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PAY RATES FOR new public servants have been a cause of simmering unrest and controversy in recent years.
Before the Dáil adjourned for the summer, Fianna Fáil TD Jackie Cahill raised the issue of low starting salaries for new primary school teachers, in comparison with their longer-serving colleagues.
During his response, Education Minister Richard Bruton said “newer [TDs] are on a lower pay than long-standing [TDs].”
Is that really the case?
One of our Twitter followers tweeted @TJ_FactCheck about this claim, so we faithfully looked into it.
(Remember, if you hear anything that makes you double take, email factcheck@thejournal.ie or tweet @TJ_FactCheck and we’ll try to check it out).
Claim: Newer TDs are paid less than longer-serving TDs Verdict: FALSE
Every TD is paid the same TD’s salary, regardless of seniority
Longer-serving TDs were once paid more than newer TDs, but that system was abolished in 2011
In response to queries by FactCheck, Richard Bruton acknowledged that he was “mistaken” in his claim.
You can see an excerpt from the debate in the video above, watch the entire exchange here, or read the transcript here.
For the purpose of this FactCheck, we’re most interested in these remarks by Bruton:
I think the deputy recognised, in his question there, that this applied right across the public service.
So this isn’t confined to teaching or to any particular area – indeed, it applies here in the House, where newer deputies are on a lower pay than long-standing deputies.
The Facts
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We asked the Department of Education for evidence to support the Minister’s claim, but nobody was available to give a substantive response.
After conducting the research for this FactCheck, we contacted the department again. In response, a spokesperson for Minister Bruton said he acknowledged his claim was “mistaken”.
A spokesperson for the Houses of the Oireachtas, which administers TDs’ salaries, confirmed for FactCheck that every TD gets paid the exact same TD’s salary:
The same salary, regardless of the length of service, is paid to all TDs from the date of the election – subject to the TD signing the Roll of Members of Dáil Éireann within 30 days of the election.
The annual salary for a TD is €87,258 before tax, which they are paid on a monthly basis.
Of course, certain TDs are paid more in their capacity as Ministers, Ministers of State, and office-holders like Ceann Comhairle and Leas Ceann Comhairle (full details here).
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But those additional allowances are not determined by their duration of tenure as a TD.
Long Service Increment
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Department of Public Expenditure and Reform
What Bruton was referring to in the Dáil was a provision called the Long Service Increment (LSI). His mistake was in the fact that the LSI was abolished before the start of the 31st Dáil, in March 2011.
Under that arrangement, TDs serving for between seven and 10 years got an annual increment of €2,878 on top of the then basic pre-tax TD’s salary of €92,672.
Deputies serving for 10 or more years got an extra €5,752.
The bonus was even bigger back in 2008, when senior TDs got either €3,198 or €6,391 on top of the then salary of €100,191.
So, for example, a TD with more than 10 years service in 2008, who is still in the Dáil today, is earning €19,324 (18%) less than they did eight years ago.
This changed, as the Department of Public Expenditure, which sets TDs salaries and allowances, confirmed to FactCheck, in the emergency Budget of April 2009.
Then Finance Minister, the late Brian Lenihan, announced that the LSI would be abolished for TDs who had not, at that point, reached seven or 10 years’ in office.
But deputies who had reached that level of seniority in 2009 continued to receive the increment until the next Dáil, in 2011, when it was abolished entirely.
Notably, while public servants such as teachers and gardaí are advocating that starting salaries be brought upwards, the pay equalisation that occurred when the LSI for TDs was abolished, involved higher salaries being brought down to the level of starting salaries.
Conclusion
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Yes, newly-elected TDs were once paid less than their longer-serving colleagues. But not currently, and not since five years and two Dáils ago.
Richard Bruton’s claim is therefore FALSE.
FactCheck asked his department whether he would be clarifying, modifying or retracting the claim, and a spokesperson for the Minister told us, in response:
It has recently come to the Minister’s attention that he was mistaken in these comments and as such he is happy to clarify them.
His error was based on a mistaken understanding of the changes which came into effect in 2009 and the further changes which came into effect in 2011
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@eoin carroll: I’m guessing that tacric was decided when Leo was 51% in the popularity stakes, not that he’s in the low 30′s, Im sure there are some very red faces… Couldn’t have happened to a more scurrilous lot…. FG & FF are all self interest, no public interest. Derail the gravy train….
@Tricia G: However,he is a very clever guy. He definitely has a constituency in that constituency. Add to that the anti Leo vote, and he is very likely to get in. That’s his retirement sorted.
@aidan mccormack: He says whatever “controversial” thing he believes will get him attention.
His stance will target some minority group. He’ll seek to stir up hatred about refugees and immigrants.
Sure it worked for him in the Presidential election, why would he abandoned the one thing he knows will get him attention.
Stir up animosity with people that think they’re suffering because of refugees and not people like Peter Casey who hasn’t paid Income Tax in Ireland for years (I assume that’ changed but I can’t find any confirmation).
He’s an attention seeking populist who uses dog whistles to stir up fear in the hope it will get him votes.
@Tadhg O’shaughnessy: well that’s exactly the thing about populism isn’t it… people like you will have nothing actually constructive to say except one line retorts like ‘at least he speaks the truth’. As said by a fictional character but rings so true … ‘some people just want to see the world burn’.
“clever” lol, it’s one of the easiest ways to get attention by spouting hateful rhetoric. Nothing clever about it. It’s pretty common in young teenagers.
@tom pepper: you’re obviously a man who slept since the turn of the millennium. In fact you must have been in a coma for the past four years. But then again if not all I can say is keep on dreaming
@mot leave: I’m not dreaming,
but you sir are on cloud cookoo land if you think voting SF in to power will make any difference to this country. It would be more of the same. Just different sheep to follow.
In reality there there is no viable alternative with credible solutions to the running of this state.
@tom pepper: Sinn Fein have never been in power in the south how can you say they will be more of the same, just look at what Pearse Doherty has been able to achiev, I would love to seem have more power and see what good he can do.
@tom pepper: only a bigot with an underdeveloped brain would vote for him.
What political experience does Peter casey have? What are his values? What does he stand for?
Nothing but division and hate. Anyone who thinks our country would benefit in any way by attacking groups of people and stirring up controversy is, at best, ignorantly deluded, although I would be seriously questioning their motives, wondering if they’re just in it for social unrest and upheaval for the sake of it.
We have a situation where the Irish are continually put last by their own government and sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. Open borders policies drive up demand in the housing market and make accomodation more expensive for everyone involved. It only benefits wealthy landlords and politicians, but most people are afraid to say it because they know they’ll be smeared and attacked by the elitist media if they do.
@Stef123: stop trying to justify your bigotry, you’re only fooling yourself.
The vast majority of irish people are not xenophobic, despite what you see in this comment section.
I wonder is he standing for the Personal vanity project independent coalition, Irexit freedom UK boot lickers or Monster raving loony party. I hope he wastes a lot of his money on this so it will sting all the more.
FF & FG two sides of the same coin
Don’t be fooled by vague promises. A vote For FF or FG is a vote to increase your pension to 68. Don’t let them get away with it
All this does is split the anti government vote even more. At least we’ll get to see how strong the anti traveller and racist vote is in Leo’s back garden
“The Taoiseach is also expected to file his papers to stand in the Dublin West constituency this morning.”
He hasn’t done this already ???? His mugshot is on every lamp post in the country and he hasn’t even filed papers to stand in the election??!!
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