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FactCheck: Was Richard Bruton right to say that newer TDs get paid less?

Do lower public service salaries extend to the Dáil chamber? FactCheck finds out.

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PAY RATES FOR new public servants have been a cause of simmering unrest and controversy in recent years.

Before the Dáil adjourned for the summer, Fianna Fáil TD Jackie Cahill raised the issue of low starting salaries for new primary school teachers, in comparison with their longer-serving colleagues.

During his response, Education Minister Richard Bruton said “newer [TDs] are on a lower pay than long-standing [TDs].”

Is that really the case?

One of our Twitter followers tweeted @TJ_FactCheck about this claim, so we faithfully looked into it.

(Remember, if you hear anything that makes you double take, email factcheck@thejournal.ie or tweet @TJ_FactCheck and we’ll try to check it out).

Claim: Newer TDs are paid less than longer-serving TDs
Verdict: FALSE

  • Every TD is paid the same TD’s salary, regardless of seniority
  • Longer-serving TDs were once paid more than newer TDs, but that system was abolished in 2011
  • In response to queries by FactCheck, Richard Bruton acknowledged that he was “mistaken” in his claim.

What was said:

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You can see an excerpt from the debate in the video above, watch the entire exchange here, or read the transcript here.

For the purpose of this FactCheck, we’re most interested in these remarks by Bruton:

I think the deputy recognised, in his question there, that this applied right across the public service.
So this isn’t confined to teaching or to any particular area – indeed, it applies here in the House, where newer deputies are on a lower pay than long-standing deputies.

The Facts

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We asked the Department of Education for evidence to support the Minister’s claim, but nobody was available to give a substantive response.

After conducting the research for this FactCheck, we contacted the department again. In response, a spokesperson for Minister Bruton said he acknowledged his claim was “mistaken”.

A spokesperson for the Houses of the Oireachtas, which administers TDs’ salaries, confirmed for FactCheck that every TD gets paid the exact same TD’s salary:

The same salary, regardless of the length of service, is paid to all TDs from the date of the election – subject to the TD signing the Roll of Members of Dáil Éireann within 30 days of the election.

The annual salary for a TD is €87,258 before tax, which they are paid on a monthly basis.

Of course, certain TDs are paid more in their capacity as Ministers, Ministers of State, and office-holders like Ceann Comhairle and Leas Ceann Comhairle (full details here).

But those additional allowances are not determined by their duration of tenure as a TD.

Long Service Increment

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What Bruton was referring to in the Dáil was a provision called the Long Service Increment (LSI). His mistake was in the fact that the LSI was abolished before the start of the 31st Dáil, in March 2011.

Under that arrangement, TDs serving for between seven and 10 years got an annual increment of €2,878 on top of the then basic pre-tax TD’s salary of €92,672.

Deputies serving for 10 or more years got an extra €5,752.

The bonus was even bigger back in 2008, when senior TDs got either €3,198 or €6,391 on top of the then salary of €100,191.

So, for example, a TD with more than 10 years service in 2008, who is still in the Dáil today, is earning €19,324 (18%) less than they did eight years ago.

This changed, as the Department of Public Expenditure, which sets TDs salaries and allowances, confirmed to FactCheck, in the emergency Budget of April 2009.

Then Finance Minister, the late Brian Lenihan, announced that the LSI would be abolished for TDs who had not, at that point, reached seven or 10 years’ in office.

But deputies who had reached that level of seniority in 2009 continued to receive the increment until the next Dáil, in 2011, when it was abolished entirely.

Notably, while public servants such as teachers and gardaí are advocating that starting salaries be brought upwards, the pay equalisation that occurred when the LSI for TDs was abolished, involved higher salaries being brought down to the level of starting salaries.

Conclusion

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Yes, newly-elected TDs were once paid less than their longer-serving colleagues. But not currently, and not since five years and two Dáils ago.

Richard Bruton’s claim is therefore FALSE.

FactCheck asked his department whether he would be clarifying, modifying or retracting the claim, and a spokesperson for the Minister told us, in response:

It has recently come to the Minister’s attention that he was mistaken in these comments and as such he is happy to clarify them.
His error was based on a mistaken understanding of the changes which came into effect in 2009 and the further changes which came into effect in 2011

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:14 AM

    Shut the door on the way out Lieo ..

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:48 PM

    @Willy Mc Entire: Leo gets my vote. Especially now.

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    Mute The Quare Fella
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:57 PM

    @Willy Mc Entire:
    Beat Leo?
    A pair of plain socks should do it

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    Mute Punters Pal
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 5:54 PM

    @Rúraíocht: The country is in bits and you want to vote for Leo …clueless .

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    Mute Bennett blaster
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 8:53 PM

    @Rúraíocht: For no other reason than Casey running in his area? People like you keep Ireland where it is.

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    Mute Wiggy Wigsters Fitness
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:33 AM

    Go for it peter bye bye Leo

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    Mute eoin carroll
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:18 AM

    I thought Leo was running in Carlow kilkenny he has so many posters up around the place

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    Mute Spartacus Ireland
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:19 AM

    @eoin carroll: Same in midlands…Leo is EVERYWHERE!!!

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    Mute Sean Davies
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:28 AM

    @eoin carroll: nah, pretty sure he is running in Dundalk. He’s everywhere down here!

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    Mute Bunny Johnson
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:03 PM

    @Spartacus Ireland: Same in Mayo. Near knock there were 14 Leo’s and only 2 for the local TD. He loves himself.

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    Mute John O'Hara
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 3:47 PM

    @eoin carroll: I’m guessing that tacric was decided when Leo was 51% in the popularity stakes, not that he’s in the low 30′s, Im sure there are some very red faces… Couldn’t have happened to a more scurrilous lot…. FG & FF are all self interest, no public interest. Derail the gravy train….

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    Mute Tricia G
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:13 AM

    I hope he get’s absolutely HAMMERED!

    I hope everyone voting gives EVERYONE ELSE a vote except him so he doesn’t even get 4th, 5th or 6th preference votes.

    His disgusting populist spiel should be sent packing!

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    Mute Shazam37
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:26 AM

    @Tricia G: He is gross alright. That being said I loath Varadkar and would love to see him lose his seat.

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    Mute Andrew Dillon
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:40 AM

    @Tricia G: any one who would vote for Casey would never have voted for Veradker anyway. Pointless really. More populist grandstanding.

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    Mute Gowon Geter
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:03 AM

    @Tricia G: Its not nice to says those things about Leo

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:15 AM

    @Tricia G: what’s your biggest problem with him

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:17 AM

    @Tricia G: However,he is a very clever guy. He definitely has a constituency in that constituency. Add to that the anti Leo vote, and he is very likely to get in. That’s his retirement sorted.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:31 AM

    @Andrew Dillon: If anything it will probably take away from the Sinn Féin vote

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    Mute Tricia G
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:42 AM

    @aidan mccormack: He says whatever “controversial” thing he believes will get him attention.

    His stance will target some minority group. He’ll seek to stir up hatred about refugees and immigrants.

    Sure it worked for him in the Presidential election, why would he abandoned the one thing he knows will get him attention.

    Stir up animosity with people that think they’re suffering because of refugees and not people like Peter Casey who hasn’t paid Income Tax in Ireland for years (I assume that’ changed but I can’t find any confirmation).

    He’s an attention seeking populist who uses dog whistles to stir up fear in the hope it will get him votes.

    He’s a populist hack!

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:56 AM

    @Tricia G: eat youre porridge .at least he speaks the truth.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:19 PM

    @Brian Carroll: your right. All it’ll do is split the opposition vote.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:27 PM

    @Tricia G: when did he ever say anything about refugees and immigrants?

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:38 PM
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:45 PM

    @Andrew Dillon: more likely to split the Sinn Fein working class vote than anything

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:49 PM

    @Tadhg O’shaughnessy: you can’t handle the truth

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:54 PM

    @Tadhg O’shaughnessy: well that’s exactly the thing about populism isn’t it… people like you will have nothing actually constructive to say except one line retorts like ‘at least he speaks the truth’. As said by a fictional character but rings so true … ‘some people just want to see the world burn’.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:23 PM

    @Tricia G: he got alot of votes because people agreed with him

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 5:23 PM

    @Feardorcha Ó Maolomhnaigh:

    “clever” lol, it’s one of the easiest ways to get attention by spouting hateful rhetoric. Nothing clever about it. It’s pretty common in young teenagers.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:23 AM

    Great news, bye bye Lieo

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:54 AM

    He won’t get my vote especially after he kept the beaches open on Amity Island when he knew there was a shark in the water

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:59 AM

    @Gerard Flood: Thank you! That has been bugging me since the Presidential election. “where did i see him before?”

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 3:03 PM

    @Gerard Flood: Brilliant!

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    Mute John fitzpatrick
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:03 AM

    Top man Peter
    Pity you’re not in my constituency
    Get my vote in a heartbeat
    Just to F up the others

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:17 AM

    Go for it Peter

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:15 AM

    In the words of Fr Jack, “that gobs***e again”.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:18 AM

    @Lurfic: Actually looking at the article photo I thought it was a Fr. Ted article :-)…that picture reminded me of someone :-)

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:25 AM

    My 8 year-old niece can come up with a more comprehensive political and economic strategy than Peter Casey, at least he’ll give us a laugh though.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:27 AM

    @BillyCroft: you could make that claim about Varadkar too.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:51 AM

    All of the previous governments have failed. Would SF do any better?
    No.

    More than likely they would do worse.

    Vote Casey 1.
    The only real alternative to more of the same.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:34 AM

    @tom pepper: you’re obviously a man who slept since the turn of the millennium. In fact you must have been in a coma for the past four years. But then again if not all I can say is keep on dreaming

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:05 PM

    @mot leave: I’m not dreaming,
    but you sir are on cloud cookoo land if you think voting SF in to power will make any difference to this country. It would be more of the same. Just different sheep to follow.
    In reality there there is no viable alternative with credible solutions to the running of this state.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 3:44 PM

    @tom pepper: Sinn Fein have never been in power in the south how can you say they will be more of the same, just look at what Pearse Doherty has been able to achiev, I would love to seem have more power and see what good he can do.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 5:20 PM

    @tom pepper: only a bigot with an underdeveloped brain would vote for him.

    What political experience does Peter casey have? What are his values? What does he stand for?
    Nothing but division and hate. Anyone who thinks our country would benefit in any way by attacking groups of people and stirring up controversy is, at best, ignorantly deluded, although I would be seriously questioning their motives, wondering if they’re just in it for social unrest and upheaval for the sake of it.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:17 AM

    Prepare for mass triggering event

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    Mute Spartacus Ireland
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:16 AM

    I think people should vote based on policy…if I was in that constituency Leo would be far down the pecking order long before Casey entered the race

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:31 AM

    We have a situation where the Irish are continually put last by their own government and sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. Open borders policies drive up demand in the housing market and make accomodation more expensive for everyone involved. It only benefits wealthy landlords and politicians, but most people are afraid to say it because they know they’ll be smeared and attacked by the elitist media if they do.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:44 PM

    @Stef123: yet another knuckledragger.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 4:10 PM

    @Fergus Lynch: you just made his point

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 5:30 PM

    @Stef123: stop trying to justify your bigotry, you’re only fooling yourself.
    The vast majority of irish people are not xenophobic, despite what you see in this comment section.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:26 AM

    O no, not this self-publcity egotist again. Does he not have a friend who could tell him.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:29 PM

    @Bramley Hawthorne: you’re right, Leo is a real egotist.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:05 AM

    Fair play Peter, pity you are not in my constituency .. hope you get enough votes to topple the arrogant little man that is Leo.

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    Mute S.Inging
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:27 AM

    The country could do with successful business people serving its people, not unqualified, unexperienced, family-line recruits.

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    Mute Irish Snowden
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:51 PM

    Everyone else but Leo.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:23 AM

    I wonder is he standing for the Personal vanity project independent coalition, Irexit freedom UK boot lickers or Monster raving loony party. I hope he wastes a lot of his money on this so it will sting all the more.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:54 AM

    1.8 million euro on spin

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    Mute Ger O'Reilly
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:42 AM

    FF & FG two sides of the same coin
    Don’t be fooled by vague promises. A vote For FF or FG is a vote to increase your pension to 68. Don’t let them get away with it

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    Mute Chris Mc
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:32 AM

    All this does is split the anti government vote even more. At least we’ll get to see how strong the anti traveller and racist vote is in Leo’s back garden

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    Mute JustJack
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:20 AM

    Expect the shrill of the dog whistle as he attempts to emulate the demagoguery of the US and UK.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:42 AM

    Vote number 1 of your choice only. Stop the carry over of preferences.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:39 PM

    Wish I was in this constituency to vote for the disruptor in chief Casey

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:18 PM

    “The Taoiseach is also expected to file his papers to stand in the Dublin West constituency this morning.”
    He hasn’t done this already ???? His mugshot is on every lamp post in the country and he hasn’t even filed papers to stand in the election??!!

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:53 AM

    I predict a wipe out of fg and maybe ff to..

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:07 PM

    My vote is too precious to be wasted on this guy’s vanity project… No policies, no ideas, just nasty populism appealing to the lowest of the low.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:11 AM

    All he’s going to do is take votes away from people who are standing against Varadkar
    He must be looking for a gov contract

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:17 AM

    Dem election posters boil my P
    All just want to keep their greedy heads in the Kildare St trough

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 4:01 PM

    Casey will put Leo out. To enjoy his pensions. Good news for D15. Many migrants and house breaks ins

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:06 AM

    Send in the clowns…
    ….They’re already here!

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:38 AM

    By voting casey you probably do Varadkar a favour in numbers

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:29 AM
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:52 AM

    @Ahjaysis: and Leo isn’t?

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 10:56 AM

    @The Blue Dot Observer: Can they not both be clowns??

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 5:23 PM

    COME ON CASEY, sock it to him, time for the Ordinary Man to have his say.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 8:35 PM

    @Eugene Comaskey: run yourself if you think the mythical ordinary man is not represented.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 9:12 PM

    @DJ François: No need, Casey will do me fine, he talks our language, talks straight Countryman’s language, a Man that knows what it takes.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 9:15 PM

    @Eugene Comaskey: Casey says He will not even canvass in Dublin West, but watch how many votes he will receive . You will all be surprised.

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    Mute John Mulligan
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:53 PM

    A foul individual whose only policy platform is hatred and dissent. Hopefully he wont find too many like-minded people in that constituency.

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    Mute Maurice Frazer
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:38 PM

    Just remembered the lies P C stated in the Press about The Stardust families http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/1028/1007202-politics/

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    Mute Joseph Molloy
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 2:33 PM

    Another gobsh++e enters race…

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    Mute John Mulligan
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 1:50 PM

    Pity he didn’t stand in mayo. Saoirse McHugh would put manners on him.

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    Mute Pádraíg O'hEidhin
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 12:54 PM

    Peter really wants that pension.

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 11:37 AM

    Stunt, FG voters wont vote for Casey

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 2:45 PM

    Looser.. but that’s what hes looking for, to distort the electorate, bring out hate and division, then swan off feeling great. Somethings wrong!!

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    Jan 22nd 2020, 3:02 PM

    This fooking headbanger again!!!!

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    Mute Pat Casey
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 4:11 PM

    All Leo’s mistakes and its all because of immigrants and travellers. Casey is a plank.

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    Mute Rei
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    Jan 22nd 2020, 5:24 PM

    This gobsh*te again… Can’t wait to not vote for him.

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