there now to believe the PSNI are questioning this man out of a political motivation. All eyes are on them, they don’t want to go back to what they had.
I’m tired of the constant constant insistence that SF are victims.
But Cal if a member of our government are asked a question are they suppose to say sorry can’t answer that cause it might upset the peace in NI? That is the greatest load of bull. That’s what’s happened up to now with the Paul Quinn murder and Robert McCartney murder. We’ve a fair idea who did it but let’s not delve too deep in case it upsets the peace. Well look where we are now. Time to take the heads out of the sand and stop using the peace process as a stick to beat down any inquiry into what is happening.
“Gerry Adams has said these murders have nothing to do with SF, if it turns out that a member of SF did in fact have something to do with it then we all have a right to ask questions.”
Was Micheal Marin treated like Gerry Adams when a member of his party tried to get someone murdered, was Finna Fail threatened with expulsion from the Dail because one of it’s members broke the law?
More importantly if, as you assert, a member of a group, party or any other entity commits a crime, then should that entity or party be raked over the coals? If a lorry driver for XYZ Transport is caught drink driving does that mean that the whole company should be targeted? If a leader in the Boy Scouts or Girl Guides is involved in money laundering does that mean that the entire organization should be investigated by the Fraud Squad? There are thousands of people who are members of political parties through out this island however no party can be responsible for the actions of each and every member. If they went out and said that they committed a crime because they were told to by part HQ then there would be a case to answer for but I’m afraid if an individual commits a crime on their own time then it’s down to the individual to take responsibility and not those who are associated with them in some way.
All of those scenarios you mention involve individuals involved one way or another in criminality. That’s not the same as being involved with a terrorist illegal organisation, an organisation that SF continue to say is no longer in existence. And yet dead bodies keep turning up?
Jane you are as selective as Diarmuid in your views and also as wrong. ” That’s not the same as being involved with a terrorist illegal organisation, an organisation that SF continue to say is no longer in existence.”
“Some current Provisional IRA and former members continue to engage in a range of criminal activity and occasional violence in the interest of personal gain or personal agendas.”
Do you agree with Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland? Did you read the full statement?
If 2 members/former members of the IRA have been murdered and 3 member/former members have been arrested in connection with one of those murders do you not think we have a problem that in some way involves the IRA?
Jane what you are now saying is totally different from what you were saying earlier on. the very fact that you have tried to deflect from my question says a lot in that you won’t answer it so here it is again..
“Jane do you agree with the Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland that the PIRA is no longer involved in terrorism?”
Everybody knows that some members of the PIRA are involved in CRIMINAL activity whereas you said that they were involved in TERRORIST activity. You are now asking if there is a problem with the IRA whereas before it was all about Sinn Fein. I have read the full statement and accept it. The only other question I have is do you?
Yes Seamus I accept it. I accept it in its entirety however.
I’m amazed how easy you can separate Sinn Fein and IRA considering that a senior member of Sinn Fein is being questioned regarding the murder of a senior IRA figure.The senior SF member has been arrested under the terrorism act. I don’t believe you’re that naive so I assume you just won’t admit to what doesn’t suit the SF victim agenda.
Jane, you don’t have to be a member of SF to be in the PIRA you know. That’s just Loyalist BS. You can be in the PIRA and not be a member of SF, in fact you could even be a member of FIne Gael and be in the PIRA which would actually be a good cover! If you are incapable of not being able to differentiate between SF and the Provos then you really have swallowed Unionist/Loyalist/British propaganda lock, stock and barrel. There are incontrovertible links between the 2 entities but it doesn’t hold that every member of SF is a member of the PIRA and vice versa.
You now accept that the PIRA is no longer involved in terrorism so why do people still go around calling it a “terrorist” organization? It is illegal but it is no linger involved in paramilitary activities so i don’t see why SF should have to justify themselves when they say that the PIRA as it was (paramilitary) no longer exists. there are criminals in it but surely that is for the PSNI and the Gardai to sort out.
But the northern secretary of Sinn Fein has been arrested under the terrorism act in connection with the murder of a senior IRA member. So what you have said above makes absolutely no sense.
Jane what does that have to do with Sinn Fein? First of all he is innocent until proven guilty, secondly if he is a member of the local GAA club should we be asking them questions, maybe we should go down to his local church and start questioning people coming out of mass. Just because someone gets arrested for questioning doesn’t mean that they are guilty or has that changed? What do you expect SF to do, babysit all of their members? Do you want them all in by a certain time and to let the local TD know where they are at all times?
These are grown adults whose actions are not accountable to SF in the same way that I’m sure some of my neighbours who are members of FF and FG are not accountable to their parties. Yet we have vested interests who have “fabricated” (according to the SDLP) a crisis out of nothing and now it looks like the bad old days are own their way back. I said this at the start of this whole thing and I’ll say it again. People opened up Pandora’s Box for their own selfish political purposes and they won’t be able to close it.
It has everything to do with SF and you know it. You cannot deny the link between SF and the IRA. This man that was arrested was a member of the IRA, McGuiness was a member of the IRA. I know SF would like to distance themselves from the IRA but to do that they need to get rid of the old guard. Too much blood on their hands.
Time will tell but I think this fiasco will put a lot of people off voting SF and in fact it might out people off voting FG too. There are no winners in this and the people of NI are the real victims.
Jane, I never denied that there wasn’t a link between SF and the IRA, in fact I said “There are incontrovertible links between the 2 entities “. I aslo said “These are grown adults whose actions are not accountable to SF in the same way that I’m sure some of my neighbours who are members of FF and FG are not accountable to their parties.”
You even said that “This man that was arrested was a member of the IRA,” was being the operative word. He has been released without charge unconditionally so if he was a member of the Provos then why wasn’t he charged with membership? If he was involved in the murder then why wasn’t he charged? You were very quick to throw questions around about SF just because he was a member of SF and that some how in your mind makes every political party responsible for their members actions so maybe now you could answer me as to why this man was questioned and released without charge? Oh and right after Peter Robinson pulled the plug as well!
The DUP handed out 40,000 leaflets urging Unionists to “let Alliance know” that they didn’t want their stupid fleg taken down from Belfast City Hall.This was followed by months of street violence that the PSNI stated was orchestrated by the loyalist paramilitaries.
Were the DUP directly involved in that? It’s hard to say,but isn’t it interesting how Unionists in Stormont can still stir up the dregs and subsequently disassociate themselves from it?
Who in the DUP was providing the likes of Bryson and Fraser,two men with loyalist paramilitary links, with information about the Haas talks? Why were these extremists being pandered to?
What is being done about the orchestration of violence against minorities by loyalist paramilitaries?
What is being done about the loyalist paramilitaries who control working class loyalist areas,poison that communities children with drugs and extort every business in the area?
Ulster Unionists are scoundrels and they operate with the sole intent of depriving Catholics of any say in Northern Ireland.
Great people for law and order,right up until the moment the law ceases to serve their interests.
Yeah but isn’t it always about the IRA in your neck of the woods? Not much room for self reflection amongst Unionists,you could get accused of being a Lundy…
kenny up to admire his work dancing on the grave of the peace process playing into the hands of the dup. Our idiotic leaders chaos has gone astronomical. Spinning into the DUPs web helping them to distract from the very serious corruption criminality I.e. nama, or maybe Iris Robinson has a new toy boy I need of a cafe
Will it not, “billy”? I would have thought it was the very essence of the matter. Keep trying to cover up your rancid corruption – some of it, at least, will out.
People are so blind to what’s happen here with all this propaganda, you would be so naive to think Cameron and the weasel Kenny don’t talk, and they are worried about sf government and how dealing with them on a regular basis is worrying for the British. Think back to the past with all the stitch up by the British government, pat finucane, Gilford4 etc they will do anything that benefits there selfs.. And Kenny will play along for his party’s sake.. If Mr stones has something to do with it I agree charge the man, anyone that deals with murder throw away the key… I use to give labour a preference when voting never again because of kelly burton, but I can see the dirty side to all this with Kenny’s discussions with Peter Robinson, if people vote fg/lab back they get what they deserve pain and misery and a leader that can’t hold a debate and talks with marbles in his mouth. We will go from a banana republic to an idiot Republic.
This is all stunts by the British/current Irish government, it’s and election year and David Cameron / Ulster party don’t want to have Sinn Fein in power in the Republic, so they have arrestes made to highlight the Ira issue that’s has gone since 1997, to make people think that Ira exsist , so when voting for Sinn Fein you will decide not to with this in mind. The last person the British government want to deal with would be Gerry Adams/ Mary Lou along with our boss merkel it’s designed to make people think twice about voting Sinn Fein, it’s scare tactics, and dirty politics to mess with 20 yrs of a peace process. They don’t want Sinn Fein in power because they would be told where to go with certain polices and bend over and take it up the star. I think people will see through this and also believe me stones will be released without charge. It’s just to keep reminding people about the Ira #dirtyest politics ever for election purposes.
The should be ashamed of themselves, playing politics with something that has taken years to come to fruition. It is pretty damn obvious this is conspiracy against Sinn Fein North and South. Pathetic !!
@jane. OMG, OMG, Mrs. Cushnahan. You are right, this powerful phrase should be used sparingly – BTW (another sexy phrase) keep quite about the oul’ NAMA deal) yours, Sammy Wilson.
dup not getting their own way so they throw their toys out of the pram. There’s nothing new to this. They’ve been getting away with this carry on for year’s.
Peter Robinson had been an ineffective First Minister of Northern Ireland for a long time before his resignation. He had, for a few years now, clearly lost the passion necessary for the job. I always got the sense about him that he was a broken man, perhaps his wife’s infidelity toward him was a contributor to that. His unwillingness to form a working friendship with Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, was also a big weakness on the part of Robinson, particularly for a job like his in the North which requires hands to be reached across the aisle (and collegiate friendships to be called upon) for anything real to be accomplished.
@billy the whole thing is a set up , how do we know it was not a Unionist Para that murdered that man ? It has been done before , create a crisis from the creators only benefit,,,,,
the deflection and insults from the shinnerbots are getting more vile as this crisis unfolds. suppose if you dont support the shinners you are a loyalist- comical :D
Fine Gael, I really hope getting back into government is worth the absolute pile of stinking sh*ite we are going to be landed back into if the North situation turns into chaos again.
Why are you blaming FG for this mess? Did they commit the murders? Have senior FG figures been arrested in connection with murder. Do FG have links to an illegal paramilitary organisation? For the love of god stop blaming everyone else for this absolute mess!
Rome is burning Tap.
Enda’s the kind of guy who likes to handle scrotums (as it were). Why not speak directly to both of the First Ministers as Taoiseach?
Are you referring to the period in the 90s when the IRA broke their ceasefire by planting a bomb that killed two people….are you seriously suggesting this was FGs fault!…..you people won’t take responsibility for anything will you.
Who’s ‘you people’? I was referring to john ‘I’m sick of answering questions about the f***ing peace process’ bruton and the amazing leadership he showed, enda learned a lot from him..
For you Tom! Keep voting independents some are great no doubt, I’ll give a few preferences myself at election Time, but let’s be real if we want change we need a parties! And the way government is designed independents can’t control ( so in my opinion) pointless… But let’s gets real here anyone that does not think this country does not need a change are off there rocker!! As I said I would have given lab a preference but never again because of the bullying by mutton head kelly and burton, Irish water etc, also Kenny and co , fennelly report madness, siteserve dealings without a paper Trail Kenny hiding when the country’s press came under attack by you know who!! All the lies since 2011 etc addressing the country and saying it’s the banks fault and then say to his boss merkle Irish people got greedy all the lies and why have someone tags can’t even debate… Our government tries to lie on a regular basis thank god for social midia. But I tell you one thing put a real man I Adams in power or a real woman in Mary Lou and you will see change for the good of the Irish man / woman .
If your not happy with FG well maybe vote FF don’t you remember the good times when that jackeen git threw all the money away and we didn’t worry about rainy days! Breakfast rolls for everyone woohoo!
I don’t care. Let those nutters do what nutters wish to do. They will not disgrace Sinn Fein (of whom I am NOT a supporter) – they will only hasten the day when the UK finally dumps them. The problem will then be, what the hell can WE do with them, we can’t afford another 1.5 million freeloaders.
There have been countless murders in the North that have never drawn this much of attention. I would say this has nothing to do with IRA, PIRA, UDF, UVF, et al and everything to do with NAMA. You can’t run and hide Peter, the noose is tightening.
There always seems to be a Sinn Fein member been dubiously arrested. It was Gerry the last time. Arrests mean nothing without proof. Unionists obviously want direct rule back.
Actually the flag in this photograph is correct. In this instance the upside down Union flag might also be somewhat appropriate as it signifies distress.
And your pals in the Orange Order billy boy……you know…….the Catholic killers….still armed to the teeth. Still threatening and intimidating people out of areas because of their religion. Be it Irish catholics, Polish or whatever, it doesn’t matter as long as they are Taigs? If it weren’t for the IRA they would have hunted down and slaughtered every nationalist in the six counties rather than allow equal status. I have personal experience of the brave “loyal boys”. Held down by their snipers after they had bombed my shop and home – until we were rescued by returning fire from an IRA asu. Yes I know the Catholic killers well – nothing but religious bible thumping fanatics. They have not gone away by a long shot.
im from the republic. the orange order are a bunch of prehistoric morons as far as i can see so your post is a little strange. however this story is about IRA terrorism and not Orange Order morons
Oh Sorry billy….I take that back….so you’re just an ordinary free state partitionist – willing to abandon our people in the six counties to the ravages of Unionist supremacy – just so your party can keep it’s dirty nose in the golden trough……What does it actually feel like to be a traitor billy?
hate to burst your hatred bubble but ‘I’ abandoned no one, the people of the north are not my responsibility not now, not ever. abandoned – hilarious LMAO
Is it not in “crisis mode”? Did he say something factually inaccurate? Why has he spent the morning trying to persuade the SDLP to back an adjournment of the assembly to prevent it from collapsing?
I’ve always found it interesting that years after he stopped wearing glasses. Peter Robinson has never managed to lose his “I normally wear glasses” look.
These funch a bucks in gov on both sides of the border would go so far as to destabalize the peace process just to ruin SF, and get back into power. You have kenny on the one side, calling meetings with the guards and scaremongering about the IRA, and then you have his buddy and fellow td charlie flanagan up in stormont telling everybody he’s gonna get everybody together to prevent the crisis. One fellow creating the problem and his buddy solving the problem, and then there telling everybody how brilliant they are!
What’s more worrying is that many Republican zealots don’t seem to have any issues with murders going on around the fringes of their party. It’s really really really disturbing….
What a stupid stunt as no one has been charged with anything yet and if no one is or they catch who did it and they had nothing to do with the IRA then what?
These eejits will have egg on their face because of sectarian hatred, what does that tell the world about them?
Personal opinion here but if the assembly collapses power returns to Westminster and they make all the unpopular but necessary decisions to balance the books e.g welfare reform, hospital closures etc. So when the assembly returns the Northern Ireland positions can blame the Conservative party as they will have done the dirty work.
Yup,
But Cameron won’t have a problem dropping NI if it’s going to continue to cost them money.
NI is a socioeconomic basket case that doesn’t fit with Cool Britannia.
The irony is that Britain would have more actual control over the Province of they cut it loose.
Carson had been a contemporary of the playwright and wit Oscar Wilde at Trinity. In 1895, Wilde brought an ill-advised libel case against the Marquess of Queensberry. Incensed at Wilde’s relationship with his son, the marquess accused the playwright of being homosexual. Wilde sued.
Representing the marquess, Carson cross-examined Wilde in court. A reporter wrote:
“It was a duel of thrilling interest. Mr Carson’s wig throws his white, thin, clever face into sharp relief. When he is angry it assumes the immovability of a death mask.”
Wilde lost his libel case, and Carson’s skilful cross examination laid bare lurid details of his private life. He was subsequently arrested and tried for gross indecency. Carson refused to take any part in the prosecution that saw Wilde imprisoned. He appealed to the solicitor general to show mercy to a man already disgraced and bankrupt.”
Willie Frazer wanted to do that and still does. He went Israel to see how they built there sectarian wall and how he and his bunch of looney tune supporters could do the same in NI.
Billy,
You’re spinning politics in the Republic while there is a grave danger the North will fall apart.
Why do you think your view of “the pits” is worse than the version you bring to the table?
This could be fun! Its gone tats up for the unionists so the South should slide in and power share, tbh I think the Brits would be glad to see the back of the 6
My god northern politics is petty and childish and the politicians are stuck in the dark ages. Stormont should be closed and none of the idiots that are currently up there running it should be allowed near it.
Poor Peter , you really fell for it. You should have told Donaldson to keep his mouth shut until some definite charges are laid by the PSNI at whoever is guilty and if as I would suspect the truth is never known your party and the UUP will have a poor case to present to the world as justification for bringing the people of Northern Ireland back into darkness.
It is disgusting how all political parties undermine and exploit society for their own dubious political ends, but the unionist politicians in the North are in a league of their own. Take a bow UUP, I hope those extra few votes you’re hoping for are worth it.
This was inevitable. It was going to happen sooner or later.
Appeasing the IRA with the GFA and allowing them to continue to function, releasing scores of vicious thugs and SF welcoming them into their bosom was always going to lead to this. Killers don’t change, these men continued to kill under the guises of bogus outfits like “Action Against Drugs” and the authorities turned a blind eye. Adams snuggled up with his old comrades, not even being subtle about it and dared to tell everyone how things had changed and look how normal we are now. The IRA clearly kept some weaponry back or simply bought new ones.
They clearly never went away.
The only way this can now be fixed is Adams and SF must once and for all announce publically that they are formally cutting all ties with the IRA and state there is no longer any justification for a political party to have these ties. And they have to denounce the IRA and formally ask and also in the background disintegrate the organisation once and for all. A new IMC needs to be brought in as well to supervise this.
Time to let go once and for all Gerry. Stop palling around with the likes of Storey and all the old boys.
Robert not trying to defend Sinn Fein but what evidence have you got that Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinnes, Pearce Doherty, Mary Lou McDonald were involved in the murder of that man ? Show me proof , if you have no proof then you are basing you views on what the Government and Unionists are saying…..it is horse**** of the highest category……I am still going to vote Sinn Fein because I know this is all to blacken the name of the party.
I mean god knows what those Unionists were up to during the troubles and after , have you watched “Collusion” this is like the pot calling the kettle black.
There’s a sad sort of clanging from the DUP in the hall
And the bells in the UUP too.
And up in the bedroom, an absurd little Iris bird
Is popping up to say, “Cuckoo cuckoo!”
Regretfully they tell us but firmly they compel us
To say goodbye to you.
So long, farewell,auch wiedersehen, good night.
I hate to go and leave this pretty sh..te.
So long, farewell auf wiedersehen, adieu
Adieu, adieu, to you and you and you.
So long, farewell, au revoir, auch wiedersehen.
I’d like to stay and taste my first champagne
Yes?
“no.”
So long, farewell, auch wiedersehen, goodbye
I leave and heave a sigh and say goodbye
I’m glad to go, I cannot tell a lie
I flit, I float, I fleetly flee, I fly
The wife has gone to bed and so must I
So long, farewell, auch wiedersehen, goodbye
Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye
Populist bigots and phone freedom fighters slapping each other with flags. Playground politics and grandstanding at the expense of governing and addressing real issues. Shamefully, it’s always the same.
Populist time wasters and criminal phoney freedom fighters slapping each other with flags. Playground politics and grandstanding. Nothing ever changes up there.
I have little patience for all the NI shite. The only way the place will ever be governable is if the orangemen are driven out, ideally into the sea with their flegs and all.
I wish they would all stop bickering and run the province the way its supposed to be. They would do well to leave the past behind and govern for all the people. People on both sides would want to start working together for the good of northern Ireland and not always fight for their own little cause whatever it is. As it stands none of the parties are capable of running the province. Direct rule would be easier and cheaper. At least something gets done
Jayzuz, can you pop up the music for that there Michael? I’m getting a sound of music vibe but it might be better as an acoustic piece on the uilleann pipes. Now! if we can have everyone back around the campfire…..
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