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St James' Hospital is one of the non-compliant agencies. Julien Behal/PA

Five hospitals and charities still not compliant with pay policy

27 agencies have also put forward cases to keep their allowances, the HSE said this evening.

THE HSE HAS said today that there are still five agencies deemed non-compliant with public pay policy and it has warned them they will be sanctioned.

In a statement this evening, the HSE said they were deemed non-compliant as they have not put forward a case to keep the top-up payments.

The five agencies are the Brothers of charity South, the Brothers of Charity South East, St James’ Hospital, St Vincent’s University Hospital and St John of Gods.

The HSE has written to these agencies warning them that they funding will be reduced by 20 per cent from 21 February as a sanction, until they provide the necessary proof of compliance or a business case.

“It is important to note that this reduction in cash funding is not a budget cut and therefore should, under no circumstances, impact on the provision of services to patients or clients,” it said.

Compliance

Following a request from the HSE in December that all Section 38 agencies confirm compliance with its guidelines, all agencies had been asked to put forward their case for keeping top-ups by Monday of this week.

In some cases allowances have been ceased and ten agencies out of the total 43 are deemed compliant, according to the latest update.

The HSE has received 88 business cases from 27 agencies on why they should be able to retain the allowances paid to staff.

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An internal review panel of senior management of the Health Services Leadership Team has been appointed to examine each business case on its own merits.

“Where the review panel is satisfied that there are legitimate reasons for the continuation of an allowance, business cases will be submitted to the Department of Health which will liaise as appropriate with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform prior to the consideration of any allowance in line with public pay policy,” the HSE said in a statement this evening.

Temple Street Children’s hospital, Our Lady’s Hospice and the Rotunda maternity hospital have put forward the largest number of business cases.

The Central Remedial Clinic was put in a separate category on its own for agencies “engaged in a different process”.

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    Mute Angrier Physio
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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:16 PM

    Are business plans just justifications for top ups???? Seems to me these agencies are only justifying why their over paid management need their top ups. Fat cats need culling!

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    Mute Sean Pol O Coileain
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    Feb 14th 2014, 8:05 PM

    The H.S.E. are clearly experts concerning 1.Overpaid salaries. 2.Undeserved top-ups 3.Fat-Cat Allowances at the tax-payers expense.

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    Mute Amanda
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    Feb 14th 2014, 9:11 PM

    and the governments plan to turn the public against all charities to gain favor for cutting funding for them is well underway…….. i feel for the service users of these charities, they’re the ultimately the ones losing out most here.

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    Mute Dermot O Dwyer
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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:18 PM

    Sanctioned or sectioned???

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    Mute Tony
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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:06 PM

    What will the sanctions be, I wonder?

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    Mute Dub157
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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:08 PM

    “The HSE has written to these agencies warning them that they funding will be reduced from 21 February as a sanction”

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    Mute steve white
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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:09 PM

    retirement packaages

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    Mute Dub157
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    Feb 14th 2014, 7:09 PM

    EDIT: “The HSE has written to these agencies warning them that they funding will be reduced by 20 per cent from 21 February as a sanction”

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    Mute Tony
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    Feb 14th 2014, 9:12 PM

    Yes they have threatened them with this sanction but will it actually happen?

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    Mute Drew Clarke
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    Feb 15th 2014, 12:11 AM

    Personally I avoid major charities. But I stopped supporting them years ago and long before the recent revelations.
    I wa giving Concern a tenner a month via standing order or Direct debit for 5 years. I got annoyed at the amount of junk mail I was getting as it was both relentless, high quality paper and begging letters, and I also felt I was paying for it. It eventually pissed me off so much that I rang them and told them very politely to take me off the postage list.

    This was about 15 years ago. Yet, week in week out the letters would still arrive in and I was struggling to feed myself and live from day to day. So I emailed them and asked them for a second time not to send me on any ‘literature’. Of course, the next week out it came again, and the week after, and the week and month after – like clockwork.

    Months later I was walking through Cork city and a very pleasant young lad stopped me coming out of a second hand shop, I was selling stuff I didn’t need to make ends meet and pay a few bills. He aid he was with Concern and do I want to sign up. I told him my issue and he said it shouldn’t have happened and he’d look into it and make sure I’d get no more junk mail.

    Of course, next week, same thing. Eventually I rang them and spoke to a nice woman and told her I’d had enough and can you please take me off the mailing list. She said yes, no problem. Next week and for months after, while I can’t afford a fcuking slice pan, Concern were still sending me junk mail.

    Now, any reasonable adult person IMO should not give them a penny. Not a fcuking red cent.

    Eventually I saw sense and cancelled the tenner a month and gave it to a local home run animal welfare charity in Clonakilty that gave me my best friend (he passed away last September of natural causes) at 14 years old. At least I know the money will be spent on dog food instead of fcuking envelopes and shit.

    Shame on you concern. You’e a fcuking farce.

    Let someone from Concern come on here and reply.

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    Mute Driv ElMachine
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    Feb 15th 2014, 1:07 AM

    The cost of postage and printing is nominal when compared to the amount of money that a charity receives from keeping donors informed and reminding them of their causes, agendas and constant need for investment.
    Charities that reduce their efforts in communication reduce their income. Email is something that every charity strive to move people over too, but unfortunately in Ireland, not everyone has access yet. And for some campaigns, a mail out is simply more effective. Telephone calls are also used to keep people updated and to request donations.
    It’s a pity that you were sent mail that you didn’t want, but clerical errors do happen and most charities are under resourced and understaffed in some way.

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    Mute Nigel O Keeffe
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    Feb 15th 2014, 1:55 AM

    After careful consideration I have decided that any “charity” that has a CEO..on in excess of 120k..doesent need my help..staying local in future..anyone reads this..please do the same!

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    Mute Driv ElMachine
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    Feb 15th 2014, 1:58 AM

    Even if the charity with a CEO earning more than €120k is outperforming the one with the CEO that earns less?

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    Mute Drew Clarke
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    Feb 15th 2014, 2:31 AM

    They’re still sending me junk mail to my parents house despite the fact I haven’t been living there in 15 years.

    Give me a CEO that’ll sort that out. A basic, a most basic, of standards.

    No Driv. Your issue should be with the CEO, not me or anyone else.

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    Mute Driv ElMachine
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    Feb 15th 2014, 2:44 AM

    Concern’s main agenda isn’t about having 100% perfect administration. It’s about giving people basic things like clean water. Imagine having to choose between giving your baby no water at all to drink, or taking your chances and giving them dirty water from a pond, because that’s all that is available to you – knowing that 1/3 of the babies born in your country don’t make it to the age of five.
    I don’t know why they won’t remove you from their mailing list, it certainly sounds very strange – but try to have a little bit of perspective.

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    Mute Mad Taoiseach
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    Feb 15th 2014, 9:34 AM

    I give nothing to Concern since the Alec Tarbert episode some years back.

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    Mute Driv ElMachine
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    Feb 15th 2014, 11:32 PM

    Who’s Alec Tarbert – what happened?

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    Mute dominic
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    Feb 15th 2014, 7:49 AM

    Could it be that the HSE now recognises the true worth of the dedicated frontline carers who are vital to the health and well being of the disabled members of our communities?

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    Mute Michael G O'Reilly
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    Feb 15th 2014, 10:46 AM

    Do I not recollect a certain minister saying he would cut off funding from any institution that was not in line with pay policy by a certain date …..perhaps I misheard !!!!?!?!?

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    Mute Anne Marie Darby
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    Feb 15th 2014, 5:07 PM

    And what about the services the provide and the people they help ?

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    Mute Joe Behan
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    Feb 16th 2014, 11:14 AM

    Disgraceful how the lower paid H.S.E workers were crucified by croke park/ Haddington rd while our greedy Bosses rewarded themselves with extra payments remind you of anyone .Our Bosses in the H.S.E mirror our Politicians.Both should be taken to task for dereliction of their patriotic duties and close behind them should be the Union bosses that pretend to represent Worker’s

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    Mute John Scott
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    Feb 15th 2014, 11:18 AM

    is the director of nursing in ST vincents still getting her top up. Was down there the other night 2.50e an hr or part of to park there. wonder where all that money goes??

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    Mute Eimear Shields
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    Feb 15th 2014, 9:44 PM

    I for one hope it’s an empty threat Cutting funding by 20% for any length of time would cripple the quality of life of the people receiving care from these services. Why the hell shud they suffer anymore for other peoples greed. The people responsible for providing the details wanted should be takin to task

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